From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #256 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 14 2000 Volume 09 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Selling and dividing your history ["Thomas, Ferris" ] dividing time between phony legions [GSS ] Re: radio MPEG? [Bayard ] gloom, California style [Natalie Jacobs ] looking it up ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Rock 'n' Roll Jeoprady [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: David Mulcahy/Chris Knox [dmw ] re: zaieka [Dolph Chaney ] Re: zaieka [MARKEEFE@aol.com] who are the real thieves... the fans, or the RIAA? [Bayard ] RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy [Eb ] Randi news ["Pamplemousse" ] Slim Shady...Yikes! [Mark Pyskoty ] RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy [Aaron Mandel ] RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy ["Bachman, Michael" ] Andy where are my 15 years (100% not interesting stuff) ["Noe Shalev" ] Re: Selling and dividing yer histoy [Chris Gillis ] RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy [Eb ] RE: Selling and dividing your history [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:44:25 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Selling and dividing your history Now, now, Jeff... Live at Leeds is a classic and the new version is quite a bit cleaner than the older version. Quadrophenia: one of my favorite Who albums...you won't get me blaspheming here. Stereolab: I'll agree that the packaging is annoying--it won't fit in the old CD rack. Byrds: don't know (never been that big a fan, honestly). Stevie: It would have made a better single than a double albumen. I take it you're questioning just having spent the money...but if it's a 'shouldn't have bought because it's crap' list--and there's nothing readily questionable on the your list of purchases--then I've got advice for you. (Everyone else perk up and listen, as well.) Under no circumstances should anyone ever, ever buy the Bowie release "Deram Anthology 66-68." It's a complete waste of perfectly good petroleum products and is hands down the most utterly faecal collection of music I've ever bought. I'm so put off by it I haven't even bothered to get rid of it yet. I would have to admit to owning it to do that and then people would...oh...I...err....crap.... - -f. - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Dwarf [mailto:munki1972@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:55 AM To: Druid " "Rock Persons Subject: Selling and dividing your history What i spent money i shouldn't've on: The Who: Live at Leeds (new; reissue) The Who: Quadrophenia (used; reissue) Stereolab: Aluminum Tunes (new; hate the packaging) The Byrds: Sweetheart of the Rodeo (used but shrinkwrapped; reissue) Stevie Wonder: Songs in the Key of Life (used; reissue) nothing that bizarre i'm afraid...haven't had a chance to listen to them yet ===== "[I]t's important for the maintenance of consensus that some people keep on being scared of what might happen and probably won't; otherwise, they would not be such easy prey for what can happen and actually has. There is even a name for this tactic -- it's called 'triangulation' -- and eight years of it have been much more than enough." -- Christopher Hichens in Mother Jones, Sep/Oct 2000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:56:50 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Badly Drawn Boy Pamplemousse wrote: > > 'The Hour of Bewilderbeast' has just > won the Mercury award over here. he's been mentioned a couple of times before here. It's my "In the Aeroplane over the Sea" of this year. > 'The Delgados' from Stewart's neck of the woods. always meant to listen to them. Friends wonder why I haven't. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:55:46 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: dividing time between phony legions > The Who: Live at Leeds (new; reissue) > The Who: Quadrophenia (used; reissue) Two of the finest albums ever. An investment in rock-n-roll history. Pete, John and Keith, what a fucking band. I still wish Pete had dropped Roger and sung the songs himself. No 3 piece could have touched 'em, except maybe Rush and Cream and a couple others, tho I still put 'em way above just about everyone. If Roger hadn't been so cute, I bet The Who would have been a 3 piece. Rent Quadrophenia the movie too. Its pretty good and some of the faces might surprise you. gss 'You were under the impression That when you were walking forward You'd end up further onward But things ain't quite that simple.' - pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: radio MPEG? On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 overbury@cn.ca wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Bayard wrote: > > > what would be the logical bitrate for MP3s made from radio broadcasts? > > FM has an upper audio frequency response of 15Khz as specified by the FCC. That part I know! hence, the question. :) I suppose I'll go for the standard 128kbps... people's connections will only get faster... