From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #312 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 09 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: somewhat Robyn related [hbrandt ] RE: band in-fighting [Gene Hopstetter ] Re: AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! ["brian nupp" ] Faust [Marshall Needleman Armintor ] even more nader - hit delete now ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] spooky halloween... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] the new pj harvey ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: even more nader - hit delete now [Terrence Marks ] Faust ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] And you thought I was voting for myself [JH3 ] testin' [Eb ] musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing ["Stewart C. Russell"] Re: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing [Terrence Marks <] RE: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing ["Brian Hoare" ] RIP [Marcy Tanter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:18:06 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: somewhat Robyn related > >Last night at the Village Halloween Parade in New York City, > >I saw a balloon man walking up Sixth Avenue. > And I saw the Grim Reaper right here on my block. At my door, even. He was > about 5 years old, very polite and somewhat shy, and agreed not to take me > away if I gave him an extra Tootsie Roll. > I like Halloween Last night, I saw a guy dressed up as Jesse Custer from PREACHER (w/eye patch and all!) He claimed that I made his Hallowe'en by recognizing him as Jesse instead of a generic collar-boy. (Speaking of comics as I often do, this year my wife's costume was a Bondage Faerie and I went as Neil Gaiman's Sandman.) More comix talk-- Check out Jill Thompson's elegantly crafted comics series SCARY GODMOTHER for some beautiful, inspired Hallowe'en-y artwork and stories (and it's fun for kids if you have 'em): http://lurid.com/jill/index.html /all hallow's hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:22:06 -0600 From: Gene Hopstetter Subject: RE: band in-fighting > From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" > Subject: band in-fighting > A couple of the guys in Thelonious Monster used to beat up on each other pretty bad. The band's singer Bob Forrest and one of their guitarists had it in for each other in a big way. I saw them play in Baton Rouge back in 1988 or so, and in the middle of a song said guitarist cold-cocked Forrest in the face and then they both ended up rolling around on the stage, fists flying, while the band continued to play. One of the craziest things I've ever seen. I have no idea why the fight started, either. But T Monster finished their set. Has anyone ever seen a band jump off stage and attack someone in the audience, or vice versa? I'm sure I have, but I can't remember who it was offhand. Oh yeah, I saw David Yow and Scratch Acid play in New Orleans in 1986. After heckling the audience ruthlessly for quite some time, Yow pulled *something out of the back of his pants* and tossed it at someone at the back of the audience. Things got pretty crazy after that. Yow was most probably drunk, but what he tossed was most probably not a Baby Ruth. Yay, punk rawk. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:38:46 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! >First, imagine me with my hands to my ears, my eyes squinted shut, my >head shaking like that guy from "Jacob's Ladder," and squealing in my >best "Julianne Moore from Magnolia" impression: I know we've touched on this before, but that was before I saw the movie, but I really enjoy Magnolia. Great sound track too! Chris Diffords vocals on "one" rules. I don't think people will be done with discussing politics to this depth, til about a couple weeks after elections. I've come to accept this, although I believe I've developed a bit of artheritis from hitting delete so often. By the way, I really enjoyed That 70's Show last night. I know I'm cheesey like that, but all the Hitchcock references were cool. I'm vice president of sales for a company who mass produced one of their posters, so I have to support the show. Brian Nupp who is looking forward to 2001. Hey, that's the year of the Soft Boys reunion tour! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:41:04 -0600 (CST) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: Faust <> Right now, nobody does...and I don't think they've ever had an American distributor, except for Virgin, and I don't know who was handling their product over here in the 70s. _Faust IV_ seems to be the most widespread one over here, and I'm not sure what their original label for that one is. I bought the first Faust album (the one with the X-ray hand on the cover) earlier this year as a Japanese import from Polydor or Polygram Japan. These guys were pretty sick, even for the time frame...jeez. Vibrant, funny, and very smart. marshall np Coltrane, Village Vanguard, 1961 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:49:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: even more nader - hit delete now > From: steve > Subject: I just can't help myself (NR) > > http://www.tnr.com/politics/cnote/chait103000.html > > http://Slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=10/31/2000&idMessage > =6380 I don't know why you couldn't help yourself. I mean, I must have read ten or so articles in the past week alone saying pretty much _exactly_ what these two are saying. There's no new information here and no new arguments. Just Fear of Bush, repackaged in scarcely varying sentences. No one blames Gore for running an uninspiring at best and horrifying at worst campaign. Everyone blames Nader for being mean enough to look