From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #281 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000 Volume 09 : Number 281 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lennon: What is to be done? [steve ] Re: Liberty and Libertarians [steve ] Re: Lennon: What is to be done? ["brian nupp" ] Lennon and Threads [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Lennon: What is to be done? [hbrandt ] Re: Pomo theory vs. pomo *fact* ["JH3" ] Re: casey casem? [steve ] Re: prison II ["Noe Shalev" ] Re: casey casem? [Jeff Dwarf ] political education ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Lennon: What is to be done? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Lennon and Threads [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Happy Birthday [Michael R Godwin ] Robyn interview [steve ] Re: Lennon: What is to be done? [steve ] Re: Pomo theory vs. pomo *fact* [steve ] RE: Lennon: What is to be done? ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Arlington (Iota) show this Sunday? ["Scott Clark " ] Re: Arlington (Iota) show this Sunday? [GSS ] Re: Pomo theory! Hurray! [GSS ] Re: Arlington (Iota) show this Sunday? [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:31:26 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? Stewart C. Russell: >I'd be projecting a picture of Kirkpatrick Macmillan long before any >musician. - ---------- >Kirkpatrick Macmillan (1812-1878) >Inventor of the bicycle, Kirkpatrick Macmillan was born at Keir in 1812. >He was a village blacksmith at Keir Mill, Dumfriesshire, and married Elsie >Gordon Goldie at Keir in 1854. He died in 1878 aged 65. In 1840 he >designed and built a pedal powered cycle. This revolutionary machine >never went into production but was well documented. Lennon or Macmillan? I report, you decide. - - Steve __________ Well, Jesus ain't no astronaut And Buddah, he's no fool Cathedral bells don't ring in hell 'cos cats down there don't think that's cool. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:31:22 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Liberty and Libertarians Stephen Buckalew: >Here in Pennsyltucky, we have so many ridiculously powerful (often corrupt) >politicians who run unopposed....it's getting kind of weird around here... It's not really that weird, only 25 percent (tops) of the seats in the U.S. House of Representatives are ever in play. The rest are "safe" districts for one of the two major parties, so it makes sense not to waste money trying to unseat an incumbent. Libertarians - they're Ok on social policy, but I don't want to have to take up a collection to get my street paved. - - Steve __________ Well, Jesus ain't no astronaut And Buddah, he's no fool Cathedral bells don't ring in hell 'cos cats down there don't think that's cool. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:35:31 EDT From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? That's "good," not "could." Sorry. - -Brian >From: "brian nupp" >Reply-To: "brian nupp" >To: quail@libyrinth.com, fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:15:56 EDT > >I thought it would be could to pick up John Lennon's "Milk and Honey" for >his 60th bithday, so I did. 'Hope it's good! > >-bRIAN > > >>From: The Great Quail >>Reply-To: The Great Quail >>To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? >>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:54:48 -0400 >> >>Stewart grumps, >> >>>The Great Quail wrote: >>>> >>>> It is good to remember our dead. They are still with us, and can >>>> still teach us things. >>> >>>like, "Don't piss off unstable types, for they may hunt you down with >>>guns"? >> >>Ah, Ronald Reagan could have taught us that just as effectively. >> >>>All he did was write a few songs that made some money for some >>>already-rich record execs. Hardly Nobel-prize material. >> >>Sigh. Is the weather that bad in Glasgow, or is this one of those >>"weegie" things I was told could get me stabbed to death by a >>kilt-pin in the wrong places? (Or is that a Highland danger?) >> >>Well, you *are* entitled to both your opinion, even if it speaks out >>against the Greatest Beatle Who Ever Beatled; and your cynicism, even >>if it disregards the simple fact that a song can change the way a few >>people view the world.... >> >>I for one am happier that John Lennon lived and wrote music. >> >>--Quail >>-- >>+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ >> >>The Great Quail, K.S.C. >>(riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) >> >>For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, >>and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail >> >>"i'm not a critic, though i play one on the internet." >> -- doug mayo-wells > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:06:13 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Lennon and Threads >>I for one am happier that John Lennon lived and wrote music. >> >>--Quail > >Cheers to that! ditto! And, I rhetorically ponder, what would rock music be like today if he hadn't been