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:07:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: gloom, California style So me, Viv, Carole, and devil-horned Spacecats drummer Teresa all went to see Black Heart Procession and Man or Astroman last night. This was the first time I've been to Berbati's Pan (sorta a medium-sized venue - like the Magic Stick in Detroit, but with no bowling alley). It was smoky and very, very warm. BHP are not Goths. They appear to be California hicks. The singer was a big guy with a long beard and long greasy hair, wearing sunglasses; one of the keyboardists bore some resemblance to Edgar Allen Poe. They played their lovely dirges bathed in gloomy greenish light. To my delight, they did indeed have their musical saw, played by the singer - I've never seen one played before. At one point, the saw and a theremin were being played simultaneously - kinda redundant, but it sounded cool. Unfortunately as their songs are all rather same-y, I got kind of sleepy after a while, but I still enjoyed the show. We didn't catch much of Man or Astroman, but they had lots of films going - - mostly abstract bright colors and sine-wave patterns - they wore jumpsuits and goggles and careened madly around the stage. A total and complete contrast with BHP. I have no idea why they were touring together other than that they're both on Touch and Go. I would have liked to have stayed longer, but I was tired and needed to get up early the next day. Star fuckage: I swear to freakin' god that I was standing a few feet from Janet Weiss. (I saw her in the restroom as well and got a good look at her - either she was Weiss or Weiss's twin sister.) Practically every girl in the venue had the same Louise Brooks bob as me. Oh dear. n. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: looking it up > From: dmw > "one-eyed" "Hooray for your Cyclopean trouser snake" does sound kind of Lovecraftian, doesn't it? Maybe not. > From: "Bachman, Michael" > > Right on concerning the Bangles. All Over The Place has some real > decent > guitar work. The last 2 releases they put out didn't rock at all. _Different Light_ has a special sentimental meaning for me...it was one of the very first (if not the first) cassettes I ever bought. I still like the album a lot, but then I have a tolerance for 80s pop that few on this list seem to share. I would agree that _All Over the Place_ is more satisfying in some ways, but "If She Knew What She Wants," "Let It Go," and "September Gurls" all in a row still give me chills. Go figure. _Everything_ was pretty embarrassing but had a few good singalong moments. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:33:27 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock 'n' Roll Jeoprady In a message dated 9/12/00 9:26:20 PM, rcreation@earthlink.net writes: << Did anyone happen to see the R&RJ with the Dixie Chicks competing against each other? It was not unlike that Saturday Night Live Celebrity Jeopardy sketch when none of the stars could answer even the simplest questions. On a show where any moron can guess the answers just by paying attention to the clues they proved themselves to be three of the stupidest women on the planet. I wish I could remember some of the ridiculously easy questions they wiffed on collectively >> It was pretty sad, yeah. I thought I remembered one of them kicking the other two Chicks' asses, though. But maybe it was on a relative scale ;-) - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: David Mulcahy/Chris Knox On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, James Dignan wrote: > possibly his best - certainly one of his best. I think this is the first > album where his increasing lyrical maturity has gelled perfectly with ihis > sense of melody. There's a song there called something like (my memory is > really ppoor today)"When I have left this mortal coil" which is an absolute > gem. the one about coping with his father's mortality was also a stunner. i'm glad to see this disc get a mention, because listening to it for the first few times, i thought it was the sort of thing that many feglisters might appreciate. no songs about fish, but, well, you know. - -- d. np kristeen young _enemy_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:43:55 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: re: zaieka for Fegs who are also Flaming Lips fans -- if your hunt for a copy of Zaireeka is making you crazy, there are a couple of pieces of good news: * www.flaminglips.com says that there will be a DVD version of it coming within the next few months! * if you happen to be (or know someone who is) a Columbia House member, they have a few copies of ZAIREEKA left at a ridiculously low price. and they really do, because we just got ours in the mail! it's not usually listed in their brochures, but it's in the online listings at http://www.playfromcolumbiahouse.com/ -- I don't like recommending them because artists get no $ from club sales, but in this case, where an item is out of print and therefore the artists have gotten all the money they will see from this edition, I make an exception. now to find buddies with boomboxes. hee! dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:21:43 