From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #303 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 09 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: apples and oil ["J. Brown" ] coming in many flavours ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: apples and oil [Viv Lyon ] Re: Hugh Heifer-ner (2% Hitchcock (Alfred)) [Terrence Marks ] Re: rad, radio, radiohead la (0% pissy political diatribes ) [Je] Re: RIP ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: changing the world, not with a bong, but with a wimper ["Stewart C. R] Re: changing the world, not with a bong, but with a whimper [Michael R Go] Re: changing the world, not with a bong, but with a wimper [GSS ] Re: Only Two More Weeks of this Atrocity Exhibition, We Promise [Jeff Dwa] Re: change the bong water for the world, often [GSS ] Re: Hugh Heifer-ner (2% Hitchcock (Alfred)) [steve ] Re: bush's ideas (fwd) [Michael R Godwin ] a BRIEF political note (or two) [Christopher Gross ] Re: bush's ideas (fwd) [Terrence Marks ] Re: bush's ideas (fwd) [Christopher Gross ] Re: bush's ideas (fwd) ["Elizabeth Setler" ] Re: bush's ideas (fwd) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: bush's ideas (fwd) [Terrence Marks ] RE: bush's ideas (fwd) ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Per our recent conversation... [Tom Clark ] gnatmaniax II [Natalie Jacobs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:39:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: apples and oil On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Asshole Motherfucker wrote: > Texas > environmental commission.> > > and gore has huge oil industry *personal holdings*. no he doesnt. His mother has sizable holdings, but gore doesnt and he doesnt handle his mothers finances. at least thats what i read in the New york times. > upstart: your administration hasn't been supportive of microsoft. > incumbent: it's been *very* supportive. in fact, bill gates is a > close friend. ha ha! I've seriously considered voting for Carlson since Locke has been completely incompetent who's main accomplishment seems to have been having two cute little kids while in office. But my olympia bureaucrat mother and school teacher father would kill me if i did. > heard a rumour that The Rocket went belly-up. Thats more than a rumor its a fact. Im suprised it didnt happen sooner as the damn paper kept getting thinner and less interesting. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:12:11 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: coming in many flavours >From: "Asa Land" > >From which I became very snotty at about 15 on using "will" and "shall" will >full nuance. Yeah, 15 is about the right age to be snotty about things like that. There's a rule that grammar/spelling flames on the net will always contain at least one grammar/spelling error themselves. As I point out how silly it is to natter about "will/shall" while (for example) misspelling "existence," I am nervously wondering what grammar/spelling error this post will contain. >As in, I will vote for Gore, because I must. >And if you vote for Nader, and Bush wins, I will beat you over the head with >a very-dead smelly fish and you shall deserve it. Er, no. >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >On a scale of 1 to 100 where 50 is middle of the road, 100 is Hitler and 0 >is Eddie, Wow! Eddie is the anti-Hitler! That's practically a marriage proposal! >From: Christopher Gross >I don't think this is true at all. Pro-Gore articles concentrate on the >"Gore is not Bush" theme because Bush is just so appallingly bad that the >ability to beat Bush is highly prized right about now. But if you re-read >these articles I'm sure you'll see that most mention actual Gore positions >that they support -- paying down the national debt, perhaps, or protecting >the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, depending on which article you're >reading. It's not just a case of anybody-but-Bush-ism. To be honest, even the few articles I've seen with those themes don't make them compelling to me. The national debt and the need for wildlife refuges are symptoms, and it's hard to get excited about a candidate with vague promises of band-aids. >From: Christopher Gross > >On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, James Dignan wrote: > >> FWIW (and I know I should probably butt out on this one), from an >> outsider's perspective, the Democrats seem slightly right of centre, and >> the Republicans considerably right of centre. The Liberatarians apallingly >> far right in their economics at least. And as for Buchanan's load (what's >> their name again?). The Greens seem like the only party to the left of >> centre, and many of their views are further right than most green parties >> worldwide. > >These terms should be understood in their American context. These days >pretty much *any* belief in redistributing wealth downward, regulating >business, retaining any vestige of affirmative action, or protecting the >environment counts as being centrist or to the left. I took James's point as being: the American context is itself pretty far right of center as compared to the rest of the world. Which is exactly what I think you're inferring (just kidding! I mean implying!). >From: Asshole Motherfucker > >do you trust his (meagre) rhetorical posturings? did you trust clinton's? >see what it got you? That is _exactly_ what I keep thinking about. Clinton convinced a lot of naive 18-year-olds in 1992 that he would do something in office other than our peer Monica. It sucked to end up voting for him again in 1996. >KEN "Do you see what happens when you FUCK a STRANGER in the ASS?" >THE KENSTER No, what _does_ happen? I've been tempted, but couldn't quite bring myself to take the bait. >From: "J. Brown" > >They think that >Nader is harsh and abrasive personality-wise It's not like they're being asked to have dinner with him. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: apples and oil On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Asshole Motherfucker wrote: (mostly excellent post deleted) > upstart: your administration hasn't been supportive of microsoft. > incumbent: it's been *very* supportive. in fact, bill gates is a > close friend. You have to be kidding. Further proof that I'm an idiot for having faith in people. > heard a rumour that The Rocket went belly-up. NOOO!!! Even further proof...of what, I'm not sure. Gads, the Rocket was really good, better than that sorry ass Rocket-imitator Mercury that Portland now has littering its' fine drinking establishments. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Hugh Heifer-ner (2% Hitchcock (Alfred)) On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, James Dignan wrote: > On a scale of 1 to 100 where 50 is middle of the road, 100 is Hitler and 0 > is Eddie, Shall we, for the sake of fairness, try equating someone who isn't really, really evil with the far right? (Or at least put Pol Pot or Trotsky or something as 0 to balance it out?) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:31:36 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: apples and oil Asshole Motherfucker: >>Al Gore and Joe Lieberman, by contrast, are unapologetic about spending >>money on the military and unapologetic about using it to pursue American >>ideals. From Iraq to Bosnia to Haiti, both men have shown an unusual >>willingness to discern the ethical imperatives in foreign policy crises. >no, really, steve. you *didn't* read this before posting the link, right? Of course I did. Iraq was ONLY about oil, but the other two were actions of good will. I would really like to see a special U.S. force of maybe 50,000 troops that would do nothing but rapid deployment peacekeeping. It would be all volunteer, so everybody would know ahead of time what kind of missions they might be doing. That way, a good contingent could have been off the coast of East Timor *before* the election was held. I'm sure there would be plenty of people wanting to sign on. >>A nation state must have a military - its size and uses are open >>to debate. >because why? and debate amongst whom? Don't play dumb, Eddie. Even a socialist utopia needs a military. - ---------- Anybody hear the first/former Prime Minister of Singapore on Fresh Air today? That's the kind of society that I think the social conservatives really want. - - Steve "I hear this Republican message that we're rich as hell and we're not going to take it any more. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm paying taxes at a lower rate than my secretary ... and frankly I think that's crazy." - Warren Buffett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: rad, radio, radiohead la (0% pissy political diatribes ) Eb wrote: > Courtney Love might've been cited too, but then, that's predictable, > isn't it? (After all, Yorke will probably be the one to ghostwrite > the next Hole album, if past patterns hold up....) i still say that if kurdt had written _live through this,_ it would have been a much better record. except for "violet." ===== "Freedom is participation in power." -- Cicero __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:09:39 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: RIP Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Aha! Time for Stan Freberg playing St George in the style of Joe > "I'm a cop" Friday... cease and desist with the vintage comedy, else I'll have to start quoting Tom Lehrer, "The Remains of" whom I currently have on my CD player. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:17:58 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: changing the world, not with a bong, but with a wimper GSS wrote: > > I would bet with a great deal of confidence that there are more arseholes > in London than in the entire state of Nebraska. Indeed. With Nebraska with a population of about 1.6M, there are many more arseholes in London than in that state. This assumes: 1) the usual 1 arsehole per capita ratio 2) that we confine the count to humans. (Things get strange when you consider monotremes, but I doubt there are many echidnas in NE.) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:01:08 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: changing the world, not with a bong, but with a whimper On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Indeed. With Nebraska with a population of about 1.6M, there are many > more arseholes in London than in that state. > This assumes: > 1) the usual 1 arsehole per capita ratio > 2) that we confine the count to humans. (Things get strange when you > consider monotremes, but I doubt there are many echidnas in NE.) And what about marsupials? Apparently a kangaroo (presumbly equipped with anal passage, and maybe with pouch too, depending on sex) has been spotted several times on Beckenham golf course (see today's Grauniad for details). This must add one to the London total. - - Nikolai Ivanovich