From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #288 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, October 16 2000 Volume 09 : Number 288 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Iota Night 1 review [Ben ] Re: he also invented the listserv [Bayard ] Re: he also invented the listserv [Chris Gillis ] Re: he also invented the listserv ["J. Brown" ] ugh, eek, oof [Eb ] [-0% RH] Augustus Carp, Esq: by Himself ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: indie country ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: alt country ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: eerie ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Iota gig notes ["Scott Hunter McCleary" ] Iota have told ya ["Scott Hunter McCleary" ] So long, fegmaniax ["Benalto" ] Re: he also invented the listserv [steve ] BDB: standing in one place for 150 minutes ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: So long, fegmaniax [GSS ] Re: So long, fegmaniax [Vivien Lyon ] Re: So long, fegmaniax [Capuchin ] Re: he also invented the listserv [Capuchin ] Re: he also invented the listserv [Christopher Gross ] Re: he also invented the listserv [Vivien Lyon ] Librarian humor/alt country/TLA setlist mistake ["Asa Land" ] RE: he also invented the listserv ["Brian Huddell" Subject: Iota Night 1 review This show found Robyn and Grant in great spirits with lots of interesting songs and they were obviously having a good time! It opened with Cynthia Mask and Grant tried to add some keyboard but I guess it was turned off cuz he couldn't get anything out of it so he went back to playing guitar. They played another one from Eye, that being Queen Elvis and it was done like most versions with the "pulsating" harmonica. A surprise was the version of Uncorrected Personality Traits which was done with a country style interpretation and the crowd loved it! Grant got Robyn to try out Lightbulb Head, and first he started in the wrong key, so he switched to the correct key and played it. But then he stopped after the line "do you still smear yourself with jam" and said something to the effect of "why did I write that???" and that was it for that number. Another one I was glad to hear was Trams Of Old London, I don't think I ever heard this one before live! For the encores Robyn played alone on Chinese Bones and a cover of Dylan's It's Not Dark Yet, from the Time Out Of Mind album! Then he dropped the guitar and did some krazee dancing as he and Grant did a medley with Sound And Vision and a bunch of disco snippits including Kung Fu Fighting! It was a bizarre dance like I have never seen! The finale was a cover of Ashes To Ashes, again Robyn just sang and danced while Grant played guitar and sang. Robyn added his vocalization of the weird piano you hear on Ashes to Ashes studio version too! Those were the highlights IMO. Some of the other standard numbers played were Gene Hackman, Dark Princess, I Feel Beautiful, and I think that sums up all the Robyn numbers. Grant played about as many as Robyn, and he played a few songs on his own for the encore. He also added keyboard to some of Robyn's numbers. But I am not familiar with his music so I cannot tell you the titles that were played. They were selling A Star For Bram and a Grant CD and a t-shirt with the "boxing poster" drawing on it. Though it was supposed to start at 8:30 they didn't come on until around 9:00 and finished about 10:45. Robyn was wearing a green and black (maybe dark purple) striped shirt and blue trousers, and he wore some Lennon style glasses for part of the time. See you there tomorrow night!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:29:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv > > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm > > This site is an excellent reference for checking on something you've heard > > "that's going around." > > Well, despite Eb not wanting further commentary, I simply must speak to > Bayard's post. > > This snopes page is wrong wrong wrong. Read it again - esp. the third of four paragraphs. It says the same thing you said in your followup. But without the political frothing. > Al Gore neither created the internet, paved the way for creating the > internet, or helped the public get access to the internet. Right. But Vint Cerf would disagree with you and snopes, apparently. (See link on snopes page referenced above.) I stand by my assessment of snopes. =b "If we talk about stuff Eb doesn't like, does it create an Eric Burden?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:38:19 -0700 From: Chris Gillis Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv Bayard wrote: > > =b "If we talk about stuff Eb doesn't like, does it create an Eric > Burden?" Finally, something funny out of all these sissy political posturing debate. Turns some of into animals with the delete key. Kindly, .chris - -- chris@photogenica.net http://photogenica.net - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bayard wrote: > > > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm > > > This site is an excellent reference for checking on something you've heard > > > "that's going around." > > > > Well, despite Eb not wanting further commentary, I simply must speak to > > Bayard's post. > > > > This snopes page is wrong wrong wrong. > > Read it again - esp. the third of four paragraphs. It says the same thing > you said in your followup. But without the political frothing. And if you add the phrase "as we know it". Gore's intent is a bit clearer. It's still an exageration but not a lie. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:55:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: ugh, eek, oof http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ebaytag1=ebayreg&ht=1&query=radiohead&ebaytag1code=0&SortProperty=MetaHighestPriceSort ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:22:34 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: [-0% RH] Augustus Carp, Esq: by Himself Some of you will probably like this: http://www.eldritchpress.org/carp/ It's a "lost" classic of English humour. UK fegs probably shouldn't read it as it's still in copyright here. The illustrator styled herself "Robin", which sounds a bit like... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:05:48 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Wake up, Dave, it's time for your Van Morrison On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, corin lang wrote: > http://users.senet.com.au/~tortoise/index.html > go hither to view all this and more dreadful boring shit that could > only possibly of interest to shrivelled up old ex -hippies like Godwin > and myself If I'm a shrivelled up ex-hippie, then why doesn't my green velvet jacket button up any more? - - Mike Godwin PS My house contract didn't get exchanged on Friday after all, as one of the six buyers in the "chain" wasn't at home to sign the contract. In other countries, does everyone have to do this simultaneously? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:25 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Yo La Tengo - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - - -- fegmaniax-digest is rumored to have mumbled on Sonntag, 15. Oktober 2000 23:35 Uhr -0400 regarding fegmaniax-digest V9 #287: > PS: anyone got any opinions on Yo La Tengo's "And then nothing turned > itself inside out"? I think it's absolutely fantastic. It took me a few 'listenings' to get it, but now it's definitely one of my favorite YLT albums. Most of the songs are very quiet, so don't expect another Electropura or Painful. I saw them live three times this summer, after not having seen them for about four years. Boy, did I realise what I'd missed all that time... I think the songs are very touching. Usually with YLT you can't make a lot of sense of the lyrics, but this time they're rather personal in nature. Disclaimer: I've known YLT for 11 years now, so in a way they seem like old friends. To me, they can't do wrong... :-) Cheers, Sebastian - - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldgürtel 156, 50823 Köln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Mulberry PGP Plugin v2.0 Comment: processed by Mulberry PGP Plugin iQA/AwUBOerlbhl7BplNEFtFEQJ5+QCfQ45BJDEwDinm97wjdm8ip4fm50AAnjmH RWmF6thOmWjbAjgVR0cgA1NC =ah3J - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:26:05 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: indie country I remember a band from the early 80's that were a member of the so-called Cowpunk movement. They were Rand and File. They put out 2 LP's and then disappeard. 2 brothers fronted the band. They later formed another band called the Bluebirds. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: jbranscombe@compuserve.com [mailto:jbranscombe@compuserve.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:43 PM To: fegmaniax Subject: indie country I've had rather a dodgy bet with a friend who seems to reckon that alt.country came sorta out of nowhere. I know that The Mekons and I su[ppose, to a certain extent, Nick Cave were into C&W well before that. Does anyone, Brits especially, remember a movement called Cowpunk (it did exist, I just can't remember any exponents) or anyone other Indie types who used Country as a starting point in the 80s and 90s? jmbc Not counting the sleeping knights of Jesus. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:32:01 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: alt country James Dignan wrote: > > Guadalcanal Diary, The Hoodoo Gurus, and The Cruel Sea all spring to mind. > And what about Michelle Shocked and k.d.lang? I thought it was a side-route from paisley-underground, rediscovering country like The Byrds. Kind of like a No Depression kind of thing, Sid Griffin and all. > PS: anyone got any opinions on Yo La Tengo's "And then nothing turned > itself inside out"? love it. - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:35:07 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: eerie Dolph Chaney wrote: > > [Al:] The Beatles. > - ------------------------- > > so hey -- if "Weird Al" agrees... what does that say? that my cover's blown, I guess. I represent part of a cynical syndicate; Weird Al is our front man. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:25:16 -0700 From: "Scott Hunter McCleary" Subject: Iota gig notes Okay -- was I the only Feg at last night's gig? Very enjoyable evening -- loosest I've seen Robyn since the Respect tour w/Andy and Morris. He and Grant are a real hoot together, and it's nice to see two guys who get such a charge out of what they're doing and each other. Coupla notes, I may write more tonight. 