From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #265 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, September 24 2000 Volume 09 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: gnatmaniax! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: gnatmaniax! [Natalie Jacobs ] we're all lite ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: we're all lite [Eb ] Richman Tribute [Bayard ] talkin' 'bout grutness [Marshall Needleman Armintor ] Re: we're all lite [steve ] Re: [ebmaniax-l] Elastic Meat ["Souped Up For Ja" ] Re: alt-rock guitar [Eb ] Re: we're all lite [Terrence Marks ] Re: alt-rock guitar [Jeff Dwarf ] Nick Heyward [Sebastian Hagedorn ] alright strummer, be my guitar hero [dmw ] alt.axe ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: alt-rock guitar [Eb ] malt.taxe [Chris Gillis ] Re: alt-rock guitar [Bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: gnatmaniax! On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > But I did decide to opt for an evening of "cuddle-core" (did I make > that up? It seems too clever for me) if you made it up, you did it at least about five years ago... i remember seeing it used in print to refer to Bunnygrunt's first album. and punk has meant cuddle, as Tsunami said, since a few years before then. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:26:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Re: gnatmaniax! > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > > > But I did decide to opt for an evening of "cuddle-core" (did I make > > that up? It seems too clever for me) > > if you made it up, you did it at least about five years ago... i remember > seeing it used in print to refer to Bunnygrunt's first album. and punk has > meant cuddle, as Tsunami said, since a few years before then. OK, I didn't think I made it up. It must've penetrated into my subconscious somehow. I forgot to say earlier that the big hit of Tullycraft's set was a song with a chorus that went, "Fuck me, I'm twee!" n. (I think we'll be seeing this on little pink T-shirts in the near future...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: we're all lite > From: Eb > Meanwhile, I'm *probably* seeing Brian Wilson & the Pet Sounds Symphony > on > the 24th, I missed Elastica last Wednesday in order to see this show at the Mountain Winery. I wrote a low signal-to-noise ramble about it in the Useless Book (http://www.stormgreen.com/uselessbook.html). I'd never seen Wilson perform before, ever, and I wasn't a Beach Boys fan in the least until I started dating Margaret, so I really have no basis for comparison. But it was pretty cool. Go. > Laika I heard their latest is good. I liked the other one but couldn't bring myself to buy it. Is this one a step forward? My exciting concert schedule is increasingly sparse, for which my wallet thanks me. I'm going to see the Bulgarian Women's Choir (sort of an acoustic indie singer/songwriter affair, I imagine) early next month, and I'll be taking Margaret to see the Beautiful South the day after my birthday to compensate for when we missed them in Rochester and arrived just in time to hear...the Barenaked Ladies (retch). I kinda want to see Hooverphonic on Halloween, but it's my first SF Halloween, so I'll be in the Castro instead. > From: Tom Clark > > on 9/22/00 4:41 PM, Eb at gondola@deltanet.com wrote: > > > There wasn't much instrumental > > flash, not even in Kirkwood's own playing, and that's a shame since he > > remains one of our few genuine, alt-rock guitar heroes (Tom Verlaine, > > Robert Quine, Billy Zoom, Thurston Moore, J Mascis, Tom > Morello...ummmm, > > who else?). > > I smell a thread!! > > Here are two for discussion: Richard Lloyd and Joey Santiago. Would Johnny Marr be too obvious? Or Bernard Butler? > From: Natalie Jacobs > So that was NXNW. I could have basked in the glow of Amy Correia at > noon > today, but I was still feeling sick from the pizza, and I still have the > lingering suspicion that she sounds like a marginally more talented > Sheryl > Crow (ack). I picked up the album for $9.99 (from Best Buy -- I'm sorry! I got my cats from the pet store too! Kill me now, you may not get another chance!) last week (along with Madonna's new one (OK), _Hatful of Hollow_ (finally), and the _Run Lola Run_ soundtrack (tasty)). I hate to say it, but that was my first impression, too. Well...maybe that's unfair. Actually her cutesy voice gives me more of a Jill Sobule vibe. I guess I found it fairly pleasant, and the lyrics are pretty good, but it didn't bewitch me (yet?). If she comes around SF and tickets aren't extravagantly priced I might go see if the live experience is what casts the spell. