From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #238 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 25 2000 Volume 09 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- YYZ Fields Forever (Rush content 1%) [Glen Uber ] Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) [hbrandt ] Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) [Eb ] Yeah, I know... and I'm sorry... ["matt sewell" ] Blurb about The Soft Boys [Griffith Davies ] Re: Blurb about The Soft Boys [Ken Ostrander ] The end of all trends [JH3 ] RE: Blurb about The Soft Boys ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: The end of all trends [Eb ] Re: The end of all trends [Christopher Gross ] Re: Blurp and Slurp [Eb ] help me with a tagline (0% robyn content) [John Barrington-Jones ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: YYZ Fields Forever (Rush content 1%) On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Randy R. wrote: >I was wondering when this trend started as well. Just to take a wild guess, >I'd say "The Target Center" in Minneapolis, home to the Minnesota >Timberwolves (and several Rush concerts). I say this because it was the >first time I'd ever heard of this happening. I remember being stunned, >thinking "they're naming an arena after a discount store? what the f*&* is >going on"? Actually, I can go you one better: Wrigley Field. Come to think of it, I can go you 2 better: Busch Stadium. Roll the bones, - -g- "I stopped smoking to see if Denis Leary would, too." --Bill Hicks "I stole all of Denis Leary's best stuff. And just to throw people off, I performed it three years before he did." --Bill Hicks "The reason Denis Leary became popular and Bill Hicks didn't is because there's 'No Cure For Cancer.'" --Kevin Booth +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:40:52 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) > > >My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? > > >Not many I can think of at the moment. MileHigh Stadium still exists (for now). When they build the new MileHigh (next year), they will probably auction off the name to the highest corporate bidder. I, personally, couldn't care less. I'm more interested in seeing if they give the cool million to that crusty old homophobic fucker Rudy tonight. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:23:35 -0700 From: "Rocco, Son of Madonna" Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (but won't) At 03:32 PM 8/23/00 -0700, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >does anyone >first think of QualComm when they think of where the Chargers or Padres >play? I don't, but I know a number of people that probably do. Interestingly enough, when they renamed San Diego's Jack Murphy (nicknamed "the Murph") to QualComm, people around these parts quickly began referring to it as "The Q," unintentionally thwarting the main reason some ugly software company would drop millions of dollars into a promotional-advertising stunt like that in the first place: brand name recognition through constant free publicity. They're building the Padres a new corporate-welfare stadium downtown, so they won't be playing at QualComm too much longer. And now that the Padres have their new ballpark coming, Alex Spanos, owner of the Chargers, is bitching for a new stadium for his team as well - even though Jack Murphy/QualComm just underwent a major refurbishment. In fact, the reason the whole Murphy/QualComm name-change deal went down was because QualComm stepped in and donated enough cash to complete the project when the whores in our city government were prevented from stealing enough public funds to pay for it. Of course, the money for the Padres' new ballpark could have instead gone into building libraries or even a publicly owned power plant. But I guess deregulation of the power industry has proven to be much better course of action. ;-) - --Jason "Journey to Tantraland is composed to harmonize the energies and thoughts of sexual nature. This music is composed to be used for massage therapy as well as love making." Thornton - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:39:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: YYZ Fields Forever (Rush content 1%) On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Glen Uber wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Randy R. wrote: > > >I was wondering when this trend started as well. Just to take a wild guess, > >I'd say "The Target Center" in Minneapolis, home to the Minnesota > >Timberwolves (and several Rush concerts). I say this because it was the > >first time I'd ever heard of this happening. I remember being stunned, > >thinking "they're naming an arena after a discount store? what the f*&* is > >going on"? > > Actually, I can go you one better: Wrigley Field. Come to think of it, I > can go you 2 better: Busch Stadium. Those don't really count because the owner of the teams and stadiums were the owners of that business. Heck Comisky was in some other business in addition to baseball. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:01:37 -0700 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (but won't) FW: A trend that needs to end quickly (but won't)Jeff Dwarf beat: >>As was Jack Murphy Stadium, Candlestick, the Capital Centre, the Rose=20 >>Bowl (now presented by AT&T), and the Coliseum.