From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #290 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 17 2000 Volume 09 : Number 290 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: So long, fegmaniax [Viv Lyon ] "the guy was just getting warmed up" [hbrandt ] spreading it on thicke [Bayard ] Re: A moment of hate sponsored by an angry quail [Capuchin ] Re: spreading it on thicke [Capuchin ] Re: spreading it on thicke [Eb ] Re: spreading it on thicke [Glen Uber ] Re: spreading it on thicke [Christopher Gross ] celebrities and trivialities [Eb ] Re: so long, it never actually ends ["JH3" ] neologues and haticles [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] [ebmaniax-l] an elite, secret show I WON'T be seeing [Eb ] Iota Night 2 [Ben ] Re: So long, fegmaniax ["Asa Land" ] setlists, robyn and grant, arlington VA 10-(15,16)-2000 [Bayard ] possible reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Millionaire Nader Owns Stock! (NR) [steve ] Re: A moment of hate sponsored by an angry quail ["Stewart C. Russell" ] The internet thing, again (NR) [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: So long, fegmaniax On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Christopher Gross wrote: > Ah, but where do we draw the line between brooking no criticism of one's > favorite rock star, and merely trying to rebut any criticism of one's > favorite rock star? That's the question. Or one of them. Another > question is, why do people keeping putting greasy used pizza boxes in the > newspaper recycling bin? (Or am I getting off-topic again?) This question haunts me night and day. But what are you supposed to do with them? It seems wrong to throw them in the garbage, but clearly one can't recycle grease. Well, one can, but only if one has it in quantity. I like to save my old bacon grease in a jar, put in the refrigerator, and then throw it out months later when it starts to smell up the joint. But that's not really recycling. I tried scraping the grease off the paper, but that didn't work, so I tried peeling off only the most greasy layer of paper and throwing that away, but the grease actually sinks down to the bottomost layer of paper, so that's no good either. I suppose if one had a fireplace one could use it for kindling. It also might, if torn up into sufficiently small parts, be included in the compost heap. As a final solution, one might attempt to eat it. Oh yeah, the other question is interesting too. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:57:43 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: "the guy was just getting warmed up" More testimony to the influence of Lennon's life in the new Rolling Stone (Al Gore cover). /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: spreading it on thicke >could we go back to discussing Alan Thicke? I remember when i was in junior high, he had a show called "Thicke of the Night". the advertising specified, "He sings his theme song!" We all said, "So what?" Who else sings their theme song, aside from kelsey grammer and fred rogers? And did you list Glenn Close in your list that included Thicke? How is she musical? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: A moment of hate sponsored by an angry quail On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, The Great Quail wrote: > Wow! You are right; I cannot think. My hatred of Kodos is obviously a > creation of the Kang campaign and the media, and has nothing to do at > all with the way I personally react to him. Surely it's the way you personally react to him and you don't need me to validate that. But it's also the way he's purposely depicted. And I was just pointing out that the similarities to 1984 don't end at your emotional respeonse. > Thank you for pointing it out to me; I promise I will begin thinking > for myself; the result of which will *naturally* make me vote for > Nader, as all intelligent people are bound to do, that is, once they > realize that to think any differently is to admit mental slavery to > corporations. Actually, there are all kinds of candidates that aren't beholden to corporations and would represent a thinking person's choice. Nader is one of them, but so are Browne and Buchanan and Moorehead and Harris and McReynolds and Hagelin and Dodge and Layne and Phillips. And pretty much all of them have a mathematical chance of winning (if you sum the states' on which they are on the ballot electoral votes, you get a number that could, if the other states fracture significantly the other candidates votes, come in second or first and that would mean a run-off in the House). Oh, wait... haven't heard of the others? Maybe it's because GE and Disney and Microsoft and AOL and Viacom and NewsCorp haven't been giving heaps of free advertising to them (which makes sense because these same companies have also given heaps of money to Bush and Gore, so why would they support anyone else with their precious media time? Incidentally, we'll be LUCKY if there are this many media companies in four years when we get to vote again. Those six companies account for virtually all of the TV and radio and newspaper you see and hear). I'm saying that the spoonfed candidates (or rather, the candidates we are spoonfed, but in at least Bush's case and maybe Gore's we might actually have spoonfed candidates) aren't philosophically different and aren't really working for the people of the United States of America. > I also see that my very personal cellular loathing of Kodos has > blinded me to the fact that their platforms are really the same; why, > that tricky two-party system! No longer will I say, "Don't blame me, I > voted for Kang!" From now on, to end the war on drugs, to work for > increased tolerance, and to ensure our abortion rights stop eroding, I > will throw my vote away every four years in an orgy of feel-good > self-congratulation. Anything to not give my vote to the agents of the > Slurm corporation! I will feel good and congratulate myself. And you can cower and throw your vote away in an orgy of hate and fear and still not get anything you want ever. By the way, how many people have you heard say "I would vote for , but I don't want to throw my vote away"? That's how many people you know that live in fear. