From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #282 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 12 2000 Volume 09 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lennon: What is to be done? [Vivien Lyon ] Lennon and a few others, too [Griffith Davies ] what i get for skimming [dmw ] Re: Pomo theory! Hurray! [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Lennon and Threads [Eb ] Re: political education [Asshole Motherfucker ] Re: political education [Tom Clark ] Re: political education [hbrandt ] Re: political education ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Pomo theory! Hurray! [GSS ] i swear i didn't make this up! [Asshole Motherfucker ] Re: Liberty and Libertarians ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: divers alarums (Lennon content 25%, RH content 0.3%) ["Scott Clark " ] RE: political education ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: I could be in Berkshire [Michael R Godwin ] Re: just for fun [The Great Quail ] RE: just for fun ["Thomas, Ferris" ] just for fun ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: I don't remember [Berkshire] (aka Barleycorn Death Foretold) ["Scott ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? - --- steve wrote: > >Kirkpatrick Macmillan (1812-1878) > > >Inventor of the bicycle, Kirkpatrick Macmillan was born at > Keir in 1812. > >He was a village blacksmith at Keir Mill, Dumfriesshire, and > married Elsie > >Gordon Goldie at Keir in 1854. He died in 1878 aged 65. In > 1840 he > >designed and built a pedal powered cycle. This revolutionary > machine > >never went into production but was well documented. > > Lennon or Macmillan? I report, you decide. Macmillan! Macmillan! My bike has done more for me than Lennon ever did. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Lennon and a few others, too Just following up on the Lennon "glad he was alive and wrote songs" thread. I'll join the ranks of those that enjoy his music. I think that he was a great songwriter and musician. However, I'm not a fan of him as a person. This holds true (for me anyway) for a lot of artists. I like Woody Allen as a writer & director (somewhat of an actor), but as a person I think he is a pervert. Just my 2 cents. BTW, I'm glad Robyn is alive, writing songs, performing, and recording. I've never met Robyn, and I really don't want to. His music is enough for me. I guess I'll probably need to put on the asbestos suit now.... griffith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: what i get for skimming On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Griffith Davies wrote: > Just following up on the Lennon "glad he was alive and > wrote songs" thread. ....can't i like the songs of john lennon AND enjoy riding bicycles? i is confused. i didn't understand that this was a binary decision. - -- d., who will be at iota sunday &/or monday, mos' likely. np hyaa! _get yer hyaa-hyaas out!_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:12:27 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Pomo theory! Hurray! >>On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, The Great Quail wrote: >>............ Anyway...um.... "My cat's breath smells like catfood." >Well, that takes care of that question. This is a quote from the high literary art form known as The Simpsons. It is a Ralph Wiggamism. Somehow, I find the words of Ralph Wiggam more comforting, yet interesting, than those of Robot and Fratboy, presidential candidates. A few of Ralph's words of wisdom: "I have a moon rock in my nose." "Me fail english? That's unpossible." "Ms.Hoover my worm crawled in my mouth and then I ate it. Can I have a new one please?" "Principal Skinner, I got carsick in your office." "Miss Hoover, I glued my head to my shoulders." Happies, y'all, - -Markg Now is probably a good time to remind you that: "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man!" - -Jebediah Springfield ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:46:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Lennon and Threads Mike Godwin: >I would like Lennon more if he hadn't released so much right-on >rubbish. But the good songs (If I fell, Jealous guy, SFF, Instant Karma, >Norwegian Wood) almost make up for it. Why didn't he have rigorous quality >control like McCartney? Um, I'll start that sentence again: Why didn't he >have rigorous quality control like Harrison? Er, I'll stop trying to >complete that sentence. Try "Costello." ;) Hey Mike, do you have any words of wisdom about mono vs. stereo differences with the first Traffic album? I recently bought the new Heaven is in Your Mind reissue, and I'm wondering what's so special about the mono version (aka Mr. Fantasy) that it deserved to be reissued separately in tandem. I did a wee