From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #291 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 18 2000 Volume 09 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: thycke of the sleeping nyghtes of jesus ["Scott Clark " ] Re: spreading it on thicke [GSS ] Robyn and Grant or Peter and Dudley? ["Scott Hunter McCleary" ] Re: Purely political parley (Nader content 99.44%) [GSS ] speaking of pirates... [Capuchin ] Re: speaking of pirates... [Stephen Buckalew ] Review of 10-16-2000 gig [Bayard ] Re: Review of 10-16-2000 gig [Eb ] Re:theme music/Sladek [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Melancholic RH (0% politics) ["Disinformant" ] news: blood seeps from Ralph Nader's outstretched palms, as a devout crowd of millions watches [Eb] Re: Review of 10-16-2000 gig [Bayard ] set lists ["Mike Hooker" ] Re: Melancholic RH (0% politics) [Bayard ] Re: please, jeme, this is offensive. [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Purely political parley (Nader content 99.44%) [steve Subject: re: thycke of the sleeping nyghtes of jesus Great MST3K quote, after "Mothra" (played by Mike Nelson) mentions regretting an appearance on TotN: "Wow, it must take some sort of all-seeing God-being to make a Thick of the Night joke in the 90s." =============================================================== Scott Clark "The love of the irregular sc8y@swissinfo.org is a sign of the basic Charlottesville, VA, USA quest for freedom."--Soetsu Yanagi =============================================================== _______________________________________________________________________ Dreaming of a Swiss Account? Get it here: http://freemail.swissinfo.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:42:36 +0100 From: "Scott Clark " Subject: re: missing iota twice ( ( ( ( * ) ) ) ) ^ Bang head here. =============================================================== Scott Clark "The love of the irregular sc8y@swissinfo.org is a sign of the basic Charlottesville, VA, USA quest for freedom."--Soetsu Yanagi =============================================================== _______________________________________________________________________ Dreaming of a Swiss Account? Get it here: http://freemail.swissinfo.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:49:32 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: spreading it on thicke > Bayard wrote: > > > Who else sings their theme song..? Judi Dench on 'a fine romance'. gss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:57:27 -0700 From: "Scott Hunter McCleary" Subject: Robyn and Grant or Peter and Dudley? Anyone else see the Peter Cook and Dudley Moore as folk-rockers thing? I think there's a two-man off-Broadway show in this for them after the tour. - ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Purely political parley (Nader content 99.44%) On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, steve wrote: > Vivien: > >Lucky for you, there are dedicated, tireless people working to bring > >about a more fair, honest, and open electoral process. > > I'm for more fair, honest, and open elections. Supreme Court aside, > you're far more likely to get them by voting for Gore. Nader has zero > chance of being elected. This is the problem. Third party candidates have almost no chance of being elected- especially when un-elected partisan groups like the Commission on Presidential Debates decide on setting debate-entrance requirements that guarantee the exclusion of third party candidates. Especially when the media prefers to pretend that third party candidates are "spoilers" of a democratic system, when in fact they're the surest sign that a democracy is healthy. These problems are not problems necessarily inherent in Nader's campaign, but in the current electoral system's inability to cope with real choice. > Let's do a thought experiment - substitute Nader for Gore as the > Democratic candidate and take a look at the electoral map. Does Nader > carry any of the toss-up states? How about California or New York? How > about the other states where Gore leads? How is this a thought experiment? It seems like rank guessing to me. > Nader is well to the left of any Democratic candidate that I can > think of. The Green Party has a long way to go before it becomes anything > more than a spoiler in national politics. The one-half of the electorate > that does not vote is not going to rise up overnight and become Green > voters, the Green Party will have to build their base over a number of > years. That is what they have been doing, and with the help of the tens of thousands of volunteers that have poured into their ranks because of this campaign, they will continue doing with even greater success. Nader is not running because he thinks he is actually going to be president. He is running to reach out to disaffected voters (I was one), and draw them into the political process so that they can do exactly what you've just said- to do the hard work that will lead them to be a huge politcal force in this country. > If Bush wins, there is absolutely no reason to think that he will lose in > four years. That means a long term administration that is hostile to > every Green Party position and a Supreme Court almost certainly more > hostile to federal regulation. Isn't there already a case this term that > deals with environmental regulation? If Bush wins, I'll eat my shorts. That's a guarantee. