From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #253 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, September 11 2000 Volume 09 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- 50 Cent Haircut Robyn Cover. [Capuchin ] Robyn Roll Jeopardy [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: AC at LP (where was Hef??) [Terrence Marks ] [ebmaniax-l] It must be concert season or something... [Eb ] Re: pflengy newton [GSS ] RE: our forgetful friend [Gene Hopstetter ] drunk guys from Dayton [Natalie Jacobs ] music debt ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: drunk guys from Dayton [Aaron Mandel ] re: music debt [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: drunk guys from Dayton [dmw ] RE: drunk guys from Dayton ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: drunk guys from Dayton [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: drunk guys from Dayton [lj lindhurst ] Re: music debt [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: 50 Cent Haircut Robyn Cover. Have you guys heard this? http://www.speakeasy.org/~capuchin/other/50_Cent_Haircut_-_When_I_Was_Dead.mp3 Damn. Viv doesn't like it so much, but I think it's great. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:55:17 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Robyn Roll Jeopardy I was halfway watching Rock 'n' Roll Jeoprady the other day (while working out) and was stunned to find a question involving our main man. The category was something like: 'Sounds Like Produce,' and I believe it was a $200 in the Double Jeopardy round (i.e., 2nd round). The answer was along the lines of: 'Robyn Hitchcock 'n' the Egyptians covered this song commonly known as "Day-O" ' The answer being "The Banana Boat Song." I nearly fell off the treadmill! - -----Michael K. ps - nice to have met John Jenks and Jeanne last night :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:52:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: AC at LP (where was Hef??) On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Eb wrote: > No major narrative today (seemed like my last one fell on deaf ears, and > there isn't much to report anyway) I dug it. I just didn't have much to say about it. > (You know, sometimes I think we'd launch a lot of interesting dialogues if > people would post more about their musical shopping trips....) I picked up 20 albums for $20 the other day. Rooted through about that many dollar bins, talked to the owner about exotica and obscure 60s psych. I went in looking for James Brown and Dick Gregory. Six of the albums were on the Command label, and four mentioned percussion in the title. I think I have enough hi-fi easy music to last me a few months now. I'm also beginning to think that Provocative Percussion was far-and-away the best that the genre has to offer. I'm also beginning to think that Rain Parade was just about the best that Paisley Underground had to offer. High points: Les Paul & Mary Ford's "The Hitmakers", Martin Denny's "A Taste of Honey", the Electric Eclectics of Dick Hyman, "Bongos & Brass", Frank Barber's "Melodic Percussion". Low points: Ruefrex' "Flowers for all Occasions", The Hollyridge Strings' "Beach Boys Songbook" I picked up "Introspection IV", by Johnny Gunn. If you had Shelly Berman writing for Napoleon XIV and Twilight Zone music in the background, this is what it would sound like. Also, I recently found out about Andre Popp (whose "Delerium in Hi-Fi" is currently availabe on alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era). He's got the craziest sound I've heard, between his arrangements and tape speed effects. I can't identify half the sounds. I thought Esquivel was inventive. If I had an Esquivel poster up, I would've torn it down to make room for an Andre Popp poster (if I had one of those, too...). Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:31:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: [ebmaniax-l] It must be concert season or something... Well, once again, I ventured out into concertland last night. A natural counterbalance to the no-concert doldrums of this year's early months? At the very last minute (i.e., around 7:00 PM), a Richard Thompson ticket fell in my lap. This show was more local, at a "dinner theater" adjacent to Edison Field (where the Anaheim Angels play ball). Unfortunately, I arrived too late to see much of opening act David Lindley. Judging from the one song I heard, I suspect I would've enjoyed his set quite a bit. After all, I do own about 2.5 albums' worth of Kaleidoscope material, and it's always fun to see someone playing arcane string instruments. He was accompanied by drummer Wally