From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #284 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 12 2000 Volume 09 : Number 284 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: just for fun??? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: just for fun [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: just for fun [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: just for fun ["J. Brown" ] Re: Just For Fun ["Bradley Wood" ] Re: Beatlestuff [Eb ] Re: Just For Fun [Eclipse ] Re: just for fun [Eb ] more just for fun cataloguing problems [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dign] Re: antipodean humour... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: just for fun [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Fwd: The Posies Box Set [steve ] ALICE COOPER ["Jack Tripper" ] Re: just for fun ["J. Brown" ] Prison Drugs etc... [Eleanore Adams ] Idiot record companies fail again? [steve ] Lennon - we all should care! [Eleanore Adams ] Re: ALICE COOPER [Brett Cooper ] Re: just for fun [Brett Cooper ] Re: Lennon - we all should care! ["J. Brown" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:18:17 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: just for fun??? >This is insane, but I can't resist this. Ask LJ -- my CD collection >is *meticulously* organized: hmm, me too, but I'd get A Certain Ratio Alice Cooper The Beatles Eric Burdon & the Animals Jethro Tull 999 ? and the Mysterions The Rutles The Ruts 10cc but what do we do with the albums of the artist now once again known as Prince? and Bill Direen/Bilderine? and T.Rex/Tyrannosaurus Rex? and the boxed set "Consequences" - officially listed as being by Creme and Godley? ("burn them" is not the type of answer I'm looking for here) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: just for fun Eb wrote: > I have a hard time getting excited about this thread, but I'll just > note that I agree with Christopher Gross. ;) > The period issue: A.C. Marias, before or after Able Tasmans? B.A.L.L. > before or after Badfinger? P.M. Dawn, before or after Painkiller? R.E.M. before Ramones. that said, if I had a B.A.L.L. record I probably not count the periods because it's pronounced as one word. cuz that's what i was taught by my mother, the secretary > Ben Folds Five, under "B" or "F"? F > David Thomas albums: Chronological, or grouped by backing bands "The > Wooden Birds," "Foreigners," "Two Pale Boys" and "The Pedestrians"? Or > similar name-vs.-backing-band issues with Elvis Costello, Robyn > Hitchcock, Graham Parker, Neil Young... Costello; Costello & Attractions; Costello & Brodskys; Costello Show Costello & Frisell & Costello & Nieve are with Live albums, but are in that order Hitchcock; Hitchcock & Egyptians Young; Young & Crazy Horse > Which comes first, Richard Thompson or Richard & Linda Thompson? Richard, then Richard & Linda > Ciccone Youth, under "Sonic" or "Ciccone"? Ciccone > The Dukes of Stratosphere and Mr. Partridge, under "XTC" or those > names? Dukes; don't have Mr. Partridge > Eb, who *still* hasn't decided whether he should file Tin Machine > albums under "Tin" or "Bowie" Tin ===== "[I]t's important for the maintenance of consensus that some people keep on being scared of what might happen and probably won't; otherwise, they would not be such easy prey for what can happen and actually has. There is even a name for this tactic -- it's called 'triangulation' -- and eight years of it have been much more than enough." -- Christopher Hichens in Mother Jones, Sep/Oct 2000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:22:17 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: just for fun Woj of the Pompatous of Love order responded to the Ebman (goo goo gachoo): >>Eb, who *still* hasn't decided whether he should file Tin Machine albums >>under "Tin" or "Bowie" >i'd file them under "ehhhhh". If I were to keep a Tin Machine album (I think I still have one) I would file it under "Tin." The association dilutes my positive feelings about Bowie. It also seems like a very different thing. I file my Mothers alubums under "Zappa," because it doesn't cause any physical pain to make that association. To me, the Mothers was a vehicle for him more than a partnership which included him. Of course, some number of the albums mentioned would find their way to the "recycle" or "circular" files for many of us. The truth is, my usual filing system is ruled by random math and freak occurences in nature. I have yet to file anything since moving and everything is everywhere and continues to expand. It is possible that since my move and while I've been kinda living outa my car, my stuff is being flung across the universe to eventually take it over. You may all want to stay on my good side if that is truly the case.... Happies, - -Sharq boy r dee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: just for fun On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Eb wrote: > The period issue: A.C. Marias, before or after Able Tasmans? B.A.L.L. > before or after Badfinger? P.M. Dawn, before or after Painkiller? R.E.M. before Ravel. > Ben Folds Five, under "B" or "F"? B! Its a band name! especialy since there are only 3 in the 5. > Worry about the distinction between Beefheart & HIS Magic Band and > Beefheart & THE Magic Band? No because the should all go under Captain Beefheart and be filed chronologically. > David Thomas albums: Chronological, or grouped by backing bands "The Wooden > Birds," "Foreigners," "Two Pale Boys" and "The Pedestrians"? Or similar > name-vs.