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:56:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: we're all lite Drew: >> Laika > >I heard their latest is good. I liked the other one but couldn't bring >myself to buy it. Is this one a step forward? There are *three* Laika albums, you know.... The new one is a bit samey from track to track, but I revel in the polyrhythms and crystalline production values. The rhythm textures keep giving me a mental image of scissor blades, metallically swishing in the air -- nifty stuff. James Dignan, you should check out this band, as should almost any Eno collector (see albums like Nerve Net, Remain in Light and My Life in the Bush of Ghosts). I'd say Good Looking Blues would make my top 15 fave albums of this year, though definitely not the top 10.... >Richard Lloyd and Joey Santiago. >Johnny Marr? Bernard Butler? I'd vote yes on Marr, and no on the other three. Dave Navarro? Yeah, I guess...although with Jane's Addiction, you're getting so close to standard hard-rock that it's a less significant example. Snakefinger? Eb now disliking: Shuvel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Richman Tribute There is a forthcoming Jonathan Richman tribute CD. This was something I was working on many many years ago, but when this guy started doing same thing I passed what I had along to him. I've got more than enough to do! Anyway, if you dig Richman, buy it, it's good. Tell him I sent cha. http://www.wampus.com/jojo.html Possibly interesting fact: I also tried to do a Bragg tribute, but noone ever sent any songs! =b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:50:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: talkin' 'bout grutness <Isle Ferry sails from, near Sumburgh (Shetland), for their addy? It has >some very special connections for me. > > Stewart <> Actually, what struck me about James's address was "Ah, he's probably read _The Meaning of Liff_." This was a little book written by Douglas Adams and John Lloyd (British TV comedy guy) that's a fantasy lexicon which takes strange or oddly evocative geographical names and puts definitions to them. This is the entry for "grutness": Grutness (n.) The resolve with which the Queen sits through five days of Polynesian folk dancing. Anyway, check it out. The subsequent edition, "The Deeper meaning of Liff," is slightly expanded and the maps are less funny. They also omitted at least a few of the more earthy or scabrous entries, somewhat inexplicably. marshall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:08:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: we're all lite Andrew D. Simchik: >I'm going to see the Bulgarian Women's Choir (sort >of an acoustic indie singer/songwriter affair, I imagine) I think you got the acoustic part right. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:37:27 PDT From: "Souped Up For Ja" Subject: Re: [ebmaniax-l] Elastic Meat i'm not really a big fan of the question-mark-close-paren-period construction. nevertheless (and depending what you mean by "alt-rock"): robyn hitchcock, billy corgan, joe baiza, carrie brownstein, richard thompson. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:36:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: alt-rock guitar Eddie recovered from checkthislinkitis: >nevertheless (and depending what you mean by "alt-rock"): >robyn hitchcock you must be kidding >billy corgan a hero, but not a guitar hero >joe baiza too obscure, and derives whatever "hero" qualities he has from jazz more than alt-rock >carrie brownstein nah, though Janet Weiss is definitely a "drum hero" >richard thompson Definitely a guitar hero, but not alternative. Judge Ebby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:45:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: we're all lite On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Eb wrote: > now disliking: Shuvel What kind of guy names a band "Shuvel"? (or Wheatus for that matter...) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: alt-rock guitar Let's face it, it's basically a Songwriting Hero psuedo-genre, but Thrown out to see what sticks: The Edge John Squire (first stone roses album only) William Reid Daniel Ash (parlor tricks/spinning on head division) Graham Coxon Robert Fripp then there are all the pairings where the hero status depnds on the interplay such as: Thurston Moore/Lee Ranaldo Jonny Greenwood/Ed O'Brien David Byrne/Jerry Harrison Porl Thompson/Robert Smith err, the guys in Television ===== "[I]t's important for the maintenance of consensus that some people keep on being scared of what might happen and probably won't; otherwise, they would not be such easy prey for what can happen and actually has. There is even a name for this tactic -- it's called 'triangulation' -- and eight years of it have been much more than enough." -- Christopher Hichens in Mother