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:12:57 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: spreading it on thicke Bayard wrote: > Who else sings their theme song..? Archie and Edith. The Monkees. The Douglas's from Green Acres. Mr. Ed (to name but a few...) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: spreading it on thicke On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bayard wrote: > >could we go back to discussing Alan Thicke? Apparently that's all we're allowed to discuss: celebrities and trivialities. Leave your mind and soul at the door. > I remember when i was in junior high, he had a show called "Thicke of > the Night". the advertising specified, "He sings his theme song!" > We all said, "So what?" Oh, man... Thicke of the Night. Wasn't that the show that Late Night with David Letterman replaced? > Who else sings their theme song, aside from kelsey grammer and fred > rogers? Drew Carey does, doesn't he? Um... I'm sorry to say that's all I can contribute at the moment. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:29:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: spreading it on thicke >Who else sings their theme song, aside from kelsey grammer and fred >rogers? I assume your question refers to contemporary stars, since there are so many examples from the past. Worst case of recent years: my pet peeve Cybill Shepherd. Thank heavens that show is cancelled. Doesn't *Oprah* sing her theme now, or did she decide this was one act of vanity too many? Drew Carey sang his theme, during the show's early run.... >And did you list Glenn Close in your list that included Thicke? How is >she musical? Well, she has a professionally trained voice, she has starred in the musical "Sunset Boulevard" on Broadway, she played an opera singer in some movie whose title I forget.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: spreading it on thicke >>Who else sings their theme song, aside from kelsey grammer and fred >>rogers? Didn't Paul Reiser sing the theme to that show he did with Helen Hunt? Does Waylon Jennings count? He was in every episode of the Dukes of Hazzard, after all. Don't forget the Brady Kids singing the Brady theme. Oh, yeah...the Partridge Family. Cheers! - -g- "When a woman marries she is complete. When a man marries, he is finished." --Oscar Wilde +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: spreading it on thicke On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Glen Uber wrote: > Didn't Paul Reiser sing the theme to that show he did with Helen Hunt? It's been years, but, I thought that had an instrumental-only theme song. You've all forgotten the most important one of all: The Muppets! - --Chris, who has been likened to Beaker the Muppet ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:08:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: celebrities and trivialities No, that's not all we're allowed to discuss, Jeme. The problem is that whenever a political issue arises, you (and a few other dogmatic crusaders) never can discuss the topic in a civil fashion, and inevitably end up viciously browbeating at length everyone who disagrees with you. All I did was ask where Gore claimed to invent the Internet, and now the list is full of nothing but haughty political diatribes again. Color me ashamed. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:41:09 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: so long, it never actually ends So many questions! So much time to kill! >why do people keeping putting greasy used pizza boxes in the >newspaper recycling bin? Because it gives *next* week's newspaper that ever-compelling fragrance of mozzarella cheese, sausage and pepperoni, that's why! [Mmmm, cheese... I think we're finally getting back on topic.] >could we go back to discussing Alan Thicke? I thought about voting for Alan Thicke, but I decided it would just be throwing my vote away, since he really has no chance against Pat Sajak or Arsenio Hall. (And when is KISS bass- player Gene Simmons going to get his own talk show? Long overdue, if you ask me.) >Who else sings their theme song, aside from kelsey grammer >and fred rogers? That's a good question, but... aren't those two enough? - - John "Oh yeah? Well, just WAIT 'til they try to take away my inalienable right to buy ton after ton of non-recyclable, planned- obsolescence, artificially price-inflated consumer products that are endorsed by poorly-educated, drug-addicted celebrities! I'll show 'em what it means to live in fear, dad-gummit" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:32:24 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: neologues and haticles >> > Gore changes not only the emphases of his speeches, but the tone, text, >> > and philoposhy >> >> Sorry, off topic, but this has to be the coolest typo I've seen in a long >> time! It's my