-backing-band issues with Elvis Costello, Robyn Hitchcock, Graham > Parker, Neil Young... Chronologically. And no difference EC and the A's and RH and the E's should be interfiled chronologically with EC and RH albums. > Wings Over America, under "Wings" or "McCartney"? Wings should be interfiled with > Which comes first, Richard Thompson or Richard & Linda Thompson? interfiled chronologically! but if you must make a distinction Thompson, Richard comes before THompson, Richard & Linda > Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares, under "Le" or "Mystere"? Myster, Le is an article > Soundtrack collections by Carl Stalling, Ennio Morricone, John Lurie and Ry > Cooder under soundtracks or alphabetically by name? name! > Ciccone Youth, under "Sonic" or "Ciccone"? sonic! > Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe under "Anderson" or "Yes"? at the end of Yes. > The Dukes of Stratosphere and Mr. Partridge, under "XTC" or those names? Interfiled with XTC. > File Tyrannosaurus Rex and T. Rex albums chronologically, or as separate bands? chronologically! > Eb, who *still* hasn't decided whether he should file Tin Machine albums > under "Tin" or "Bowie" They should be i a box in the closet with Tonight and Never Let me down and your Kansas albums. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:54:11 GMT From: "Bradley Wood" Subject: Re: Just For Fun I'd go this way: A Certain Ratio Alice Cooper Band (Eric Burdon & the) Animals The Beatles Eric Burdon & the Animals (See (Eric Burdon & the) Animals) Alice Cooper Vince Furnier (See Alice Cooper) 999 ? and the Mysterions The Rutles The Ruts 10cc Bradley _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:56:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Beatlestuff James Dignan: >that augmented chord in "I'm happy just to dance with you" To me, resolving phrases with augmented chords is possibly *the* most obvious Beatle-esque move an artist can make, apart from using "I Am the Walrus"-style psychedelic strings. I don't believe the Beatles actually *invented* this resolution, but they certainly turned it into a personal signature. I'm too lazy to dig up specific examples, but musicians will know what I mean...like where a song in C major resolves with a D/G+/C progression, instead of the standard circle-of-fifths D-G-C. Any modern song which pulls this sequence gets inevitably compared with the Beatles. And you find this device all over the pre-Rubber Soul albums. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Just For Fun On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Bradley Wood wrote: > I'd go this way: > > Alice Cooper Band > Alice Cooper > Vince Furnier (See Alice Cooper) out of curiosity, these are band names you're extrapolating from real bands, right? i mean, afaik, "Alice Cooper Band" does not exist, nor has Alice Cooper (the man) released material under his real name (Vincent Furnier). fwiw, all the Alice Cooper cd's in our house (and there are a great many, since my husband is quite the fan) are just filed under "C" for "Cooper", since Alice Cooper the man has continued to release material under that name long since the original band members went their separate ways. however, you could file Alice Cooper cd's chronologically and they'd still be in the above order, since Alice Cooper's band never re-formed after they broke up, and Alice continued to release material. interesting tidbit: when the band Alice Cooper was originally signed by Frank Zappa, he suggested they rename themselves to "Alice Cookies". obviously, they declined.. :) ah, the things you learn from your spouse that you never thought you wanted to know.. - - Eclipse np: Tosca, Suzuki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:30:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: just for fun J. Brown: >R.E.M. before Ravel. I file them the other way. I toss out periods, apostrophes, spaces, etc. I don't know if that's officially kosher, but that's what makes sense to me. >> Ben Folds Five, under "B" or "F"? > >B! Its a band name! especialy since there are only 3 in the 5. I file them under "F," though the "Five, not Three" issue makes it a stickier decision than, say, "The Dave Brubeck Quartet." >> Which comes first, Richard Thompson or Richard & Linda Thompson? >interfiled chronologically! I file the RT albums first, then the R< ones. >> Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares, under "Le" or "Mystere"? > >Myster, Le is an article I file these under "L," like French foreign films are alphabetized in the (American) video stores and guides. >> Soundtrack collections by Carl Stalling, Ennio Morricone, John Lurie and Ry >> Cooder under soundtracks or alphabetically by name? > >name! I may change the way I file these -- my established, half-assed method (ie, Cooder between "Backbeat" and "Dead Man Walking," in the soundtrack section) has never sat well with me. Oh, and Jurgen Knieper is another composer who fits into this gray zone. Actually, I've been trying to find some stuff to prune from my permanent collection, in recent days. I tend to dump entire artist catalogs rather than individual albums, and I recently pulled out the Maids of Gravity (two CDs), the Dream Syndicate (two cassettes, one EP), Medicine (three CDs, two CD5s) and the "Clueless" soundtrack. Next up? I dunno. I'm eyeing the Afghan Whigs (hi LJ!), Old Skull, Big Black, Sugarsmack, Little Red Rocket, Phranc, the Smithereens, the aforementioned B.A.L.L. and a few compilations. Hrm. And yes, the Gondola List will be duly updated. ;) Oh, can anyone give me the exact quote/context in which Al Gore claimed to invent the Internet? I always hear jokes about this, but have never seen the source text. (And preferably, give me the quote minus further editorializing....) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:04:01 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: more just for fun cataloguing problems P.J. Harvey Los Lobos Th'Dudes Fun-da-mental Paul Ubana Jones (I've heard conflicting reports as to where his surname starts) Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (the typical Pakistani cataloguing problem -N, F, A, or K?) Guo Yue (surname first!) Mink DeVille Townes van Zandt plus, of course, trying to catalogue in order the following: Kirsty MacColl, Ian McCulloch, Lonnie Mack, Madness, Mac McAnally, Uncle Dave Macon... and what about Mister Mister and Mr. Big? (yeah, I know - what about them?) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:04:10 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: antipodean humour... >He said something to the effect that an American couple >came in and asked if they could drive their cars from there >to Auckland. > >"I think you'll want to roll up the windows if you try," he >replied. > >I found this uproariously funny, sitting in a >quickysquirtyjiffylubeymart place waiting room in, as Tom >would say, buttfuck nowhere. Nobody else in the room found >it humorous at all until the network illustrated the >geographical humor with a map. > >I wonder if "cousin James" moved there as a result of a >very wrong turn on an Albuquerque freeway. that would be some wrong turn! No, I was heading for Florida. btw (apologies for the second reasonably long non-topic (what IS the topic) post in a couple of days, but) here are a few - possibly some apocryphal - questions reportedly fielded by Sydney games workers: - - Can I bring cutlery into Australia? - - Do you have perfume in Australia? - - Which direction should I drive - Perth to Darwin or Darwin to Perth - to avoid driving with the sun in my eyes? (Excellent question, considering that the Olympics are being held in Sydney.) - - I want to walk from Perth to Sydney - can I follow the railroad tracks? (Perth to Sydney is only four thousand miles) - - It is imperative that I find the names and addresses of places to contact for a stuffed porpoise. - - My client wants to take a steel pooper-scooper into Australia. Will you let her in? - - Where can I learn underwater welding in Australia? - - Do tents exist in Australia? - - Can I wear high heels in Australia? - - Can I drive to the Great Barrier Reef? (as easily as you could drive from Auckland, I suspect) - - Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Australia? - - Are there supermarkets in Sydney and is milk available all year round? - - Please send a list of all doctors in Australia who can dispense rattlesnake serum.(there are no rattlesnakes in Australia) - - Which direction is North in Australia? - - Are there places in Australia where you can make love outdoors? - - I was in Australia in 1969 on R+R, and I want to contact the girl I dated while I was staying in Kings Cross. Can you help? (Gotta love this one too - - Kings Cross is the Red Light district of Sydney.....) - - Will I be able to speak English most places I go? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:04:26 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: just for fun >Notes: I consider Alice Cooper to be the name of a person with a band, not >the name of a band, so he goes under his last name. When I think of the >Animals, I think of them as a band and not "Eric Burdon et al.," so I'd >skip EB altogether and put them under A; however, I might change my mind >if *all* the CD covers said "EB & the Animals" instead of just The >Animals. (I take it they released some albums under each name?) And >finally, nothing ever gets filed under The, A or An. Never ever ever. I >wouldn't even put The The there if there was a way to avoid it. (But I'm >undecided about the equivalent in foreign languages. Should Die Krupps >and Die Kreuzen go under D or K? I'd probably put them under K in my >personal collection, but D in a store. (Unless it was a store in >Germany.)) another potential problem - Boris Grebenshikov. Since he's Russian, G should come immediately after B... As for the animals, don't we have enough problems about knowing what to do with Eric B. on this list??? ;) >nine hundred eleven > >does go before > >nine hundred ninety-nine or, in the case of non American speakers nine hundred and eleven goes before nine hundren and ninety-nine. But surely the bands are called nine nine nine and nine one one. The problem here lies not so much in the numerals used for the band names as what the bands call themselves - and whether the cataloguer knows. Take 801 for example. Eight-oh-one. Someone coming across the band for the first time might think they were called eight hundred and one, or eight naught one, or eight aught one, or eight zero one, or eight nil one or... onnce you know how a band describe themselves, the problem disappears. Would a band called 2010 be called two