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fegmaniax-digest      Wednesday, November 1 2000      Volume 09 : Number 311



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  reapage                                       [Glen Uber <uberg@sonic.net>]
  Re: reapage                                     [Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>]
  Re: reapage                           [Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>]
  band in-fighting  ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" <jbranscombe@compuserve.co]
  Re: band in-fighting                [Terrence Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>]
  I just can't help myself (NR)                    [steve <schiavo@home.com>]
  Re: reapage                       [Jon Fetter <hydra@popmail.voicenet.com>]
  Re: I just can't help myself (NR)         [Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>]
  Re: I just can't help myself (NR)  ["J. Brown" <ringostr@u.washington.edu>]
  Re: I just can't help myself (NR)                [steve <schiavo@home.com>]
  Re: The Band Faust       ["Stewart C. Russell" <stewart@ref.collins.co.uk>]
  Re: Western Electric                 [Michael R Godwin <hssmrg@bath.ac.uk>]
  An Express Halloween Card - from your friend *twofangs*  [twofangs@sympati]
  my address book!                 [*twofangs/randi* <twofangs@sympatico.ca>]
  Re: it is obvious                          [Matt Yudt <myudt@netscape.net>]
  Re: band in-fighting                      [Ken Ostrander <kenster@MIT.EDU>]
  More half-assed web journalism (NR)              [steve <schiavo@home.com>]
  napster r.i.p.             [Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>]
  Re: More half-assed web journalism (NR)  [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!                [The Great Quail <quail@libyrinth.com>]
  somewhat Robyn related                         [Scary Mary <mad@loona.net>]
  Re: somewhat Robyn related  [ultraconformist <ultraconformist@etc.cnchost.]
  the bottom line                                 [Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>]
  Re: the bottom line                 [Terrence Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>]

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:01:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Glen Uber <uberg@sonic.net>
Subject: reapage

Steve Allen

http://www.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/31/obit.allen/index.html


Cheers!
- -g-

"Ha! Like anyone would deign to drink tap water? I ask you, do you drink
tap water? Do you? The only water I drink comes from the supermarket. And
it's laced with hops." --Mike Jasper

 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Glen Uber
uberg (at) sonic dot net
http://www.sonic.net/~uberg
Santa Rosa, California

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:23:05 -0700
From: Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: reapage

>Steve Allen

I hope he rests, but I'm less enthused about wishing him "peace."

RIP: 150 or so folks from Singapore.

Eb, coincidentally seeing a priggish, full-page ad in today's LA Times from
Allen, decrying the corrupt morals of television/film/music, etc. <groan>

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:36:13 -0800
From: Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>
Subject: Re: reapage

on 10/31/00 2:01 PM, Glen Uber at uberg@sonic.net wrote:

> Steve Allen
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/31/obit.allen/index.html
> 
> 

Oh no! Now who will save TV?
<URL: http://www.parentstv.org/takeaction/SAllen-advertisement.html >

- -tc

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:39:27 -0500
From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" <jbranscombe@compuserve.com>
Subject: band in-fighting

Some friends and I had a fairly drunken conversation a couple of days ago
about band bust-ups, on-stage fights, long running feuds etc. It was
actually sparked by a remark made by a rather culty rock journo I know
vaguely, who, on hearing that I was a bit Robyn/Soft Boys obsessed said
that he'd seen RH behave pretty badly to Kimberley on-stage at a SB's gig
in the late '70's. He wouldn't really elaborate, but it made a sort of
sense given the quotes that sometimes emanate about that period....

Anyway rather than dwell on that, has anyone else got any good band
fisticuff stories? We came up with quite a few - Gallaghers, of course -
Floyd, Creedence, Everley Bros, Sam & Dave. But Oasis morons aside there
don't seem to be any great schisms any more, or am I mistaken...?

jmbc.

n.p. - Univers Zero - Belgian prog-rockers, but really quite edgy and
interesting. I think they could turn into a major new love! Exciting!!

n.p. 2. - Elvis. Peace In The Valley. Complete gospel recordings. New 3CD
set. Some of it is toe-curlingly bad, and some has you on your knees
praying for forgiveness.