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:59:09 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: tik-tok >From: hbrandt > >Bayard wrote: > >> Who else sings their theme song..? > >Archie and Edith. The Monkees. The Douglas's from Green Acres. Mr. Ed >(to name but a few...) The Warner Brothers (and the Warner Sister). The Smurfs. Joel Robinson and Mike Nelson. >From: "Stewart C. Russell" > >John Sladek -- back in March. > >My favourite sf author; "The Reproductive System" is a classic. I've only ever read one book of his (see Subject line) and I loved it. I wonder why I never bothered to seek out any more? No time like the present, now that there is unfortunately a finite number to read. >From: steve > >Actually, I don't know if Ralph still owns any stock, but investment in >one or several corporations is what made his fortune. So, obviously, the >simple act of owing stock does not make you a bad person. Still, I >suppose one corporation may be worse than another. I've owned 5 shares in Oneida Limited since I was a little kid, and it has twisted me into a scarred and diabolical villain. Now that I own stock in the company I work for (http://avantgo.com/) I suspect I am destined for a hunch, a pegleg, an eyepatch, and a curly moustache. Bring it on, baby. Is it too late to sell my soul for "eternal mother-daughter action" (http://www.sinfest.net/...don't worry, it's not a porn site)? Drew - -- - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:03:47 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Purely political parley (Nader content 99.44%) Two things, first to viv: i will never vote for a republican or democrat again, at least not for president. And this year I am not voting reform or libertarian. That leaves lj and nader. I don't think lj has much of a chance except in new england and the florida keys, so nader gets all of me. next: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Viv Lyon wrote: > This is the problem. Third party candidates have almost no chance of being > elected- especially when un-elected partisan groups like the Commission on > Presidential Debates decide on setting debate-entrance requirements that > guarantee the exclusion of third party candidates. Especially when the I like to think of it as a quarantine against the inclusion of anything but the obvious absolutes, ie.. Democrats or Rebublican. Absolutes suck. Yeah Nader is the man, even if just for principle. Wait, that didn't sound right. What I meant was, even though Nader has little or less chance of winning this year, if we get enough people to stop voting 'left' or 'right' then we might one day soon end up with a list of people we feel are actually the best or at least close to the best choices. gss "The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law allegiance. He of all men should behave as though the law compelled him. But it is the universal weakness of mankind that what we are given to administer we presently imagine we own." - -- H.G. Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: tik-tok On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Now that I own stock in the company I work for (http://avantgo.com/) > I suspect I am destined for a hunch, a pegleg, an eyepatch, and a curly > moustache. No, those are things you get if you use Napster. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: speaking of pirates... Did y'all see the RIAA has currently successfully sued the makers of PAN (the Pimp-Ass Newsreader) for their "piracy tool" that is an NNTP usenet client that can decode binaries posted to newsgroups? Yeah... it's EXACTLY like the one used in Netscape Messenger, Microsoft Internet Explorer, and Forte Agent (the latter being by FAR the most popular client for the usenet slurping masses). So why would they target SuperPimpSoft and not the big boys? Well, probably because they wouldn't have a snowball's chance against Microsoft's "IP" attorneys, Netscape was bought by AOL which also owns Time-Warner which owns the Warner Group which is a member of the RIAA itself, and Forte... well, no idea why they didn't go after Forte. PAN isn't even RELEASED yet... it's a 0.9 beta release. It is used almost exclusively on Linux (which makes it a minority of users in the first place) and is what we call Free Software (not just free as in no cost, but Free as in you get the source code and the right to redistribute, modify or whatever you like) under the General Product License of the Free Software Foundation . Four days before the judge released his decision (but after the trial had ended) Napster, Inc. bought SuperPimpSoft. Their justification was twofold: If for some reason, they are forced to shut down their primary servers, they will move to a usenet/NNTP based model and they want the software (this is a weird excuse seeing as how they can use the source code for free anyway) and, more importantly, they have better attorneys to handle the appeal. Magazine publishers such as Playboy are considering similar lawsuits against SuperPimpSoft for their software. Does this make any sense to anyone? Isn't this selective prosecution? PAN does exactly what every newsreader has done since 1995. It's not even a final revision and it's distributed under a model that shows no revenue. Anyway... that's that for now. Je. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:52:40 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: speaking of pirates... Maybe the free exchange of information on the web will be finished soon, and only "approved" content by corporations will be provided to us for a subscription fee (like TV!, and all programs that allow free exchange of digital data of any kind will be restricted (except email I guess....wonder how they would control that....monitor all your email content to ensure that you aren't pirating digital files?) Steve B. (just got back to my computer after many days....still have to respond to quails PoMo post) At 10:01 AM 10/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >Did y'all see the RIAA has currently successfully sued the makers of PAN >(the Pimp-Ass Newsreader) for their "piracy tool" that is an NNTP usenet >client that can decode binaries posted to newsgroups? > >Yeah... it's EXACTLY like the one used in Netscape Messenger, Microsoft >Internet Explorer, and Forte Agent (the latter being by FAR the most >popular client for the usenet slurping masses). > >So why would they target SuperPimpSoft and not the big boys? Well, >probably because they wouldn't have a snowball's chance against >Microsoft's "IP" attorneys, Netscape was bought by AOL which also owns >Time-Warner which owns the Warner Group which is a member of the RIAA >itself, and Forte... well, no idea why they didn't go after Forte. > >PAN isn't even RELEASED yet... it's a 0.9 beta release. It is used almost >exclusively on Linux (which makes it a minority of users in the first >place) and is what we call Free Software (not just free as in no cost, but >Free as in you get the source code and the right to redistribute, modify >or whatever you like) under the General Product License of the Free >Software Foundation . > >Four days before the judge released his decision (but after the trial had >ended) Napster, Inc. bought SuperPimpSoft. Their justification was >twofold: If for some reason, they are forced to shut down their primary >servers, they will move to a usenet/NNTP based model and they want the >software (this is a weird excuse seeing as how they can use the source >code for free anyway) and, more importantly, they have better attorneys to >handle the appeal. > >Magazine publishers such as Playboy are considering similar lawsuits >against SuperPimpSoft for their software. > >Does this make any sense to anyone? Isn't this selective >prosecution? PAN does exactly what every newsreader has done since >1995. It's not even a final revision and it's distributed under a model >that shows no revenue. > >Anyway... that's that for now. > >Je. >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin >_______________________________________________ > [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Review of 10-16-2000 gig The night started well enough when I encountered Doug aka "Mr Pathos" as we were both exiting the metro station. Alas, he was not going to the show, as he had to get up at some ungodly hour this morning. After a bit of catching up (both literal and figurative - he walks swiftly!) we arrived at the "Iota Club and Cafe". (incidentally, Doug's favorite bar.) As I was about to enter the club, who should pop his head out the door but the man himself. "I'm just going out back to carve some pumpkins," Robyn said to no one in particular. I asked him about the prospects for recording the show, and he said that I was welcome to run a tape, but that soundboard access could be tricky as he and grant were already hooked up for recording. I never saw a sound person the entire night, so that was basically that! Chris showed up shortly and we entered the "Cafe" half of the place. He ordered the mushroom-wich to remind himself of whether he liked it or not. The food is pretty good there, if a bit pricy. Anyway, on the the main event. We entered the club section just as RH was making his way from the bar to the stage. The show began rather inauspiciously with "Gene Hackman." I am a devotee, but this song tries my patience. After Queen Elvis and a grant song I think is called "St. Expidite'" They began to hit their stride. "Should we play SKoJ?" Robyn mused. "Or.." I don't remember what the other option was - will have to wait for the tape. I hope it was not something really cool, as I replied, "SKoJ!" And they proceeded to do a quite good version of Sleeping Knights. Grant promised other old "jaw-dropper" songs later in the night, and boy did they deliver! Another theme was made-up songs, and little bits of songs, like Grant doing a hilarious Richard Butler impression that Robyn eventually identified as "Ghost in You". This prompted some excitement from audience members who no doubt link RH to the song due to WHFS' old heavy rotation of Robyn's 12" featuring his cover of the song. Neither this song nor "Spoonman" got too far, however. I would agree with Ben that the top highlight of the night was "I am the Walrus". Robyn remembered all the words and even vocally duplicated the sound effects. All the covers (the complete ones) were quite good, in fact. Those of you who bash Robyn as a covers artist must never have heard him on a good day. As promised, there were four freshly carved jack o' lanterns sharing the stage with grant and robyn. I think each of them did 2 pumpkins - the one on the keyboard looked rather like one of the red lemons from _Respect_ (or am I thinking of _1976-81_?) Let us know if they show up in NY! Robyn did not get his second coffee for a while, and declared in a funny-scary voice, "There must be a penalty! One square of chocolate must you give me!" Someone