around? Threads: * Literature(?) - Ned's atomic dustbin; Blondie; This mortal coil; Decameron; Dating Godot; Faust; Guadalcanal Diary; Steppenwolf; They were expendable. And I was once in a band called the Moomins! I'm sure there were a bunch of bands that took their names from things in A Clockwork Orange, too (Heaven 17?) * Deliberate misspelling thread - Dukes of Stratosphear; all the Crimso ProjecKt side-, um, projects. * Double meaning thread - Roxy Music (Rock music/Movie-influenced music) * Historical characters - The Verlaines (after poet Paul, not Tom) * Fictional Characters - Veruca Salt * Sex - Star 69; The buzzcocks * Unneccessary accents: Bugskull (umlauts on both 'u's) * Drugs - Gaye bikers on acid; Jefferson airplane; The Chemical brothers * Names from other musicians - Netherworld dancing toys; The moodly blues; The rolling stones; the Sisters of Mercy? or did they get their name from - -> * Religious sources - Fatima mansions? Balaam and the angel? Screaming blue messiahs? Does Tir na n'Og count? Better than Ezra? The Church; Superjesus * Placenames - a quick scan through my collection reveals that we have missed: Labradford; Future sound of Melbourne (yes, you heard right); Gondwanaland; Soho; California Guitar Trio; Siva Pasifica; The Holy Toledos; Upper Hutt Posse (yeah, ok - I'll try not to name too many NZ ones...) * the thread without a common link: Reg and Peter's Dog Trumpet (I'm not kidding - they're from Australia) Here's yet another horrible thread: * Odd foreign phrases for bands from English speaking countries: Depeche mode (the reply button on intercoms in France) Schnell Fenster (fast window???) Velo deluxe (a brand of bicycle) Husker Du (a Scandinavian board game) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:15:20 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? Stewart wrote re: Lennon > >All he did was write a few songs that made some money for some > >already-rich record execs. That's the narrowest perspective this side of Albert Goldman. "Music lovers" that don't understand The Beatles Story are missing out on some real Fun. I suggest listening to Lennon's catalog again someday, or haven't you bothered in the first place? /hal, who is also glad JL lived and wrote songs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:38:26 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Pomo theory vs. pomo *fact* Various people write various things: >If the Marquis de Sade had been put to death instead of sent to >prison, we would never have had _120 Days of Sodom_. We probably would've had at least 8-10 years of Sodom while he waited through the appeals process on Death Row, I should think. >Libertarians - they're Ok on social policy, but I don't want to have >to take up a collection to get my street paved. Yes, but if you were the only person living on the street, would you really *want* it paved? Think about it. >what would rock music be like today if [John Lennon] hadn't been >around? My guess is that instead of the "British Invasion," it would have been the "French Waif-Chanteuse/Skier-Shooter Invasion." Instead of a late-60's "psychedelic" movement, we would have had a late-60's "really strong Bordeaux and champagne" movement. That in turn would have led not to 70's "corporate rock," but 70's "bureaucratically inefficient socialist experiment rock." And instead of "punk rock" and "new wave," the late-70's and early 80's would have given us "jejeune rococo" and "musique noir," just to name a few sub-genres. The "grunge" movement would have still developed largely as it did (and of course, Sonic Youth would sound exactly the same), but obviously Nirvana and their ilk would never have become popular due to their general lack of accordions. Today, instead of "Britpop" and "Hip-Hop," we'd simply have "Toot-some-hop-and-popacapinyo'ass" pop. I while I wouldn't want to be Alberto Tomba right about now, at least gangsta-rap would probably never have been especially necessary. >Anyway...um.... "My cat's breath smells like catfood." Exactly, but the big question for me is, what are we actually going to DO about this issue? Billions have already been spent to no avail! Nothing seems to work! Could it be that in the end, mankind simply is not *meant* to find a solution to the CFB problem? JH3 PS. Better yet, *don't* think about it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:59:55 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: casey casem? Asshole Motherfucker: >the following are apparently going to be voting for ralph nader: >susan sarandon, noam chomsky, studs terkel, randall robinson, linda >ronstadt, willie nelson, jackson browne, bonnie raitt, barry commoner, >ben cohen, jerry greenfield, ronnie dugger, jello biafra, herman >daly, david korten, roseanne de moro, eddie vedder, mel king, casey >kasem, ron kovic, howard zinn, barbara ehrenreich, david brower, >phil donahue, jim hightower, john b. anderson, michael moore. Is this an appeal to authority? ;) - - Steve "I hear this Republican message that we're rich as hell and we're not going to take it any more. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm paying taxes at a lower rate than my secretary ... and frankly I think that's crazy." - Warren Buffett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:03:50 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: Re: prison II > People make a lot of money on selling alcohol and cigarettes. But they > are Americans, businessmen, paying taxes and bribes and donations and > whatnot. It's not altogether clear that the same thing would happen if > drugs were legalized today. > This is part of the answer which is much more complicated. I happan to represent the Green Leaf Party, of Israel, In a petition filed against it in The supream court, by the Israeli Drug war authority. there's lot of aspects to this matter. Most of legal drug dealers would be tax payers. yet in calculations of public benefit from legalizing drugs, the most important thing to remember this wise, is that drugs are not sold at value price. drugs could be much cheaper than they are. most important things to remember, is the traditional war against drugs just failed. I do believe that legalizing drugs would decrease the usage in "heavy" drugs (heroin, crack etc.) those drugs should be legalized under medical supervision, in a way that will decrease to minimmum OD's aids infections and other drug related prob's. been much cheaper it would save much of property related crime (around 80% of theafts and burglarys are drug related) the key to all this, is getting the drug dealer out of the scene. drugs should be obtained in a clinic or a coffe shop (according to its nature). drug laws are in a certain degree a result of classes conception. The war has obviously failed, yet as opposed to prohibition, nobody admits it nor changing it (european starts but america is still to strong to not allow it) the simple raeson relates to who does it. whiskey was widley consumed by middle and upper class. you don't want to see them in jail, heroin, grass and off course crack is related to lower classes. this is go even within enforcing polices, how manny cocaine dealer and users face charges compare to heroin or canabis? The reason is that cocaine is widely used by higer classes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: casey casem? Asshole Motherfucker wrote: >> The difference -- again, at least this is what I've been led to >> understand -- is that tobacco is grown domestically, is part of one >> of the biggest American businesses, whereas most illegal drugs come >> from countries with which America has a shaky relationship at best. > > american chemical companies make big dough sending their product > to drug labs. lots and lots of drug money flows through new york > banks. plus, in terms of more "organic" drugs, we know marijuana grows in the US, and even if Coca and Opium don't/couldn't take all the well naturally in the US, some botanist would figure out how to make them grow somewhere in the US if only in greenhouses. [benefit regarding military industrial and prison industrial complexes and containment of the reasonably angry deleted for length] > the following are apparently going to be voting for ralph nader: > susan sarandon, noam chomsky, studs terkel, randall robinson, linda > ronstadt, willie nelson, jackson browne, bonnie raitt, barry > commoner, > ben cohen, jerry greenfield, ronnie dugger, jello biafra, herman > daly, david korten, roseanne de moro, eddie vedder, mel king, casey > kasem, ron kovic, howard zinn, barbara ehrenreich, david brower, > phil donahue, jim hightower, john b. anderson, michael moore. and Bill Murray! ===== "[I]t's important for the maintenance of consensus that some people keep on being scared of what might happen and probably won't; otherwise, they would not be such easy prey for what can happen and actually has. There is even a name for this tactic -- it's called 'triangulation' -- and eight years of it have been much more than enough." -- Christopher Hichens in Mother Jones, Sep/Oct 2000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:22:14 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: political education >From: Asshole Motherfucker > > > >get sent menacing letters two or three times a year. That seems pretty innocuous. >understand -- is that tobacco is grown domestically, is part of one >of the biggest American businesses, whereas most illegal drugs come >from countries with which America has a shaky relationship at best.