Eb. You have *got* to hear Faust. Try and blag the new box-set. ReR are
also re-issuing the first two albums soon. Don't know who distributes them
in US.

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:13:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Terrence Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: band in-fighting

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote:

> Anyway rather than dwell on that, has anyone else got any good band
> fisticuff stories? We came up with quite a few - Gallaghers, of course -
> Floyd, Creedence, Everley Bros, Sam & Dave. But Oasis morons aside there
> don't seem to be any great schisms any more, or am I mistaken...?

Well, there's The Police.  If I recall, Andy Summers hit Sting with a 
guitar before one of their last gigs and broke a few of his ribs.  That's
semi-modern.

There's always the Beach Boys; Blondie and Ricky quit after Mike Love's
brother (their road manager) sucker-punched Blondie  And, of course, The
Kinks.

> Eb. You have *got* to hear Faust. Try and blag the new box-set. ReR are
> also re-issuing the first two albums soon. Don't know who distributes them
> in US.

There's this one song, it starts "Apart from all the good times you gave
me, I always felt bad with you".  It's by some krautrock band, and that's
the only thing I remember from the album.  Is that Faust?

Terrence Marks
Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com
HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf
normal@grove.ufl.edu

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:09:52 -0600
From: steve <schiavo@home.com>
Subject: I just can't help myself (NR)

http://www.tnr.com/politics/cnote/chait103000.html

http://Slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=10/31/2000&idMessage
=6380


- - Steve

_______________
We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:28:42 -0500
From: Jon Fetter <hydra@popmail.voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: reapage

>RIP: 150 or so folks from Singapore.

>Besides the Americans and Taiwanese, airline spokesman James Boyd in Los
>Angeles said there also
>   were eleven Singaporeans on board, eleven Indians, eight Malaysians,
>five Indonesians, four Mexicans,
>   four British, two each from Thailand, New Zealand and Vietnam and one
>each from Australia, Canada,
>   Cambodia, Germany, Japan, Philippines, Ireland and the Canary
>Islands/Spain.

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:25:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>
Subject: Re: I just can't help myself (NR)

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, steve wrote:
> http://www.tnr.com/politics/cnote/chait103000.html
> http://Slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=10/31/2000&idMessage
> =6380

Steve, is your head only full of the thoughts of half-assed
semi-journalists of the web?  No comments of your own to add?

These guys are clearly expressing (poorly formed) opinions and doing
nothing like reporting.

If anyone's so dim-witted and gullible as to be swayed by these kinds of
hit pieces, then they're already voting for Gore.

J.
- -- 
_______________________________________________

Capuchin   capuchin@bitmine.net   Jeme A Brelin
_______________________________________________
 [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:14:02 -0800 (PST)
From: "J. Brown" <ringostr@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: I just can't help myself (NR)

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Capuchin wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, steve wrote:
> > http://www.tnr.com/politics/cnote/chait103000.html
> > http://Slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=10/31/2000&idMessage
> > =6380
> 
> These guys are clearly expressing (poorly formed) opinions and doing
> nothing like reporting.

Those were both politcal columns not news stories.  The New Republic one
seemed way off base.  But the Slate article seemed more or less acurate
about Nader's central strategy at least.

Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA 
"Everybody needs your meat, But no one meets your needs" -Robyn Hitchcock

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:39:50 -0600
From: steve <schiavo@home.com>
Subject: Re: I just can't help myself (NR)

Capuchin:
>Steve, is your head only full of the thoughts of half-assed
>semi-journalists of the web? 

Depends on how half-assed you think Slate and The New Republic are. No 
more so than Z-Mag, I suspect.

>No comments of your own to add?

These articles simply mirror what I've already said on this very list. 



- - Steve


_______________
We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:14:33 +0000
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <stewart@ref.collins.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Band Faust

Eb wrote:
> 
> "Play 'Freebird'!"
> 
> I heard the pre-Eels "Man Called E." do the same, once.