bit of web research, and didn't come up with much distinction beyond a different intro and a few lines of lyrics in "Giving it to You" and a different guitar solo in "Heaven is in Your Mind." Is that about it? (And of course, there's the different track listing/order, but the Heaven reissue adds the missing Dave Mason tunes as bonus tracks....) Re: Ralph. I'm only paraphrasing because I can't recite the exact quotes, but I like: "Hooray, sleep! That's where I'm a viking." "I like stuff. Do you like...stuff?" And my very favorite: some rambling gibberish about catching Principal Skinner and Mrs. Krabapple (sp?) making babies in the closet and "one of the babies looked at me" Eb, who has had "Berkshire Poppies" agonizingly stuck in his head for *days* now pruning: the Maids of Gravity, the Dream Syndicate and the "Clueless" soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:30 -0700 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: political education >People do drugs. Alcohol is a DRUG. you just reminded me of my favorite scene from FIRE WALK WITH ME: "i don't take drugs." "nicoteine's a drug. caffeine's a drug." "who's the toe-head? those drugs are LEGAL." >That seems pretty innocuous. yeah, well, i don't "owe" much. the IRS goons have repo-ed a fews houses -- most recently just a few years ago. >So we get to sell arms, eliminate competition in agriculture and oil, >and pretend it's all about keeping our kiddies from getting hooked on >crack? before now it was all about keeping our kiddies safe from the russkies. pretty striking how easily the pentagon shifted into the rogue state/drug kingpin theory. literally one year's budget justified massive pentagon spending because the russians were coming, and the next stated we needed to be able to fight two "regional" wars concurrently. of course, even during the cold war, it was the third world (korea, vietnam, central america) that got destroyed ("cold war hotspots", or however historians euphemise u.s. overseas bloodletting.). so really nothing's changed save the pretext. there are actually two (closely related) issues at play here (well, three if you count the added benefit of getting rid of the "superfluous" domestic population): military keynesianism, and making sure the third world's resources belong to the united states rather than the indigenous populations. pentagon spending kills two birds with one stone (so to speak). >I keep forgetting -- never look for a power-based explanation when >there's a money-based explanation to be had. well, it ultimately boils down to a power-based explanation. >That sounds plausible to me, but I'll question it and ask for the >economic explanation of that. you're right: it *is* economic. it's just that racism and class warfare are very interrelated. >Unless it's just that "we" don't like black males, why would we want >them behind bars? unless it's a walking billboard like tiger woods, they're not by and large important actors in the global economy. so you get a few to clean up your shitters, and a few to shine your shoes; and the rest you just throw in jail to keep them from getting restless ("uppity") and maybe breaking a window or something. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:59:57 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: political education on 10/11/00 12:22 AM, Andrew D. Simchik at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: >> phil donahue, jim hightower, john b. anderson, michael moore. > > Jim Anchower? "Hola, amigos..." That's exactly what I thought of too! I tell 'ya, hombre, that dude NEEDS Nader in the White House, what with all of his car troubles and all. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:19:54 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: political education Asshole Motherfucker wrote: > you just reminded me of my favorite scene from FIRE WALK WITH ME: > > "i don't take drugs." > "nicoteine's a drug. caffeine's a drug." > "who's the toe-head? those drugs are LEGAL." Irene from Hap's Diner! ("Now, her name is Irene and it is night. There ain't nothin' good about it.") Irene and Hap's is the yang to Norma and the Double-R's ying! I've been known to quote that very scene from time to time myself, often to drinkers/smokers who oppose the medical use of marijuana amendment on the ballot here in Colorado this November... /hal, who still maintains that FWWM is one of Lynch's best ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:42:48 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: political education At 03:19 PM 10/11/00 -0600, hbrandt wrote: >Asshole Motherfucker wrote: > > > you just reminded me of my favorite scene from FIRE WALK WITH ME: ... >hal, who still maintains that FWWM is one of Lynch's best Every time I see the State of Oregon mentioned anywhere, I hear David Lynch's voice in my head screaming "OR-REEE-GON." - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:14:55 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Pomo theory! Hurray! > >>............ Anyway...um.... "My cat's breath smells like catfood." > > >Well, that takes care of that question. > > This is a quote from the high literary art form known as The Simpsons. Yeah, I was actually commenting on the previous text, it just fit somehow, somehow sorta, like. gss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:49:41 -0700 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: i swear i didn't make this up! just using the babelfish to translate an article from spanish to english, and here are the first few sentences: With but of 20 anuses of musical race to its backs, Robyn Hitchcock is one of those artists of cult for I publish but anxious who, however, never I reach the top of the popularity. Britanico, born in 1953, occurred to know with Single The Boys to late lead but the Egyptians next to Morris Windsor and Andy Metcalfe. in case you're wonderin', the spanish reads: Con mas de 20 anos de carrera musical a sus espaldas, Robyn Hitchcock es uno de esos artistas de culto para el publico mas inquieto que, en cambio, nunca alcanzo la cima de la popularidad. Britanico, nacido en 1953, se dio a conocer con The Solo Boys para liderar mas tarde los Egyptians junto a Morris Windsor y Andy Metcalfe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:29:21 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Normally I wouldn't send this sort of thing, but... >--- Angela *** wrote: > >I never send stuff like this on but I do feel strongly about this. >As I was travelling to work on the ferry this morning I noticed that >overnight workmen had begun to remove some of the Olympic rings. >As you all know, the Paralympics are now only 2 weeks away, yet Mr >Knight has decided to slap the athletes of the world in >the face by removing this great unifying symbol! >I am very angry. >The paralympians deserve our respect and our support equally as much >as their able bodied counterparts. Indeed most of them >have had to surmount far greater obstacles to reach the pinnacle of their >sport than most of us will ever face. Just imagine that you had not only spent >considerable time overcoming a physical or mental disability, but then years >training so that you could compete in front of your home crowds. Then imagine >you had witnessed the last two weeks of the Olympics and felt the huge >generosity of spirit that overcame us all - you'd be so inspired at the >thought of what lay ahead, wouldn't you? >Then imagine that with a fortnight to go you saw the symbol that had >burned brightly on the bridge torn down, the symbol for which you have >been spending our soul in training every day, the symbol that is meant to >overcome the barriers of race, religion, sex and disability. How >would you feel? >The wet weather that has spread across the city will mean that no more >can be done until the heavens clear. Accordingly, given that email can >spread like the wildfire that has surrounded Sydney over >the past few days, can you >please place your name on the petition below and send it on to those >you think may do likewise (hell, forward it to those who won't - it will >only take them 10 seconds to press delete and get on with their day). >If you are the 20th / 40th / 60th etc person on the petition, please >also forward it back to me. Christopher Watson > >I will be contacting the media through some paralympic sources to see >if there is any interest in this issue. >Please do this small thing to support those that have overcome so much >and who stand on the verge of the time of their lives. >Please don't let petty political decisions mar the great generosity of >spirit that has blossomed in our most beautiful of cities over the >past weeks. >Please act. >PETITION >We the undersigned urge the NSW Government to retain the Olympic Rings >on the Sydney Harbour Bridge as a symbol of excellence and unity for the >Paralympic Games. > > 1. Matt Keogh - Mosman, NSW > > 2. Amber Cerny - Paddington, NSW > > 3. Daren Anderson - Nort Curl Curl, NSW > > 4. Chris Watson - Manly, NSW > > 5. Di Cook, Newport NSW > > 6. Alexandra Blackman, Greenwich NSW > > 7. Susie Bell, Guyra NSW > > 8. Sarah Green - Abbotsford NSW > > 9. Tammy Ingram - Glebe NSW > > 10. Edwina Anderson - Bellevue Hill, NSW > > 11. Tracey Clark - Artarmon, NSW > > 12. Gavin Lochrin - Artarmon, NSW > > 13. Kathy Carroll - Ashfield, NSW > > 14. Rita Holmes - Burwood, NSW > > 15. Gay McKinley - Glebe, NSW > > 16. Mary Thompson - North Sydney. NSW > > 17. Alexandra Darcey > > 18. Gina Goodman - Tasmania > > 19. Melissa Stevenson - Tasmania > > 20. Jacqui Cooke - Tasmania > > 21. Catharine Polley - Tasmania > > 22. Tanya Collins - Tasmania > > 23. Jo Arnol - Tasmania > > 24. Andrew Pyke - Tasmania > > 25. Yvette Walker- Tasmania > > 26. Maria Ayers - Tasmania > > 27. Lynne Brundle - Burnie, Tasmania > > 28. Anne-Marie Sheehan - Devonport, Tasmania > > 29. Melissa Hobson - Launceston, Tasmania > > 30. Kelly Siepen - Hobart, Tasmania > > 31. Brian Beckitt - Hobart, Tasmania > > 32. Julian Koning - Hobart, Tasmania > > 33. Eftihios Zavros - Hobart, Tasmania > > 34. Michelle Oldham - Hobart, Tasmania > > 35. Angela Macskasy - Perth, Western Australia > > 36. Frank Macskasy - Dunedin, New Zealand > > 37. James Dignan - Dunedin, New Zealand James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:53:09 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: divers alarums (Lennon content 25%, RH content 0.3%) >On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: >> Albertos Y Los Trios Paranoias (from Albertos Y Los Trios >> Something-else-I-can't-rememberos) >'Alberto Y Los Trios Paraguayos' - they were a South American >singalongaguitar nightclub act of the 60s? Earlier? possibly also influenced by a long bootlegged piece of idiocy by the Beatles called "Los Paranoias" (it's also one one of the anthology CD sets). >On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, James Dignan wrote: >> I'm sure there were a bunch of bands that took their names from things >> in A Clockwork Orange, too (Heaven 17?) >Moloko. And there must be/have been a band called the Droogs And Korova milkbar. But I'm sure there's also a scene in the movie where Alex is flicking through titles in a modernistic version of a juke box, and several of the names shown have been taken by bands since. I'm pretty sure that Heaven 17 isd one of them, but I'm sure there are others (Fun Boy Three, perhaps?) >I think what I meant was that both Lennon and >McCartney exercised fanatical quality control over the Beatles' output >(White Album excepted); and when the band broke up, they both indulged >themselves outrageously in their solo recordings. maybe Lennon told McCartney when his songs were too crap to record and vice versa. Without each other's controlling influence, they stared releasing such gems as, um, Temporary Secretary and thast sort of stuff. Still, I'm willing to put up with a few duff Lennon songs if there's just the occasional gem like "Oh my love" in the mix. John Lennon and Robyn hitchcock - are they the only two artists to have released songs called "Love" which are awesome enough to live up to their title? >They were a just boy-band, viewed through thirty-year rose-tinted >binoculars. hmmm. I know I'm a Beatle fanboy, but to me this is like saying that Leonardo da Vinci was a pretty reasonable cartoonist. Which to the pomo of you may be a fair enough comment. >I'm quite surprised that Brian Blessed is so young. It seems such a long >time ago that he burst onto UK TV screens as PC Fancy Smith in Z Cars; and >almost as long since he was lurching about in 'Age of Kings' as some >Shakespearean thug or other - Warwick, possibly? well, he was a vaguely Shakespearianesque king in the first series of Blackadder... ;) TGQ a dit: > Anyway...um.... "My cat's breath smells like catfood." that's by the Grateful Dead, no? James PS, welcome to the list, Scott! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:39:05 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Donald Dewar, First Minister of the Scottish Parliament ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:54:19 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Liberty and Libertarians steve wrote: > > Libertarians - they're Ok on social policy... how does libertarianism address the paradox: - I have the right to do what I want - You have the right to do what you want - What if your right to do what you want infringes my right to do what I want? Does every right come with a balancing responsibility? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:58:38 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? hbrandt wrote: > > "Music lovers" that don't understand The Beatles Story are missing out on some > real Fun. witness the new orthodoxy; you can surely spit on religion, piss on the flag with impunity, but, boy!, are you fucked if you say you don't like the Beatles... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:03:48 -0500 From: "Benalto" Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? Jesus Christ almighty! I've been politely lurking through this whole Beatles discussion. But I must put my foot down. NOW. I'll address this point by point. 1) I am of the mind that taste is a private thing, to be respected. I feel very wrong whenever I tell someone what they SHOULD and SHOULD NOT listen to. As soon as you pretend there's any objectivity in taste, your own taste becomes questionable. 