> > >american chemical companies make big dough sending their product >to drug labs. lots and lots of drug money flows through new york >banks. I'm confused...you're talking about "drug" as in "prescription medicine" or "drug" as in "recreational chemical"? If the latter, I am very naive. >indirectly, military contractors get to sell billions of dollars >worth of weaponry to colombian paramilitary organisations for them >to obliterate colombian peasants selling "cash crops" because u.s. >- -based (and taxpayer-subsidised) big ag and oil has undercut them >and/or displaced them. (this is why the u'wa tribe is threatening >mass suicide, for example.) if it weren't a "drug war" it'd be a >war on commies or something. but at least for the time being... So we get to sell arms, eliminate competition in agriculture and oil, and pretend it's all about keeping our kiddies from getting hooked on crack? I keep forgetting -- never look for a power-based explanation when there's a money-based explanation to be had. >on the domestic side, there is one and only one purpose of the "drug >war": putting black males behind bars. there might be other "fringe >benefits", but that's the big ticket. That sounds plausible to me, but I'll question it and ask for the economic explanation of that. Unless it's just that "we" don't like black males, why would we want them behind bars? >phil donahue, jim hightower, john b. anderson, michael moore. Jim Anchower? "Hola, amigos..." Drew - -- - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:57:15 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? The Great Quail wrote: > > Stewart grumps, aw, the nice! I've never been called a grump before. > Sigh. Is the weather that bad in Glasgow, or is this one of those > "weegie" things I was told could get me stabbed to death by a > kilt-pin in the wrong places? (Or is that a Highland danger?) Since kilt-pins are essentially blunt safety pins (and a teuchter thing anyway) it's unlikely to be very effective. If they weren't just a cynical money-making machine, how come their albums have never gone mid-price, when those of their peers have been for years? > Well, you *are* entitled to both your opinion, even if it speaks out > against the Greatest Beatle Who Ever Beatled whoa, look out, your magnanimity's showing... How could there be a greatest beatle when: - - without any of them, there wouldn't have been the beatles? - - that the beatles are a long closed set to which there can be no modifications or elections? They were a just boy-band, viewed through thirty-year rose-tinted binoculars. Get over it*. Stewart *: I'm told this is the correct American English phrase to use at this point. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:43:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: uberweeniedom On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > Albertos Y Los Trios Paranoias (from Albertos Y Los Trios > Something-else-I-can't-rememberos) 'Alberto Y Los Trios Paraguayos' - they were a South American singalongaguitar nightclub act of the 60s? Earlier? > Mock Turtles (one of the Alices - I might be pushing it on this one!) 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland', Chapter 10 > Mekons (from The Eagle comic; now I'm really scraping it...) From the Eagle's 'Dan Dare, Pilot of the Future' strip by the great Frank Hampson - - Mike Godwin n.p. Blue Ridge Rangers "I ain't never" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:13:49 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Lennon and Threads On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, James Dignan wrote: > I'm sure there were a bunch of bands that took their names from things > in A Clockwork Orange, too (Heaven 17?) Moloko. And there must be/have been a band called the Droogs > * Historical characters - The Verlaines (after poet Paul, not Tom) And Phil Rambow of the Winkies, whom I assume was named after Rimbaud > * Unneccessary accents: Bugskull (umlauts on both 'u's) Blue Oyster Cult, obviously (umlaut on the O - though someone said it wasn't an umlaut) > Gondwanaland; Not to mention Mu, the Jeff Cotton - Merrill Fankhauser outfit; presumably there was / will be a Lemuria too. - - Mike Godwin PS I would like Lennon more if he hadn't released so much right-on rubbish. But the good songs (If I fell, Jealous guy, SFF, Instant Karma, Norwegian Wood) almost make up for it. Why didn't he have rigorous quality control like McCartney? Um, I'll start that sentence again: Why didn't he have rigorous quality control like Harrison? Er, I'll stop trying to complete that sentence. I think what I meant was that both Lennon and McCartney exercised fanatical quality control over the Beatles' output (White Album excepted); and when the band broke up, they both indulged themselves outrageously in their solo recordings. n.p. John Fogerty "Sea Cruise" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:59:11 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Happy Birthday On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Capuchin wrote: > Yeah, and Brian Blessed turns 63 and Fyvush Finkel is 77. I'm quite surprised that Brian Blessed is so young. It seems such a long time ago that he burst onto UK TV screens as PC Fancy Smith in Z Cars; and almost as long since he was lurching about in 'Age of Kings' as some Shakespearean thug or other - Warwick, possibly? Anyhow, Blessed fans may be interested to hear that he is playing Captain Hook in panto at the Bristol Hippodrome this season. At least it'll keep him off those mountains for a month or two. - - Mike Godwin, 53 next birthday ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:02:04 -0500 From: steve Subject: Robyn interview Haven't looked at it yet, but there's a Robyn interview in the November/December issue of 'Listener' (a little Hi-Fi mag). Should be on the stands. - - Steve __________ "He's probably the least qualified person ever to be nominated by a major party ... What is his accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk? - Ron Reagan on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:01:50 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Lennon: What is to be done? Stewart C. Russell: >They were a just boy-band, viewed through thirty-year rose-tinted >binoculars. Stewart seems strong in his belief, even though he's totally incorrect. ;) - - Steve "I hear this Republican message that we're rich as hell and we're not going to take it any more. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm paying taxes at a lower rate than my secretary ... and frankly I think that's crazy." - Warren Buffett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:01:57 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Pomo theory vs. pomo *fact* >>Libertarians - they're Ok on social policy, but I don't want to have >>to take up a collection to get my street paved. JH3: >Yes, but if you were the only person living on the street, would you >really *want* it paved? Think about it. I've lived in the boonies. You can have it. - - Steve __________ Well, Jesus ain't no astronaut And Buddah, he's no fool Cathedral bells don't ring in hell 'cos cats down there don't think that's cool. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:13:10 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Lennon: What is to be done? Stewart blasphemed: They were a just boy-band, viewed through thirty-year rose-tinted binoculars. Get over it*. A boy-band maybe but a boy-band with more talent in Ringo's pinky than can be pressed from both the corpse of Take That and the should-be corpse of N-Sync combined. Then multiplied. By ten. Or twenty. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:47:55 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: prison II I don't know how anybody, pinko or not, could support letting rapist and child molesters or malicious predators or any sort out of prison to come back into society just like they left. For instance, lets say your 9 year old daughter was molested by your neighbor. Would you then think he should be allowed to return to living next door to you, across the street from her elementary school, were we give him a job as a P.E. coach? Forgive and forget, right? I don't think we should ever execute a person, but I do think some people need to be incarcerated for life. When a person violates someone in a manner such as that, I don't think they should ever be allowed to return. Most child molesters and rapists get less then 5 years probation, normally deferred, and are allowed to return to the same life they had before they committed and were convicted of the crime with little or no jail time. Anyone who gets convicted of aggravated sexual assault of a minor should spend the rest of their life in jail, repaying for the life they fucked up, with little or no exception. This protects the majority, but especially the victim. I don't think prisoners should be charged room and board, but I think that all prisons should be self supporting. Subsistance farming where possible, along with cattle, sheep, cotton, poultry, fish farming and manufacturing or service type income earning operations. > If heroin, coke, or marijuana were the principal product of a major > American industry, or could quickly become same, that would go a long > way toward legalizing those drugs. The last estimate I heard was that domestic production of cannabis in the US supplies right at 50% of the domestic demand. And that number is going up everyday. For some, dirt weed and water hemp just don't cut it. > drug. Ecstasy is a happy little drug. Heroin is, by all accounts, not I think X was at one time a happy little drug, but the variations that are now floating around can be pretty dangerous. When I took X in the late 80's, I don't think you could actually OD on the stuff, but I have heard lately of people dying from the shit. I believe it is now made with different bases, like opiates and speed. The last time I saw a kid on X, he was not on the same magic carpet I once rode. People have always and will always take drugs. Eliminate one and we will make another. People do drugs. Alcohol is a DRUG. There is absolutely no legitimate arguement against this. Unless of course you only drink a gin and tonic to relax. gss np - amanda kravat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:32:49 +0100 From: "Scott Clark " Subject: Arlington (Iota) show this Sunday? Hi-- I'm new to the list. Sorry to jump right in, but I was wondering if anyone knew details about the show at the Iota in Arlington, VA this Sunday. We'd like to go, but it's about 2 hours away, and I can't seem to find out when it starts, how much it costs, etc. Any info on the show or on how to contact the Iota (their published phone # is a recording) would be greatly appreciated. Scott =============================================================== Scott Clark "The love of the irregular sc8y@swissinfo.org is a sign of the basic Charlottesville, VA, USA quest for freedom."