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: zaieka In a message dated 9/13/00 11:00:41 AM, dolph@sprewt.com writes: << * if you happen to be (or know someone who is) a Columbia House member, they have a few copies of ZAIREEKA left at a ridiculously low price. and they really do, because we just got ours in the mail! it's not usually listed in their brochures, but it's in the online listings at http://www.playfromcolumbiahouse.com/ -- I don't like recommending them because artists get no $ from club sales, but in this case, where an item is out of print and therefore the artists have gotten all the money they will see from this edition, I make an exception. >> I just did a search for it at that site, but it wasn't there; just regular albums like "Soft Bulletin" and "Transmissions . . . " and one other. Oh well. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: who are the real thieves... the fans, or the RIAA? if you're on the RIAA's side in the Napster fight, read this and be enlightened. http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2000/08/28/work_for_hire/?CP=SAL&DN=650 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:18:03 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: zaieka hm. i just double checked and it's still there (for $15.90!). is it only listed in the members section or something? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:30:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy >Live at Leeds is a classic and the new version is quite a bit cleaner than >the older version. Not to mention the new bonus tracks, which *significantly* up the album's worth for me. I found all the jamming on the original LP a bit tiresome, but it goes down a lot better when there's some short pop songs like "Tattoo" to add variety. >Quadrophenia, Songs in the Key of Life Superb...practically the #1 albums of their respective years. >Sweetheart of the Rodeo Maybe a bit overrated, but still very, very good. >Stereolab: I'll agree that the packaging is annoying--it won't fit in the >old CD rack. I have this weird promotional version, which just has the two CDs in a normal jewel box, and then a booklet. But, no back-cover insert. Ordinarily, I would be fastidious about wanting the full retail item, but I wasn't in this case, purely *because* of the package-storage issue. >Under no circumstances should anyone ever, ever buy the Bowie release "Deram >Anthology 66-68." It's a complete waste of perfectly good petroleum >products and is hands down the most utterly faecal collection of music I've >ever bought. Hell, I'd take it over Never Let Me Down, Tin Machine II, Tonight.... It's silly fun. And it's so *comprehensive* and lengthy too, so it's a good value. And *certainly*, a historical curiosity. Incidentally, there was a neat Bowie compilation on Rhino a few years ago, called "Early On (1964-1966)." It was better than the above album, and showed a much stronger British Invasion influence. Unfortunately, I believe it's now out of print -- I'm not crazy about Rhino's recent "put 'em in print, grab some quick sales, and then yank 'em again" marketing strategy. Oh, as for Zaireeka, I've seen someone trying to sell a copy on Usenet several times...I'll forward his post if it comes up again. Coincidentally, I was looking up some groups (including the Lips) on CDNow last night, checking to see if certain albums are out of print. I discovered a few fairly important albums (to me, at least), which I didn't know were OOP in the States. Like: Alex Chilton's 1970, Blake Babies' Sunburn (on cassette only), Andy Partridge/Harold Budd's Through the Hill, Can's Soundtracks, Beefheart's Shiny Beast/Doc at the Radar Station/Ice Cream for Crow, the Lips' In a Priest-Driven Ambulance (can this be right??) and Oh My Gawd!!!...The Flaming Lips (on cassette only) and Wire's Pink Flag/154. I also didn't know all the Beat Happening albums which were reissued by Sub Pop are now only available on *vinyl*. However, maybe checking CDNow isn't a definitive answer to the "Is it in print?" question. I should probably doublecheck Amazon or label websites too, if I want an absolute answer. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:08:04 +0100 From: "Pamplemousse" Subject: Randi news Randi is physically ok, but desparately unhappy - she has been dumped by Tim and moved out of his apartment. She's about to move into a women's shelter, the phone number she gave is her parents where she's been for a few days but she doesn't want to stay there and is leaving literally any minute. She doesn't know what is going to happen and is scared out of her mind - her words. She wants to send thank you cards & things to people but she can't do this at the moment so she asks that people are patient, it may take her months to have somewhere to live. The women from the shelter are coming to collect her very very soon so she won't be contactable for I don't know how long. She will try to find a way to access the net, she isn't taking her computer to the shelter so she has to find another way to get access. She will be using the twofangs@gurlmail.com address, she asks that people send contact details again in case she's lost them. Is anyone in a position to be able to help her out? Contact me if there's anything else I might be able to tell, I talked to her for about 40 minutes. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:16:12 -0400 From: Mark Pyskoty Subject: Slim Shady...Yikes! Mark 1 Said - > I heard that record by Eminem the other day and I was just curious. >What is a "slim shady?" Does anyone know? >Hip-Hop culturally impaired, >-M. Mark 2 Chimes - I hope it's just curiosity and ya really don't care! ;-) That's the stuff that has a bud-o-mine that still toils in retail...same record store as I once worked adopting..."Rock Is Dead...Rock Is Dead....Rock Is Dead"...as his mantra! The guy can tell some tales about the state of our Hip-Hopily over-run culture, let me tell you! Straight from the front lines. Still Rockin' In A Free World! Mark 2 NP~ Son Volt "Wide Swing Tremolo" Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/mitcheaster/ http://homestead.juno.com/mapslegends/files/mapslege.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:25:37 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy At 12:30 PM 9/13/00 -0700, Eb wrote: >Incidentally, there was a neat Bowie compilation on Rhino a few years ago, >called "Early On (1964-1966)." It was better than the above album, and >showed a much stronger British Invasion influence. Unfortunately, I believe >it's now out of print -- I'm not crazy about Rhino's recent "put 'em in >print, grab some quick sales, and then yank 'em again" marketing strategy. I finally picked up this compilation from Amazon just a few months ago and it looks like the collection is still for sale at CD-Now. Of course, this could only mean that these stores still have copies of the album in stock but that it may very well be out of print. Incidentally, Bowie has rediscovered a love for this older material and has been performing songs like "Can't Help Thinking About Me" and "The London Boys" at recent small shows. "Can't Help Thinking About Me" was even included as part of the Bowie episode of VH-1 Storytellers. There's also a rumor floating around that new daddy David went into the studio recently to re-record some of his 60's era songs. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:32:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Eb wrote: > I also didn't know all the Beat Happening albums which were reissued > by Sub Pop are now only available on *vinyl*. this doesn't quite sound right. i think the reissues are on K, and if they're only vinyl right now, it's probably to work customers up for the CD box set that's supposed to be out this winter. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:34:16 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy Sweetheart of the Rodeo is probably the first country-rock album of all time and a classic. Of great interest for the Gram Parson fans are the restoration of his "lost vocals" on numerous tracks. These were available on the Byrds box set, but the sound is much better on the remastered SHOTR. I'll admit that it's not up The Flying Burrito Brothers "Guilded Palace of Sin" or Gram Parsons "GP" and "Grevious Angel", and Gram's International Submarine Band's "Safe at Home" came out before SHOTR. That doesn't take away from SHOTR's cutting edge sound for the time and influence on spawning the country-rock sound of the late 60's early 70's. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Eb [mailto:gondola@deltanet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:30 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy >Live at Leeds is a classic and the new version is quite a bit cleaner than >the older version. Not to mention the new bonus tracks, which *significantly* up the album's worth for me. I found all the jamming on the original LP a bit tiresome, but it goes down a lot better when there's some short pop songs like "Tattoo" to add variety. >Quadrophenia, Songs in the Key of Life Superb...practically the #1 albums of their respective years. >Sweetheart of the Rodeo Maybe a bit overrated, but still very, very good. >Stereolab: I'll agree that the packaging is annoying--it won't fit in the >old CD rack. I have this weird promotional version, which just has the two CDs in a normal jewel box, and then a booklet. But, no back-cover insert. Ordinarily, I would be fastidious about wanting the full retail item, but I wasn't in this case, purely *because* of the package-storage issue. >Under no circumstances should anyone ever, ever buy the Bowie release "Deram >Anthology 66-68." It's a complete waste of perfectly good petroleum >products and is hands down the most utterly faecal collection of music I've >ever bought. Hell, I'd take it over Never Let Me Down, Tin Machine II, Tonight.... It's silly fun. And it's so *comprehensive* and lengthy too, so it's a good value. And *certainly*, a historical curiosity. Incidentally, there was a neat Bowie compilation on Rhino a few years ago, called "Early On (1964-1966)." It was better than the above album, and showed a much stronger British Invasion influence. Unfortunately, I