1) About 175 people there -- which is a lot for the Iota. Place filled up early. Very few chairs -- alas, I am getting too old to stand in one spot on concrete for two and a half hours. 2) Blue and green horizontal striped shirt (a la Element of Light), blue pants throughout. Sunglasses only came down off the top of his head for one number. Strange -- I always thought Robyn had longer legs. Maybe it was the horizontal stripes. 3) Taping -- did someone (Bayard?) say something about patching off Grant's deck? I cruised by the sound board several times, and it didn't appear that anyone was taping off of it with anything. Not much room for doing so anyway -- this is a tiny venue. 4) I don't have a set list -- but neither did they, apparently. Well, actually, Robyn said that their set list got wet in Philadelphia and they were having trouble reading it. Overall, a lot of this show seemed fairly freeform. But it sounds like they opened with the same "name" numbers as Philadelphia. Several songs I didn't expect: Man with the Light Bulb Head, Trams of Old London, and Uncorrected Personality Traits. - ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:41:32 -0700 From: "Scott Hunter McCleary" Subject: Iota have told ya I'm a digest subscriber, so any Iota-related questions should be send to me here, since there's no telling when another digest will wend its way myward. Merci - ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:33:39 -0500 From: "Benalto" Subject: So long, fegmaniax And it's only been a short time. But I can't believe I'm on a mailing = list where people are actually ARGUING the worth of Lennon. I would = expect this from some crappy newsgroup, but really now...I haven't the = time to sort the wheat from the chaff. I was hoping to meet people I'd = actually have something to talk about with. IRK. OH WELL. I'm not 100% pissy. I'll prove it. First person to email me with my = favourite Lennon solo song, I'll burn you "Rob Bob And Albert" and send = it out tomorrow. And you Lennon haters - well....have a nice life!=20 DISGRUNTLED ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:59:12 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv Chris Gillis: >Finally, something funny out of all these sissy political posturing >debate. Posturing? I think Chris is making a joke? Most Fegs, I think, will be less than pleased with a Bush administration. Look, Bush's whole campaign is pretty much a lie, here's something from Reuters: >The Gore campaign planned to hold a news conference in St. >Louis on Monday with three Democratic Texas legislators, who >charge Bush has exaggerated state spending on health care for >uninsured state residents. >In last week's debate, Bush said, ``We spent $4.7 billion a year in >the state of Texas for uninsured people.'' >The three Democratic Texas legislators, in a letter to Gore >released on Monday, said $3.5 billion of the amount comes not >from the state but instead from charitable care provided by >hospitals, doctors, charities and local governments. This is the kind of fraud perpetrated whenever Bush talks about an "accomplishment". - - Steve "I hear this Republican message that we're rich as hell and we're not going to take it any more. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm paying taxes at a lower rate than my secretary ... and frankly I think that's crazy." - Warren Buffett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:14:35 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: BDB: standing in one place for 150 minutes A few hours before some of you were enjoying the Iota gig, I saw Badly Drawn Boy play Glasgow. He was on for more that two and a half hours, became shambling drunk by the end of the gig (he saw off most of a bottle of Jim Beam whilst on stage) but was astonishingly able to play most intricately. Strongly recommended that folks go to see him before his liver packs in. He won't be what you expect (esp. if you know the delicately produced album), but you'll probably enjoy it, and leave with a feeling you definitely witnessed something. - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:51:45 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: So long, fegmaniax > And you Lennon haters - well....have a nice life! You too! There's a good chance that your leaving here means you'll never have to deal with another less-than-reverent word about John Lennon for the rest of your life. You have to admit that such views are pretty hard to find, especially when they're well thought out and interestingly stated. I would miss the hell out of being challenged like that. So I'll mark the occasion of Benalto's departure by taking a moment to thank all you Lennon revisionists and Rush and Monkees and Claudine Longet apologists and human-placenta gourmands (we probably lost a few with that thread as well) and everyone else who keeps me from getting too comfortable and lazy with my opinions. Okay, I'm getting a little choked up now ... Aw, get outta here ya knuckleheads! - -brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:22:17 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: So long, fegmaniax On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Benalto wrote: > And it's only been a short time. But I can't believe I'm on a mailing = > list where people are actually ARGUING the worth of Lennon. I would = Join NAMBLA, they agree on almost everything. gss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: So