new favorite word. >Yes, but what could it mean? Love of all things posh and fancy? why does the name Beckham come to mind? >>I hate him on a gut level, like every cell in my body has a little >>iota of hate to add, and my heart is a loathstone pulling all that >>hatred together into a black flame of focus; and as the particles of >>spite -- I shall call them haticles -- > >Hey, another new word! It's like this list has become some sort of >etymological petri dish! agreed! The number of new words here has doubled lately - tripled or quarpled, even... oh, and GQ, I wouldn't worry about the haticles. Roger Kerr [1] gets me feeling the same way. James [1] head of NZ business Round Table. Main policies of which are the privatisation of all government-run bodies (from prisons to the customs department to the fire service to... you name it), and the abolition of most forms of social welfare service. You gotta love that guy. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:46:52 -0700 From: Eb Subject: [ebmaniax-l] an elite, secret show I WON'T be seeing I've heard that *PJ Harvey* is playing a secret show at the tiny Viper Room tonight. I seem to be left out in the cold, now that the magic month of September is over. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:38:01 -0400 From: woj Subject: Re: [ebmaniax-l] an elite, secret show I WON'T be seeing when we last left our heroes, Eb exclaimed: >I've heard that *PJ Harvey* is playing a secret show at the tiny Viper Room >tonight. > >I seem to be left out in the cold, now that the magic month of September is >over. ;) well, it's fully autumn now and time to put away your outdoor summer toys. ;) woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:10:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: "rubbery" might be a new adjective... Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:42:18 PDT From: CDNOW_Email_Service Subject: allstar Daily News -- 10/16 ROBYN HITCHCOCK & GRANT LEE PHILLIPS BRING SONGS & LAUGHTER IN TOUR OPENER Having arrived at Philadelphia's Theater of the Living Arts with barely enough time to tune their guitars and scribble some song titles in magic marker on a paper plate, Grant Lee Phillips and Robyn Hitchcock were totally in their element Friday (Oct. 13) evening: under-rehearsed and flying by the seat of their pants on the opening date of their dual acoustic east coast tour dubbed "Grant Lee Hitchcock." As if to magnify the ramshackle nature of the evening, the venue was double-booked with the cookie-cutter modern rock troika of SR-71, Harvey Danger, and Wheatus later in the evening, forcing an early start time of 7 p.m. for Phillips and Hitchcock, and an encore-medley of David Bowie's "Sound & Vision" and "Ashes to Ashes," Dr. Hook's "When You're in Love with a Beautiful Woman," and Carl Douglas' "Kung Fu Fighting" performed sans amplification in a jam-packed lobby for 150 or so fans when the duo went over the allotted stage time. Bringing the humorously informal spirit of Los Angeles singer-songwriter haven Largo (where Phillips and Hitchcock have teamed-up in the past) to the east coast, the duo's 75-minute set could have easily doubled as a workshop in bizarre improvisational storytelling with musical accompaniment. Standing center stage with acoustic guitars and a grand piano at their disposal, the lanky and rubbery Hitchcock and the comparatively diminutive Phillips managed to dwarf the menacing banks of Marshall amps and drum kits behind them with songs that plucked heart strings and raw nerves (Phillips' solo and Grant Lee Buffalo paeans to love lost, found, or hopelessly unrequited) and tickled funny bones (Hitchcock's punk-folk rave-ups that lampooned everything from ubiquitous thespians like Gene Hackman to the pomp and circumstance of big rock). To introduce Hitchcock's classic ode to a female Elvis impersonator "Queen Elvis," the pair traded barbs in dead-on Elvis speak. Other dead rockers were fodder as well. Hitchcock quipped that deceased cult icon Nick Drake has "finally gone overground" thanks to Volkswagen's commercial use of his music before performing the semi-poignant "I Saw Nick Drake" off his current Internet-only outtakes release, A Star for Bram. While the banter, particularly Hitchcock's, got a bit long winded at times (though lines like Phillips', "In Indian music, this is 75 percent of the show," while Hitchcock loudly tuned his guitar were priceless) there was always the music to keep things on track. The disparity in their voices -- Phillips' shifting from goose-bump inducing falsetto to leathery baritone; Hitchcock's a heavily anglicized form of sing-speak -- was utilized to great effect. Both voices became one on Hitchcock's straight and sweet "I Feel Beautiful." And when Phillips' falsetto raced toward the heavens on Grant Lee Buffalo tunes like "Mockingbirds" and "Fuzzy," Hitchcock lent anchoring vocal and guitar support back here on earth. Though they seem like strange bedfellows on paper, Phillips and Hitchcock proved that on the 'ol wood and wire, their musical union makes perfect -- albeit somewhat off-kilter -- sense. - Pat Berkery ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Subject: Iota Night 2 Tonight's show was the show of 1000 cover versions! We were treated to 2 encores and I thibk Grant and Robyn played every song they could think of, and a few that didn't exist! I'll just list all the songs they played in no order since I can't remember the order: Gene Hackman - opened the show with Grant playing keyboard insted of slide guitar like last night. Queen Elvis I Saw Nick Drake Antwoman - Great to hear this live! It started with Grant playing a loud bass sound coupled with a cymbal on the synthesizer, then he joined on guitar. Then after the song ended they paused for a bit and then went into a jam on the song! Very heavy groove! Dark Princess Cynthia Mask Sleeping Knights Of Jesus - another surprise selection from IODOT! I Used To Love You - played on piano without Grant Satellite Of Love - Robyn on piano and Grant on guitar! Beautiful! I Am The Walrus - Amazing! Grant played strings on the keyboard and Robyn sang and played a percussion tomato (that being a plastic tomato filled with seeds or something!)