Still does, on occasion. In Glasgow, on the Beautiful Freak tour, they
played Sweet Home Alabama in response to the "Freebird!" call.

 Stewart

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:13:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: Michael R Godwin <hssmrg@bath.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Western Electric

Hi Stewart

Just got a flier from Western Electric with their latest dates. Absolutely
nothing in the Bath - Bristol area, but they are playing in Glasgow on 7th
Nov at the 13th Note.

- - Mike Godwin

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:21:31 -0500
From: *twofangs/randi* <twofangs@sympatico.ca>
Subject: my address book!

hey, long time no speak ...

First of all - I had an addy book with everyone's email, snail mail, and
phone numbers.

Magically - as I was trying to send out a halloween card to everyone in
my book - the computer went blank.

Now I can't even make it save "this" address ...

But i will keep trying ...

Anyone who wants to help me out could send me an email with their vitals
... I'll put them on a floppy or cd-rw if I have to.


Number two - how am I?

Still struggling to find a place to live, using the computer at the
hospital, the library, and at friends' homes ... it's exasperating.

But I'll be settled in somewhere by Jan 1, 2001 - 'cause i have to be.

Wish me luck on finding a full-time job and better apartments than I've
been seeing.

Miss all you guys and gals  : (

<sigh>

I will persevere - I always do.

i gotta split,
that's a quaint old fashioned way to say goodbye ...

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Date: 31 Oct 00 12:58:31 PST
From: Matt Yudt <myudt@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: it is obvious

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:34:58 -0800
From: Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>
Subject: Re: it is obvious


<<How is walking down the street using a cell phone harmful to others>

<the cell phones was a joke.  (though there's worry about cell phone 
<*towers* being harmful.)


Only if they fall over while you (or someone) is under them, I presume.  Once
again the technophobes have strikken fear where reality points otherwise.  If
you can't convince them morally, scare 'em with lies.  Geeze, that sounds like
someone running for Prez... (Pick one, you CAN'T be wrong).




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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:25:35 -0500
From: Ken Ostrander <kenster@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: band in-fighting

>Anyway rather than dwell on that, has anyone else got any good band
>fisticuff stories? We came up with quite a few - Gallaghers, of course -
>Floyd, Creedence, Everley Bros, Sam & Dave. But Oasis morons aside there
>don't seem to be any great schisms any more, or am I mistaken...?

i haven't witnessed any fisticuffs or anything, though i've seen shows where
people stormed off stage in a huff:  sonic youth (thurston pissed off steve by
goofing off with television static), the church (marty's guitar heroics were
too much for peter, but he came back), echo and the bunnymen (will got sick of
ian and his dramatics.  he came back too. it was probably staged.), and, yes,
the gallaher brothers (i think liam just got sick of performing and so noel
did
a bunch of covers).  

when i saw the stones a few years back it was funny to watch mick come out on
stage and start singing 'not fade away' right away, forcing keith to come
running out to play the riff.  i've read that the reid brothers used to fight
over hope sandoval.  then there's folks like lou reed and gg allen who like to
have it out with the audience.  

there are probably a million examples from the beatles to the clash where the
bands just couldn't hold it together.  so sad; but typical.  my friends' bands
never seem to be able to keep it going for too long.  a metaphor for all of
us.


ken  "have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"  the kenster

np       flesh eaters      a minute to pray, a second to die 

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:43:49 -0600
From: steve <schiavo@home.com>
Subject: More half-assed web journalism (NR)

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0044/goldstein.shtml


- - Steve

__________
Well, Jesus ain't no astronaut
And Buddah, he's no fool
Cathedral bells don't ring in hell 
'cos cats down there don't think that's cool. - Bill Nelson

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:38:55 -0800
From: Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>
Subject: napster r.i.p.

<URL: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/SeattleTimes.
woa/wa/gotoArticle?zsection_id=268448455&text_only=0&slug=napster01&document_id=134243639 
>.