Ingram, whose name sounds familiar but I don't know why. I don't have much to say about Thompson, especially since my Thompson collection is quite incomplete and I'm not too good at identifying his song titles (oops). It was a great show, though. Nice to cleanse the palette with a "professional," grown-up show every so often, before plunging back into the indie grime. I ended up with a surprisingly close seat (fifth row, left-center), though this venue only holds 700-800 folks, anyway. Thompson's backing band included a drummer, an upright bassist (interesting, seeing the unusual electric guitar/upright combo) and a versatile gent who played "everything else" (baritone flute, saxophones, dulcimer, guitar, mandolin, tambourine...). Thompson was all in black, including a beret. Two encores, seven songs' worth (including "Wall of Death," "Valerie" and "1952 Vincent Black Lightning"). He said some funny things now and then, including a needling explanation of what a bus is (see, us L.A. folk wouldn't know...). Oh, and here's something which certain Fgz will enjoy -- for no apparent reason, he mentioned that he and his band had been exchanging "musician talk" backstage, and had concluded that Rush is actually closer to Anne Murray than Poison. I'm not sure what that means, but I'm always ready to laugh at someone taking the air out of Rush. ;) The interactive highlight of the night came courtesy of an early 40's, smoky-smelling woman seated next to me. Before the show, she sorta tapped me and asked if I knew anything about Richard Thompson. See, apparently, the Sun Theater has this new exclusive, members-only bar out front: The Sun Dial Lounge. You pay $3,000 a year, and get yearlong access to the bar, shows, corporate parties and things. This woman was a member, and had been given the choice of a premium ticket to either Richard Thompson, the Little River Band (woooo) or Joan Osborne. Umm, I think she chose the right show. ;) Anyway, I told her a few brief things about Thompson (around since the '60s...Fairport Convention...past records with his wife...ugly breakup, etc.). As the show progressed, she seemed to be enjoying it. However, after the fourth or fifth song (my favorite song of the night, and I don't even know its name!), which featured some particularly inspired guitar soloing, I tapped her and added something about what an amazing guitarist Thompson is and what a great reputation his playing has. Well, this comment seemed to mysteriously set her off. She brusquely rattled off some readymade defense about how she's really into guitar-playing, especially Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Kenny Wayne Shepherd, and how she's a musician herself and knows her stuff. Uh-huh...so how come she hadn't heard of Richard Thompson, I'm thinking? Needless to say, I didn't bother aggravating her further by telling her that Thompson's playing speaks to me far more than Clapton's, Vaughan's or (gulp) Shepherd's ever will. Well, we didn't speak again, and about 45-50 minutes into the show, she got up and left, never to return. Heh. I love these incongruous, chance meetings.... When-it-rains-it-pours department: I may be seeing another semi-exclusive concert tonight, but I'm not going to mention it by name and possibly "jinx" it. Eb http://users.deltanet.com/~gondola/np.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:44:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: LP (where was Hef??) Terrence: >I picked up 20 albums for $20 the other day. Rooted through about that >many dollar bins, talked to the owner about exotica and obscure 60s psych. >I went in looking for James Brown and Dick Gregory. You're lucky you're tucked away in Florida. Around these parts, bargain exotica records are pretty much tapped out. >High points: the Electric Eclectics of Dick Hyman I have this...I paid a quarter for it, several years ago. Last weekend, I saw it on sale for $50. Wow. >Low points: The Hollyridge Strings' "Beach Boys Songbook" I have that Hollyridge/Beach record, too. ;) Plus five or six other Hollyridge Strings records (mostly connected to the Beatles). >Also, I recently found out about Andre Popp (whose "Delerium in Hi-Fi" is >currently availabe on alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era). He's got the >craziest sound I've heard, between his arrangements and tape speed >effects. I can't identify half the sounds. Huh...sounds interesting. I do think Esquivel is overrated, though.