Labochevsky n.p. Click Clack by CB & HMB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:03:13 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: changing the world, not with a bong, but with a wimper > > I would bet with a great deal of confidence that there are more arseholes > > in London than in the entire state of Nebraska. > > Indeed. With Nebraska with a population of about 1.6M, there are many > more arseholes in London than in that state. That is what gave me such high confidence, along with the funny accents and bad food. gss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:18:01 -0400 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: paging "Clean Steve" Schiavo (NR) Please email me-can't find your address. Dr. Marcy Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Only Two More Weeks of this Atrocity Exhibition, We Promise Ben wrote: > > Subject: Re: Only Two More Weeks of this Atrocity Exhibition, We > Promise (wuz Re: I'm sure a lot of you can empathize....) [pi% Joy > Division content] > > This is the way, unsubscribe... > This is the way, unsubscribe... :) exhibit 498,403 why this is the best list ===== "Freedom is participation in power." -- Cicero __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:27:42 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: change the bong water for the world, often The ballots in Texas were kinda interesting. Green and Libertarian candidates in quite a few races and even a straight Green ticket option. I didn't vote a straight ticket, but I picked Nader for dad and a couple green boys with strange names for both railroad commissioner spots. I hit libs or nothing for all the judge openings and on any uncontested race, I abstained. gss 'A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.' - Bertrand deJouvenal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:50:29 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Hugh Heifer-ner (2% Hitchcock (Alfred)) Terrence Marks: >(Or at least put Pol Pot or Trotsky or something as 0 to balance it out?) Hey, don't be dissin' Trotsky. - - Steve __________ More confirmation that we have a vast sucking noise running for president. - Dahlia Lithwick on the Bush wedding video ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:16:01 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: bush's ideas (fwd) I'm sure you've all seen these, but here they are again. I'm not sure that I want him as part of Europe! (see No. 14) - Mike Godwin >> "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." >> ..George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and >> child." >> ..Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "Welcome to Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> "Mars is essentially in the same orbit...Mars is somewhat the same >> distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen >> pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is >> water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can >> breathe." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 8/11/94 >> "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in >> this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live >> in this century." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/15/95 >> >> "I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and >> democracy - but that could change." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 5/22/98 >> >> "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that >> one word is 'to be prepared'." >> ..Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 12/6/93 >> >> "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." >> ..Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 11/30/96 >> >> "I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in >> the future." >> ..Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "The future will be better tomorrow." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "We're going to have the best educated American people in the world." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/21/97 >> >> "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and >> have a tremendous impact on history." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93 >> >> "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm >> commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "Public speaking is very easy." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. to reporters in 10/9 >> >> "I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican" >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the >> polls." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in LA, my >> answer has been direct & simple: >> Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. >> Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame. >> ...George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having >> it." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 5/20/96 >> >> "We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/22/97 >> >> "For NASA, space is still a high priority." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/5/93 >> >> "Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our >> children." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/18/95 >> >> "The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that George >> Bush may or may not make." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the >> mistakes we may or may not have made." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities >> in our air and water that are doing it." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >> "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. >> >>  ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: a BRIEF political note (or two) On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Asshole Motherfucker wrote: > > > steve, steve, steve, steve, steve. i'd have to say that this is > the single most damning issue, gorewise (though clinton/gore military > and trade policies have *perhaps* been more *damaging*, they haven't > been nearly so hypocritical on these subjects). "hasn't been as > strident"? clinton/gore "environmental" policy has been a COMPLETE > debacle. Without denying that the Clinton/Gore administration was a big disappointment in this regard, I'd still say that environmental policy is the classic example of an area where the Republicans are definitely the much bigger evil. Clinton has at least opposed Republican efforts to weaken the Clean Air Act, and even signed stronger air quality standards. Clinton created a number of protected national monuments (natural "monuments," not Lincoln Memorial-style monuments), which the Republicans opposed. The Republican Senate blocked ratification of the Kyoto Accords, which Gore negotiated. And Bush openly supports oil drilling in ANWR and increased logging in national forests, both of which Gore opposes. (Granted, you think everything Gore says is a lie....) IMO the record clearly shows that a Republican administration would be very opposite of the "lesser evil" that Eddie called it. Leon Trotsky: the thinking man's Joseph Stalin! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:44:48 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: bend over * Immediate action required: Help us stop HR 3048 Two weeks ago we warned you about S. 2516, the Fugitive Apprehension Act of 2000, which would empower federal bureaucrats to subpoena your electronic records without a warrant. This bill has now been attached to another piece of legislation -- The Presidential Threat Protection Act (HR 3048) -- and is expected to come up for a final vote on Wednesday or Thursday (October 24 or 25.) Please read this brief action item and then telephone your House representative immediately. SUMMARY: This legislation, supposedly designed to "locate and apprehend fugitives," gives police broad new powers to issue "administrative subpoenas." These subpoenas can be used to obtain information not just from suspected fugitives, but from innocent third parties, such as business associates or acquaintances, who could be considered witnesses. The bill would allow police to get administrative subpoenas for your "electronic data," such as bank records, school records, medical data, phone bills, and e-mail account. Police would have the power to compel third parties, such as your bank, telephone company or Internet Service Providers, to turn over your personal records. Under a "delayed notice" provision, police could order third parties to refrain from telling you that your records have been searched and/or seized by the government. WHAT TO DO: Contact your Congressional representative immediately by calling the Capitol Hill switchboard at (202) 225-3121 or (202) 224-3121. Tell them to vote NO on the Conference Report on HR 3048, The Presidential Threat Protection Act. Let them know that this is a flagrant attack on your privacy rights, as well as an unconstitutional search, because no court order or search warrant is required. Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Steve Dasbach National Director Libertarian Party web link: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/20/2341243&mode=nested ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: bush's ideas (fwd) On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Michael R Godwin wrote: > >> "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." > >> ..George W. Bush, Jr. > >> > >> "Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and > >> child." > >> ..Governor George W. Bush, Jr. > >> > >> "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm > >> commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." > >> ...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. You know, everybody was attributing all those quotes to Dan Quayle a for the last few years. "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." ...Ralph Nader "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." ...Ralph Nader See. Don't vote for Ralph either. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: bush's ideas (fwd) On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Terrence Marks wrote: > You know, everybody was attributing all those quotes to Dan Quayle a for > the last few years. Yeah! Instead, check out these authentic Bushisms: Most of them come with citations, so skeptics can investigate for themselves. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:30:33 -0400 From: "Elizabeth Setler" Subject: Re: bush's ideas (fwd) - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michael R Godwin > >I'm sure you've all seen these, but here they are again. I'm not sure that >I want him as part of Europe! (see No. 14) I believe those are all Quayle quotes (although you can also find most of them attributed to Al Gore on a number of pro-Bush sites). For your daily dose of equally alarming Dubya pearls, go here: http://slate.msn.com/Features/bushisms/bushisms.asp - -- Elizabeth - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:45:21 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: bush's ideas (fwd) On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Christopher Gross wrote: > Yeah! Instead, check out these authentic Bushisms: > Apologies if some of those earlier quotes were apocryphal. They came from a usually reliable source (_viz_ my mate Dave); I have now consulted the "authentic Bushisms". Fegs will be very reassured that: "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000 And as an economist, I think he's on the right track with: "More and more of our imports come from overseas." Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000 But this one sounds remarkably like our British politicians: "Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness.", CNN online chat, Aug. 30, 2000 Thanks, Christopher! - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:40:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: bush's ideas (fwd) On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Michael R Godwin wrote: > And as an economist, I think he's on the right track with: > "More and more of our imports come from overseas." Beaverton, Ore., > Sep. 25, 2000 Ahem. We don't _all_ live on islands, y'know. Our #1 trading partner can be reached by land route. A fair amount of the stuff on that page isn't _that_ ridiculous. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:54:33 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: bush's ideas (fwd) All right...the man might not be the best public speaker but quite a few of these are petty. Some are actually dead-right. Mainly: "When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in LA, my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame." (read: you're responsible for your actions, not anyone else). and (the big one): "I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican" - -----Original Message----- From: Michael R Godwin [mailto:hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Subject: Re: bush's ideas (fwd) I'm sure you've all seen these, but here they are again. I'm not sure that I want him as part of Europe! (see No. 14) - Mike Godwin >> "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:00:21 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Per our recent conversation... Xerox still wondering what to do with PARC: - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: gnatmaniax II I've been meaning to post this for a while.... here's some thrilling accounts of shows I've been to recently. K Records Showcase (with the Microphones, Mirah, Wolf Colonel, and the Softies) The venue was Meow Meow, an all-ages place that looks like someone's basement (concrete floor and walls, etc.). I missed the Microhpones, which was fine by me because they suck. Mirah's lead singer looks like a younger and cuter Elaine from "Seinfeld." She did a quiet singer-songwriter-y thing, plus a totally charming a cappella song that sounded like a show tune. The indie boys all swooned. Wolf Colonel normally sound like Cheap Trick, but this was a solo acoustic performance; the main guy stalked around in the audience while he played. He had a sense of showmanship that reminded me of Dan Bern. He also did my favorite song of theirs, "Those Aquatic Droids" (Quail, take note!). The Softies are two girls with matching pink guitars. They were wispy and gentle and sweet, and I started to yawn after a while. It was one Softy's birthday, so there was chocolate cake for everyone. Nice. Bright Eyes I decided to give them another chance, being the open-minded gal that I am. This was also at Meow Meow. The opening bands were the Prom, who sounded like Ben Folds Five (ack!), and the ubiquitous Urban Legends, featuring the improbably named Hutch Harris, who looks like Steve Malkmus and is now drumming for the Minders. They did some nice fun pop songs. Bright Eyes were a surprisingly large ensemble, featuring a xylophone, flute, steel pedal, and several keyboards. Conor Oberst (the youthful frontman) is awfully cute and held the audience mesmerized (except when he left to take a pee break), but I soon got tired of the way every song started out real quiet, built into a hysterical frenzy, then got quiet again. It got really predictable. I think Oberst needs to realize that you don't need to get hysterical in order to convey emotional intensity. Maybe in a few years... The Minders CD Release Show Again, Urban Legends opened, and a Will Oldham-esque band called Mothball. The show took place on Friday the 13th, so the Minders wore goofy Halloween make-up, and did an excellent cover of "Lucifer Sam"! (I wish someone had taped it.) About half of what they played was new material - good stuff; I think the next album's going to be a keeper. This was probably the best show of theirs that I've seen - I think they were revved up because they were the headliners. Martyn Leaper yelled a lot, and people actually danced! Incidentally, the Minders have almost tied with the Laughing Hyenas as the band that I've seen the most often. Hopefully the Minders won't all become junkies and break up (like the Laughing Hyenas) before they can break the tie. n., off to sabotage another men's room soap dispenser p.s. I've decided not to vote for Nader, because I don't want to take votes away from Howard Phillips! Go Constitution Party! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #303 *******************************