From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #315 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 7 2000 Volume 09 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Non Robyn/Rufus Wainwright [plpalmer@ix.netcom.com] Re: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing ["Stewart C. Russ] Siouxsie [Tony.Blackman@sita.int] Re: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!! [grutness@surf4nix.com (J] Re: Siouxsie [Ehtyl Ketone ] Re: And you thought I was voting for myself ["Yudt.Matthew" ] Re: Cocksucker Blues [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: Cocksucker Blues [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: Cocksucker Blues ["Noe Shalev" ] Re: Cocksucker Blues ["Noe Shalev" ] Re: Cocksucker Blues [dmw ] Re: And you thought I was voting for myself [Asshole Motherfucker ] last ditch ["Polyandry Now" ] RIP/baritone guitar [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 21:58:30 -0700 From: plpalmer@ix.netcom.com Subject: Non Robyn/Rufus Wainwright Is anyone on this list going to see Rufus Wainwright at Cafe Largo on Wednesday in Los Angeles? I can't go, but I'd lend out my rig to someone who'd be willing to tape the show. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:00:12 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing Terrence Marks wrote: > > Putatively, it was an amplified jug (cf. jugbands). aha -- thanks to all who replied. And sorry for the late reply here -- our mail server was hosed for a while while we sorted out some evil bastard spam relayers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:25:20 +0000 From: Tony.Blackman@sita.int Subject: Siouxsie JH3 said.... > I once saw Siouxsie Sioux attempt to brain some guy in front of > the stage with the base of a mike stand. You know, one of those > stands with the big, heavy iron base at the bottom... She missed > by only 2 inches, and 2 songs later Steve Severin had to be > restrained from jumping out into the audience to have a go at > the same guy. After the show I heard them shouting obscenities > at said guy and his pals as they drove off. I have absolutely no > idea what pissed them off so badly... maybe the fellow wasn't > wearing enough eye makeup? Funnily enough I have seen almost exactly the same thing at a Siouxsie gig back when she'd broken her leg and performed sitting on a stool so she couldn't get the full effect of the mike stand on someone's head. The only difference this time round was that Steve didn't get restrained and made it into the audience to hit a security guy who was being a little rough handed. All this is the normally peaceful surroundings of the theatre in Nottingham. I still laugh at the time I saw The Damned play in a tiny club on the Eas Coast (of the UK) near the town of Cromer. The place was packed and there were cans being thrown at the band all the way through the gig. During the encore, Captain Sensible took off all his clothes save his beret, stood on top of the PA system and used his guitar as a bat while everyone kept throwing cans at him. I also fell into a ditch full of waste from a pea-shelling factory that night, but that's another story. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:37:33 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!! >As to Mike Godwin's political comments. Yup, the Lib Dems are the British >equivalent of Nader. Good guys, but absolutely no hope of forming a >government... here it's "The Alliance" - a group of five parties - the ironically named "New Labour" (which is actually politically speaking Old Labour/Socialist), Liberal (=LibDem/Nader), Social Credit (um....unintelligible except in Canada, where there is a Socred party), Democrat (erm...about 1/10,000% support - never heard of any of their policies), and Mana Motuhake (erm... the nearest equivalents would be Plaid Cymru and the Alaskan Independentists, I suppose...) The Alliance used to include the Greens, who are now a separate party (and are often called upon to support government bills to get them through parliament). The Alliance is the junior coalition partner (the senior partner is Labour (a little to the left of UK New Labour). FWIW. BTW, if you're awaiting a reply from me about anything, apologies for the delays. I've just been able to access email for the first time in a week! (surf4nix NZ got bought out, and in the changeover several addresses were 'lost') Another BTW - are all UK fegs above water at the moment? Mike? I know the Glocs area got pretty badly hit... oh, and RIP George Armstrong (I was in Norf Lunnen in '71... the Gunners were heroes...) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:14:02 -0500 From: Ehtyl Ketone Subject: Re: Siouxsie At 10:25 AM +0000 11/6/00, Tony.Blackman@sita.int wrote: >I still laugh at the time I saw The Damned play in a tiny club on the Eas >Coast (of the UK) near the town of Cromer. The place was packed and there >were cans being thrown at the band all the way through the gig. During the >encore, Captain Sensible took off all his clothes save his beret, stood on >top of the PA system and used his guitar as a bat while everyone kept >throwing cans at him. I also fell into a ditch full of waste from a >pea-shelling factory that night, but that's another story. I was at a "day-on-the-green" in Santa Barbara once for the Dead. This was peak Garcia-Godshaw years. Anyway, the opening act for them was Warren Zevon. He came out and tried, really tried, to entertain a stadium full of deadheads. Of course he got boo-ed off the stage as he screamed at the audience through a mic about what scum, deadheads, drug addict losers they were. He sounded pretty drunk however. Used to see Tom Waits in small clubs in Santa Barbara as well and a few times he couldn't really stand at the mike but performing drunk is a different thing, eh? Be Seeing You. - -- "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** C. J. Galbraith Ketone Press meketone@ix.netcom.com www.bogdescu.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:09:04 -0500 From: "Yudt.Matthew" Subject: Re: And you thought I was voting for myself > But eventually, the resulting > confusion of gender roles might easily have caused them both > to turn to mechanisms such as drugs, alcohol, and fast cars > in a desperate attempt to escape their inner sexual conflicts. > Or fighter planes! > Contrast all this to someone like, say, Robyn Hitchcock, who > often speaks in structurally-sound sentences that go on for > several minutes at a time, with near-constant shifts between > seemingly unrelated concepts and ideas, often of extreme > complexity -- and yet he rarely mispronounces anything. > Please - after such a wonderfully insightful analysis of the Bush's, you leave us empty on The Man who has supposedly brought us together. > Fascinating! > Truly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:08:20 EST From: KCasey@aol.com Subject: Fwd: quail: M-W's Word of the Day Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 05:00:01 -0500 From: word@M-W.COM Subject: quail: M-W's Word of the Day To: MW-WOD@LISTSERV.WEBSTER.M-W.COM *************************************************************** Are you a word sleuth? Then get on the case -- Get on-line and play a word game every day! Click here! http://www.Merriam-Webster.com/game *************************************************************** The Word of the Day for Month 00 is: quail \KWAYL\ (verb) : to lose heart : cower Example sentence: In explaining the valor of the knight-errant, Don Quixote says, "no lions daunt him, no monsters terrify him, no dragons make him quail...." Did you know? "Flinch," "recoil," and "wince" are all synonyms of "quail," but each word has a slightly different use. When you flinch, you fail to endure pain or to face something dangerous or frightening with resolution ("faced her accusers without flinching"). "Recoil" implies a start or movement away from something through shock, fear, or disgust ("recoiled at the suggestion of stealing"). "Wince" usually suggests a slight involuntary physical reaction to something ("winced as the bright light suddenly hit her eyes"). "Quail" implies shrinking and cowering in fear ("quailed before the apparition"). - ---------------- Brought to you by Merriam-Webster Inc. http://www.Merriam-Webster.com - ---------------- Visit http://www.Merriam-Webster.com/service/subinst.htm to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Word of the Day mailing list. To subscribe to the list by email, send a blank email to mw-wod-subscribe-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com. To unsubscribe via email, send a blank email to mw-wod-signoff-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com. If you have questions about your subscription, write to mw-wod-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com. Send other questions or comments about the Word of the Day to word@Merriam-Webster.com. (c) 2000 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:14:37 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: FW: quail: M-W's Word of the Day Offered for your endurement. The Proof is in the Puddin': - -----Original Message----- From: word@M-W.COM [mailto:word@M-W.COM] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:00 AM Subject: quail: M-W's Word of the Day The Word of the Day for Month 00 is: quail \KWAYL\ (verb) : to lose heart : cower Example sentence: In explaining the valor of the knight-errant, Don Quixote says, "no lions daunt him, no monsters terrify him, no dragons make him quail...." Did you know? "Flinch," "recoil," and "wince" are all synonyms of "quail," but each word has a slightly different use. When you flinch, you fail to endure pain or to face something dangerous or frightening with resolution ("faced her accusers without flinching"). "Recoil" implies a start or movement away from something through shock, fear, or disgust ("recoiled at the suggestion of stealing"). "Wince" usually suggests a slight involuntary physical reaction to something ("winced as the bright light suddenly hit her