From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #310 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 09 : Number 310 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Baritone guitars ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: It had to happen [Tom Clark ] Re: It had to happen [Christopher Gross ] Chuck Baritone Loc [Glen Uber ] Re: Chuck Baritone Loc [Terrence Marks ] Baritone Simpson ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Moby/Faust [mojo@rice.edu] Re: Moby/Faust [Tom Clark ] juicy 'caster and fender dub ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Danelectro baritone [Natalie Jacobs ] oh... uh, sorry to post twice in a row [Natalie Jacobs ] email petitions (NR) ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: The Band Faust [Eb ] Re: It had to happen [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: It had to happen [Ken Ostrander ] [100% comics] FROM HELL banned [hbrandt ] Re: email petitions (NR) [Eleanore Adams ] Re: email petitions (NR) [Aaron Mandel ] Just in time for Halloween [Christopher Gross ] EoL & more [Griffith Davies ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:57:01 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Baritone guitars At 11:30 AM 10/29/00 -0500, Terrence Marks wrote: >Can the local gear experts here tell me why more people don't use these >and who does? Trey Gunn of King Crimson uses a Danelectro baritone very occasionally on the latest album - I've never seen him do so live, though. Also, check out Blonde Redhead's "Melody of Certain Damaged Lemons," which is mostly just guitar, baritone guitar (don't know which brand), vocals and drums. I've seen Danelectro Baritones as low as $120 at Guitar Center. Fender makes a baritone guitar as well, called the Sub-Sonic. I think baritones have sort of fallen out of favor because of the growing popularity of 7-string guitars, which sort of give you the best of both worlds. Loads of modern metal bands are getting a lot of use out of the low B string on 7-strings. At 04:42 PM 10/26/00 -0700, Eb wrote: >Actually, I'm not overly fond of "The Party." Call me "hypersensitive" if you like, but there's something about Peter Sellers in brown facepaint that just really rubs me the wrong way. I've never been able to watch more than 10 minutes of that movie. - --Jason "if you're not voting for Bozo the Clown you're a fucking whackjob schmuck" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:02:56 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: It had to happen on 10/30/00 11:41 AM, Christopher Gross at chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu wrote: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Tom Clark wrote: > >>> You've all heard it -- people at concerts yelling out "Freebird" as an >>> ironically inappropriate song request. Well, at the Moby show last night, >>> people yelled out "Play 'Freebird'!" So he did. It was amusing. (He >>> also, in response to a more serious request, played Mission of Burma's >>> "That's When I Reach for My Revolver.") >> >> Didn't he release this as a single a few years ago? > > Er, which one? "Freebird"? Could be. > > Re: "That's When I Reach for My Revolver," Moby said he only played it in > Boston and DC. DC gets the privilege, he said, because a local radio > station was the only station outside of Boston that gave the song any > aiplay when it first came out. No, I meant "That's When I Reach for My Revolver". Am I just restating the obvious, that he released a cover of it a few years ago? Because your initial statement made it sound like it was an unusual song for him to play. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:28:25 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: It had to happen On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Tom Clark wrote: > No, I meant "That's When I Reach for My Revolver". Am I just restating the > obvious, that he released a cover of it a few years ago? Because your > initial statement made it sound like it was an unusual song for him to play. He did include his cover of TWIRFMR on the _Animal Rights_ album. (Come to think of it, that must be why someone requested it.) However, before they played it Moby said it was rare for them to actually perform it live. I wouldn't know myself; this was the first time I'd seen him in over five years. - --Chis "my stupid R key is sticking" the Chiste ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:34:27 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: Chuck Baritone Loc On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Jason R. Thornton wrote: >>Can the local gear experts here tell me why more people don't use these >>and who does? > >I think baritones have sort of fallen out of favor because of the growing >popularity of 7-string guitars, which sort of give you the best of both >worlds. Loads of modern metal bands are getting a lot of use out of the >low B string on 7-strings. I always associate baritone guitars with some of the twangy country-rock bands that were around in the 80s (Desert Rose Band, Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, et. al.). I