From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #277 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, October 9 2000 Volume 09 : Number 277 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #276 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Happy Birthday [Marcy Tanter ] RE: Will the stars be piled waist-deep in November and December? ["Thomas] Kid A & starfucking (or at least starspotting.) [The Great Quail ] Re: calling all tapers [bocce ball ] kid a ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Huh...I had NO idea this was going on [dmw ] RE: Will the stars be piled waist-deep in November and December? [Glen Ub] Re: Ich bin Uber! ["Souped Up For Ja" ] Robyn NYC dates: ["Thomas, Ferris" ] More on Farnsworth [The Great Quail ] Re: Ich bin Uberweenie! [Glen Uber ] Iota Dates? (was: calling all tapers) [Ben ] Dumb and Dumber ["brian nupp" ] Re: Iota Dates? (was: calling all tapers) [dmw ] RE: Will the stars be piled waist-deep in November and December? [Eb ] Re: Alan Thicke [Eb ] Wow! Two great tastes that taste great together: [The Great Quail ] Thicke music [Capuchin ] kid m [Capuchin ] our best Alan Thicke thread *ever*!! [Eb ] Re: Happy Birthday [Capuchin ] Re: Happy Birthday [Brett Cooper ] happy birthday to you [hbrandt ] Re: Happy Birthday [Capuchin ] Re: Happy Birthday [Brett Cooper ] Re: Happy Birthday [Marcy Tanter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:18:54 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #276 >> Band* names that: >> >> 1. Have a deliberate misspelling (Phish, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin) > >Were the Beatles the first? Cany anyone name (a) an earlier one, or (b) >another one that is misspelled to creat a double meaning? Seems to me that >after the Beatles every band wanted to spell their name funny for no other >reason than "it looks cool". I can't believe I missed Split Enz's nod to their homeland in this thread... still, when they went overseas they changed their original name (Split Ends) to do that, so there's yer double meaning, I suppose... As to an earlier one than Das Bootles... there was the Poni-tails, back in about 1958, and Bob B. Soxx and the Blue Jeans probably deserve a mention (I take it Bill Haley and the Comets doesn't count) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:38:21 -0700 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Happy Birthday John Winston Ono Lennon would have been 60 today. Sean Ono Lennon is 25 today. Mark David Chapman is still in jail (thank god) where I hope he rots. Dr. Marcy Tanter Department of English and Languages Box T-0300 Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76401 phone/voicemail: 254 968-9892 "He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's [sic] most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce." - --Thomas Jefferson, rough draft of The Declaration of Independence, 1776 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:33:47 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Will the stars be piled waist-deep in November and December? Alan Thicke's musical? praten mein eb: Other musical folks turning 53 this year: ...Alan Thicke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:57:58 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Kid A & starfucking (or at least starspotting.) Regarding "Kid A": I really like it! I have only listened through it twice, but I immediately enjoyed it. It's weird, but not as bleak and off-putting as I was lead to expect. I respect and very much enjoy Radiohead's excursions in this direction, though I will certainly welcome another album of rockers. >it feels like OK Computer with its skeleton pulled out, or the >soundtrack to a black & white German Art film being shown just slightly >out of focus and filmed at angle that's disorienting but you're not >sure why. Yeah! Those are pretty good descriptions; though after the skeleton was pulled out, strange glowing fluids were injected into the corpus; and maybe a little bit of genetic material was transferred from a preserved specimen of genuine spacerock.... Also just released -- Philip Glass's "Symphony No. 5," which is really a full-blown oratorio, not a symphony. LJ and I went to the premiere in Brooklyn this weekend, and we ended up sitting a row behind Phil (not directly behind, but close) and his two special guests -- Laurie Anderson and Salman Rushdie! Rushdie was with the same two sultry babes I saw him with at the Calvino event; I now know that one is his new wife (or wife-to-be?), a lovely lady who resembles Salma Hayek and appeared recently in the Italian Playboy. The other is just as attractive, though.....hmmm...... the rewards of being a novelist who isn't drunk and suicidal.... Of course, the smarmy bastard offered to buy LJ from me for seventy bucks and a case of Kingfisher beer. I laughed in his face, of course. (Now, if he would have thrown in an advance copy of the new U2 album.....) - --Quail - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:40:05 -0700 From: "mats" Subject: Re: Re:Ich bin Uber! i heard they wanted to use a really common surname for jesus. they didn't think smith sounded right, so they used jones. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Reynolds To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: Re:Ich bin Uber! > >> 8. Are named from other religious texts (Genesis, The Grateful Dead, Nirvana) > > > > Jesus Jones. > > nope. They came up with that name when they found themselves in a Spanish > speaking country (perhaps spain?) and realized they were english speaking > people surrounded by people named Jesus. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:59:36 -0400 From: bocce ball Subject: Re: calling all tapers when we last left our heroes, Bayard exclaimed: >There is also word that the Iota gigs are now october 29th and 30th (30th >is a tentative date); which counts me out, I will be in central america >then. a few weeks ago, rich plumb was told the dates were the 29th and 30th. however, john jenks called IOTA last week and was told the 15th and 16th were the correct dates. so, i think this confusion was on the part of IOTA since the 15th and 16th were always the dates on robyn's itinerary. >I am thinking of building a robyn taper's resource - an email list or at >least a web page. chez figaro does need an update and a taper index would be a nice addition to the trader index. if john doesn't have time to maintain it anymore, maybe this could be added to the glass hotel? woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:07:10 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: kid a >From: "Alex Wettreich" > >np: Radiohead, Kid A (So? What does everyone think? Like The Beatles and not >many others, they're willing to drag a sizeable fan base into new genres. >Very refreshing.) I'm not sure about the "new genres" thing, but then I don't really have a feel for Radiohead's fan base. I know they're hugely popular but I don't really know how many of their fans also like, say, the Moffatts or Sisqo. But I really like Kid A a lot. I'm still at the surface-skimming stage, so I can't comment much on the lyrics or anything beyond my own subjective experiences listening to it. It's not a masterpiece the way OK Computer was, but it serves to me as a great meeting point between rock, "post-rock," and...not electronica exactly, but more the sort of thing Long Fin Killie did. What I think is really interesting is that Bjork's album, which I bought at the same time, has a similar unstructured feel to it. Both albums really share a delight with sound while not abandoning the trappings of the song entirely. Bjork's is the warmer album, and I'm not sure I could ever warm to and love either one, but for the moment I'm really enjoying them. From: Eb >"It is my very own (soon to be ex) husband who is waking up with [Shepard]," Owie. >Shepard's manager, Gail Gelman, told us she wasn't "comfortable" responding to >Vega's comment, but insisted, "Vonda's relationship with Mitchell >was certainly >not the cause of his breakup" with Vega. Uh huh. >From: "Marc Holden" > >> > 1. Have a deliberate misspelling (Phish, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin) >>> Korn. Blessid Union of Souls. >> >The Byrds, Def Leppard Yello. > > > 8. Are named from other religious texts (Genesis, The Grateful Dead, = >Nirvana) > >> Jesus Jones. Jesus and Mary Chain. > >Madonna Wasn't she born with that name? Does it count? Drew - -- - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:27:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Huh...I had NO idea this was going on On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Eb wrote: > [And is Vega overdue for a new album, or *what*? Eb] and maybe some genuine personal angst, agony and pain'll make for a better record, too. - -- d., always first with the silver lining - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: RE: Will the stars be piled waist-deep in November and December? On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Thomas, Ferris wrote: >Alan Thicke's musical? As I recall, he was a part-time musician and songwriter. He and ex-wife, Gloria (Days of Our Lives) Loring wrote the theme songs for both "Growing Pains" and "Facts of Life". Cheers! - -g- "When a woman marries she is complete. When a man marries, he is finished." --Oscar Wilde +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:19:21 PDT From: "Souped Up For Ja" Subject: Re: Ich bin Uber! The Be Sharps. also, for literary references: Snoop Doggy Dogg. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:39:51 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Robyn NYC dates: I might be jumping the gun a bit but who all's heading to the Big City for the RH gigs? I know for sure I'm going to the Thursday night episode and I'm toying with Tuesday and then the Middle East show in Cambridge on Sunday. ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) "We keep you alive to serve this ship, so row well... and live" - Ben Hur ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:45:22 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: More on Farnsworth http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-feature/ebert08.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Ich bin Uberweenie! On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Marc Holden wrote: >> > 7. Are named after literary references (The Doors, Love and Rockets, >> > the Velvet Underground, Marillion; Special category for William S. >> > Burroughs: Soft Machine, Soft Boys, Steely Dan) >>> Romeo Void. Bob Dylan. >>Burroughs cat: Nova Mob > >H.P. Lovecraft, Aerosmith, Steppenwolf, Tom Verlaine=20 Styx & New Riders of the Purple Sage. Cheers! - -g- "When a woman marries she is complete. When a man marries, he is finished." --Oscar Wilde +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:04 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Iota Dates? (was: calling all tapers) > There is also word that the Iota gigs are now october 29th and 30th (30th > is a tentative date); which counts me out, I will be in central america > then. Yeah someone else mentoned this before, but the Museum still says the 15th and 16th. Well, it would be nice to know for sure since it is already less than a week away!