eyes"). "Quail" implies shrinking and cowering in fear ("quailed before the apparition"). - ---------------- Brought to you by Merriam-Webster Inc. http://www.Merriam-Webster.com - ---------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:43:59 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Cocksucker Blues Oh ye fegs of much knowledge, I saw a great band on Friday night and they smoked the joint with a cover of the Stones' "Cocksucker Blues". I remember hearing about this song throughout the years, but I never got the whole back story on it. Did they really submit it to their record company to get out of a contract? And where was it actually released? - -tc p.s. The band was "Dave Gleason & The New Originals". They have kind of a Gram Parsons meets X kind of thing happening. Highly recommended. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:13:03 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Cocksucker Blues Here ya go tom....all the info http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A382967 Steve B At 11:43 AM 11/6/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Oh ye fegs of much knowledge, >I saw a great band on Friday night and they smoked the joint with a cover of >the Stones' "Cocksucker Blues". I remember hearing about this song >throughout the years, but I never got the whole back story on it. Did they >really submit it to their record company to get out of a contract? And >where was it actually released? > >-tc > >p.s. The band was "Dave Gleason & The New Originals". They have kind of a >Gram Parsons meets X kind of thing happening. Highly recommended. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:14:23 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Cocksucker Blues Oops sorry, I guess it doesn't tell the legend behind it, but I take it that it was only available as a bootleg.... Steve B At 11:43 AM 11/6/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Oh ye fegs of much knowledge, >I saw a great band on Friday night and they smoked the joint with a cover of >the Stones' "Cocksucker Blues". I remember hearing about this song >throughout the years, but I never got the whole back story on it. Did they >really submit it to their record company to get out of a contract? And >where was it actually released? > >-tc > >p.s. The band was "Dave Gleason & The New Originals". They have kind of a >Gram Parsons meets X kind of thing happening. Highly recommended. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:58:35 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: Re: Cocksucker Blues > Oh ye fegs of much knowledge, > I saw a great band on Friday night and they smoked the joint with a cover of > the Stones' "Cocksucker Blues". I remember hearing about this song > throughout the years, but I never got the whole back story on it. Did they > really submit it to their record company to get out of a contract? And > where was it actually released? As far as I know it was never released officialy. the record company didn't release it and they got out of the contract. I saw once a bootleg of it, said to be released by one of the technitions suspected to be released by the band itself. all the best NOE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:01:47 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: Re: Cocksucker Blues > > Here ya go tom....all the info > > http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A382967 > well the bootleg I saw wasn't this one. it was a single. but I can't remember what was on the B side. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Cocksucker Blues On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Noe Shalev wrote: > > > Oh ye fegs of much knowledge, > > I saw a great band on Friday night and they smoked the joint with a cover > of > > the Stones' "Cocksucker Blues". I remember hearing about this song > > throughout the years, but I never got the whole back story on it. Did > they > > really submit it to their record company to get out of a contract? And > > where was it actually released? i've seen a 12" white label (promo-style) that claimed to be on "rolling stone" records. it's one of my favorite stones tunes. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:41:02 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: And you thought I was voting for myself >Contrast all this to someone like, say, Robyn Hitchcock, who >often speaks in structurally-sound sentences that go on for >several minutes at a time, with near-constant shifts between >seemingly unrelated concepts and ideas, often of extreme >complexity -- and yet he rarely mispronounces anything. given that he uses tons of "y'know"s, i'm not sure i'd say they're structurally sound. (not slagging him -- who (apart from chomsky) *does* reel off lengthy and detailed interview responses without pauses and/or "y'know"s?) also, there is that weird false start on "political" in Storefront Hitchcock. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:22:10 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: Zero Factor No disrespect intended, but I must admit I've been thinking about Viv's shorts an awful lot lately. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:14:20 PST From: "Polyandry Now" Subject: last ditch in case you're still undecided, here's a cool (and relatively brief) article running in this week's eat the state!. note that the author gives the democrats even more credit than i think they deserve. anyways... Corporate media coverage of the presidential campaign bent over backwards to reinforce the assertion of both parties--epitomized by the anti-Nader Democratic Party push--that there are signficant differences between the two parties. There are, indeed, differences; but they are dwarfed by the similarities. For progressive voters, reproductive rights and diversity were two of the only issues on which Al Gore and the entire Democratic Party ticket in Seattle--Maria Cantwell, Gary Locke, Jim McDermott, and on down the food chain--are better than the Republicans. The Democrats also have a fairer tax plan, and Gore would make somewhat better Cabinet and mid-level administrative appointments. There are a handful of other issues. Meanwhile, here is a non-exhaustive list of over 120 issues on which some, most, or all Democrats and Republicans both sell us out. As we awaken to a future in which one of these two corporatist mediocrities will lead the country for the next four years, now comes the hard part: organizing for political change, both to stem the bad policies of the current regime and to create a viable alternative next time. Ready? Access to abortion, particularly for poor women, rural women, and minors; suppression of RU-486; lack of funding for women's health care issues; corporate-friendly Supreme Court nominees; conservative federal judges; suspended habeas corpus; mandatory sentencing; prison-industrial complex and prison labor; War on Drugs; death penalty; militarization of police; aid to Colombia, Indonesia, Peru, Bolivia, Mexico, Nigeria, Egypt, and Israel; not paying United Nations dues; undermining international law and independent international bodies; expansion of NATO; government-funded arms sales; human rights; support for Third World despots; Iraq sanctions; Cuba sanctions; immigration and border militarization; "humanitarian" military interventions [sic]; military spending; National Missile Defense (Star Wars), and the militarization of space; plutonium in space; nuclear proliferation; nuclear weapon de-alerting; Hanford clean-up; nuclear energy and nuclear waste; 1872 mining law; factory fishing; "salvage" logging and clearcuts; land exchanges; pollution credits, and cutting deals with polluters; weakening of clean air and clean water standards; selling Alaskan oil overseas; auctioning petroleum reserves; drilling in Alaska; global warming and ozone depletion; weak fuel emission standards; biodiversity; bio- engineered foods, forestry products, and farm animals; food irradiation; deregulation of food safety standards; biopiracy (the patenting of life forms); salmon recovery; breaching the Snake River dams; animal rights; free trade, NAFTA, GATT, WTO, the MAI, and fast track authority; preferred trading status with China; imposition of structural adjustment programs; media mega- mergers; the auctioning of publicly owned airwaves to the highest bidder; utility deregulation; airline deregulation; commercialization of culture; corporate control of higher education and research; lack of affordability of higher education; privatization of schools; lack of availability of child care and day care; Internet privacy; tort reform; civil rights; the Equal Rights Amendment; separation of church and state; erosion of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 8th Amendments; FBI and CIA COINTELPRO-type programs; political prisoners; welfare "reform"; dismantling the social welfare state; gender- based wage inequalities; gap between rich and poor; homelessness; federal housing programs; Social Security privatization; campaign finance reform; proportional representation; Third Party ballot and debate access; corporate welfare; corporate crime; corporate tax reform; subsidies for exporting corporations; labor organizing and Taft-Hartley repeal; sweatshops, union- busting, and outsourcing; affirmative action; pushing drugs (e.g., Ritalin) on children; maintaining an expensive, privatizeed health care system; cancer-causing tobacco additives. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:18:19 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: RIP/baritone guitar RIP: L.Sprague de Camp, science fiction/fantasy writer, aged 93 - --- Baritone guitars: recently looking through some old videos, I came across "The four sides of Eric Clapton", at the Royal Albert Hall, circa 1990. I note that what I suspect to be a baritone guitar was being played towards the end of the video by Eric's guitarist (Phil Palmer?) Any confirmation/denial? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #315 *******************************