2) Like or hate the Beatles music, there's a few things which are irrefutable. a)They, along with the Crickets, really promoted the idea of the self-contained band; that is, a group of musicians who write their own songs. This Ur-DIY approach quickly caught on and thanks to it the 60's evolved into a very diverse group of musicians. b) They advanced ROCK AND ROLL songwriting itself. They always pushed the limits of what was 'rock' and what was 'pop'. Almost from the very start of their songwriting they (especially Paul) were always trying new chords, new things. As an example, whenever someone goes from a chord's major to the same chord's minor right away (like, D-Dm) people automatically think of it as "Beatle-esque). c) They advanced (along with George Martin) many technical production ideas. They were always looking for new ways to make records, and it wasn't always 'How are we going to re-invent the wheel this time?", it was as if the production was demanded by the sheer complexity of the songs they had already written in their heads. d) To refute them as 'just a 60's boy band': Every single record they put out challenged all the top songwriters and producers of the day. When "Pepper" came out there was nothing to compare it to (well, Pet Sounds certainly, but that's about it). In no way does this resemble the boy bands of today - I don't see Robert Pollard eagerly pouring over the new 'N Sync single, trying to decode "How the fark did they do that?". While the Beatles were putting out records, that is indeed what everyone was trying to do. If you don't like the Beatles, that's fine by me. But please don't try to undermine their importance as some sort of intellectual justification for your taste. While I myself despise "Dark Side Of The Moon", for instance, I would never call it unimportant. That would just be lying. That is all, over and out. > hbrandt wrote: > > > > "Music lovers" that don't understand The Beatles Story are missing out on some > > real Fun. > > witness the new orthodoxy; you can surely spit on religion, piss on the > flag with impunity, but, boy!, are you fucked if you say you don't like > the Beatles... > > Stewart > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:52:23 +0100 From: "Scott Clark " Subject: Re: divers alarums (Lennon content 25%, RH content 0.3%) > And Korova milkbar. But I'm sure there's also a scene in the movie where > Alex is flicking through titles in a modernistic version of a juke box, and > several of the names shown have been taken by bands since. If I had spent an hour practicing some instrument for every time I've seen or come up with a good ridiculous band name, I'd be a really great musician by now. (But I wouldn't have anything to call my band.) Yesterday's best came from a detergent commercial: "Organic Stain." > PS, welcome to the list, Scott! Thanks! _______________________________________________________________________ Dreaming of a Swiss Account? Get it here: http://freemail.swissinfo.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:59:59 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: political education I could use a cup of good morning america rigt now! FWWM is great Lynch. It should be out in DVD by the end of this year. All the Twin Peaks episodes should be out in a DVD box set next year as well. Then on to Wild at Heart!! Michael - -----Original Message----- From: hbrandt [mailto:hbrandt@milehigh.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 5:20 PM To: wow bob wow Subject: Re: political education Asshole Motherfucker wrote: > you just reminded me of my favorite scene from FIRE WALK WITH ME: > > "i don't take drugs." > "nicoteine's a drug. caffeine's a drug." > "who's the toe-head? those drugs are LEGAL." Irene from Hap's Diner! ("Now, her name is Irene and it is night. There ain't nothin' good about it.") Irene and Hap's is the yang to Norma and the Double-R's ying! I've been known to quote that very scene from time to time myself, often to drinkers/smokers who oppose the medical use of marijuana amendment on the ballot here in Colorado this November... /hal, who still maintains that FWWM is one of Lynch's best ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:32:20 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: just for fun Alright, let's see how many different ways there are to do this: File these artists in alphabetical order: The Beatles Alice Cooper The Rutles 999 A Certain Ratio The Ruts 10cc Eric Burdon & the Animals ? and the Mysterions ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:42:20 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: I could be in Berkshire On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Eb