think the first baritone guitar riff that really struck me, though, was Jimmie Vaughan's on the Fab T-birds' "Tuff Enuff." There is a guitar that sounds like a baritone guitar on "Last Time" by the Rolling Stones. If it truly is a baritone, then that could be the earliest recorded instance of one, no? I notice a lot of liner note credits include "6-string bass". Is that term synonymous with baritone guitar or are they two seperate beasts? I know the Cure play a lot of six-string bass. John Lennon apparently played a six-string bass on "Back In The USSR" and the guitar in the verse section ("I, I love the colorful clothes she wears...") of "Good Vibrations" sounds like a baritone guitar and/or six-string bass. Along the same lines, The Presidents of the United States of America have six strings combined. How are their gee-tarz tuned? Cheers! - -g- "Ha! Like anyone would deign to drink tap water? I ask you, do you drink tap water? Do you? The only water I drink comes from the supermarket. And it's laced with hops." --Mike Jasper +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Chuck Baritone Loc On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Glen Uber wrote: > synonymous with baritone guitar or are they two seperate beasts? I know > the Cure play a lot of six-string bass. John Lennon apparently played a > six-string bass on "Back In The USSR" and the guitar in the verse section > ("I, I love the colorful clothes she wears...") of "Good > Vibrations" sounds like a baritone guitar and/or six-string bass. Separate. A baritone guitar is just a fifth lower than a regular guitar. A six-string bass goes an octave (or an octave and a fifth) lower. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:01:36 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Baritone Simpson At 12:34 PM 10/30/00 -0800, Glen Uber wrote: >I notice a lot of liner note credits include "6-string bass". Is that term >synonymous with baritone guitar or are they two seperate beasts? For the most part, "baritone guitar" refers to a guitar tuned down a 5th from a regular guitar (B-E-A-D-F#-B) - or slightly lower. I have a friend that uses a A-D-G-C-E-A baritone tuning. A "6-string bass," in Danelectro/Fender/Ernie Ball terminology, on the other hand, refers to a guitar tuned down an entire octave from a standard guitar (E-A-D-G-B-E). Both of these sorts of guitars feature regular guitar string spacing and a slightly longer scale - the Fender Sub-Sonic has a 27-inch scale length for instance. To further confuse matters, "a six string bass" can also refer to a 34 inch+ scale bass guitar instrument with, usually, an added low B string and a high C string. - --Jason, never ever going to the restroom again "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:01:29 -0600 (CST) From: mojo@rice.edu Subject: Moby/Faust >and while I'm at it, what do y'all find so interesting/worthwhile >about reading Salon, anyway? I think the reportage is so >look-mom-no-hands sloppy and narcissistic, like most web "journalism." <> Heheh...no. I just like to complain. <> Heh, that Moby. There's a similar story that Zappa made an 80s band of his learn "Whipping Post" (the Allman Bros.), because so many yahoos would yell out that title during the shows. No confirmation as to whether or not they ever got to perform it, as far as I know. (I got this from the Ben Watson book _Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play_.) <<(about as near to an RH connection as I could get). How's about this for a Halloween treat? Faust (live) doing the soundtrack to a screening of the original 'Nosferatu'. It's on at Leeds Irish Centre if anyone is interested and on the right contintent at the time.>> Wow. Who's still in Faust right now? marshall np Howlin' Wolf, 1958-1962 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:04:36 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Moby/Faust on 10/30/00 1:01 PM, mojo@rice.edu at mojo@rice.edu wrote: > Heh, that Moby. There's a similar story that Zappa made an 80s > band of his learn "Whipping Post" (the Allman Bros.), because so many > yahoos would yell out that title during the shows. No confirmation > as to whether or not they ever got to perform it, as far as I know. > (I got this from the Ben Watson book _Negative Dialectics of Poodle > Play_.) I think there's a version on one of the "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore" volumes. I think that's when they change it to "Whipping Floss". - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:39:22 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: juicy 'caster and fender dub John Paul Jones plays six and five string bass on his wonderful collaboration with Diamanda Galas, The Sporting Life. Faust are pretty much the original line-up on this tour. I had to miss the London Nosferatu gig. By all accounts it was magnificent. The Guardian gave it five stars and they don't often do that... There's a big, fat hairy box-set coming out soon (it's been delayed for what seems like months but it's actually only about eight weeks - I suppose that's two months...). Can't