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:55:39 EDT From: "brian nupp" Subject: Dumb and Dumber Did anyone know that Balloon Man is on the Dumb and Dumber soundtrack, and also the original Kung Fu Fighting! Check it out: http:www.half.com/products/music/detail.cfm?item=1822095 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:29:38 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Iota Dates? (was: calling all tapers) fyi: the club is advertising the 15th and 16th locally. the website, www.iotaclubandcafe.com, needs an update. On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Ben wrote: > > There is also word that the Iota gigs are now october 29th and 30th (30th > > is a tentative date); which counts me out, I will be in central america > > then. > > Yeah someone else mentoned this before, but the Museum still says the 15th and 16th. Well, it would be nice to know for sure since it is already less than a week away!!!! > - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:30:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Will the stars be piled waist-deep in November and December? >Alan Thicke's musical? >As I recall, he was a part-time musician and songwriter. He and ex-wife, >Gloria (Days of Our Lives) Loring wrote the theme songs for both "Growing >Pains" and "Facts of Life". I *think* he also co-wrote the theme for one of my most despised, long-running shows of all time, "Family Ties." And anyone who can write a song *that* phenomenally saccharine and excruciating earns my awestruck admiration. Quail: >Of course, the smarmy bastard offered to buy LJ from me for seventy >bucks and a case of Kingfisher beer. I laughed in his face, of >course. (Now, if he would have thrown in an advance copy of the new >U2 album.....) I'll bid $72, plus all three of my Michael Bolton CDs. Eb The Ehh List, v2000.10: AFI, Matthew Ryan, Zebrahead, King Black Acid, Add N to (X), Blue October, Ashley Park, the Juliana Theory, Birdie, the Churchills, Teddy Thompson, Mile, G.B. Leighton, Versus, the Spoozys, Paloalto, Dexter Freebish, Elysian Fields, Starlight Mints, Caspar Brotzmann, the Gourds, Color Me Badd, Evan and Jason, Gabrielle, the Twilight Singers, Stir, Electrasy, Acoustek, Kandi, Cold, Joan Osborne, Morphine, Shuvel, Echoboy, Five for Fighting, Tom Wopat, Barbra Streisand, Kurt Carr & the Kurt Carr Singers, 98 Degrees, Rachelle Ferrell, Bundle of Hiss, Faultline, Black Eyed Peas, Buddyrevelles, the Great Crusades. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Alan Thicke This really might be Alan's year! http://www.spitemag.com/bile/atdeath.html Cheers! - -g- "When a woman marries she is complete. When a man marries, he is finished." --Oscar Wilde +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:10:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Alan Thicke >This really might be Alan's year! > >http://www.spitemag.com/bile/atdeath.html Aha. Speaking of ubiquitous has-beens, I happened to catch part of an infomercial the other night for a exciting new brand of electric toothbrush. The host? *Robert Urich*. Ouch! I guess his infamous winning/losing streak of TV series finally ran out. Eb, who keeps meaning to check the IMDB site to see how failed series have included Sam McMurray http://www.jumptheshark.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:57:06 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Wow! Two great tastes that taste great together: Radiohead and Joyce! http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/columns/mi/00-10-03/ La la la, - --Kid Q ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:22:57 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: kid ok At 09:07 AM 10/9/00 -0700, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >I'm not sure about the "new genres" thing, but then I don't really have a >feel for Radiohead's fan base. I know they're hugely popular but I don't >really know how many of their fans also like, say, the Moffatts or Sisqo. I'm not really sure what to expect from a "stereotypical" Radiohead fan either - I've always assumed (and I could be way off base) that there are a large number of U2 fans sprinkled about their fanbase. If so, they would've been "dragged" into the "new genre" of electronic music years ago. I did just find out a couple of days ago that Radiohead's fan club is called "W.A.S.T.E.," which is a weird coincidence, since I'm in the middle of "The Crying of Lot 49" right now. >But I really like Kid A a lot. I'm still at the surface-skimming stage, >so I can't comment much on the lyrics or anything beyond my own subjective >experiences listening to it. It's not a masterpiece the way OK Computer >was, but it serves to me as a great meeting point between rock, "post-rock," >and...not electronica exactly, but more the sort of thing Long Fin Killie >did. I'm with Andrew on this one. So