threw him a Milky Way bar! He and Grant proceeded to share it and Robyn talked about Mars bars and the Milky way, and saved some "for the return trip." "Got any more food?" Grant asked the crowd. All in all, a relaxed intimate and very fun set, more "party-like" than any gig I've been to, save the Kelley Deal 5000 show I saw with Rich at the now-defunct Phantasmagoria in Wheaton. I've never seen two performers dance together while the audience keeps the beat! NYC/Mass people - do not miss any of the forthcoming shows if you can manage it! And record them! =b PS- lots of list-relevant topics laced into the rapid-fire jokes, including GW Bush, musicians as demigods, and a "pseudo-Beatles interview" very funnily recreated by Robyn! Are they reading the list? I doubt it - they're too busy doing this great tour! PPS- a moment of synchronicity - a couple weeks ago i dreamed i was at a robyn gig and he was playing the keyboard, but could not figure out how to work it. This happened! After grant set the synth to weird noises for "Antwoman," RH sat down to play "i used to love you" and said bemusedly, "How do you make it sound like a piano?" He figured it out quickly (and by luck, he said), though. Then this morning my clock radio wakes me up with "Golden Years," as covered the night before. Go figga! PPPS - Though i did not think so at first, I think Grant is the best partner RH has ever worked with live! Keep it up boys! I usually preferred RH solo, but they really bounce off each other nicely. And not being the only performer no doubt is reassuring to someone self-conscious! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:30:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Review of 10-16-2000 gig >I would agree with Ben that the top highlight of the night was "I am the >Walrus". Robyn remembered all the words and even vocally duplicated the >sound effects. All the covers (the complete ones) were quite good, in >fact. Those of you who bash Robyn as a covers artist must never have >heard him on a good day. Vocally duplicated the sound effects, eh? Sounds arch and wacky. Just like so many of Robyn's *other* onstage covers...heh. Did he "hula" during those songs, too? I'm guessing yes, given recent descriptions of him as "rubbery." ;) Eb, unrepentant Robyn-covers-basher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:50:05 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re:theme music/Sladek >>could we go back to discussing Alan Thicke? > >I remember when i was in junior high, he had a show called "Thicke of the >Night". the advertising specified, "He sings his theme song!" We all >said, "So what?" > >Who else sings their theme song, aside from kelsey grammer and fred >rogers? oh, loads of people. Dennis Waterman used to in Minder, for one. And Nick Berry in Heartbeat. Richard O'Sullivan wrote and performed his theme music for Robin's Nest. Morecambe and Wise used to sing theirs. All in the Family. Then we can count the likes of the Brady Bunch, if we really have to. And of course you're forgetting all those tedious seventies variety shows[1]. >John Sladek -- back in March. > >My favourite sf author; "The Reproductive System" is a classic. > >Watch out! I'm Black Scissors in Origami! oh no! My favourite, too!!! Who's going to keep the giraffe burning now??? BTW - Sladek fans, I suggest you try Howard Waldrop's books. James [1] can anyone, please, explain for me why Bobby Goldsboro was necessary, inevitable, or otherwise worthy of any sort of celebrity? The answer has always eluded me. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:26:19 -0400 From: "Disinformant" Subject: Melancholic RH (0% politics) Was listening to the Melancholia station form online radio station Spinner.com tonight (I think someone on the list tipped this one off a while back) and they played "Jesus & Me." Unfortunately they listed the albumn as "Rare Jewels" (?). Looking at their playlist for some of the other stuff they play: Moby, Red House Painters, Nick Drake, Tom Waits, Yo La Tengo, Eels, Billy Bragg & WilcoVic Chesnutt, Husker Du...etc. etc. All and all the playlist has been pretty danged good.... - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:50:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: news: blood seeps from Ralph Nader's outstretched palms, as a devout crowd of millions watches UK The Sun HERE'S the latest bulletin on the downfall of former Pogues star Shane MacGowan. I can reveal Shane has been chucked out of The Priory for the second time in three weeks. Staff decided enough was enough when he threatened a nurse. Shane checked into the clinic in Southgate, North London, three weeks ago to sort out his drink addiction. But only 24 hours later he was thrown out when staff found booze in his room. Last Tuesday, Shane was back in the clinic and an insider told me: "We hope this time we can get him to stay a bit longer." Well, they did manage to keep him there longer ... five days to be exact. Shane has tried before to kick his habit before. In February he was turfed out of The Priory in Roehampton after two weeks for bad behaviour. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:16:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Review of 10-16-2000 gig the nay-sayer sayeth: > Vocally duplicated the sound effects, eh? Sounds arch and wacky. If you think the original is "arch and wacky," perhaps you would have found this to be so. Personally, I was impressed. (So was everyone else who heard it, it seemed.) > Did he "hula" during those > songs, too? I'm guessing yes, given recent descriptions of him as No. The only dancing was during "Golden Years." Rather good, too. > unrepentant You seem to take what I said as directed at you - it wasn't. I wasn't even thinking of you (I was mostly thinking of Aidan, the other "bad vibes merchant." :) =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:25:00 -0400 From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: set lists hi, can anyone tell me if robyn has played multiple gigs in the same city on this tour, like the NY gigs this week. i just got back from the first one, and am wondering if a second gig on thursday. round will be worth the trip. it was a good gig, but the grant to robyn ratio was way too high for me.also, joe's pub was a pain the the ass. they should let you know an advance ticket doesnt mean getting a seat, even arriving an hour early. i sat at the bar, i spent half the nite being the house hard-on, moving people out of my way , people who think nothing of walking up and standing directly in front of you. not my idea of an enjoyable evening, teaching manners to morons. thanks, Mike Hooker ps- i made a nice digital recording, so lets trade! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:57:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Melancholic RH (0% politics) On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Disinformant wrote: > Was listening to the Melancholia station form online radio station > Spinner.com tonight (I think someone on the list tipped this one off a while > back) and they played "Jesus & Me." Unfortunately they listed the albumn as > "Rare Jewels" (?). 'rare jewels' was a 4-song cd promo for _jewels for sophia_ - it featured 2 album cuts and 2 non-album cuts (or at least, non-JfS cuts.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:18:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: please, jeme, this is offensive. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Capuchin wrote: > However, I stand by "under weigh". Me too. I can just about tolerate "under way", but I keep seeing "underway". Ugh! Stewart, what do you think? - - Mike "Me too posts a speciality" Godwin PS And what's all this "bored of" business? Surely it's "bored with"? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:04:48 -0400 From: woj Subject: Re: set lists when we last left our heroes, Mike Hooker exclaimed: > can anyone tell me if robyn has played multiple gigs in the same city on >this tour, like the NY gigs this week. on this tour, robyn & grant played two shows in arlington and probably will play two shows in boston as well. >i just got back from the first one, >and am wondering if a second gig on thursday. round will be worth the trip. if the second arlington show is any indication, the second night will be different from the first. but since they're effectively playing three in the nyc area (maxwell's tonight), who knows what will happen. special bonus for folks attending the second joe's pub show: the company of several fegs including, but not limited to, the great quail, lj, ferris, gary "black bart" asa, and yours truly. speaking of which, is there a plan? based on mike's experience, it might pay to meet/eat at joe's somewhat earlier than a hour before the show. >it was a good gig, but the grant to robyn ratio was way too high for >me. heh. check out some of the anti-robyn faction on the bbs on grant's website. my favorite quotes: "I feel ripped off... Last night I paid $15 dollars to see a drunk old man (robyn) destroy one of my all time favorite singer songwriters." - -- "He isn't drunk, he's just Brittish." - -- >also, joe's pub was a pain the the ass. i *told* you lj! but, no! you wouldn't listen to me! woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:32:37 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Purely political parley (Nader content 99.44%) Viv Lyon: >If Bush wins, I'll eat my shorts. That's a guarantee. I hope that Viv doesn't have to eat her shorts. If she does, we'll be living under an administration that's nothing more than Reagan with a smiley face. - - Steve __________ Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:03:41 -0400 From: woj Subject: Re: [ebmaniax-l] an elite, secret show I WON'T be seeing when we last left our hereos, Eb exclaimed: >I've heard that *PJ Harvey* is playing a secret show at the tiny Viper Room >tonight. looks like it happened: allstar news has a review posted at wherein we discover that starfucking is, in fact, a integral part of a good review. ;) Among the glitteratti on hand were Beck, Sheryl Crow, Stone Temple Pilots' Scott Weiland and Eric Kretz, Anthony Kiedis from Red Hot Chili Peppers, Eric Erlandson from Hole, Zack de la Rocha from Rage Against the Machine, and actress Portia de Rossi from Ally McBeal. Tickets went on sale just an hour before the show. looks like you missed a golden opportunity, Eb! ;) by the way, someone posted mp3s of her new album to usenet a few weeks ago and it's quite good. the opening line in the concert review metnioned a "welcome return to her early-90s straight-ahead rock form" which is an accurate description of the album -- though i have to say that even though i didn't get around to getting her recent "non-rock" albums for too long, i rather liked them a lot too). woj ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #291 *******************************