=20 >isn't it only the game itself that's present by AT&T, not the stadium?=20 >not that isn't noxious in of itselg (though its better than the AT&T=20 >Rose Bowl, or as happened to the Sun Bowl for years, the John Hancock=20 >Bowl.=20 Yes, it's just the game itself, I was just blanking on other stadia = which had undergone corporate name changes (as opposed to getting their = corporate moniker upon construction). I believe the Rose Bowl was the = last bowl game to sell out. The Weedeater Independence Bowl? Sheesh. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Randy R. wrote: > The Seattle Seahawks are currently constructing a new stadium and it has yet > to be named. One name that's been shopped around is "The Starbucks Coffee > Grounds". I'm hoping Paul Allen names it after his parents or something like everything else on the UW campus. He at least has history of not selling the names of his stadiums like the Rose Garden in Portland. Or maybe he'll name it after his own company Vulcan Northwest. Vulcan Stadium i like that, totally geeky! Seattle already has the best and worst of bought and sold names stadium names. Key Arena (named after Key Bank) works ok and doesnt scream corporate whore, Safeco Field is an awful name, and Bank of America Arena at Hec Edmundson Pavilion is just frankensteinish! Seafirst Arena at Hec Edmundson Pavillion was markedly better but still sucked. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (but won't) On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Chris Franz wrote: > The Weedeater Independence Bowl? Sheesh. I think its just the Weedeater Bowl now. Scary, eh? Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:40:34 +1200 (NZST) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: Stadia >My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? >Not many I can think of at the moment. Hell, even college bowls now have >sponsors. Here in NZ, it's still rare for stadia to be named after corporations, and there's usually a helluva stink when one changes its name due to sponsorship (as happened when Lancaster Park (Christchurch) changed its name to Jade Stadium. Of the five other main stadia in NZ only two (Westpac stadium and Ericsson Stadium) have corporate names - the others are Eden Park , Carisbrook, and the Basin Reserve. And in the UK, it's still a majority of stadia that have corporate names. Millennium Stadium, Wembley (soon to become Wembley), Ibrox Park, Anfield, Twickenham, The Oval, Lord's, Highbury, White Hart Lane... none are corporation names.As to "The stadium of light", the mind boggles as to where that name came from... Perhaps it'spredominately an American thing... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:54:57 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: toilet bowl... How about the Tuck's Pads Painful Rectal Itch Bowl, the Depends Incontinence Bowl, the RJ Reynolds Cancer Bowl, the Eb Gondola/Stayfree Freshness Bowl, and of course the Eddie "Effin'" Tews International Conglomerate's Capitalism Blows Big Chunks at Yo' Mama Bowl? Y'all should follow collegiate athletics closer. Glad I could help. Happies, - -Mark "the glosterster" Gloster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:40:51 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: chalk one up for the ebber so...i finally picked up a used copy of owsley's most recent one (it only came out last year sometime). holy cow! why did i wait this long? he's like a mishmash of xtc, joe jackson, and the good parts of the pursuit of happiness. go figure. it's much more hi-fi than i expected, but i may have been misremembering what Eb wrote in his recommendation. in any event, good call -- very nice. +w p.s. i'm holding out for the tidy bowl bowl. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:52:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) Does this list have an award for "Most Unlikely Thread to Flourish"? Sheesh. Q: What did Geddy Lee say, when he met Margaret Hamilton? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:57:43 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (but won't) Jeff Dwarf: >and they do beat the hell out of what that moron running for president >decided to name the new stadium they were building for his team (the >previously mentioned -------- -- ---------). NOT NOT NOT his team, Jeff. He was the front man for a group of about 60 investors. MLB did not want the team sold to a guy that owns several TV stations, thus setting up another super station deal. But MLB needed someone to buy the team and keep it in Arlington. Due to nothing more than his family name, Bush became "managing general partner" (or something like). He got 1.5 percent of the team for $600,000 (of which, $540,000 was "loaned" to him by one of his rich friends). There was an escalator clause that gave him something like 10 percent upon sale of the team, netting something around $12,000,000. As usual, Bush did diddly. I doubt he even picked the name, which was submitted in a contest. BTW, there are now some "The ********** in Arlington" developments around the stadium. I think one is called The Office Park in Arlington. __________ Dallas just resold the naming rights to its music shed. What was the Coca-Cola Starplex is now the Smirnoff Music Center. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:31:37 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly J Brown: >I think the new comisky was built before this trend started. Well, I dunno when the trend started, but we've also got a Wrigley Field which wasn't named yesterday. Technically I suppose it's a family name in this case, but really........ Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:55:46 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: especially for eddie lj lindhurst wrote: > > http://www.twilight3d.com/humour/temp/ Reminds me of student days, when the porter at Strathclyde University Union could never understand why people wanted to page a Scots-African student, Mboza Ritchie... (it loses something in translation from the Glaswegian) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:13:08 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some srv) > Dallas just resold the naming rights to its music shed. What was the > Coca-Cola Starplex is now the Smirnoff Music Center. Yeah, I can't believe they did that. It was originally just The Starplex and the initial location was at Banner and Cloister(?) right behind Park Central, basically at the sw corner of 635 and 75. Real cool place with tables on the floor, which were the only reserved seats, and an open lawn area. The whole thing was surrounded by a hill so it kinda sat down in a basin. Somewhat intimate, not small, but certainly not large. I went to see SRV there just a couple months before he died. I had seen a lot of good guitar players before then, but I was caught completely off guard when I watched him. It might have been that experience that helped respark my musical interests. I grew out of the blues thing, but for a while after seeing Stevie, blues was the only thing I would play. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:04:49 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: live at the cambridge folk festival i got a copy of the fuel 2000 records release of _live at the cambridge folk festival_. it's essentially identical to the strange fruit release (same out-of-order track listing, alas). the only real difference, aside from the cosmetic copyright details, are that the screened artwork on the cd itself is a single color (black) instead of mutli-colored like the original. big woop. i asked the fuel 2000 guys about the incorrect track listing and the belated update to the website. the have yet to answer me... here are the details for all the discography buffs: Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians Live at the Cambridge Folk Festival Fuel 2000 Records (no catalog number, but the UPC code 302 061 070 2 is used instead) Track Listing (incorrect): 1. So You Think You're In Love 2. Driving Aloud 3. Uncorrected Personality Trait 4. Satellite 5. Birds in Perspex 6. Railway Shoes 7. The Yip! Song 8. Egyptian Cream 9. Globe of Frogs 10. Oceanside Actual running order: 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 3, 8, 4, 9, 10 woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:19:26 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Yeah, I know... and I'm sorry... The unattractive and in many ways desperate Plastic Factory beseech you to take pity on their dismal status as not-even-rans by attending their performance of turgid old rubbish at the Cricketers Arms, Iffley Road, Oxford, Friday night... Should be a great night, if your definition of "great" is "not having to pay to get in and then being able to buy beer" Hope y'all can make it... even those (ahem) on a different continent... Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:26:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Blurb about The Soft Boys Fegs, Check out www.remhq.com/news for some pictures and small article about The Soft Boys & Peter Buck. griffith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:01:11 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Blurb about The Soft Boys how is it that peter dresses stranger than robyn? are those his jammies? >Check out www.remhq.com/news for some pictures and >small article about The Soft Boys & Peter Buck. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:31:21 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: The end of all trends woj writes: >p.s. i'm holding out for the tidy bowl bowl. COOL! A bowl game named after my horse! And Eb: >Q: What did Geddy Lee say, when he met Margaret Hamilton? Probably something like, "Sure, I know you were in the Wizard of Oz, but I'll always remember you for your stellar work in my all-time favorite TV series, 'Sigmund and the Sea Monsters'..." But maybe you were hoping for "Surrender Dorothy"? I tried to buy the naming rights to the toolshed outside my house, but apparently they'd already been snapped up by International House of Pancakes, Inc. I'm still investigating this one. And if you think that thread is bad, virtually ALL of the other lists I'm on have had interminable self-indulgence-fests in the last 30 days in which people literally list every concert they've ever been to in their entire lives... I've GOT to get that artificial-intelligence e-mail blocker project finished. - -JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:08:54 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Blurb about The Soft Boys "Feghorn"? > Check out www.remhq.com/news for some pictures and > small article about The Soft Boys & Peter Buck. > > griffith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:49:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The end of all trends >Probably something like, "Sure, I know you were in the Wizard >of Oz, but I'll always remember you for your stellar work in my >all-time favorite TV series, 'Sigmund and the Sea Monsters'..." Margaret Hamilton wasn't in "Sigmund & the Sea Monsters." (Or maybe you were joking.