thousand and ten or twenty ten? >that's exactly the convention used at my radio station as well, and it has >stood the test of time there. indefinite articles are comparatively so >uncommon in front of band names that people don't seem to ignore them when >looking for records by A House or A Certain Ratio or... well, i can't >think of any others. An emotional fish A tribe called quest James np - Hard day's night, A, by Beatles, The nf - Spain, to celebrate Dia de la Raza (which was yesterday, when the weather was too rough for flag flying) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:31:40 -0500 From: steve Subject: Fwd: The Posies Box Set Just in case anyone might be interested in the Posies Box. Forward: never silent in Not Lame-land so....... SHIPPING AS OF FRIDAY.....the 4 cd box set "At Least, At Last" containing all unreleased material from THE POSIES(demos, unreleased,studio outtakes, live material). literally, 22 months in the making and it's all done......2500 limited edition pressing. over 2,000 pre-sold and it looks like one pressing and over done with. not lame has not even solicited japan properly yet on this one(where they were/are quite huge) so don't wait too long. It's at www.notlame.com. - - Steve __________ More confirmation that we have a vast sucking noise running for president. - Dahlia Lithwick on the Bush wedding video ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:42:26 -0500 From: "Jack Tripper" Subject: ALICE COOPER Pre-Nightmare: File under "A" Post Nightmare: File under "C". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: just for fun On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Eb wrote: > >> Soundtrack collections by Carl Stalling, Ennio Morricone, John Lurie and Ry > >> Cooder under soundtracks or alphabetically by name? > > > >name! > > I may change the way I file these -- my established, half-assed method (ie, > Cooder between "Backbeat" and "Dead Man Walking," in the soundtrack > section) has never sat well with me. Oh, and Jurgen Knieper is another > composer who fits into this gray zone. I have my soundtracks that are primarily one artist (i.e. Magnolia) under the main artist, Score soundtracks under the composer, and ones mixed pop soundtracks under the films title (like Trainspotting). With musicals i either gropup them by composer (Rodgers and Hart, Lerner and Loewe), or if i dont care about the composer just by the show title (Damn Yankees!). But all are interspersed among my entire colection not in a seperate section. > Oh, can anyone give me the exact quote/context in which Al Gore claimed to > invent the Internet? I always hear jokes about this, but have never seen > the source text. (And preferably, give me the quote minus further > editorializing....) from: http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/ BLITZER: I want to get to some of the substance of domestic and international issues in a minute, but let's just wrap up a little bit of the politics right now. Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process? GORE: Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be. But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:53:22 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Prison Drugs etc... Ok, it has been a few days lat....swamped again...Late on the commentary..... The History Channel is airing a History of Drugs in America, and it is facinating! I am sure they will rerun it. Heoin and cocaine have been legal in the US until early in this century. As soon as they were made illigal, the addiction rate started to soar, especially after Nixon declared the War on Drugs. Now this was facinating. In the 1900's there was no federal regulation on any drugs, and some anti-drug lobby groups, which include the racist southern democrates, lobbied for a tax to regulate cocaine and morphine. (I forgot the name of the tax) This was the begining of the FDA, and history was made. Specifically, the southern democrates stated in their campaigne that cocaine was causing african american males to attack white females in the south, and that the govt needed to control this substance. Complete propeganda, but it persisted until today that coke is an urban drug, i.e. the 80's. (not to say that there is not a lot of coke in the city. But there is a lot of coke in the skyscrapers too. But they don't get busted.) Very good program.... eleanore Stephen Buckalew wrote: > I'm in the minority in the US on this issue, but I think all drugs, > including heroin and cocaine, etc, should be legalized. If people commit > crimes to obtain drugs or while under the influence of them, they can then > should then be arrested for those crimes...ie, burglary or driving while > intoxicated. > > Considering the current Supreme court review of the Indianapolis case of > roadblock drug stops for all citizens, we won't have many liberties soon. > > And if you are a "good" citizen who doesn't ever use drugs (you know the > type: "oh I drink, but I don't use *drugs*") and think...oh, let them lock > up all the drug offenders...I don't use those things so it doesn't matter > to me, etc....consider this, if drugs are now illegal as a matter of public > safety and health costs, soon other behaviors now taken for granted will be > regulated. Next stop: > > Your Diet. > > After all, it costs so much public money in medicare, etc, to treat people > with cancer and heart failure caused by poor