better than Gore. The sense I get is that people view him as an Olympic athlete crashing a high school track meet and competing well below his ability. That's pretty telling. Lately my reason for being undecided is the flip side of my prior reason for being decided. I don't think I buy all the arguments about what voting for Nader might accomplish, and I'm left suspecting that the only reason for me to vote for Nader is to make myself feel good that I picked the best candidate. If I were to vote for Gore, I would feel bad for picking a bad President, but like all of the "pragmatists" I would feel good that I'd contributed to an achievable result. But when I type that out, it doesn't make much sense either. I can write in "Toucan Sam," right? > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0044/goldstein.shtml Same damn arguments. "Settle." > From: The Great Quail > I beg the List for sanity! NO ONE HERE IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE > AT THIS POINT! Not true. > From: Terrence Marks > (liable to vote for Bush in order to increase his victory margin so that > I > don't have to listen to four straight years of Naderite > self-congratulation...) If you favor Bush, why not admit it? It would be more respectable than this rationale. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:58:09 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: band in-fighting On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Gene Hopstetter wrote: > A couple of the guys in Thelonious Monster used to beat up on each other > pretty bad. And the original Thelonious Monk could get pretty mean at times, too. I'll look up anecdotes if anyone is interested. I know he slammed the piano lid down on a player's fingers and stormed out of a concert once, and had undergone a fair amount of therapy. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:59:44 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: spooky halloween... My Wife and My Dead Wife is a happy halloween song. This year, because of my physical displacement from my home, I haven't really had a Halloween. Nobody where I work dressed up, and there was no real celebration. Last night there weren't any trick or treaters where I am staying. I'm helping a friend move and trying to get my work done. It is a very strange thing being where you don't live for long periods of time. I am still somewhat unsuccessful in getting my home networking going, but I'm still trying. I'm looking forward to spending my time in beautiful Bandon, Oregon. It was really nice to hear that Susan was able to use a tootsie-roll to barter for more life from the grim reaper. I will try to remember that, though I imagine that it wouldn't work very well if it has fused to a sweaty pocket. Note to self: one of those big, super-chewy candy bars might keep death at bay longer. Wish you all the best. Feliz dia de los muertos! Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:01:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the new pj harvey Stephen Thompson likes it: http://avclub.theonion.com/reviews/music/music_s/storiesfromthecitystorie01.html I think I disagree with some part of every sentence of that review. I don't hate the new album, but if it were anyone but PJ I probably would be selling it by now. It's _pleasant_. Who ever heard of a pleasant PJ Harvey album? I loved Is This Desire? I think the new album gets better toward the end. "Big Exit" is _not_ an instant classic. "Whores Hustle and the Hustlers Whore" is not "rip-roaring" (especially compared to anything at all from the first three albums), and it's not even the most "bracing, thrilling" song on the _album_, let alone of her career. It's trite and dull. "This Mess We're In" is a pretty good song with some lovely Yorke vocals, yes; "A Place Called Home" and a few of the others aren't bad, but it's astonishing that the critic could possibly find this to be potentially better than her first two albums in particular. "Forgettable bordering on dispiriting" applies a lot more to this material, from my point of view. What do you think? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:02:08 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: even more nader - hit delete now On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > (liable to vote for Bush in order to increase his victory margin so that > > I don't have to listen to four straight years of Naderite > > self-congratulation...) > > If you favor Bush, why not admit it? It would be more respectable > than this rationale. Because I don't think "respectable" and "favor Bush" overlap much on this list. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Canadian Politics (was AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!) On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, The Great Quail wrote: > shut up, shutthefuckup, I beg you, all of you, please shut > up with this humorless exchange of messianic Naderism and > Gore-baiting and Nader-bashing and Bush-smashing pre-election > bullshit!!!!! OK then how about some Canadian political discussion after all ther is an election on November 27th! Some questions: 1. Do Stockwell Day and the Canadian Alliance have any real chance of winning? 2. Will the liberals gain seats in Quebec? 3. will PC leader joe clark win a seat or will his neck over take his whole body? 4. Can the NDP keep its major party status? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:44:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the new pj harvey >"Forgettable bordering on >dispiriting" applies a lot more to this material, from my point of view. > >What do you think? I think it sounds like my first instincts based on her Leno performance were on the money. Eb, who still hasn't heard the thing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:51:24 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Faust Some ReR/Recommended stuff gets distributed in the US by Cuneiform Records in Maryland. I think their website is something fairly obvious. Of course it doesn't follow that Faust will be carried by them, but with these new releases who knows, worth a try.... Cuneiform release Univers Zero and some other interesting avant-prog stuff... jmbc. Good to see Susan back. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:11:52 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: And you thought I was voting for myself Hey, finally I might have a reason to vote for George W. Bush. I just saw some videotape of him saying (earlier today, I think) about the tax reduction issue: "The think tanks in Washington don't think this issue ***resignates*** with the voters, but I don't care if this issue doesn't ***resignate*** with the voters, I believe in doing what's right" ! So, that means that if he wins, we'll have a President who can't even *pronounce* the "R" word! Would that be cool or WHAT? Gene H. writes: >Has anyone ever seen a band jump off stage and attack >someone in the audience, or vice versa? I once saw Siouxsie Sioux attempt to brain some guy in front of the stage with the base of a mike stand. You know, one of those stands with the big, heavy iron base at the bottom... She missed by only 2 inches, and 2 songs later Steve Severin had to be restrained from jumping out into the audience to have a go at the same guy. After the show I heard them shouting obscenities at said guy and his pals as they drove off. I have absolutely no idea what pissed them off so badly... maybe the fellow wasn't wearing enough eye makeup? Of course, when I was in a band, I used to jump off the stage and try to attack audience members all the time. The problem was finding them! John "I hereby resignate the office of Pepsodent" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:59:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: testin' Gosh...setting up the new account was *much* easier than I expected.... Even got the website transferred to Earthlinkland, already. Eb http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:08:30 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing Anyone know what the name of the instrument is that gave the Elevators their distinctive sound? To me, it sounds like a musical flat tire. The only slightly odd instrument that is listed in the credits is a jug, but I'm pretty sure you can get these sort of noises out of crockery -- can you? Can I be the only one who thinks that most early 13FE songs sound like Clean Steve? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Anyone know what the name of the instrument is that gave the Elevators > their distinctive sound? To me, it sounds like a musical flat tire. The > only slightly odd instrument that is listed in the credits is a jug, but > I'm pretty sure you can get these sort of noises out of crockery -- can > you? Putatively, it was an amplified jug (cf. jugbands). I remember reading that the jug was just a prop; that Roky was making those noises by himself. I'm not sure, though. If I recall, he only had a limited range of notes; a primary, its fifth and its octave. This'd be consistant with him using an instrument with one resonating frequency, and the notes were too consistant in tone for a proper falsetto freakout... Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 04:18:20 -0800 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: RE: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:08:30 +0000 > From: "Stewart C. Russell" > To: A Line of Dots Illuminated > Subject: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing > Reply-To: "Stewart C. Russell" > > Anyone know what the name of the instrument is that gave the Elevators > their distinctive sound? To me, it sounds like a musical flat tire. The > only slightly odd instrument that is listed in the credits is a jug, but > I'm pretty sure you can get these sort of noises out of crockery -- can > you? It's a jug, miked up very close. According to one source so close that he may as well have been blowing straight into the microphone. There's a bit of a tradition of jug playing in American folk music I believe. wasn't J Garcia in a jug band once? A little digging around gives us: < http://www.jugband.org > and "how to play" in a conventional manner... < http://www.jugband.org/jugstore/jugs.html > > > Can I be the only one who thinks that most early 13FE songs sound like > Clean Steve? > > Stewart Probably. Have you heard The Golden Dawn? I have an 80's Charley reissue of their album "Power Plant". I don't know much about them but they feel very much like the elevators. They have a much softer sound, and no jugs, but cover the same mystic/psychedelic/philosophical ground with as much self conviction as the elevators. The GD are one of only two bands in my American 60's collection that Sarah enjoys. I recently got the 13FE compilation "His eye is on the pyramid" which is a: Good because it's cheap. 2 CDs for 9 quid from Amazon and its got a mini history booklet thingy. b: Bad because the tracks that should be from the first album are the "psuedo-live" versions. Brian - ------------------------------------------------------------ - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:55:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: And you thought I was voting for myself There was an article on the Kinks in Mojo (or somewhere) describing a fight, not between the Davies brothers, but between Dave and Mick Avery - Dave pretty well hospitalised Mick. If the reality was half as unpleasant as the story, I have no idea why Mick ever played with the barmy brothers again... On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, JH3 wrote [of G W Bush]: > "I don't care if this issue doesn't ***resignate*** with the voters, I > believe in doing what's right" ! > So, that means that if he wins, we'll have a President who can't > even *pronounce* the "R" word! Would that be cool or WHAT? That reminds me, I have to make some adjustments to the resignator on my Dobro! :-) - - Mike Godwin PS Didn't George Bush senior have a propensity for malapropism too? Is it genetic? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:00:07 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: more robyn reviews and articles? Browsing through our new, updated Bank of English 400+ million word corpus, I found the citation count has hopped from 1 (in the old 320m word corpus) to 29. Most of them seem to be Respect-era reviews and interviews; has everyone seen all they want of this stuff, or shall I regurgitate them, and you may feast on the still-warm remains? Stewart (who likes Kid-A a lot now, though the long silence bits at the end are a bit arrogant.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:20:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Brian Hoare wrote: > It's a jug, miked up very close. According to one source so close that > he may as well have been blowing straight into the microphone. Well, if you say so. I had always assumed that it was an electronic noise - - the wobble just sounds too regular for a live performer. Incidentally, I love jugband music, Gus Cannon and Will Shade sort of stuff. There was a very weird UK folk group called the Famous Jug Band at one time: Pete Berryman on guitar, Jill Johnson on vocals and 'Henry VIII' on jug. I only saw them once, supporting Roy Harper, but their second album 'Chameleon' is worth a listen; the first album also features Clive Palmer of the ISB, if I remember correctly. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Roky Erikson "I walked with a zombie" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:32:33 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: RE: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing There were lots of jug bands around 1920-30. They were very closely tied to old-time string bands. They tended to be a little goofier/crazier though.... "Modern" revivalist jug bands included the Holy Modal Rounders (going to the reunion concert next week!) who many heard on the Easy Rider soundtrack (Do Ya Wanna Be a Bird?), Dr West's Medicine Show and Junk Band, and the Jim Kweskin Jug Band. BTW, Roky Ericson played guitar and sang in the band, the jug player was Tommy Hall. They also liked to eat alot of peyote (yum!) NP-- Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice "Where the Soul of Man Never Dies" Steve B *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** At 04:18 AM 11/2/2000 -0800, you wrote: > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:08:30 +0000 > From: "Stewart C. Russell" > To: A Line of Dots Illuminated > Subject: musical technical question: 13th floor wobbly thing > Reply-To: "Stewart C. Russell" > > Anyone know what the name of the instrument is that gave the Elevators > their distinctive sound? To me, it sounds like a musical flat tire. The > only slightly odd instrument that is listed in the credits is a jug, but > I'm pretty sure you can get these sort of noises out of crockery -- can > you? It's a jug, miked up very close. According to one source so close that he may as well have been blowing straight into the microphone. There's a bit of a tradition of jug playing in American folk music I believe. wasn't J Garcia in a jug band once? A little digging around gives us: < http://www.jugband.org > and "how to play" in a conventional manner... < http://www.jugband.org/jugstore/jugs.html > > > Can I be the only one who thinks that most early 13FE songs sound like > Clean Steve? > > Stewart Probably. Have you heard The Golden Dawn? I have an 80's Charley reissue of their album "Power Plant". I don't know much about them but they feel very much like the elevators. They have a much softer sound, and no jugs, but cover the same mystic/psychedelic/philosophical ground with as much self conviction as the elevators. The GD are one of only two bands in my American 60's collection that Sarah enjoys. I recently got the 13FE compilation "His eye is on the pyramid" which is a: Good because it's cheap. 2 CDs for 9 quid from Amazon and its got a mini history booklet thingy. b: Bad because the tracks that should be from the first album are the "psuedo-live" versions. Brian - ------------------------------------------------------------ - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:10:25 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: band in-fighting On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Ken Ostrander wrote: > >don't seem to be any great schisms any more, or am I mistaken...? the goings on at a fall gig a few years back were the least-staged-looking i've ever seen. smith (who was past incoherent, he only sang about two - halves of a song) knocked stuff over, steve hanley actually hit him -- not too hard, though, or i think he would've crumpled. it was pathetic. > bands just couldn't hold it together. so sad; but typical. my friends' bands > never seem to be able to keep it going for too long. a metaphor for all of man, that's the truth. the average marriage lasts something like seven years? i'm guessing the average band must last 18 months or less. i'm starting to think the most important part of getting *really* good is just persistence. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:23:57 -0500 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: RIP Ring Lardner, 85. Dr. Marcy Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #312 *******************************