long, fegmaniax - --- Benalto wrote: > And it's only been a short time. But I can't believe I'm on a > mailing = > list where people are actually ARGUING the worth of Lennon. I > would = > expect this from some crappy newsgroup, but really now...I > haven't the = > time to sort the wheat from the chaff. I was hoping to meet > people I'd = > actually have something to talk about with. IRK. OH WELL. If all you want to do is rant about how great so-and-so is (even so great a so-and-so as Lennon), then you'd best be off. Around these parts we talk about things in a lot more depth, and you'd better be prepared to read some things you disagree with. That's what fegmaniax is about- people sharing REAL opinions, not rock-star worshipping groupthink. I guess you weren't prepared for an honest conversation. Good luck to you. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: So long, fegmaniax On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Benalto wrote: > And it's only been a short time. But I can't believe I'm on a mailing = > list where people are actually ARGUING the worth of Lennon. I would = > expect this from some crappy newsgroup, but really now...I haven't the = > time to sort the wheat from the chaff. I was hoping to meet people I'd = > actually have something to talk about with. IRK. OH WELL. I think Brian Huddell said everything I wanted to say (as well as GSS), but I do think it's worth restating. Guess what? Lennon's not God. In fact, far as I can tell, nobody is and there are damned few people in history that can make a reasonably compelling claim that they were (not that I believe any of them). It's quite possibly to have taste, integrity, intelligence, and soul whilst still finding Lennon to be an overrated pop star (as every pop star is). So anyway, go back to the world of One Opinion and don't waste your time on the chaff of disagreement. > And you Lennon haters - well....have a nice life!=20 It's going great so far! (I hope we get the house, I hope we get the house, I hope we get the...) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, steve wrote: > Posturing? I think Chris is making a joke? No, Chris has "ironic detachment" [TM and (c) David Geffen Company]. This makes all sincere belief and evangelism of those beliefs into "posturing" or "a winking joke" or "pathetic". > Most Fegs, I think, will be less than pleased with a Bush administration. And most Americans (unless you're one of the lucky filthy rich) will be less than pleased with a Gore administration. I don't think knocking Gore is supporting Bush nor vice versa. > Look, Bush's whole campaign is pretty much a lie, here's something from > Reuters: > This is the kind of fraud perpetrated whenever Bush talks about an > "accomplishment". And the whole Gore campaign is a lie. I'm not going to find the quote just for the purpose of mimicking your non-sequitor post (though the idea does appeal to me), but Reuters reported just about three weeks ago that Gore's speeches fluctuate emphases EXACTLY with public opinion polls. And while he claimed at his sham convention that he's going to fight big insurance and media, he's taken MILLIONS of dollars from many of those companies he claims he wants to fight. You can talk all you want about "the lesser of two evils", but first, ask yourself which is more evil; the evil that makes its evil claims clear or the evil that hides behind a face of populism. And then realize that evil is evil and you don't have to settle for it. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:45:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Capuchin wrote: > And the whole Gore campaign is a lie. I'm not going to find the quote > just for the purpose of mimicking your non-sequitor post (though the idea > does appeal to me), but Reuters reported just about three weeks ago that > Gore's speeches fluctuate emphases EXACTLY with public opinion polls. What?! He's trying to appeal to the public so that they'll vote for him? My God, the man IS evil! Chris, now off to throw stones at a hornet's nest ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Christopher Gross wrote: > > And the whole Gore campaign is a lie. I'm not going to find the quote > > just for the purpose of mimicking your non-sequitor post (though the idea > > does appeal to me), but Reuters reported just about three weeks ago that > > Gore's speeches fluctuate emphases EXACTLY with public opinion polls. > > What?! He's trying to appeal to the public so that they'll vote for > him? My God, the man IS evil! I guess I should have gone on to point out that these opinions are contrary to the ideals put forward by his legislation when he was a congressman or the will of the people paying for his campaign. Wait... I thought I did do that. Lying is saying things that aren't true. That means both purposely misstating the facts of the past and purposely making promises you have no intention of keeping in the future. Bush and Gore are both liars. I think the record is clear. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv - --- Christopher Gross wrote: re: Gore's blatant and disingenous pandering: > What?! He's trying to appeal to the public so that they'll > vote for > him? My God, the man IS evil! Have we sunk so far that we not only EXPECT to be lied to, but consider it necessary and right? Chris, a politican should attempt to get elected based on what she or he actually believes is the right thing to do, not based on what he or she believes the public thinks is the right thing to do. Gore doesn't have any intention of following through on his promises- that IS evil, even if it is par for the course in politics. Lucky for you, there are dedicated, tireless people working to bring about a more fair, honest, and open electoral process. Cynicism is easy, but it doesn't get you anywhere. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:04:53 EDT From: "Asa Land" Subject: Librarian humor/alt country/TLA setlist mistake _ >since my own CDs are in complete disarray -- since >we like LISTEN to 'em and stuff -- I figured I was no >authority-phile. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. > Hey Dolf, I love it, librarian puns. Authority-phile, JeesMariees. For alt country stuff-didnt Costello do something pretty early on. Late 70s? I made a mistake in the TLA setlist. I Feel Beautiful was in there, I think tween Antwoman and Trams. K _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Vivien Lyon wrote: > --- Christopher Gross wrote: > re: Gore's blatant and disingenous pandering: > > What?! He's trying to appeal to the public so that they'll > > vote for > > him? My God, the man IS evil! > > Have we sunk so far that we not only EXPECT to be lied to, but > consider it necessary and right? Well, of course that's not what I'm meant, and I'm sure you're very well aware of that. If you go back to Jeme's original post, you'll see that he said that the emphases of Gore's speeches were shifting in response to polls. Not that Gore was changing his policies or goals, you'll note, just that he was changing the *emphases* that he put on them. Like, for example, if polls showed a lot of interest in toner recycling in VA offices, Gore would start mentioning his federal office supplies policy in his campaign speeches. That doesn't seem so bad to me -- certainly not worthy of the word "lie," let alone the word "evil." Therefore I decided to set my Standard Sarcasm Generator on medium and hit the button once. If that was an inappropriate response, I'm sorry. > Gore doesn't have > any intention of following through on his promises- that IS > evil, even if it is par for the course in politics. Lucky for > you, there are dedicated, tireless people working to bring about > a more fair, honest, and open electoral process. [beep!] Not to mention dedicated, tireless psychics ferretting out Gore's intentions for me. > Cynicism is easy, but it doesn't get you anywhere. [beep!] Which is appropriate to mention because Lord knows, cynicism is the only possible explanation for not agreeing with something a Nader supporter posts. - --Chris the button pusher ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: he also invented the listserv On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Christopher Gross wrote: > Well, of course that's not what I'm meant, and I'm sure you're very well > aware of that. If you go back to Jeme's original post, you'll see that he > said that the emphases of Gore's speeches were shifting in response to > polls. Not that Gore was changing his policies or goals, you'll note, > just that he was changing the *emphases* that he put on them. Like, for > example, if polls showed a lot of interest in toner recycling in VA > offices, Gore would start mentioning his federal office supplies policy in > his campaign speeches. That doesn't seem so bad to me -- certainly not > worthy of the word "lie," let alone the word "evil." Therefore I decided > to set my Standard Sarcasm Generator on medium and hit the button > once. If that was an inappropriate response, I'm sorry. Gore changes not only the emphases of his speeches, but the tone, text, and philoposhy of his campaign, depending on which way the polls are blowing. This is dishonest, and doesn't bespeak a man of great integrity. > [beep!] Not to mention dedicated, tireless psychics ferretting out Gore's > intentions for me. You don't need a psychic to tell you that Gore owns a great deal of stock in Occidental Oil, did not protest the Salvage Rider Act, takes huge amounts of money from all manner of corporate behemoths, etc. etc. > > Cynicism is easy, but it doesn't get you anywhere. > > [beep!] Which is appropriate to mention because Lord knows, cynicism is > the only possible explanation for not agreeing with something a Nader > supporter posts. Beep. I wasn't referring to your cynicism in not supporting Nader- for all know, you disagree with most of what he says, so you shouldn't support him. What I found disconcerting was your apparent level of comfort with being systematically lied to and betrayed. But hey, if you don't think Gore is lying, vote for him. Good on you. Vivien ps- "beep" is the title of one of my favorite sci-fi short stories, by James Blish. I may have mentioned this before. pps- I have me a new mail account: vivlyon@bitmine.net. Yay. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:59:21 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: he also invented the listserv > Gore changes not only the emphases of his speeches, but the tone, text, > and philoposhy Sorry, off topic, but this has to be the coolest typo I've seen in a long time! It's my new favorite word. Carry on. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #288 *******************************