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:52:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: More half-assed web journalism (NR)

it still doesn't change that the reason Gore is in jeopardy of losing
is his (and his campaign staff's) almost grotesque ineptitude. there is
no reason on earth he should be losing to that dipshit. and if he
loses, it is 1000% (yes thousand) his fault, not nader's. if Gore had
run even a mildly competent campaign, he'd be up by 20 points, and it
would be in the bag. instead, he had to let his inner sanctimonious
twat loose.

hopefully, after all the results are in the following will have
happened:

Nader gets the 5% for the Greens

Gore has the electoral college (since what few differences there are
between him and bush will make things vaguely less wretched for those
most effected)

the democrats take back the house

and Bush wins the popular vote by a margin less than nader's vote
total.

maybe then Gore will realize just how close he fucked this up. but i
doubt he will.


steve <schiavo@home.com> wrote:
> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0044/goldstein.shtml


=====
"The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything,
 except what is worth knowing.  Journalistm, conscious of
 this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their
 demands."
    -- Oscar Wilde

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:05:31 -0500
From: The Great Quail <quail@libyrinth.com>
Subject: AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

First, imagine me with my hands to my ears, my eyes squinted shut, my 
head shaking like that guy from "Jacob's Ladder," and squealing in my 
best "Julianne Moore from Magnolia" impression:

....

Shut up!
      Shut up,
          shut up, shutthefuckup, I beg you, all of you, please shut 
up with this humorless exchange of messianic Naderism and 
Gore-baiting and Nader-bashing and Bush-smashing pre-election 
bullshit!!!!!

I am the last person to make a plea for an on-topic list, but this 
had been going on too far! It is getting downright insulting -- 
meaning, people are starting to get personal. This is getting just 
too nasty, and stupid, and I am afraid some people will carry away 
some bad blood from this. (And I know I posted on Nixon and Bush, 
too, so I am guilty also! I repent!!!)

I beg the List for sanity! NO ONE HERE IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE 
AT THIS POINT! Me, Steve & Chris will vote for Gore; Cappy, Viv and 
Eddie will vote for Nader; and LJ & Eb will vote for Satan as they 
always do.

And you know what? The many non-US Listers won't even vote!

- --Dim-witted and gullible quail

>On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, steve wrote:
>>  http://www.tnr.com/politics/cnote/chait103000.html
>>  http://Slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=10/31/2000&idMessage
>>  =6380
>
>Steve, is your head only full of the thoughts of half-assed
>semi-journalists of the web?  No comments of your own to add?
>
>These guys are clearly expressing (poorly formed) opinions and doing
>nothing like reporting.
>
>If anyone's so dim-witted and gullible as to be swayed by these kinds of
>hit pieces, then they're already voting for Gore.

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:20:10 -0500
From: Scary Mary <mad@loona.net>
Subject: somewhat Robyn related

Last night at the Village Halloween Parade in New York City,
I saw a balloon man walking up Sixth Avenue.

I hope everyone had a wonderfully frightening Halloween.

Mary

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:39:56 -0800
From: ultraconformist <ultraconformist@etc.cnchost.com>
Subject: Re: somewhat Robyn related

>Last night at the Village Halloween Parade in New York City,
>I saw a balloon man walking up Sixth Avenue.

And I saw the Grim Reaper right here on my block. At my door, even. He was
about 5 years old, very polite and somewhat shy, and agreed not to take me
away if I gave him an extra Tootsie Roll.

love on ya,
Susan

I like Halloween

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:33:08 -0700
From: Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>
Subject: the bottom line

Quail:
>And you know what? The many non-US Listers won't even vote!

I just hope all the US Listers *will* vote.

Eb

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:04:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Terrence Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: the bottom line

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Eb wrote:

> Quail:
> >And you know what? The many non-US Listers won't even vote!
> 
> I just hope all the US Listers *will* vote.

I want to, but I'm finding it harder and harder to care....
(liable to vote for Bush in order to increase his victory margin so that I
don't have to listen to four straight years of Naderite
self-congratulation...)

Terrence Marks
Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com
HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf
normal@grove.ufl.edu

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