--Soetsu Yanagi =============================================================== _______________________________________________________________________ Dreaming of a Swiss Account? Get it here: http://freemail.swissinfo.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:35:03 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Arlington (Iota) show this Sunday? On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Scott Clark wrote: > I'm new to the list. Sorry to jump right in, but I was wondering if That is what you are suppose to do here. Kinda like at a cafe in Amsterdam, you just jump right in. gss n.p. - the residents ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:50:37 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Pomo theory! Hurray! On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, The Great Quail wrote: ............ Anyway...um.... "My cat's breath smells like catfood." Well, that takes care of that question. gss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Arlington (Iota) show this Sunday? Ah, fresh blood.... Welcome! If nothing else, the new City Paper (which comes out tomorrow) should give us the price and more info. You can get it online at www.washingtoncitypaper.com. Numerous local Fegs, including the world-famous Bayard Catron and myself, should be there. There were even some noises about a pre-show gathering, but I don't think anything was ever decided. (Of course, all this is assuming the show hasn't been cancelled like the Ram's Head gig was....) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: political education On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >From: Asshole Motherfucker > > > >get sent menacing letters two or three times a year. > That seems pretty innocuous. I always assumed eddie was paid under the table. > >american chemical companies make big dough sending their product > >to drug labs. lots and lots of drug money flows through new york > >banks. > I'm confused...you're talking about "drug" as in "prescription medicine" > or "drug" as in "recreational chemical"? If the latter, I am very naive. Chemical companies make big dough sending their product to drug (i.e. meth and acid and X) labs. > So we get to sell arms, eliminate competition in agriculture and oil, > and pretend it's all about keeping our kiddies from getting hooked on > crack? > I keep forgetting -- never look for a power-based explanation when > there's a money-based explanation to be had. Sure. And don't forget the very obvious anti-marijuana propaganda distributed by the timber intrests in the earlier parts of the 20th century. > That sounds plausible to me, but I'll question it and ask for the > economic explanation of that. Unless it's just that "we" don't > like black males, why would we want them behind bars? How about the fourteenth amendment? Suffrrage has got to be a good one. Interestingly, I've been reading up on the 14th amendment. Very weird stuff. There's one whole camp that thinks it was never properly enacted as law. There's another camp (similarly minded, though) that believes that it is the means by which the federal government hijacked the people of the United States. There's a third group that's pretty upset about the thing because it's the justification for corporations' protection as like citizens (real people) under the law. And there's a fourth group that thinks the fourteenth amendment is the greatest thing in the world because it has been used as the justification for some civil rights and abortion rights and so on. I think it might be possible to rewrite the thing (or remove it and replace it with something else) so that all parties are somewhat relieved of their troubles and the parties happy with the amendment placated. > >phil donahue, jim hightower, john b. anderson, michael moore. > Jim Anchower? "Hola, amigos..." From what I can tell, at least here in this town in which I live and the internet folks with which I associate, Nader's support is somehwere in the 40% range. I'm sure nationally it's a bit lower (but seeing that Gore only has 21% nationally, by any reasonable calculation, I'd say Ralph's in good standing). Media polls are deeply flawed and misleading and used only to control that portion of the population that will only vote for candidates that they believe "have a chance at winning". It's interesting how the electoral college preserves the two-party system because if there is no clear majority (if no candidate gets >50% of the vote), the House chooses the new president from the two top contenders. A pure popular vote with "instant run-off" style rankings seems more and more sensible to me. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #281 *******************************