Jones, Sep/Oct 2000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:37:03 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Nick Heyward - -- fegmaniax-digest is rumored to have mumbled on Samstag, 23. September 2000 20:54 Uhr -0400 regarding fegmaniax-digest V9 #264: > *Nick Heyward*. Yeesh. I didn't even > recognize him when he came onstage. He was older and a bit paunchier, and > playing acoustic guitar while gently perched on a stool. No other > musicians, though he was joined halfway through the set by a female singer > named "India Dupre" (I think), sort of a skinny, 35-year-old version of > Britney Spears with a wispy, ingenue voice. The songs -- all mellow > ballads - -- really weren't so different from his Haircut One Hundred > hits: melodic, pleasant, inoffensive and trivial. I don't think all of his stuff is so trivial. His solo album "North of a Miracle" ist still one of my favorite pop albums, whenever I'm in the mood for that kind of music. Unfortunately it's out of print, so I had to resort to a cheesy greatest hits CD that mostly contains overlong 12" remixes of the songs when I wanted to get a replacement for my heavily-worn tape of the album... I'd've liked to see him! Definitely rather him than Midge Ure, who's going to play a small club here next month :-) Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldgürtel 156, 50823 Köln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: alright strummer, be my guitar hero On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Tom Clark wrote: > on 9/22/00 4:41 PM, Eb at gondola@deltanet.com wrote: > > > There wasn't much instrumental > > flash, not even in Kirkwood's own playing, and that's a shame since he > > remains one of our few genuine, alt-rock guitar heroes (Tom Verlaine, > > Robert Quine, Billy Zoom, Thurston Moore, J Mascis, Tom Morello...ummmm, > > who else?). > Here are two for discussion: Richard Lloyd and Joey Santiago. i'm a little curious as to why the ebster scotched these, as both seem pretty valid to me. i actually had someone tell me to play 'more joey santiago-seque" in a session once. have i been asleep at the switch, or am i really the first person to nominate bob mould and johnny thunders? james honeyman-scott? i don't know if kevin shields is a "guitar hero" exactly, but i think he deserves some sort of special mention. i think doug martsch *really* wants to be on the list, but isn't enough of a household name yet, he still needs a (built to spill) after his name, which i think is disqualifying. maybe later. ira kaplan? Eblikewhine: s'been a while since anyone new came along and kicked my ass with their geetar playin' in a geetar hero kinda way. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:52:10 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: alt.axe Johnny Marr Bernard Butler Bill Nelson Poison Ivy, Bryan Gregory, Kid Congo Powers Eugene Chadbourne Paul Leary from Butthole Surfers (a particular favourite of mine) Judah Bauer (John Spencer Blooos Xplosion) Bill Carter (Screaming Blue Messiahs) Ira Kaplan (Yo La Tengo) ...and Rimberley Kew and Hobyn Ritchcock jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:32:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: alt-rock guitar I'll take the Edge, Ira Kaplan and Peter Buck out of recent submissions...otherwise, naah. ;) Doug Martsch is getting there fast, though. DMW: No one would know Richard Lloyd if he wasn't linked with Tom Verlaine (witness Lloyd's invisible solo career), and Joey Santiago just had a cute style. Speaking of (non-alternative) guitar heroes, I looked at Robert Fripp's web diary (see diary link under http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com) last night for the first time in ages, and saw that he's busily digging toward yet further depths of unbearable loathesomeness. Anyone who thinks *I'm* a prick would be well-advised to check the above to observe a true master of the form. Eb, already tired of this topic ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:34:02 -0700 From: Chris Gillis Subject: malt.taxe Nick Saloman of the Bevis Frond, http://www.woronzow.co.uk/. Doubt it? See a few of their live shows. And, fortunately, it is not guitar wankerismo. .chris - -- chris@photogenica.net http://photogenica.net - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: alt-rock guitar On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Eb wrote: > I'll take the Edge, Ira Kaplan and Peter Buck Interesting that you'll "take" Peter, but not Robyn... both Peter and Robyn have said that Robyn is a better player ("but only cos I've been playing longer.") ObEb: I watched High Fidelity tonight. fun flick! must read the book... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #265 *******************************