From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #263 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 22 2000 Volume 09 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Napstering [Gene Hopstetter ] RE: Napstering ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: Napstering [Eclipse ] low(-fi) blow ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] RE: Napstering [Terrence Marks ] RE: Napstering ["Brian Huddell" ] 100% invisible 0% hitchcock ["Noe Shalev" ] RE: Napstering [Capuchin ] Re: I could give a toss [Eb ] Re: not these two again/US-UK English [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Digna] Re: new email address ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Roy Harper; disappointing ["Stewart C. Russell" Subject: RE: Napstering > From: Terrence Marks > Subject: Napstering > Napster? Never used it. I get everything I need from Usenet. Usenet + cable modem = one heckuva lot of MP3s. > At least five people got my "Stuka taking off" vintage WWII sound effect. > I don't > know why either. > Hmm, I'd like to hear a Stuka taking off. Or dive bombing, with its sirens wailing, for that matter. Nothing like the rumble and growl of a Junkers-Jumo engine, I always say. > Very little moog music, outside of Perrey-Kingsley and Moog Cookbook > (which I'm also glad I didn't pay money for. While putting "Turkey in > the Straw" in the middle of "Cat Scratch Fever" is plenty amusing in > concept, I don't think it holds up in practice.) > Well, in my book, Moog Cookbook deserve praise for respecting and mimicing the fine art of Covering Lots of Pop Songs with Moogs, in the fine manner of Hot Butter, Perrey and Kingsley, and all those fabulous innovators. BTW, have you heard the new Raymond Scott "Manhattan Project" double CD? The best thing I've heard and read all year. I had no idea Scott collaborated with Bruce Haacke, either. > Takoko Minekawa and Cornelius. Presently evaluating the both of them. > Didja know they're married and are expecting a kid? And that Takeko is who does that "Playstation" voice for Sony? Go figure. > No Shleep. No Manny Albam. No Turtles outside the hits. > Yup, I bet Napster could use a whole lot of Shleep. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:15:21 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Napstering > Napster? Never used it. I get everything I need from Usenet. Usenet + > cable modem = one heckuva lot of MP3s. I'll second this. With a good news server Usenet really is the treasure trove (particularly for full albums) that Napster usually isn't (unless you like waiting endlessly "Remotely Queued" or "Getting Info"). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: RE: Napstering out of curiosity, how is this done? do you use a news client on windoze? i'd like to check this out but have only been using tin for usenet for years. :) any recommended news groups to check out? Eclipse On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > > Napster? Never used it. I get everything I need from Usenet. Usenet + > > cable modem = one heckuva lot of MP3s. > > I'll second this. With a good news server Usenet really is the treasure > trove (particularly for full albums) that Napster usually isn't (unless you > like waiting endlessly "Remotely Queued" or "Getting Info"). > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: low(-fi) blow > From: The Great Quail [on reading Eb] > It's like having that High Fidelity guy as your pen pal. Well, that wasn't a very nice thing to say. Here I thought you were _defending_ Eb. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:06:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: Napstering On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Eclipse wrote: > > out of curiosity, how is this done? do you use a news client on > windoze? i'd like to check this out but have only been using tin for > usenet for years. :) Go to http://www.forteinc.com and get Free Agent. > any recommended news groups to check out? Depends what you like. alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era is in the middle of this months-long Jazz Greats flood. At least 60 discs of material there. alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1950s and alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1960s are the best decade groups, in my opinion. They've got more obscure material than the others. alt.binaries.pictures.comics and alt.binaries.multimedia.cartoons are also worth looking into. > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > > Napster? Never used it. I get everything I need from Usenet. Usenet + > > > cable modem = one heckuva lot of MP3s. Agreed. Usenet is still my primary source, but Napster's selection is a lot more impressive than it was. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:39:01 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Napstering > out of curiosity, how is this done? do you use a news client on > windoze? i'd like to check this out but have only been using tin for > usenet for years. :) > any recommended news groups to check out? First, you can't do anything unless you have a good news server, with a high percentage of complete binaries and a decent retention time (so posts don't disappear before you have a chance to grab 'em). I've never had an ISP with a suitable newsfeed (though I hear they exist) so I always pay a third party for Usenet. Supernews, Newscene, Easynews, Giganews, are some popular servers. alt.binaries.news-server-comparison is a good place to shop. The most popular client for binaries is Forte Agent (or the freeware Agent). I use one called Xnews. Both of these combine multi-part binaries automatically (a single binary file is posted in lots of little parts to conform with Usenet standards). Typically all you have to do is select the file and download. I've never used the news clients bundled with Netscape or IE but I imagine they do much the same thing. If you've tamed tin you shouldn't have any problem with a GUI client! The alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 hierarchy is where most of the music is. There are sub groups for decade and genre, like a.b.s.m.1960s and a.b.s.m.indie (where I just grabbed some groovy stuff by Malka Spigel and Colin Newman). a.b.s.m.bootlegs is where I snagged the RH Bottom Line show. Have fun! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:39:09 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: 100% invisible 0% hitchcock hi allll help me plzzzzzz does anyone know what the term " invisible technology" stands for? is there any comon use for this, I get the impression this is not litraly a technology that hidden or somthing like that. any ideas, or even better: knowledge? ;-) Thanx NOE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Napstering On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Eclipse wrote: > out of curiosity, how is this done? do you use a news client on > windoze? i'd like to check this out but have only been using tin for > usenet for years. :) I used tin for ever and ever... then I got to a point where tin just didn't cut it. Today I use pan , the pimp-ass newsreader (or punk-ass newsreader, as it was once called). It uses gtk, so make sure you've got gnomelibs or you won't get a display. I'm actually running a version a couple minor revisions behind the current and I think it's superior, so we'll see. > any recommended news groups to check out? As was said, the alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 groups are pretty good for music and stuff. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:19:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: I could give a toss >> "Could care less", "couldn't care less" -- same difference! I haven't heard "could care less" in ages myself, BUT...there was a period when I was in fifth or sixth grade when it was fashionable amongst my peers to say this. I recall my father (who was/is an exasperating stickler about syntax and pronunciation) lecturing me about how I should say "couldn't care less," because the other made no sense.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:10:11 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: not these two again/US-UK English >>Let me say what everyone else is surely thinking here: NO ONE >>CARES!!!! Why don't you take this dumb-assed quibbling off-list? > >since i find myself still reading these posts, i guess i could care less... erm... do you mean you "could care less" or you "could care less"? Inquiring speakers of non-American English want to know... in this case, it really IS ambiguous! I'm amazed sometimes by American English and British English (= NZ English) often meaning exactly the opposite things. Someon mentioned this on the list recently, and there are at least two other examples I know of: 1) If a NZer lucks out, they were out of luck. If a USer lucks out, they had the luck with them. 2) In UKEnglish dominated sports (eg Rugby, Soccer) if someone has a foul on them they had a foul committed on them by someone else. Their side gets the free kick (hit, shot, etc). In USEnglish dominated sports like basketball, if someone has a foul on them they committed a foul on someone else. The other side gets the free throw (kick, gadoing, squelch, whatever). I'm sure there are other examples, but how many of them are complete opposites like this, I don't know. >I was just thinking about this recently. I contend that "I coudn't care >less" (a statement implying no interest whatsoever) evolved into "I could >care less" (a statement implying some interest) through frequent misuse by >those who didn't understand what the original phrase was supposed to mean. >Much the same way "short lived" with a long I (meaning it had a short life) >has somehow evolved into "short lived" with a short I (meaning I guess that >it lived shortly), which is grammatically awkward. maybe, but it could have arrived as a parody of the original, much like "no love lost", which used to mean that the two parties in question were perfect partners and never had a bad word to say about each other. Over time it became a sarcastic and/or ironic comment "ah yes, that Eb and Hal, there's no love lost between them..." >What REALLY puzzles me, though, is the matter of giving a rat's ass. I hear >"I could give a rat's ass" all the time, yet no one has ever given me one. >I don't believe anyone has ever told me thet they "couldn't give a rat's >ass", so what seems to be the problem? never heard "I could give..." It's only ever "I couldn't give..." here, and it's arse, of course, not ass. For the complete linguistic weenie, it's worth noting that there are some near opposites between UK and NZ English. If you ask someone in the UK a question and they say "I haven't a clue", it usually carries an implied "...and I'm sorry, I wish I could help". In NZ it's more likely to carry an implied "...and I don't care, either. Piss off you sad little twat!". Being originally British, I still get caught by that one... I'll leave it there... this conversation's pretty much munted by now anyway. James ***PLEASE NOTE THE GNU ADDRESS - yes, I can finally email from home! Yay!!!*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:31:38 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: new email address James Dignan wrote: > > James Dignan is now contactable by the friendly pixels of surf4nix on > I wonder why anyone would choose the name of the harbour that the Fair Isle Ferry sails from, near Sumburgh (Shetland), for their addy? It has some very special connections for me. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:50:12 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Roy Harper; disappointing Very disappointed by Roy Harper at King Tut's last night. First, the venue was too packed out to see/hear anything, and second, Roy couldn't find his form, restarting and rambling more than one can allow. While his guitar work was pretty remarkable, we left. Oh well. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:33:46 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: In defense of Eb (Didn't I use this subject once before?) From: The Great Quail > I, like dmw, very much enjoy Eb's concert updates. I think Eb is a > good writer with a lot of personality, and I enjoy reading about his > exploits in the world of West Coast rock criticism. I don't always > agree with his opinions, especially about My Personal God Jon > Anderson and his One True Prophet Olias, and I don't always agree > with his snipes at people, whether or not they are deserving of it; > but I always find his tales amusing, informative, and often witty. > It's like having that High Fidelity guy as your pen pal. I also enjoy Eb's adventures in concert land. And I must go on record by saying I feel left out, saddened, when Eb butts heads with someone else besides myself. : ( Mandatory Madness: http://home.i1.net/~bytor/WW2112.html Vince ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #263 *******************************