From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #237 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 23 2000 Volume 09 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- quote of the day [Eb ] *robyn* quote of the day ["Consumer 666" ] looking for mr sharkboy ["Russ Reynolds" ] Split Enz/Finn question [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: Split Enz/Finn question ["Matt Browne" ] Re: *robyn* quote of the day ["Noe Shalev" ] Re: rabbie hitchcock ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Split Enz/Finn question [Michael R Godwin ] splititus infinnitives ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] A trend that needs to end quickly [Glen Uber ] Re: A trend that needs to end quickly [the real dick cheney ] Re: A trend that needs to end quickly [the real dick cheney ] Re: A trend that needs to end quickly ["J. Brown" ] especially for eddie [lj lindhurst ] heLP (misc. phonograph problems) [Terrence Marks ] RE: A trend that needs to end quickly ["Chris Franz" Subject: quote of the day An excerpt from a letter to CDNow, protesting its negative review of a Pearl Jam show.... "...I am a 16-year-old girl. And, yes, I do have 'NSync, 5ive, Backstreet Boys, S Club 7, Steps, and M2M CDs. But, I'd like to point out that I do actually have taste in real music. I absolutely love Eminem, Matchbox Twenty, Third Eye Blind, Creed, Kid Rock, Silverchair, and Orgy." Eb now digging a lot: Laika/Good Looking Blues (on the good ol' goth label, Beggars Banquet ;)) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:42:00 PDT From: "Consumer 666" Subject: *robyn* quote of the day Why are people so awkward about discussing sex and sexuality? Because the genitals are located right next to the anus. A kid is brought up to feel that that whole area is in some way dirty, so people forever associate sex with punishment. If we had all our sex organs at the other end of the body, I think we wouldn't mind so much. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:37:51 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: looking for mr sharkboy Anyone have an Oregon Mark Gloster address/phone/email? I'm sure I had that info somewhere but I can't seem to find it. We may be headding up to Oregon this weekend, as it turns out. Please e-mail me off list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:26:52 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Split Enz/Finn question okay, I know this isn't really the forum for this, but someone here is bound to be connected to a Finnian list of some description... Recently, they've begun showing "Gormenghast" here on TVNZ. It made me go and hunt out my copy of the books. The back cover blurb for the first book in the series begins with the words: "Stranger than fiction, larger than life, full of shades and echoes." It just so happens that this is identical to a spoken passage on the early Split Enz track "Stranger than fiction". One of the other tracks on the same album is called "Titus". Wshat I want to know is - is this some monumental coincidence, or is there a direct link (the Penguin edition of the books, which I have, pre-dates the Enz songs, BTW). a puzzled James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:36:46 +0100 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: Re: Split Enz/Finn question On 23/08/2000, at 16:26, digja611@student.otago.ac.nz wrote: >It just so happens that this is identical to a spoken passage >on the early Split Enz track "Stranger than fiction". One of >the other tracks on the same album is called "Titus". Wshat I >want to know is - is this some monumental coincidence, or is >there a direct link (the Penguin edition of the books, which >I have, pre-dates the Enz songs, BTW). Hi James - That'd be one hell of a coincidence! According to Mike Chunn's biography, early Enzer Phil Judd was really into Gormenghast at the time (early to mid 70s), so he put a couple of references into the songs he was writing. As far as I'm aware, there are no other references apart from the ones in Titus and Stranger than Fiction. I don't think there's anything more sinister than that... But if anyone can think of a conspiracy I'd be pleased to hear it! - -- Matt Browne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:49:12 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: Re: *robyn* quote of the day >Why are people so awkward about discussing sex and sexuality? > >Because the genitals are located right next to the anus. A kid is brought up >to feel that that whole area is in some way dirty, so people forever >associate sex with punishment. If we had all our sex organs at the other end >of the body, I think we wouldn't mind so much. Which brings us to the chauvinist joke of the day: When Henry Ford dies and go up to heaven, he bumps into Adam. Hey do you know who I am? he asks. No reply the senior. I built the first serial manufactured car. well, replies Adam, I built the first Woman. If this is so, says Ford, you did quiet a lousy job on her. And why is that? asks Adam. You put the gear box way to close to the exhaust pipe. Well you may be right, smiles Adam, but I can asure ou: There are more people riding my model then they'll ever ride yours. All the best for you all NOE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:31:24 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: rabbie hitchcock "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm doing at least two Robyn gigs in Edinburgh. Anyone else making an > appearance? all three, sad old git that I am. Plus I've got ticket scans on the website. Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Stewart ps: I think quite a lot of people here would like Thee Headcoats; think Robyn Goes Punk. Their "Bluebottle-from-The-Goons-stuck-in-the-lavatory" cover of "Help!" is far funnier than it should be. Plus they all wear deerstalkers, the 'headcoats' from their name. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:19:43 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Split Enz/Finn question On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 digja611@student.otago.ac.nz wrote: > The back cover blurb for the first book in the series begins with the > words: "Stranger than fiction, larger than life, full of shades and > echoes." It just so happens that this is identical to a spoken passage > on the early Split Enz track "Stranger than fiction". One of the other > tracks on the same album is called "Titus". Wshat I want to know is - > is this some monumental coincidence, or is there a direct link (the > Penguin edition of the books, which I have, pre-dates the Enz songs, > BTW). Has to be deliberate - there is no such thing as coincidence! And while we're on the subject, does anyone remember an album by a band called 'Fuchsia', who had a very Peake-like portrait of a tousle-haired princess on the cover? (it might indeed have been an actual Peake pencil sketch). Was it any good? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:27:41 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: splititus infinnitives Pete Townshend called one of his daughters Fuchsia after, erm, Fuchsia... jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:11:07 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: splititus infinnitivus On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > Pete Townshend called one of his daughters Fuchsia after, erm, Fuchsia... Ah, that explains why the Sex Pistols, who always regarded the Who as dinosaurs, had that big chorus which went: "No Fuschia, no Fuschia, no Fuschia for you "No Fuschia, no Fuschia, no Fuchsia for me "No Fuchsia, no Fuchsia, no Fuchsia at all" . . . I'll go away now. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:33:28 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: A trend that needs to end quickly My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? Not many I can think of at the moment. Hell, even college bowls now have sponsors. CMGI Wins Naming Rights for Patriots Stadium Updated 9:47 AM ET August 23, 2000 BOSTON (Reuters) - CMGI Inc. (CMGI.O), a direct marketing and investment company that has become one of the chief architects of the Internet, said on Wednesday it won the bidding war to have its named emblazoned across the new $325 million football stadium for the New England Patriots. Under a 15-year agreement, Andover, Mass.-based CMGI will pay the Patriots $76 million during the first 10 years of the contract for the exclusive naming rights of the football stadium. For the remainder of the contract, CMGI will make payments based on CPI adjustments, the company said in a statement. The future home of the Patriots and the New England Revolution professional soccer team will be called "CMGI Field." The stadium, in Foxboro, Mass., is under construction and is expected to open in 2002. "This agreement marks a significant milestone in CMGI's history," Chairman David Wetherell said in a statement. The deal also calls for CMGI's majority-owned companies, which include Internet portal AltaVista, to be the preferred technology partners for the stadium. In addition, CMGI will have promotional and sponsorship rights in and around the new stadium complex, the company said. Robert Kraft, chairman and owner of the Patriots, said in a statement CMGI's bid beat out several national and global companies. Wetherell is among the investors in Kraft's Internet venture PaperExchange.com, an online trading market for the paper industry. CMGI will acquire the naming rights immediately, but will not make its first semi-annual payment to the Patriots until January 2002. Shares of CMGI, which have plummeted amid Wall Street's sour outlook on dot-com companies, closed at 37-12/16 Tuesday on the Nasdaq stock exchange, well off its 52-week high of 163-8/16. - -- Cheers! - -g- "P.T. Barnum's marketing theories are the cornerstone of pop culture." - --Mark Gloster )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:46:11 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly when we last left our heroes, Glen Uber exclaimed: >My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? >Not many I can think of at the moment. fenway park, yankee stadium, camden yards. jacobs field? not sure about that one. if the new fenway gets built and is named after fleet bank, hari-kari may be my only option. woj p.s. http://www.revolting.com/fuckthevote.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:13:44 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly On 8/23/00 9:46 AM, the real dick cheney wrote: > when we last left our heroes, Glen Uber exclaimed: > >> My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? >> Not many I can think of at the moment. > > fenway park, yankee stadium, camden yards. jacobs field? not sure about > that one. Yeah, i came up with Fenway & Yankee as well as Shea Stadium and Dodger Stadium in baseball; Giants Stadium, Texas Stadium, Arrowhead Stadium, Three Rivers Stadium, the Georgia-, Metro-, Silver- and Superdomes, Soldier Field, and, of course, the "frozen tundra of Lambeau Field" in football. Oh, and I think the new Cleveland stadium is Paul Brown field, isn't it? Hockey has the San Jose Arena ("Shark Tank") and not many others that I can recall at the moment. I'm not much of a hoops fan so I really don't know where any of the teams play. Did the Oakland Coliseum Arena where the Warriors -- *ahem*, "play" -- get renamed the same time as the stadium? I haven't actually bothered to check the last few times I've been there. If you're scoring at home, I still call the Network Associates Coliseum the Oakland Coliseum and 3com Park Candlestick Park. Not out of disdain for corporate naming but because it's difficult to call them something else after having known them as their original names for so many years. I suspect it's a bit different when the stadium in question is brand new, a la Pac Bell Park. - -- Cheers! - -g- "I think the chief problem in the world is that people are breeding like rats on viagra and are too stupid to