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:45:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: The end of all trends > >Probably something like, "Sure, I know you were in the Wizard > >of Oz, but I'll always remember you for your stellar work in my > >all-time favorite TV series, 'Sigmund and the Sea Monsters'..." > > Margaret Hamilton wasn't in "Sigmund & the Sea Monsters." (Or maybe you > were joking.) Ah, but according to the IMDb she was. They list her as playing Miss Eddels. - --Chris, who only has the vaguest memories of "Sigmund & the Sea Monsters" np: Elvis Costello, My Aim Is True ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:17:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Blurp and Slurp >> >Probably something like, "Sure, I know you were in the Wizard >> >of Oz, but I'll always remember you for your stellar work in my >> >all-time favorite TV series, 'Sigmund and the Sea Monsters'..." >> >> Margaret Hamilton wasn't in "Sigmund & the Sea Monsters." (Or maybe you >> were joking.) > >Ah, but according to the IMDb she was. They list her as playing Miss >Eddels. Hrm. I guess I don't recall that. I assumed the original comment referred to the aunt whom Johnny/Scott (my god, I know their names) stayed with. And that actress was a very similar physical type to Margaret Hamilton (but a lot taller). So, I figured someone had goofed. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington-Jones Subject: help me with a tagline (0% robyn content) hey fegs- its me, lobstie (or jbj, or john b). can i get some opinions from y'all?? i work for triplee.com, which is a small, internet travel company with an environmental slant. we are trying to position ourselves as a green alternative to AAA (triple a). we offer stuff like roadside assistance, vacation home rentals, etc. we're gearing up for a nationwide site launch this fall, and are trying to come up with our "tagline". we've narrowed it down to two, and are trying to figure out which one people like better. 1. "What A Trip." 2. "Way To Go" (variations include "A Way To Go", "The Way To Go", etc) i know this precariously borders on spam, but the alternative is for me to go to some shopping mall and ask people, and i've got this summer cold, and don't like talking to strangers much. plus (and this is sincerity, not flattery), this list is full of some of the brightest, most creative people i know. i respect y'alls opinions more than i would joe-shmoe's in front of safeway or something. if you want to help me with this informal poll, email me privately. the sooner the better. thanks for keeping me indoors and comfortable, sloop john lobstah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:18:57 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Blurp and Slurp >>> Margaret Hamilton wasn't in "Sigmund & the Sea Monsters." (Or >>> maybe you were joking.) >>Ah, but according to the IMDb she was. They list her as playing Miss >>Eddels. >Hrm. I guess I don't recall that. I assumed the original comment referred >to the aunt whom Johnny/Scott (my god, I know their names) stayed with. >And that actress was a very similar physical type to Margaret Hamilton >(but a lot taller). So, I figured someone had goofed. Look, it really doesn't matter if Margaret Hamilton was actually on "Sigmund & the Sea Monsters" or not. What matters is, would GEDDY LEE have believed that she was? And since we all know that "Sigmund" is (and always has been) Geddy's favorite show, would he have put poor Margaret in an embarrassing position by gushing about her performance in a role that she would just as soon have forgotten? And if this meeting had actually occurred, would it have been *before* or *after* her death 15 years ago? Because if it was *after* her death, what the hell was he doing, talking to poor Margaret Hamilton's *corpse*? Is he some sort of necro-weirdo or something? If he is, is *that* why he sings in such a high-pitched voice? Or is it just because he's from Canada? And is this why the drummer has to write all the lyrics, because if Geddy were entrusted with lyric writing, maybe he'd freak the poor unsuspecting audience out completely with a load of barely coherent ravings about having conversations with corpses? Or, for that matter, Canadians? Speaking of which, that song "When I Was Dead" is a pretty good song. (Btw, is the Devil from Canada? I always assumed he was from Iowa.) John "sorry, no quote this time" Hedges ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #238 *******************************