... this was an outstanding version, I can't believe Robyn can remember all those words and Grant played perfectly! I think it must have been the highlight of the show! Golden Years - Robyn did another dance sort of like last night while Grant played and then Grant stopped playing and they danced together while the crowd kept the beat! They also sang some of Fame on this one! All I Have To Do Is Dream - yes Robyn and Grant take on the role of Phil and Don for this cover, interesting choice and well done!!! Across the Universe - this closed the show, they had some chord troubles at the first attempt but then got it together for a great version trading off the vocals. There were also some great improvised songs and Robyn and Grant eating a Milky Way bar with some amazing chocolate flavor! These two shows were the loosest and most intimate I have seen, a feeling enhanced by the size of this venue. I hope Robyn plays there again and next time makes it three or four nights!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:00:39 EDT From: "Asa Land" Subject: Re: So long, fegmaniax Lennon was a major cultural figure and force, which has nothing to do with with the fact that space aliens have kidnapped his corpse in an attempt to reaminate it into a godlike-form whose shit doens't smell so that they can take over earth. Just wanted to clear that up for the record. (I know this cause Im wearing my Beatle John wig(circa 1965)with aluminium foil antenna, and thats what his voice is telling me to tell you.) K _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: setlists, robyn and grant, arlington VA 10-(15,16)-2000 Two setlists - obviously the latter one, being noted by me, is light on grantsong info. (1) from the grant lee phillips dot com bulletin board: IOTA Club and Cafe, October 15, 2000 Cynthia Mask Squint Queen Elvis Heavenly The Man With A Lightbulb Head I Feel Beautiful Mighty Joe Moon Honey Don't Think Gene Hackman The Hook Dark Princess Don't Look Down Uncorrected Personality Traits Trams of old london Fuzzy encore: happiness (grant solo) lonestar song (grant solo) A robyn song (robyn solo) a bob dylan song (robyn solo) a medly of 70's+80's songs (!) including when you're in love with a beautiful woman and kung fu fighting (2) IOTA Club and Cafe, October 16 2000 (=b) Gene Hackman Queen Elvis Experi Retail? (grant song) Ye Sleeping Knights of Jesus (my request) Spoonman (just a fragment) Heavenly (grant song) The Ghost In You (just a fragment - grant on hilarious vocalizations) Lonesome Serenade (g) Dark Princess My Jolly Mouth (improv) Mighty Joe Moon (g) I Saw Nick Drake (introduced as "Unzip my teeth like Cherry Jilliam" and dedicated to tim keegan) 'Coax you to talk.. tea leaves and TV' (g) Antwoman Four Lonely Lamps (FANTASTIC improv featuring a capella doo-wop and manic strumming by both) Fuzzy (g) first encore: I Used to Love You (robyn solo on keyboard piano) Happiness ?(g) I am the Walrus -> The Rose (grant on keyboard strings and bass chanting, robyn on vocals, shaker and sound effects, audience joining in on the "woooo!"'s - amazing) Mockingbirds (g) Cynthia Mask (with very cool intricate picked outtro) All I Have to Do is Dream Satellite of Love (robyn on piano) Golden Years -> Fame (robyn on dance) second encore: Across the Universe Tonight's show was phenomenal. I'll write up a longer review as soon as I can. And great news: A grant lee fan named Tim minidisced both nights! (minidisced? yet another new word?) =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:58:35 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: "rubbery" might be a new adjective... At 11:47 PM -0400 10/16/00, Eb (by way of woj wrote: > >grand piano at their disposal, the lanky and rubbery Shouldn't that be "lean and rubbery"? Drew - -- - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:04:49 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: very belated reap John Sladek -- back in March. My favourite sf author; "The Reproductive System" is a classic. Watch out! I'm Black Scissors in Origami! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:05:43 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: possible reap Mel Carnahan, governor of MO. Missing, presumed dead, in a plane crash. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:13:57 -0500 From: steve Subject: Millionaire Nader Owns Stock! (NR) Actually, I don't know if Ralph still owns any stock, but investment in one or several corporations is what made his fortune. So, obviously, the simple act of owing stock does not make you a bad person. Still, I suppose one corporation may be worse than another. Vivien: >Have we sunk so far that we not only EXPECT to be lied to, but >consider it necessary and right? Chris, a politican should >attempt to get elected based on what she or he actually believes >is the right thing to do, not based on what he or she believes >the public thinks is the right thing to do. Gore doesn't have >any intention of following through on his promises- that IS >evil, even if it is par for the course in politics. Al Gore is a politician, and he wants to be President. For eight years he has been Vice President in an administration that has in sum, I think, ended up on the positive side of the ledger. (Yes, there are areas where I think they are completely wrong - the Drug War, for instance. And there are areas where I would have used different policies toward the same end, as well as areas where I think they were essentially correct.) Based on his record, I think Gore has the potential to be a very good President. And I do not think that he simply lying about his policy positions in order to be elected. On the other hand, I think that the persona that Bush is presenting to the American public is simply made up from next to nothing. I say again, his claims of accomplishment as Governor are so exaggerated that they verge on outright falsehood. Based on what he has done (or not done) in Texas, I think that his would turn out to be a rather bad administration. Why? Because I see no reason to think that it would be much different from the last two Republican administrations. And it is a toss-up as to rather there will be a Republican controlled House and Senate to go along with it. Vivien: >Lucky for you, there are dedicated, tireless people working to bring >about a more fair, honest, and open electoral process. I'm for more fair, honest, and open elections. Supreme Court aside, you're far more likely to get them by voting for Gore. Nader has zero chance of being elected. Gore has said that he will submit McCain/Feingold to the Congress. You may think I'm insane, but I think he will - there's no reason to think that he wouldn't be as happy (as a politician) to function under that system rather than the one we have now (if not more so). And the Supreme Court needs a couple of Gore appointments before election reform is even possible. - ---------- Let's do a thought experiment - substitute Nader for Gore as the Democratic candidate and take a look at the electoral map. Does Nader carry any of the toss-up states? How about California or New York? How about the other states where Gore leads? It is very very hard for a Democrat to get elected President. The aggressively centrist Bill Clinton got 42% of the vote in 1992 and 49% in 1996. Nader is well to the left of any Democratic candidate that I can think of. The Green Party has a long way to go before it becomes anything more than a spoiler in national politics. The one-half of the electorate that does not vote is not going to rise up overnight and become Green voters, the Green Party will have to build their base over a number of years. If Bush wins, there is absolutely no reason to think that he will lose in four years. That means a long term administration that is hostile to every Green Party position and a Supreme Court almost certainly more hostile to federal regulation. Isn't there already a case this term that deals with environmental regulation? - - Steve One more thing - it's ridiculous to blame the Clinton/Gore administration for the decline in the availability of abortion services. There are limits to what they can do in this area. __________ More confirmation that we have a vast sucking noise running for president. - Dahlia Lithwick on the Bush wedding video ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:48:36 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: A moment of hate sponsored by an angry quail The Great Quail wrote: > > And I hate the way 50% of > the rest of America can't seem to notice that he is so clearly the > antichrist! He is Tik-Tok, John Sladek's amoral robot with the broken Asimov circuits. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Millionaire Nader Owns Stock! (NR) steve wrote: > Actually, I don't know if Ralph still owns any stock, but investment > in one or several corporations is what made his fortune. So, > obviously, the simple act of owing stock does not make you a bad > person. Still, I suppose one corporation may be worse than another. of course, Nader has never said he was against capitalism -- far from it. in fact, he has said that there are forms of corporate welfare he would support. what he has dedicated his life's work to it forcing corporations to be responsible to the citizens of the country/planet, rather than the current neo-feudalist system where it's the other way around [practical reasons for voting for gore deleted] > One more thing - it's ridiculous to blame the Clinton/Gore > administration for the decline in the availability of abortion > services. There are limits to what they can do in this area. there is one major thing they could have done that they haven't: charge Operation Rescue, etc, under the RICO statutes and under anti-domestic terrorists laws, which the more fascistic elements of the so-called pro-life movement have flaunted all over the place. but as Clinton proved with the gays in the military thing, Clinton-Gore spook VERY easily. ===== "Freedom is participation in power." -- Cicero __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:23:39 -0500 From: steve Subject: The internet thing, again (NR) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001016/pl/gore_dc_1.html And some sad news, on more than one level - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001017/pl/crash_missouri_dc_10.html - - Steve __________ Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #290 *******************************