figure out that WE ARE THE PROBLEM." - --Mark Gloster )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:40:28 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly when we last left our heroes, Glen Uber exclaimed: >Yeah, i came up with Fenway & Yankee yeah, i figured you must have. i re-read your first note after replying and realized you said "not many you could think of".... >Hockey has the San Jose Arena ("Shark Tank") and not many others that I can >recall at the moment. joe louis arena (red wings). madison square garden (rangers). nassau coliseum (islanders). >I suspect it's a bit different when the stadium in question is brand new, not to mention a dishonor to the old building. +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:08:02 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly >when we last left our heroes, Glen Uber exclaimed: > >>Yeah, i came up with Fenway & Yankee > >yeah, i figured you must have. i re-read your first note after replying and >realized you said "not many you could think of".... You ALL forgot Comiskey Park! Ya buncha amachures!!! Incidentally, Comiskey was not dishonored with a name change but it -was- dishonored by a hideous concrete-ization complete with jumbotron. Not only was it stripped of its architectural character but it is now perpetually half-full at best because it was rebuilt to accomodate more people than ever came to a Sox game. It was rebuilt to accomodate more people than usually go to baseball games, period. It's a monstrosity, really. No one really knows why this was done as it would have been cheaper and in the long run, a lot more practical to remodel the old park anyway. Short-sightedness and greed appear to be the reasons that make the most sense. It -was- spared a name change at least, but I'd bet this wasn't about good taste or a sense of history. Either the Mayor put his foot down (unlikely but possible- he was opposed to the old park being torn down in the first place) or J. Reinsdorf couldn't find a corporation willing to meet what was probably an outrageous asking price (seems more likely). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:32:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Bret Bolton Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly Of course, there are some of us who are praying for a name change at the local park. Cisco Park sounds so much better than XXX XXXXXXXX XX XXXXXXXXX (I have refused to say the name of this beautiful building from day one). Of course only a few of you know already where I am, but it is horrible. (And BTW the new hockey/basketball arena has a corporate name) - -b PS: I won't mention San Jose's hockey arena...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, ultraconformist wrote: > It -was- spared a name change at least, but I'd bet this wasn't about good > taste or a sense of history. Either the Mayor put his foot down (unlikely > but possible- he was opposed to the old park being torn down in the first > place) or J. Reinsdorf couldn't find a corporation willing to meet what was > probably an outrageous asking price (seems more likely). I think the new comisky was built before this trend started. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "Monkey in a Turban, Oh What Does it Mean?" -Frank Black ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:57:43 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) > >My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? > >Not many I can think of at the moment. Reunion Arena (dallas stars, mavericks) Texas Stadium (dallas cowboys) The Ball Park in Arlington? (texas rangers) LOSING IT The dancer slows her frantic pace In pain and desperation, Her aching limbs and downcast face Aglow with perspiration Stiff as wire, her lungs on fire, With just the briefest pause -- The flooding through her memory, The echoes of old applause. She limps across the floor And closes her bedroom door... - - Neil Peart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John Jenks Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly Woj sez: > > when we last left our heroes, Glen Uber exclaimed: > > >My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? > >Not many I can think of at the moment. > > fenway park, yankee stadium, camden yards. jacobs field? not sure about > that one. > The official name is "Oriole Park at Camden Yards", I think. And, according to the Washington Post, they're not allowed to change the name because of the original agreement with the state providing the funding (of course!) This has not stopped the team from listing the potential revenue from renaming the stadium as an asset, and it will no doubt be used for later blackmail of the taxpayers. Not that I'm bitter. The Cleveland stadiums, AFAIK, are Jacobs Field and Cleveland Browns Stadium. I think Dick Jacobs sold the Indians, though, so maybe a change is eminent. johnj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:32:24 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: especially for eddie http://www.twilight3d.com/humour/temp/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:39:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: heLP (misc. phonograph problems) My record player seems to be going at about 38 RPM (instead of 33 1/3). Do any of you know what I could do to fix this? (and you think you've got it bad? in South Florida we've got Pro Player Stadium and the National Car Rental Center. That doesn't even sound like something you can play sports in...) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:12:31 -0700 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: RE: A trend that needs to end quickly Ubermentioned: >If you're scoring at home, I still call the Network Associates Coliseum = the=20 >Oakland Coliseum and 3com Park Candlestick Park. Not out of disdain for = >corporate naming but because it's difficult to call them something else = >after having known them as their original names for so many years. I = suspect=20 >it's a bit different when the stadium in question is brand new, a la = Pac=20 >Bell Park.