wrote: > Hey Mike, do you have any words of wisdom about mono vs. stereo differences > with the first Traffic album? I recently bought the new Heaven is in Your > Mind reissue, and I'm wondering what's so special about the mono version > (aka Mr. Fantasy) that it deserved to be reissued separately in tandem. Well, I have got both LPs, plus the recent CD stereo version, so I could sit down sometime and listen through. As far as I remember, the album was recorded on 4-track (same as other classic 1967 records like Piper and Pepper). This involved quite a bit of 'bouncing down', i.e. recording 2 or 3 tracks and then transferring all of them to a 4th track. Anyone with a portastudio will have experience of this - it works up to a point, but then the analog bouncing results in tape hiss and loss of quality. The mono and stereo mastering had to be done separately (obviously). In order to sneak an extra instrument on to the mix, Traffic sometimes added one live track at the mastering mix stage. This was usually a guitar solo or extra percussion type of thing. It would never have been the main backing track, which would have been recorded first, and AFAIK it was never the main vocal. So I believe that the mono and stereo recordings are identical except for the occasional final overdub. > I did a wee bit of web research, and didn't come up with much > distinction beyond a different intro and a few lines of lyrics in > "Giving it to You" and a different guitar solo in "Heaven is in Your > Mind." Is that about it? Those two guitar solos are completely different, which is (I suspect) why people noticed that the mixes were distinct. Guitar completists (who, me?) immediately realised that they had to get both. And I was very surprised when I first heard 'Giving to You' without the "jazz - I mean jazz - I mean, that's where I'm at" spoken bit! > Eb, who has had "Berkshire Poppies" agonizingly stuck in his head for *days* "Drown him!" - - 200 kids in one red Mini-Moke (and Mike Godwin) PS: I saw a useless joke the other day which went something like: "Clapton and Winwood? Sounds good!" - "No it doesn't, it's Clapton on vocals and Winwood on guitar". This falls flat when you realise that Winwood's guitar playing is quite as good as Clapton's. PPS Don't forget to get the reissues of 'Traffic' (i.e. their 2nd album) and 'John Barleycorn'. Both very good indeed. And if you don't know what a Mini-Moke is, there are some nice pics at: http://home.wxs.nl/~amoke/welkom.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:17:42 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: just for fun This is insane, but I can't resist this. Ask LJ -- my CD collection is *meticulously* organized: 999 10cc A Certain Ratio Alice Cooper The Beatles Eric Burdon & the Animals Jethro Tull The Rutles The Ruts ? and the Mysterions - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:21:03 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: just for fun ? And The Mysterions 10cc 999 A Certain Ratio The Beatles Erick Burdon & The Animals Alice Cooper The Rutles The Ruts Did I win? Did I win?! ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) "We keep you alive to serve this ship, so row well... and live" - Ben Hur ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:24:18 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: just for fun Well, well... I'm wearing a Ruts T-shirt at this very moment - no definite article...They went on to become Ruts DC which might throw up a few alphabeticizesation problems. Just to pitch a few more in - Little Richard Dr Feelgood and surely the all-time winner - I've found them in four different alphabetical locations - The John Spencer Blues Explosion. jmbc. How would you file that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:41:53 +0100 From: "Scott Clark " Subject: Re: I don't remember [Berkshire] (aka Barleycorn Death Foretold) [skipping the meat of the message, and on the after-dinner mint] > PPS Don't forget to get the reissues of 'Traffic' (i.e. their 2nd album) > and 'John Barleycorn'. Both very good indeed. Ah-hah! I was given a copy of JB by someone I share no musical other tastes with and it became a favorite. How does the re-issue differ--any improvement in AAD sound quality? =============================================================== Scott Clark "The love of the irregular sc8y@swissinfo.org is a sign of the basic Charlottesville, VA, USA quest for freedom."--Soetsu Yanagi =============================================================== _______________________________________________________________________ Dreaming of a Swiss Account? Get it here: http://freemail.swissinfo.org ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #282 *******************************