believe it's now out of print -- I'm not crazy about Rhino's recent "put 'em in print, grab some quick sales, and then yank 'em again" marketing strategy. Oh, as for Zaireeka, I've seen someone trying to sell a copy on Usenet several times...I'll forward his post if it comes up again. Coincidentally, I was looking up some groups (including the Lips) on CDNow last night, checking to see if certain albums are out of print. I discovered a few fairly important albums (to me, at least), which I didn't know were OOP in the States. Like: Alex Chilton's 1970, Blake Babies' Sunburn (on cassette only), Andy Partridge/Harold Budd's Through the Hill, Can's Soundtracks, Beefheart's Shiny Beast/Doc at the Radar Station/Ice Cream for Crow, the Lips' In a Priest-Driven Ambulance (can this be right??) and Oh My Gawd!!!...The Flaming Lips (on cassette only) and Wire's Pink Flag/154. I also didn't know all the Beat Happening albums which were reissued by Sub Pop are now only available on *vinyl*. However, maybe checking CDNow isn't a definitive answer to the "Is it in print?" question. I should probably doublecheck Amazon or label websites too, if I want an absolute answer. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:43:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: okay, first posting... >Hi,My name is Nathan and I'm in Florida. (altogether now:) HI, Nathan! Welcome to the ever-growing ranks of the FLA fegs! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:28:50 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: Andy where are my 15 years (100% not interesting stuff) Well normaly I stay still and lurk, unless I realy have somthing = enlighting to say.=20 but today there's somthing I wanna share ;-) well it's 15 years today since I purchased my first SB record = (underwater moonlight). I remember it clearly since it was friday the = 13th. the following sunday I got can of bees and black snake, and the = rest is history... time realy flies init? All the best(and so is music) NOE PS can you imagin I haven't seen Robyn live yet? Live alone me living in = Israel, I lived in London for two fucking years and he never came toi = the UK during that period. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:29:05 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: cyclopean >> > sexier. What hidden and Cyclopean* depths have I missed, and how might >> > I plumb them? >> > >> > Drew >> > >> > * Sorry...I'm reading the canonical Lovecraft stories for the first time >> > and he is obsessed with this word. I have yet to look up exactly what >> > he means by it. >> >>"one-eyed" > > From what Lovecraft I've read, I'd say he uses it more often to mean >something akin to "titanic" or "gigantic." he does. But sadly in most of the 'literature' I've been forced to read, it mean: >1 often capitalized : of, relating to, or characteristic of a Cyclops >2: HUGE, MASSIVE >3: of or relating to a style of stone construction marked typically by >the use of >large irregular blocks without mortar 4: monocular, with particular reference to visual effects which are more readily apparent than when viewed binocularly. James (still doing visual perception research...) PS - good to see the quail back, and PPS - coincidentally, playing on my car stereo on the way in to varsity: All over the place (daimn but I like that album!) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:13:38 -0700 From: Chris Gillis Subject: Re: Selling and dividing yer histoy Eb wrote: > > >Live at Leeds is a classic and the new version is quite a bit cleaner than > >the older version. > > Not to mention the new bonus tracks, which *significantly* up the album's > worth for me. I found all the jamming on the original LP a bit tiresome, > but it goes down a lot better when there's some short pop songs like > "Tattoo" to add variety. I think the reissue is a fine one, but I miss the old order and crackle, for which I bought the LP. This is one of the albums that blew my mind in a very young life of one Chris Gillis. The entire Who cataolog has been handled rather poorly considering its merit, not to mention markability if packaged correctly. > > >Sweetheart of the Rodeo > > Maybe a bit overrated, but still very, very good. This album cannot be overrated. Simply brilliant. Kindly, .chris - -- chris@photogenica.net http://photogenica.net - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:50:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Sellng nd diviing yur hitoy Jason: >>Incidentally, there was a neat Bowie compilation on Rhino a few years ago, >>called "Early On (1964-1966)." > >I finally picked up this compilation from Amazon just a few months ago and >it looks like the collection is still for sale at CD-Now. Yes, true. However, the CD is *not* listed in Rhino's current giveaway catalog.... Someone else: > Sweetheart of the Rodeo is probably the first country-rock album of all >time and a classic. >I'll admit that it's not up The Flying Burrito >Brothers "Guilded >Palace of Sin" or Gram Parsons "GP" and "Grevious Angel", and Gram's >International Submarine >Band's "Safe at Home" came out before SHOTR. That