=20 Building stadia hardly seems like an appropriate use for taxpayer money, = and corporations buying the right to name publicly funded structures = just makes the situation messier. If Network Associates or 3Com or = Qualcomm actually built these parks and leased them to the teams, I'd = feel differently. That's why I put PacBell Park in a different category = - - it was built by the Giants themselves, with the financing pulled off = by seat licenses, loans, and a relatively acceptable bit of corporate = whoredom. The only public money involved had to do with infrastructure = and (inadequate) public transit modifications. J. Brown: >I think the new comisky was built before this trend started. As was Jack Murphy Stadium, Candlestick, the Capital Centre, the Rose = Bowl (now presented by AT&T), and the Coliseum. Peter Angelos has even = started up a court case to get the rights to sell the name of Camden = Yards. Incidentally, I can't be the only person who gets a little nauseated = whenever smarmy announcers refer to "Network Associates Coliseum" as = "The Net." - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:51:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Bret Bolton Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, GSS wrote: > > > > >My question is, how many stadia et arenae are NOT named after a corporation? > > >Not many I can think of at the moment. > > Reunion Arena (dallas stars, mavericks) American Airlines Center is being built as we sit.B > > Texas Stadium (dallas cowboys) > for how much longer, if Jerry smells money......... > The Ball Park in Arlington? (texas rangers) > > Hicks is shopping this around currently (thank the gods) > - -b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:21:10 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) From: GSS Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (some peart) I was wondering when this trend started as well. Just to take a wild guess, I'd say "The Target Center" in Minneapolis, home to the Minnesota Timberwolves (and several Rush concerts). I say this because it was the first time I'd ever heard of this happening. I remember being stunned, thinking "they're naming an arena after a discount store? what the f*&* is going on"? The Seattle Seahawks are currently constructing a new stadium and it has yet to be named. One name that's been shopped around is "The Starbucks Coffee Grounds". > LOSING IT > > The dancer slows her frantic pace > In pain and desperation, > Her aching limbs and downcast face > Aglow with perspiration > Stiff as wire, her lungs on fire, > With just the briefest pause -- > The flooding through her memory, > The echoes of old applause. > She limps across the floor > And closes her bedroom door... > - Neil Peart Beautiful song, and loved the violin solo by Ben Mink in that one. Note to others-To get me to reply to a topic that I may have no interest in, just include a Rush blurb. I'll come a runnin' Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: A trend that needs to end quickly (but won't) Chris Franz wrote: >Ubermentioned: >>If you're scoring at home, I still call the Network Associates >>Coliseum the Oakland Coliseum and 3com Park Candlestick Park. Not >>out of disdain for corporate naming but because it's difficult to >>call them something else which is sort of why this sort of renaming is counter productive. i mean, if the point (for the corp) of doing this is to get your name out there and no one remembers what the hell it is. i mean, what is Riverfront Stadium called these days. i know they changed it 5-6 years ago, and i guess i know it when i hear it (after a couple seconds), but does anyone call it that unless doing so professionally? does anyone first think of QualComm when they think of where the Chargers or Padres play? >>after having known them as their original names for so many years. I >>suspect it's a bit different when the stadium in question is brand >>new, a la Pac Bell Park. which is why when people complain about corporate names, they forget that it's not that new an idea (see Wrigley Field, Busch Stadium). and they do beat the hell out of what that moron running for president decided to name the new stadium they were building for his team (the previously mentioned -------- -- ---------). >Building stadia hardly seems like an appropriate use for taxpayer >money, and corporations buying the right to name publicly funded >structures just makes the situation messier. If Network Associates or >3Com or Qualcomm actually built these parks and leased them to the >teams, I'd feel differently. That's why I put PacBell Park in a >different category - it was built by the Giants themselves, with the >financing pulled off by seat licenses, loans, and a relatively >acceptable bit of corporate whoredom. The only public money involved >had to do with infrastructure and (inadequate) public transit >modifications. > > J. Brown: >>I think the new comiskey was built before this trend started. > >As was Jack Murphy Stadium, Candlestick, the Capital Centre, the Rose >Bowl (now presented by AT&T), and the Coliseum. isn't it only the game itself that's present by AT&T, not the stadium? not that isn't noxious in of itselg (though its better than the AT&T Rose Bowl, or as happened to the Sun Bowl for years, the John Hancock Bowl. >Peter Angelos has even started up a court case to get the rights to >sell the name of Camden Yards. shouldn't he try to figure out how to run a baseball time worth half a crap first? >Incidentally, I can't be the only person who gets a little nauseated >whenever smarmy announcers refer to "Network Associates Coliseum" as >"The Net." i was really hoping NetAss would take hold as the new "nickname" but it wasn't meant to be. it doesn't bug me that much when the a's announcers do it themselves; they're being paid. but when anyone else does it... ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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