From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #333 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 17 2000 Volume 09 : Number 333 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: u before g ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Americans!! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: [self-aggrandizing] Americans!! [dmw ] Re: and is Chris's paycheck visible from arm's length? [Christopher Gross] Chesnutt's roasting on an open fire... [mrrunion@palmnet.net] No More Puddies! [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Rolling Stone review/SFB [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] [drop the holupk] quick, superficial film note [Eb ] space, thumbs, Chrissie, Commas, and Al (no, not that one) [grutness@surf] Re: quick, superficial film note [Tom Clark ] quick, sub-fugal film note [GSS ] brainfart... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Chrissie/Quick [Eb ] feg fotos [Glen Uber ] Re: quick, superficial film note ["J. Brown" ] decoding MP3's [Bayard ] Re: space, thumbs, Chrissie, Commas, and Al (no, not that one) ["Michael ] Re: space, thumbs, Chrissie, Commas, and Al (no, not that one) [steve ] RE: quick, sub-fugal film note [Larry Tucker ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:47:34 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: u before g "Chris Gillis!" wrote: > > I think if we all had one of these... > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226103897/qid=974349364/sr=1-1/104-9831869-9693545 > > ...on our desks, we'd never have to raise the issue. assuming we all wrote to Chicago style, of course. It's a reasonable style to write to if you haven't got a style guide already. You'll note that Amazon says, "University of Chicago Press offers *a* reliable anchor of accuracy..." (emphasis mine). There is no one true style for the English language. This is not French, after all. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:53:21 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Americans!! Capuchin wrote: > > The british not only say, but also spell the word "aluminium". > > a-loo-MIN-e-um no, it's Al as in "You can call me __" you as not in me mini as in The Italian Job um as in indecision. 'snot as amusing as the way you folks pronounce 'suggest'. [UK fegs: think of a joke told by Madness's frontman, had he been in the singular.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:09:34 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [self-aggrandizing] Americans!! On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Capuchin wrote: > The british not only say, but also spell the word "aluminium". > > a-loo-MIN-e-um really?? so in XTC's "Towers of London," when Partridge sings "La La LonDINium," is that supposed to be some obscure reference to the metal? - -- d. dept. of self-aggrandizement: it might be of interest to a few fegs (well, bayard anyway) that i'm playing a rare free solo acoustic show tomorrow night, sparky's espresso cafe 1720 14th st nw 9:30 and next wednesday the 22nd i'll play my first New York show ever, holding down the second guitar and b vox slot for lesbian boy junior, who were my favorite latterday purveyors of iggy pop/cramps-style swampstoopid rawk even before i joined up. not all that feggy but they do have a song that goes "i wanna lick your knees." @ meow mix 269 E. Houston St. NY. 10pm, with Hot Honey Magnet. 21+, don't know cover. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:43:10 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: and is Chris's paycheck visible from arm's length? On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Bayard wrote: > > As for the "rule of thumb," we seem to be talking about two > different things > here. Yes, husbands were allowed to beat their > wives (by custom if not by > law); but no, this is NOT the origin of > the phrase "rule of thumb." > > So where does it come from, smart boy? Did Cecil know? As Stewart beat me to saying, from the ancient and honourable practice of using one's thumb as handy (heh) improvised ruler. By extension, it came to mean any rule based on empirical experience instead of theory and not intended to be applied too strictly. (BTW, have those who think "rule of thumb" derived from the size limit on a wife-beater's stick ever offered a theory on *how* the phrase migrated from one meaning to another? Or how a phrase from one apparently obscure law became a fairly widespread colloquialism?) As far as the Great Wall of China is concerned, I could be wrong. When I travel in space I try to spend as little time as possible limited to low-earth orbit. Nibbled by parrots, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:55:44 -0800 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Chesnutt's roasting on an open fire... Hey all, Anyone out there have any live Vic on tape or CDR? I'd be up for a swap. Email me offlist. Thanks, Floriduh Mike np. - Vic live on VARA Radio, Hilversum, Holland, 3/19/94 - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:07:32 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: No More Puddies! <> I've been on this list, I believe, 5 years now. I guess you weren't around way back when, when I gushed and gushed about how much I love the man. I think I did it 4 years ago also... And I guess you haven't been around the last 3 years to hear my biting comments about the last 2 totally shitty Hitchcock studio albums. Ahhh, now do you remember? I am not trying to start anything again, but I don't have anything nice to say about the last 2 CD's, so I try to keep quiet cause it seems some people here can't take hearing anything negative about their hero. PLEASE don't ask why I'm here if I don't like the last 2 CD's.... <> I would like to point out that the VAST majority of written word on this list has NOTHING to do with Robyn. Political and social commentary pop up ALL THE TIME. And the good news for you is that most of the time you agree with the social commentary (it's a wee-tad left leaning). Look at it like this. I would love for this list to have no political and social commentary on it. I find the vast majority of it to be offensive, but I have to put up with it cause I choose to stay here. If I want to pipe in every 6 months after getting fed up with the left wing babble, I will do so. And I'll go on and on as long as I want to. So, the price of being on this list for you is to have to deal with widdle Puddy Tats twice a year. The price of me being on this list is a constant barrage of political and social commentary that I find offensive. I guess you need to be reminded that this list is no more yours than it is mine. So I guess we can both wish and wish and wish that all the people we don't agree with would just shut up. While you're at it, try closing your eyes and tapping your heels together 3 times "there's no place like the Feglist, there's no place like the Feglist, there's no place like the Feglist..." It will transport you to a world where everyone thinks just wike yoooo. Then you can be soooooo happy!!!!!! NO MORE PUDDIES!!!!! Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:07:06 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Rolling Stone review/SFB [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:40:54 -0500 (EST) >To: woj@smoe.org >From: clean_steve_2000 >Subject: Rolling Stone review/SFB [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] > >The new issue of Rolling Stone (top 100 pop singles) has a brief but >glowing review of both Star for Bram and Grant Lee Phillips solo album >in the "On the Edge" section of the album reviews. Check it out. Some >righteous words! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:07:06 -0700 From: Eb Subject: quick, superficial film note I finally saw "Dogma" and "Magnolia" during recent days, and absolutely *adored* both of them. Is Paul Thomas Anderson the answer to the musical question, "What if the Coen brothers had a heart?" ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:35:57 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: space, thumbs, Chrissie, Commas, and Al (no, not that one) >> It is my understanding that the Great Wall is NOT visible from space with >> the naked eye. Remember, huge though the Wall is, most of this >> hugeness is length; it's no more than ten or fifteen meters wide, and you >> simply can't see a 15 m wide object from 200 km away. > >so that's one no, one yes. Or was JH3 joking? I have not had time to >read his post super carefully. I've deleted JH3's post, so I don't know exactly the context of this question, but perhaps someone who Monsieur Runion knows has first-hand experience of looking for China from space. Doesn't he work out at a NASA-related establishment? Then again, Ben might well have answered the question definitively already. >> As for the "rule of thumb," we seem to be talking about two different things >> here. Yes, husbands were allowed to beat their wives (by custom if not by >> law); but no, this is NOT the origin of the phrase "rule of thumb." > >So where does it come from, smart boy? Did Cecil know? well, one we use in vision research is one used by astronomers for a couple of centuries at least: the thickness of the widest part of the thumb, at arm's length, subtends two degrees of visual arc. Probably not the original meaning, mind you... >I remember about 10 or so years ago, Hynde gamely did a cover of 10cc's >"I'm Not in Love" for some film soundtrack. That was the point of no >return, for me. Either that, or her "I Got You Babe" duet with the UB40 >guy. Eek. Her cover of the Byrds' "Goin' Back" was pretty fine, mind you. >>Usability before grammar. Leave the period outside for sure. >>I think the comma will be safe either way. > >Really?? What is "correct," though? Ebbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb? the comma definitely goes outside unless it is part of the material quoted. The above single > reply should read: "...is "correct", though?" >Then again, I also spell "judgement" with two e's, avoid using quotation >marks when referring to letters of the alphabet when I can't figure out >how to use them, begin sentences with conjunctions, and doggedly insist >on retaining the last comma in a series. well judgement is correct unless you're American (although how the hell you're meant to pronounce the word with a hard g eludes me) >So, how do British people pronounce "Aluminum" anyway?? There's no such word as aluminum. Aluminium, however, is pronounced al-oo-MIN-ee-um. It's one of about 65 elements that end in -ium, not one of handful that end -num (all of which are non-metallic). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:35:37 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: quick, superficial film note on 11/16/00 12:07 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > I finally saw "Dogma" and "Magnolia" during recent days, and absolutely > *adored* both of them. Agreed! Knowing as little about the Bible as I do, I still found both to be unique commentaries on Christianity and humanity. Respect the cock! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:38:11 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: quick, sub-fugal film note On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Eb wrote: > I finally saw "Dogma" and "Magnolia" during recent days, and absolutely > *adored* both of them. Have yet to see "Dogma", but watched "Magnolia" the other day and thought it was kick-ass, except for the silly part when they all started singing. The movie would have gotten an A+, instead it got an A, which is better than 99.9939% of all other films. gss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:43:46 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: brainfart... Oops... delete the word 'non-metallic' from my last post. James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:07:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Chrissie/Quick JDignan: >>I remember about 10 or so years ago, Hynde gamely did a cover of 10cc's >>"I'm Not in Love" for some film soundtrack. That was the point of no >>return, for me. Either that, or her "I Got You Babe" duet with the UB40 >>guy. Eek. > >Her cover of the Byrds' "Goin' Back" was pretty fine, mind you. As far as I'm concerned, it's condemnation enough that people keep defending Hynde based on her *cover songs*. I mean, jeez, no one ever said she wasn't a great singer...but as a songwriter/bandleader, she's strictly running on fumes. Oh, and I got a kick out of the "Magnolia" cast singing together. I also think it served the structural purpose of foreshadowing the film's departure from strict "realism," later. Great song, too -- better than "Save Me," the one which got the Oscar nomination. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: feg fotos Crazy Unca' Nick exclaimed > More Fegfotos coming soon. ...honest! I assume there will be shots of you and the RubberShark providing musical entertainment at FegWedding 2000? Of course, even if you don't plan to post any pix of the two of you, curious types out there can find photos and descriptions of the event in the following places: A diary and photo album of the proceedings: http://gracie.santarosa.edu/~alopez Nick's picks: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=2215442603&n=1924208870 Lotsa photos, straight from the Digital Camera of the MusicChef: ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/uberg/weddingpix/ Cheers! - -g- "Ha! Like anyone would deign to drink tap water? I ask you, do you drink tap water? Do you? The only water I drink comes from the supermarket. And it's laced with hops." --Mike Jasper +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: quick, superficial film note On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Eb wrote: > I finally saw "Dogma" and "Magnolia" during recent days, and absolutely > *adored* both of them. I adored Magnolia but i found dogma very so-so. Kevin Smith is just a crappy director great screenplays though. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "Everybody needs your meat, But no one meets your needs" -Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:24:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: decoding MP3's can anyone recommend a program for turning MP3s back into WAVs? i mean, one better than this one, "MPEG Suite": http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1896417-100-915464.html?tag=st.dl.10001-103-1.lst-7-5.td-915464 which is the best one i could find (and free, too). =b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:04:02 -0500 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Re: space, thumbs, Chrissie, Commas, and Al (no, not that one) James Dignan wrote: > I've deleted JH3's post, so I don't know exactly the context of this > question, but perhaps someone who Monsieur Runion knows has first-hand > experience of looking for China from space. Doesn't he work out at a > NASA-related establishment? As resident feg-who-works-at-KSC (Kennedy Space Center...remember, the government LOVES acronyms!), I'd have to say...hmmm. It seems I've heard this before somewhere. I have to say that as of 7:55pm EST, I can't give you a definitive NASA answer here. However, based on 4 years of intensive daily Physics courses during the late 80's (and nightly alcoholic binges), here's my gut feel: without the aid of magnification, I sincerely doubt it's possible to see the Great Wall of China from orbit (or what we tend to think of as a standard orbital distance from the ground). Don't you guys have NASA Select TV where you live? Jeez! Brevard County, Channel 15. All day, all night...if you're the stoner type, you can flip this on at any hour and just watch taped bits of the earth swirling by below the shuttle...they jog the camera this way and that, zoom in on sand dunes in the Sahara, jagged African coastlines, and the like. Very cool and soothing. Our tax dollars WELL spent! It's fun to turn on and see who can guess what land mass is sliding past. Very difficult, I might add, not knowing which way's north, etc. Anyway, I would imagine that if you zoom in a bit and have the sun at the right angle, you might just barely see some snaking line slithering among those Chinese mountain ranges, but other than that, the typical astronaut, floating helplessly away from the shuttle with no thrusters and no lifeline, probably wouldn't be able to see the Great Wall. If he does, he's only growing delusional as his oxygen runs out and his screams begin to weaken. Leaving on that happy note, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:40:07 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: space, thumbs, Chrissie, Commas, and Al (no, not that one) Michael R. Runion: >Don't you guys have NASA Select TV where you live? Whenever a shuttle is up, we get it on the local ISD channel. Much better than than the school lunch menu. Wondering if there are going to be any package tours for the Mir splashdown next year - Steve __________ I9d sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:05:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Americans!! On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Al as in "You can call me __" > you as not in me > mini as in The Italian Job > um as in indecision. Well, I would've almost dropped the "u" (is it a "schwa", or am I making that up?) and pronounced it "Al-you-mini-'m". - - Mike Godwin PS And have you ever heard Americans pronounce "herbs"? Ilarious! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:44:29 -0500 From: Larry Tucker Subject: RE: quick, sub-fugal film note | -----Original Message----- | From: GSS [mailto:gshell@metronet.com] | Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:38 PM | To: fegalia | Subject: quick, sub-fugal film note | | | On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Eb wrote: | > I finally saw "Dogma" and "Magnolia" during recent days, | and absolutely | > *adored* both of them. | | Have yet to see "Dogma", but watched "Magnolia" the other day and | thought it was kick-ass, except for the silly part when they | all started | singing. The movie would have gotten an A+, instead it got an A, which | is better than 99.9939% of all other films. I thought this was rather surreal and was a nice touch. Certainly a surprise as the frogs later. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:24:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: reap-o-rama Russ Conway. Believe me, once you've heard 'Side Saddle' 200 times, your whole perspective on life becomes somehow different ... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #333 *******************************