From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #336 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 20 2000 Volume 09 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: new Robyn shows online [Ben ] Re: grandma [JH3 ] Re: grandma (0% Les Cahiers du Cinema content) [Eb ] Re: Americans!! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:39:47 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: new Robyn shows online > Thanks to the fegBand Critical Fish, the two recent Robyn/Grant shows from > Iota, in Virginia, are online. Nive one! Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:51:39 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: grandma >Change the sample sentence to something similar, if you like. "I bought >eggs, cereal and spaghetti sauce, then checked into a sanitarium." I just >can't warm to adding another comma after "cereal" -- I think it makes the >sentence much harder to read. But obviously, some style guides disagree. Indeedy. Please don't get the idea that I'm a stickler for style guides, since nothing could be further from the truth, but a better example of what Drew and I are both (I think) talking about would be this: "Jules, Jim, and Simone went to the sanitarium to try the Cheerios 'n' fried eggs marinara." If you leave out the comma between the last two names, it's like you're telling Jules that Jim and Simone went to the sanitarium without him! Nobody wants that, because then Jules would feel really left out, and he'd probably develop some serious personality problems. And who knows what he'd end up having for dinner? Probably a can of Heinz baked beans! *Ugh!* And yeah, sure, it's a worthless topic, but we *could* be talking about the recount. JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:42:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: grandma (0% Les Cahiers du Cinema content) >"Jules, Jim, and Simone >went to the sanitarium to try the Cheerios 'n' fried eggs marinara." If you >leave out the comma between the last two names, it's like you're telling >Jules that Jim and Simone went to the sanitarium without him! Wellllllll...such an ambiguity would only be possible if the sentence was enclosed in quotes.... But change "Cheerios" to "Cheetos," and it's a whole new ballgame! Let's try another round. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:24:12 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: comma chameleon >But, see, the comma I leave in is the one after "cereal," because that's >the penultimate item in the series. I'd omit the one after "sauce" for >sure. A lot of people insist that it should be "I bought eggs, >cereal and spaghetti sauce." I just can't warm to that. Sorry Eb, but unless someone has made a sauce that tastes of cereal and spaghetti, it looks dumb without the comma. When you say the sentence you add a brief pause after cereal, so there should be a comma there. James ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:50:20 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: r e s p e c t From: BLATZMAN@aol.com >Respect was short and sweet. Emotionally powerful yet quirky. It's >strangeness, to me, is very organic. I'll begin by reiterating that I really like the record. I'm even starting to warm to _Queen Elvis_ at last. But _Respect_'s biggest flaw to me is that it feels like a jumble, like maybe 3 EPs shuffled together. There's "The Yip Song," "Driving Aloud," and "Wafflehead". There's "Arms of Love," "The Moon Inside," and "When I Was Dead". Then there's "Railway Shoes," "Wreck of the Arthur Lee," "Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom," and "Then You're Dust". Great songs, and when I sort them this way it makes sense, but somehow I have trouble thinking of them as a whole. I also feel that _Respect_ is one of the least organic records Robyn's ever made, but maybe I'm thinking "biological" and you're thinking "natural." I still might disagree with "natural." > Then comes the Moss/Mossy mess. 2 >records for the price of one. Really? I had to buy both separately. > I'd prefer 1 CD with 10 great tunes, and a few >singles for Trilobite b-sides. And multiple versions of one song? >Heliotrope, on Mossy, has wonderful backing vocals that the CD version left >off. And those God-Aweful horns in DeChirico street RUIN that tune on Moss. I'm not a huge horn fan at all, and I could have done without them, but I wouldn't go as far as "RUIN." Maybe he should have swapped the "Heliotrope"s but it's tough to go wrong on that one. I won't argue that _Moss Elixir_ is a better album than _Respect_ -- I love them both and don't feel that way about them -- but I do tend to enjoy it more. It feels spacier, more relaxed, more -- to me, in every sense -- organic. _Respect_ is great but very tightly wound. >AND >PLEASE, what is up with that horrible version of Allright Yeah. Are things >so crappy that he has to take a 2 year old B-Side and release it as a single? I'd never heard it before. How was it better in the original version? > And why the hell bother with a swedish version. Who the hell is going to >listen to that? I did. > You might call Mossy "one for the fans", but the alternate >takes of DeChirico AND Heliotrope were far far superior. And who the hell >still has a record player to play that crap? Why are people so strongly convinced that the turntable is dead? Are they living under a rock? Thanks to DJ culture and silly but charming indie snobbery, the record player is alive and well. Mine doesn't work, but what the hell. >And Devil's Radio was SCREAMING for a real band to play it. I can see that. >Nasa Clapping is so trendy and weak and just >plain BORING. I disagree with all three adjectives. There's nothing remotely trendy about it that I can see. It's neither weak nor boring to my ears. The worst I'd say about it is that the lyrics are stunningly silly, almost awe-inspiringly so. > (and let me stress "for Me" to all the widdle puddies Oh, will you quit with the "widdle puddies" shit? It makes me queasy. >Jewels lacks an emotional punch. Dude..."No, I Don't Remember Guildford." That's all I can say. Even after hearing it on _Storefront_ I'm still blown away. What, you want Robyn to lose a father every record? ><express them without coming off like a flaming asshole. I don't wish he >would shut up>> > >Hey Puddy, I'm perfectly able to express my opinions in the same fluffy way. He doesn't express anything in a fluffy way. He doesn't compromise or sugarcoat. It may be difficult for you to imagine a tone that's neither bigoted nor wishy-washy, but you should trust me that it's possible. I've had some serious flaming arguments with him. The difference is that I respect him in the morning. >From: Eb >Change the sample sentence to something similar, if you like. "I bought >eggs, cereal and spaghetti sauce, then checked into a sanitarium." I just >can't warm to adding another comma after "cereal" -- I think it makes the >sentence much harder to read. But obviously, some style guides disagree. One problem I have with it is that it leads to some weird ambiguities from time to time. In this case, presumably you'd have a hard time finding someone who believed you meant sauce made from cereal and spaghetti, but other cases are not so definite. I'm trying to figure out whether I read the sentence with as long a pause after "cereal" as after "eggs." Both ways seem natural to me. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:06:35 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Americans!! Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Well, I would've almost dropped the "u" (is it a "schwa", or am I making > that up?) and pronounced it "Al-you-mini-'m". It's a schwa all right. Apparently one of the least favourite things about Scottish people reported is that they have this habit of enunciating every consonant; both Rs in 'February' and 'Library', and the Ns in 'mnemonic', 'autumnal' and 'government'. And why not? > PS And have you ever heard Americans pronounce "herbs"? Ilarious! 'a, 'a, 'a! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #336 *******************************