far, I think "Kid A" is very good, but no where near as mind-blowing as "OK Computer." That's not necessarily coming from a RAWK over "electronica" bias either, as I tend to appreciate rock-electronica hybrid albums a great deal more than many people. Even highly ehhh-ed works like "Lift." My mind may change, as it often does after a few weeks living with an album. Also, I am finally going to see Radiohead live in a few weeks, at The Greek up in beautiful Los Angeles. - --Kid Fuckin' A "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Thicke music First Glen Sed: > >As I recall, he was a part-time musician and songwriter. He and ex-wife, > >Gloria (Days of Our Lives) Loring wrote the theme songs for both "Growing > >Pains" and "Facts of Life". Then On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Eb wrote: > I *think* he also co-wrote the theme for one of my most despised, > long-running shows of all time, "Family Ties." And anyone who can write a > song *that* phenomenally saccharine and excruciating earns my awestruck > admiration. The theme from Growing Pains, As Long as We Got Each Other, was written by Steve Dorff (music) and John Bettis (lyrics). This was sung by B.J. Thomas and Jennifer Warnes (for most of the series. Dolph's favorite Dusty Springfield did one season's rendition, I believe). The theme from Family Ties, Without Us, was written by Tom Scott (music) and Jeff Barry (lyrics). This was sung by Johnny Mathis and, like, Deniece Williams. Alan Thicke DID write the theme to The Facts of Life as well as Diff'rent Strokes. I don't know if he did any others though. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: kid m On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > 8. Are named from other religious texts (Genesis, The Grateful Dead, > > > Nirvana) > >Madonna > > Wasn't she born with that name? Does it count? Actually, she wasn't born with that name. That would be truly diviine. She was given that name just after birth. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:08:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: our best Alan Thicke thread *ever*!! Capuchin: >The theme from Growing Pains, As Long as We Got Each Other, was written by >Steve Dorff (music) and John Bettis (lyrics). > >The theme from Family Ties, Without Us, was written by Tom Scott >(music) and Jeff Barry (lyrics). > >Alan Thicke DID write the theme to The Facts of Life as well as Diff'rent >Strokes. I don't know if he did any others though. OK, we stand corrected! However, I'm still happy to include Thicke on my earlier musicians-marked-for-death list, if only based on the transcendent horrors he created with "The Facts of Life." Eb, who left the word "many" out of an earlier comment about Sam McMurray PS I *was* pretty sure Thicke hadn't written "Growing Pains," though I can't even remember how that song goes anymore...and please don't post the lyrics to remind me. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Happy Birthday On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Marcy Tanter wrote: > John Winston Ono Lennon would have been 60 today. Sean Ono Lennon is 25 > today. Mark David Chapman is still in jail (thank god) where I hope he rots. Yeah, and Brian Blessed turns 63 and Fyvush Finkel is 77. And Camille Saint-Sans would have turned 165 today and Miguel de Cervantes y Saavedra would have been 453 if the fates hadn't cruelly ripped him away from us so soon. Who CARES? I don't think Sean's that great, neither. And personally, I think the best reason to keep Chapman in jail is to protect his ass from nuts like you, Marcy. The only person to whom Chapman was a danger is dead. If it weren't for revenge-oriented lunatics, he could be living a very reasonable and productive life with nominal psychiatric care and common medication. It would cost the nation less and it would add one to the number of people out there working in the real world. But you live in Texas where incarceration is the national pastime, so I don't know what I expect. > "He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's [sic] > most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people > who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another > hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. > This piratical warfare, the opprobium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of > the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market > where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for > suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this > execrable commerce." > --Thomas Jefferson, rough draft of The Declaration of Independence, 1776 Is he talking about Bush or Gore? Oh... King of Great Britain... got it. Other than that, it's a pretty even toss-up. It is bitter, bitter. But I like it because it is bitter and because it is my heart. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:27:24 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: Happy Birthday on 10/9/00 3:07PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > And personally, I think the best reason to keep Chapman in jail is to > protect his ass from nuts like you, Marcy. The only person to whom > Chapman was a danger is dead. If it weren't for revenge-oriented > lunatics, he could be living a very reasonable and productive life with > nominal psychiatric care and common medication. It would cost the nation > less and it would add one to the number of people out there working in the > real world. But you live in Texas where incarceration is the national > pastime, so I don't know what I expect. You're probably right, but unfortunately, society does not agree with you. He killed and must be punished. Not necessarily my opinion, but a fact. Blow me a kiss, and then blow me away... Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:47:55 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: happy birthday to you Remembering John Lennon's 60th birthday today (I'm with you, Marcy!) and reading a copy of The Beatles Anthology book... #9 Dream: If I could have a wish granted to attend just one Concert From The Past, I would choose the amphetamine-fueled Beatles circa 1962 in Hamburg, Germany at the show depicted on page 61. Factoid: Since I live about 15 minutes from Red Rocks Amphitheatre, it was dishearting to learn from the book that The Fabs were scared shitless of possible snipers on the hill when they played there in 1964 (page 153). /hal np: Imagine: All The Outtakes (bootleg) <--admittedly true, unadulterated weenieism! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Happy Birthday On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Brett Cooper wrote: > You're probably right, but unfortunately, society does not agree with you. > He killed and must be punished. Not necessarily my opinion, but a fact. And twenty years in prison isn't punishment? If you just want to remove people from society, you may as well remove them from existence. Prison is worse than death [You'll probably tell me to ask a given prison inmate if that's true and I'll point out that an overwhelming majority of prisoners are a) members of some sect or other that belives in post-mortem punishment for crimes against god and b) guilty of at least one of those crimes... so they're a bad set to ask about how long they'd like to postpone death]. If you want to be compassionate, set them free. If you want them never to return to society, let them die. Lifetime sentences make jailors (in our case, the people of the United States and the people of any state in the Union) feel like they're better than murderers while they're actually much worse. We could go on and on about this, but realize that whether you're Conservative or Liberal (upper-cased to represent the common political terms in the US as opposed to their true meanings) it makes sense to decrease the number of people in prison in this country. It is both more economically sensible and compassionate. A prison system that is focused neither on rehabilitation for re-entry into society or execution for elimination from society is wrong-headed and going nowhere. You can fight out all you like which way you'd like the judicial system to impose sentences, but the current system doesn't help anybody but the most evil, spiteful, vengeful members of society that would rather trap a fly under glass and pick his legs off than just whack him with the swatter. OK... enough. Going home. Je. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:54:50 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: Happy Birthday on 10/9/00 4:43PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > We could go on and on about this, but realize that whether you're > Conservative or Liberal (upper-cased to represent the common political > terms in the US as opposed to their true meanings) it makes sense to > decrease the number of people in prison in this country. It is both more > economically sensible and compassionate. A prison system that is focused > neither on rehabilitation for re-entry into society or execution for > elimination from society is wrong-headed and going nowhere. Sorry, dude, but not all states are like that. And, in most states, there have been steps taken towards decreasing the number of people in prison, most notable are the halfway houses, which even though they still have abusers, are doing pretty well. What this does is that it takes the offenders, and begins to slowly inegrate them back into society. But you have to admit that there are some people who truly do not belong on the streets. I'm just a wicked young man... Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:53:27 -0400 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: Happy Birthday There ARE too many people in prison, but not because the guilty are still there. It's because many innocent people are convicted or people guilty of minor crimes are given ridiculous sentences. I am perfectly happy keeping people who commit first-degree murder in prison for the rest of their lives (I don't believe in the death penalty). The population of our prisons would, in fact, be fairly low if sentencing was done properly and the punishment did fit the crime. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen that way. A petty thief gets 15 years and a rapist gets 2 yrs of house arrest. Most murderers who are released from prison commit another felony within 2 yrs or less of their release. I'm talking about first degree, not crimes of passion or things like that. I live in Texas where people are gun happy and convicts get ridiculous sentences, esp. if they are black or hispanic. That keeps the prison population up, nothing else. Marcy ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #277 *******************************