doesn't take away from >SHOTR's cutting edge >sound for the time and influence on spawning the country-rock sound of the >late 60's early 70's. Yeah...well, see, this is the old "It came first" argument, which often causes good albums to be overrated as great ones (in my opinion). Some "classic" albums are classics because they're great albums, others seem to be "classic" as much because they came first and were ahead of their time. The Stooges' debut is terribly dull in places and inappropriately produced, but it's a "classic" because it was ahead of its time. I can easily think of some other albums which fall in this category for me: the Modern Lovers' debut, anything by the New York Dolls, Suicide...all decent-to-good albums, but if they had been released in a later time period, they wouldn't have nearly so elevated a reputation. On the other hand, "Heroin" and "Venus in Furs" would be classics in any year.... I do like Sweetheart a lot, but some of its tracks just make me think, "OK, so they covered a country tune. Whoopee." As the above person says, I don't think it compares with the Flying Burritos' debut. I also prefer Buffalo Springfield Again, although that album isn't as overtly country.... Eb PS Don't expect any daytime posts from me tomorrow...I have *jury duty*! And it *would* have to be the day on which Amy Correia appears live on KCRW!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Selling and dividing your history "Thomas, Ferris" wrote: > Now, now, Jeff... > > Live at Leeds is a classic and the new version is quite a bit cleaner > than the older version. this and stevie are all i've been able to listen to so far...very good; i normally don't really like live albums, but > Quadrophenia: one of my favorite Who albums...you won't get me > blaspheming here. > > Stereolab: I'll agree that the packaging is annoying--it won't fit > in the old CD rack. i'm not so much concerned about that (it fits on my shelves okay) as the cardboard "spokes" for holding the CD in place aren't that stable...in fact one of them has already come loose. i'm just going to have to get a double jewel to put the discs in, and have it set next to the book. > Byrds: don't know (never been that big a fan, honestly). > > Stevie: It would have made a better single than a double albumen. maybe..a couple of the songs on the second disc could use a little shortening. the kids calling back section on "black man" is kinda cheesy. oh well. some great stuff though. even if will smith's fucked up a lot of it already. > I take it you're questioning just having spent the money...but if > it's a 'shouldn't have bought because it's crap' list--and there's > nothing readily questionable on the your list of purchases--then I've > got advice for you. (Everyone else perk up and listen, as well.) it's not that...i just went in expecting to spend $30 or so (not counting the carly simon album i bought for my mother's b-day present), and spent more..so it's more top ramen than expected for the next week. that's okay though; i like top ramen. and if any of it had been/ends up being crap, i'd/i'll just take it back for the 70% trade. > Under no circumstances should anyone ever, ever buy the Bowie release > "Deram Anthology 66-68." It's a complete waste of perfectly good > petroleum products and is hands down the most utterly faecal > collection of music I've ever bought. I'm so put off by it I haven't > even bothered to get rid of it yet. I would have to admit to owning > it to do that and then people would...oh...I...err....crap.... my little brother has it. i mock him for owning it. it is fun!! - -Original Message----- > From: Jeff Dwarf [mailto:munki1972@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:55 AM > To: Druid " "Rock Persons > Subject: Selling and dividing your history > > > What i spent money i shouldn't've on: > > The Who: Live at Leeds (new; reissue) > The Who: Quadrophenia (used; reissue) > Stereolab: Aluminum Tunes (new; hate the packaging) > The Byrds: Sweetheart of the Rodeo (used but shrinkwrapped; reissue) > Stevie Wonder: Songs in the Key of Life (used; reissue) > > nothing that bizarre i'm afraid...haven't had a chance to listen to > them yet > > ===== > "[I]t's important for the maintenance of consensus that some people > keep on > being scared of what might happen and probably won't; otherwise, they > would > not be such easy prey for what can happen and actually has. There is > even a > name for this tactic -- it's called 'triangulation' -- and eight > years of it > have been much more than enough." -- Christopher Hichens in Mother > Jones, > Sep/Oct 2000 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ===== "[I]t's important for the maintenance of consensus that some people keep on being scared of what might happen and probably won't; otherwise, they would not be such easy prey for what can happen and actually has. There is even a name for this tactic -- it's called 'triangulation' -- and eight years of it have been much more than enough." -- Christopher Hichens in Mother Jones, Sep/Oct 2000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #256 *******************************