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:55:17 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: pflengy newton > his band had been exchanging "musician talk" backstage, and had concluded > that Rush is actually closer to Anne Murray than Poison. Hell yes, at least Anne Murray has balls. Poison is much more like kenny g. or van halen or riot. gssalia "I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:54:18 -0500 From: Gene Hopstetter Subject: RE: our forgetful friend > From: Bayard > Subject: our forgetful friend > > so at the 33 degrees instore last year (aug 7) someone requested "the > vomiting cross" and Robyn didn't seem to know or even remember it > I think I yelled "Arnold Layne" but he didn't do it. Feh! I've been trying to hear him do that for the last five times I've seen him perform. > ps. Gene, I can see you and your camera flashes in this video i have of > the instore! > I was there, alright. But those couldn't have been my camera flashes -- I was using an Apple QuickTake, which has no flash. BTW, I do recall someone videotaping the performance. A rather attractive woman, late-30s-ish, with very light blond, or white hair, if I recall correctly. Is that who you got the video from? And does she happen to be Michelle Noach, by any chance? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: LP (where was Hef??) On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Eb wrote: > You're lucky you're tucked away in Florida. Around these parts, bargain > exotica records are pretty much tapped out. For $20 more, I could've picked up everything else in the town with Enoch Light's name on it. (and Dick Hyman, Hugo Montenegro, Martin Denny, and everyone else of note. No Les Baxter in Gainesville.) It's not like there's a big stash. It's just that I'm the only guy buying them. There's one store where I can get things like this. Just one. This is the first time I bought albums in two years because there just weren't any records in town that I wanted. Fort Lauderdale is even worse. Used records go for $6-10 at most places and the bargain bins are all low-budget classical and scratched-up Elton John hits collections. Musically, it's not that great a place. I mean, guess how many shows Spinal Tap have played here lately. The live scene is mostly dead since the _only_ decent spot in Gainesville closed. I don't think we got more than four national acts here during all of last year (Cee Knowledge of Digable Planets and the funky Meters are the most memorable ones. Not exactly the most impressive bands). The better local acts (For Squirrels/Subrosa, Noah's Red Tattoo, bloom, The Congratulations Fleet. Bonus points to anyone who's heard of the last three) have all left. I mean, there used to be a scene here and now there isn't. > >High points: the Electric Eclectics of Dick Hyman > > I have this...I paid a quarter for it, several years ago. Last weekend, I > saw it on sale for $50. Wow. That's what I told the guy. He didn't care. I've seen it on eBay for $10. > >Low points: The Hollyridge Strings' "Beach Boys Songbook" > > I have that Hollyridge/Beach record, too. ;) Plus five or six other > Hollyridge Strings records (mostly connected to the Beatles). Yeah. I heard some of their Beatles stuff on mp3, so I got this (no, mp3 piracy didn't help the band. They didn't get any of the $1.00 that I paid for it). I was expecting something more creative. > >Also, I recently found out about Andre Popp (whose "Delerium in Hi-Fi" is > >currently availabe on alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era). He's got the > >craziest sound I've heard, between his arrangements and tape speed > >effects. I can't identify half the sounds. > > Huh...sounds interesting. I do think Esquivel is overrated, though.... Oh, he is. A lot of his stuff is fairly bland. It's the occasional gem (like his bongos-and-whisting version of Sentimental Journey) that make him worthwhile. now adding to the "Donate to charity" pile- Dream Academy's self-titled. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: drunk guys from Dayton So I bought Guided by Voices' "Hold On Hope" EP the other day and can't stop listening to it. It's my first GbV purchase. Oh Pollardian prophets, what should I buy next? (Sorry, "everything" is not a viable answer.) "Do the Collapse," possibly? I really, really like Pollard's voice. At times (with his fake English accent) he sounds alarmingly like Martin Newell. This is a good thing. n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: music debt [Eb ebbed:] > (You know, sometimes I think we'd launch a lot of interesting dialogues > if > people would post more about their musical shopping trips....) Might be more monologues. For what it's worth, my last definitely-couldn't- afford-it haul included albums by: Apoptygma Berserk Thomas Dolby Adam Ant Erasure The Pretenders Black Tape For a Blue Girl Rasputina Tones on Tail Kraftwerk some obscure combo called The Soft Boys Black Heart Procession and a couple recordings of Gorecki and Schoenberg pieces. (You know; Gorecki and Schoenberg, that hot club duo.) Jorge beat me to a Cornelius album priced at $2.50 in a thrift store on Valencia. Bastard! Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: drunk guys from Dayton On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > So I bought Guided by Voices' "Hold On Hope" EP the other day and > can't stop listening to it. It's my first GbV purchase. Oh > Pollardian prophets, what should I buy next? (Sorry, "everything" is > not a viable answer.) "Do the Collapse," possibly? if it's the song "Hold On Hope" you like, i'm not sure what to recommend. maybe some Smart Brown Handbag albums, as there's very little other GbV that sounds that way. if you like the rest of the EP, start with Under The Bushes Under The Stars... Do The Collapse is the most like the HOH EP of the albums, but isn't quite as consistent. from there i would go to the Propeller/Bee Thousand/Alien Lanes trio, or maybe the Pollard solo album Waved Out. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:00:46 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: re: music debt Hmmm.....sometimes I wonder if I belong on the list anymore. My recent purchases: Steve Earle and the Del McCoury Band, "The Mountain" Robin Bullock, "Between Earth and Sky" Iris Dement, "Infamous Angel" Highwoods Stringband, "Feed Your Babies Onions So You Can See Them in the Dark" Planxty "Planxty" Don't know if anyone on the list is familiar with any of these acts...well, I'm sure some of ya are anyway. Hmmm....no indie/rock/pop on the list....I'm kinda bored with indie rock and with pop/rock in general. Robyn Hitchcock was one of my last great pop loves. I rarely recognize alot of the bands people talk about on the list these days.... On a vaguely related note, I was at an instrumental workshop this weekend. The performers and instructors were all incredible musicians. I took alot of guitar classes from Robin Bolluck, for instance....but during the artist performances, as the goosebumps were forming on my skin, I realized how strange it is that stadiums get stuffed with people going to see Brittany Spears, or how the Ani DiFranco concert got sold out in our town....that show was OK, she had some drummers and horn players...but it was pretty plain and boring (to me anyway). To each their own, but sometimes I wonder about why so many people value that stuff. I guess they just must connect to their image or lyrics in some way (or to the marketing campaign anyway). I was also thinking about how much modern music like techno and hip-hop rely so much on computer code, midi, sampling, and sequencing, that no one needs to even pick up and play an instrument....although I do recognize the skill it takes to program, and I recognize the creativity in some of the music. But I feel like a dinosaur for loving the feel of old wood and strings under my fingers, and how it takes emotion, expression, creativity, and technique to draw sweet notes out of these old-fashioned instruments. When I pick up my fiddle, or my guitar, or my banjo, or my mandolin, or my cittern, I'm stunned by how many different tones there are out there in these physical objects. Anyway....I feel like I'm free-falling out of the popular culture at a pretty rapid pace. Well, that's just me I guess....part of a different fringe culture now I guess ;-) Sorry for the rant....just in that mood today. S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** At 09:07 AM 9/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >[Eb ebbed:] >> (You know, sometimes I think we'd launch a lot of interesting dialogues >> if >> people would post more about their musical shopping trips....) > >Might be more monologues. For what it's worth, my last >definitely-couldn't- >afford-it haul included albums by: > >Apoptygma Berserk >Thomas Dolby >Adam Ant >Erasure >The Pretenders >Black Tape For a Blue Girl >Rasputina >Tones on Tail >Kraftwerk >some obscure combo called The Soft Boys >Black Heart Procession > >and a couple recordings of Gorecki and Schoenberg pieces. (You know; >Gorecki and Schoenberg, that hot club duo.) Jorge beat me to a Cornelius >album priced at $2.50 in a thrift store on Valencia. Bastard! > >Drew > > >===== >Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com >http://www.stormgreen.com/ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:14:31 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: drunk guys from Dayton On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > > > So I