dietary choices, therefore, > all fatty, fried foods will be illegal. > > You will eat what the state legislates you are allowed to eat. Why should > you be allowed to drain the public coffers to eat what you want. And you'll > be healthy and happier because of it. See....it's not sinister or > frightening at all! > > Get rid of drug sentencing and legalize the stuff, and watch the prisons > empty....In my past, I knew lots of users, both soft and hardcore. Even the > hardcore folks rarely committed crimes to obtain their drugs (the ones I > knew who did would shoplift electronics and return them to the store later > for refunds)....and none of the soft drug users did. > > Rant over > > The libertarian party recently pointed out that neither of the two major > candidates mentioned the words "freedom" or "liberty" once during their > recent debate. I don't expect either of them to defend my liberty.....or > reduce the prison population for that matter. They are both "lock 'em up > and throw away the key" types.... > > Steve B. > > *************************************************************** > "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett > *************************************************************** > > At 11:22 PM 10/9/00 -0700, you wrote: > >At 11:00 PM -0700 10/9/00, Eleanore Adams wrote: > >>In our system the way to commit an equal right is through money damages > and/or > >>time served. For many crimes, wrongs, or torts, this is really the only > >>pragmatic way to commit a proportional right. It can be implemented by force > >>i.e. attach wages. And since most who are found to commit a wrong > >>disagree that > >>they have committed a wrong, this "works" (sort of, sometimes.) > > > >I don't know about pragmatic, but in my little dream world the debt would > >be paid to society, perhaps in an unrelated way, and absolutely NOT through > >money. I would think that taking money from people would not discourage > >them from committing crimes. Labor restitution wouldn't either, but it > >wouldn't take anything away from the criminal that prison doesn't. Paying > >money is not committing a "right". It can't replace a person, or undo > >a rape, or heal an assault. It can replace property -- maybe -- but that's > >not all that should be done. That system supports the idea that crime > >is a private transgression between two parties, as opposed to a "debt > >to society." > > > >I don't know. It's kind of vague in my mind and probably not very well > >thought out. Most fegs seem better informed about government and law > >than I am and I'm probably just sounding sophomoric. > > > >Drew > >-- > >-- > >Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com > >http://www.stormgreen.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:13:13 -0500 From: steve Subject: Idiot record companies fail again? http://www.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/12/sdmi_hacked/index.html - - Steve __________ "He's probably the least qualified person ever to be nominated by a major party ... What is his accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk? - Ron Reagan on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:39:26 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Lennon - we all should care! Guys, Would there be Robyn Hitchcock without John Lennon? Well, I firmly believe that Robyn was heavily influenced by the Beatles, who would not be the same without Lennon/McCarthey, Hence none of use would be writing to each other without the life of Lennon!!!! eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:50:00 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: ALICE COOPER on 10/12/00 5:42PM, Jack Tripper at mylar@jeigh.com wrote: > Pre-Nightmare: File under "A" > Post Nightmare: File under "C". While that may be true technically, most people don't do so. Not even staunch fans such as myself. I just wanna be myself... Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:56:20 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: just for fun on 10/12/00 7:20AM, Richard Zeszotarski at vamphuntrz@hotmail.com wrote: > Alice Cooper (yes, it was the name of the band, but > most people think of this artist in terms of the > Individual guy. Hence, alphabetized by last name) Which, technically, can be true since people were referring to Vince as Alice as early as 1969 right after they changed their name from The Nazz. Gimme this... Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Lennon - we all should care! On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Eleanore Adams wrote: > Guys, > > Would there be Robyn Hitchcock without John Lennon? Well, I firmly > believe that Robyn was heavily influenced by the Beatles, who would not > be the same without Lennon/McCarthey, Hence none of use would be writing > to each other without the life of Lennon!!!! this is silly and arcane logic. First who the hell can say precisely what Robyn would have done with out the beatles influence. Maybe he just would have been even more influenced by say Syd Barret. And secondly where would Lennon be without Chuck Berry and Little Richard, and where would they be without Arthur Crudup, and Where would he be without the Blues and where would the blues be with out slavery? So one could argue that slavery in America is what has brought us all together. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #284 *******************************