wait to get my hands on it. As far as Robyn's novel goes...Once upon a time, nigh on two years ago he did tell me there was a publisher interested, but at least one rewrite later I'm not sure what's going on. Last time we spoke, a few months ago, he just mentioned he was going to give it to his agent to hawk around 'soon'.... jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:42:37 -0600 From: David Librik Subject: Feg radio show late tonight If you are awake in the middle of the night, you will probably enjoy listening to ex-Feglister Katherine's show tonight on WWUH radio. It's broadcast over the Web at http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~wwuh/real.htm using RealAudio (use the 28.8K connection as the 56K one is broken). It's happening from 3-6 AM Eastern Time tonight (i.e. Tuesday morning) -- that's 2-5 AM Central Time, 0800-1100 in Britain. Expect several Robyn songs and other Halloween-oriented tunes that Fegfans will like (especially if you're a fan of Eye and I Often Dream Of Trains). You'll also hear a lot of Canadian and Celtic folk songs. Her show is new and I've been enjoying listening to it a lot. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Danelectro baritone I almost bought one of these this spring. They sound super cool - a really deep, ominous sound. I ultimately didn't buy one because a) the neck is too long for my tiny arms and b) it's tuned a fifth down from a regular guitar, and I am too musically retarded to transpose. The guy at the store where I bought my groovy "Commie Red" Dano DC said that baritones were often used on the soundtracks for TV Westerns. A guy at another store "jokingly" pulled really hard on my arm to make it "longer," thus resulting in what was initially diagnosed as a rotator cuff injury. Ah, me. n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: oh... uh, sorry to post twice in a row ... but I have a question for all you history buffs. I was reading my "Krazy Kat" kompendium, and came across a cartoon from 1920 in whick Ignatz Mouse is watching an elephant (bearing a sign about voting for the GOP) and a donkey (bearing a sign saying "Stand by your party") parade by. He poo-poo's them both. Then a CAMEL walks by, bearing a sign that says "Kemically pure!" In the next frame, Ignatz says, "Ah, I'm sick of all of those old political parties!" So is the camel some sort of topical joke (a reference to Camel cigarettes, maybe? did they exist back then?) or was there a third party in 1920 represented by a camel? I guess if Ignatz were around now, he'd be voting for Nader... actually, no, he strikes me as a conservative. Buchanan, maybe. gnat "little dollink, always fetful" the gnatster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:34:58 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: it is obvious the cell phones was a joke. outlawing motor-cars would almost certainly be considered an authoritarian measure in some circles. touche. still doesn't amount to a *need*, of course. also, we could just spend on reparations a large percentage of what we otherwise would have spent on the military. the total miles of which drive, when placed alongside the number of miles i drive 'round town day-to-day, was a pittance. do as i say, not as i do, comrade. seriously, though. imagine all the interstates being ripped up and replaced by maglev lines. the cell phones was a joke. (though there's worry about cell phone *towers* being harmful.) . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:22:46 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: email petitions (NR) My sweet, amazing, 87 year old grandmother just forwarded an email petition, regarding women's rights in Afghanistan, to all her friends and family. I've no doubt that the issue is real, and urgent, but I've come to understand that email-based petitions may not be a worthwhile means of effecting change. I know a similar petition was discussed recently on this list but I no longer have the relevant messages. Would any net-activism-savvy fegs like to chime in on the efficacy of email petitions in general, and/or help to identify other, perhaps web-based, alternatives that I can pass along to my grandmother and her mailing list? Or am I wrong, and is a petition like this more than a waste of bandwidth? If anyone would like to see the petition in question, email me off-list. thanks, brian (the one who's not the one that isn't me) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:53:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Band Faust >(about as near to an RH connection as I could get). >How's about this for a Halloween treat? Faust (live) doing >the soundtrack to a screening of the original 'Nosferatu'. >It's on at Leeds Irish Centre if anyone is interested and on >the right contintent at the time. Faust is probably one of THE bands I want to hear, but never have. Haven't heard a single damn song. =>> You've all heard it -- people at concerts yelling out "Freebird" as an >> ironically inappropriate song request. Well, at the Moby show last night, >> people yelled out "Play 'Freebird'!" So he did. It was amusing. I heard the pre-Eels "Man Called E." do the same, once. I'm really having a double whammy of bad luck, lately. Not only is Deltanet working rough and erratic, but my actual *phone line* is having major troubles. I'm lucky I was able to download my email at *all*, today. Didn't manage to do it, until 10:30 pm tonight. Phone company says something to do with the recent rain flooding this or that box.... In any case, I *will* be leaving Deltanet sometime in the near future. Judging from what I heard today from tech support, I probably should've left a year and a half ago. Anyone have any horror stories about Earthlink? Because that's definitely my #1 candidate. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: It had to happen Christopher Gross wrote: > Re: "That's When I Reach for My Revolver," Moby said he only played > it in > Boston and DC. DC gets the privilege, he said, because a local radio > station was the only station outside of Boston that gave the song any > aiplay when it first came out. funny, i seem to remember the late live 105 playing it quite a bit... maybe it just happened to tune in all 15 times they played it or something..... ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalistm, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:20:32 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: It had to happen >> You've all heard it -- people at concerts yelling out "Freebird" as an >> ironically inappropriate song request. Well, at the Moby show last night, >> people yelled out "Play 'Freebird'!" So he did. It was amusing. (He >> also, in response to a more serious request, played Mission of Burma's >> "That's When I Reach for My Revolver.") > >Didn't he release this as a single a few years ago? the mission of burma tune, not the skynard one. at the show i saw, he played 'the end' by the doors after fooling around with the opening chords of 'stairway to heaven' and 'freebird'. it was pretty funny. thankfully, it was an abridged version. ken "lord knows i can't change" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:59:18 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: [100% comics] FROM HELL banned http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=cia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:22:21 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: email petitions (NR) This is a very old, old, old urban legend spam. Most petitions on the web are uneffective at best. Your grandmom can read the history of that spam at www.about.com/urbanlegends eleanore Brian Huddell wrote: > My sweet, amazing, 87 year old grandmother just forwarded an email petition, > regarding women's rights in Afghanistan, to all her friends and family. > I've no doubt that the issue is real, and urgent, but I've come to > understand that email-based petitions may not be a worthwhile means of > effecting change. I know a similar petition was discussed recently on this > list but I no longer have the relevant messages. > > Would any net-activism-savvy fegs like to chime in on the efficacy of email > petitions in general, and/or help to identify other, perhaps web-based, > alternatives that I can pass along to my grandmother and her mailing list? > Or am I wrong, and is a petition like this more than a waste of bandwidth? > If anyone would like to see the petition in question, email me off-list. > > thanks, > brian (the one who's not the one that isn't me) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:53:12 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: email petitions (NR) On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > Would any net-activism-savvy fegs like to chime in on the efficacy of > email petitions in general, and/or help to identify other, perhaps > web-based, alternatives that I can pass along to my grandmother and > her mailing list? make a web site. put a form on it asking people for their names (or whatever). circulate the URL of the form, including an "ignore-after" date. when it's done, send the names to whoever it is. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:00:26 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Just in time for Halloween - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) From: Griffith Davies Subject: EoL & more I listened to EoL last week for probably the first time this year. What an amazing disc - I forgot just how good it is. The Lennon-esque "Somewhere Apart", the killer bass on "Winchester" are just a few of the highlights for me. Hell, I even like listening to "The Can Opener". Was I hallucinating, or did I hear the opening to "Tom Sawyer" by Rush on yet another Nissan car commercial? Creepy. Saw King Crimson last week, they closed the show with a stunning rendition of "Heroes" - beat the hell out the Wallflower's version. griffith PS - hoping to see "The Exorcist" tonight.... np - "Dirt Floor" Chris Whitley (gotta love the sound of that National Resophonic) ===== - --------------------------------------------------------- Griffith Davies hbrtv219@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #310 *******************************