bought Guided by Voices' "Hold On Hope" EP the other day and > > can't stop listening to it. It's my first GbV purchase. Oh > > Pollardian prophets, what should I buy next? (Sorry, "everything" is > > not a viable answer.) "Do the Collapse," possibly? > > if you like the rest of the EP, start with Under The Bushes Under The > Stars... Do The Collapse is the most like the HOH EP of the albums, but > isn't quite as consistent. > > from there i would go to the Propeller/Bee Thousand/Alien Lanes trio, or > maybe the Pollard solo album Waved Out. to aaron's adept summing up, taking into account that everyone likes "under the bushes..." better than i do, i'd add a shout-out for _speak kindly of your volunteer fire department_, released under the "robert pollard & doug gillard" name. i'd leave _do the collapse_ until pretty late in the completist game. - -- d. np borodin sq, lvb sq#13 Bb op. 130 (again) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:31:28 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: drunk guys from Dayton > to aaron's adept summing up, taking into account that everyone likes > "under the bushes..." better than i do, i'd add a shout-out for _speak > kindly of your volunteer fire department_, released under the "robert > pollard & doug gillard" name. i'd leave _do the collapse_ until pretty > late in the completist game. Except that it's the Hold On Hope EP that caught Natalie's attention, and that EP is very similar, in terms of production and accessibility, to Do The Collapse. If you want more of the same, DTC is the only place in Pollard's oeuvre to find it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Re: drunk guys from Dayton > if you like the rest of the EP, start with Under The Bushes Under The > Stars... The guy at the record store steered me away from Under the Bushes, but I suppose everyone's taste varies. This guy told me about a friend of his who had a list of how many times you had to listen to each GbV album in order to get into it. For instance, "Bee Thousand" was a one-time listen, while some other album took thirteen listens and another one took eighteen or nineteen listens. Shades of "High Fidelity"... n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:55:08 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: drunk guys from Dayton WHY, funny that, I was just posting a couple of weeks ago how I cannot stop listening to "Do the Collapse". If you like the "Hold On Hope" ep, you will LOVE the record. I'm not even that crazy about the ep, but the record rules my life right now--I play it at least 5 or 6 times a week, and most of the time when I play it, I play and replay certain songs over and over again: "Teenage FBI", "Hold On Hope", "In Stitches", "Dragons Awake", "Much Better Mr. Buckles", and "Liquid Indian" all get at least 3 replays each... Yes, I am an overly obsessive listener, but this record is truly amazing. It's the best thing I've heard since "Aeroplane Over the Sea", and it DID make me go wheee! I can't believe Rik Ocasik produced that record! And yes, "Under the Bushes..." is also an excellent record, though most GBV fans swear by "Bee Thousand", which is also good. "Alien Lanes" is probably the quintessential GBV sound, but I do prefer the direction Pollard seems to be going in these days-- i.e., less murky 30 second songs and more fully-produced, full-length songs with lots of great hooks and incredible strange lyrics. That was always my problem with them; the songs were great, but just as soon as you started to like them, they ended! I do have to say, however, that I am not too crazy about "Mag Earwhig". But maybe I need to give it eighteen more listens. heh. A friend of mine saw them in concert and said they were totally drunk and that in the space of two hours they probably played a good 90 songs. I thought that was hilarious! but anyway, enough from me... lj - -- ******************************** LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com ******************************** Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:09:46 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: music debt on 9/11/00 10:00 AM, Stephen Buckalew at sbuckalew@minitab.com wrote: > Iris Dement, "Infamous Angel" > > Don't know if anyone on the list is familiar with any of these acts...well, > I'm sure some of ya are anyway. Iris Dement is an angel sent straight from Heaven. I caught her on Austin City Limits once and her performance caused me to weep like a little girl. "Infamous Angel" is one of my most treasured albums. - -t "now I'm all verklempt" c ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #253 *******************************