From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #233 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 17 2000 Volume 09 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Robin Dream/Don't Remember/JH3 ["Scott Hunter McCleary" ] Re: Open question(s) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Open question(s) [John Jenks ] Re: Open question(s) [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: Hmuhs in the ring! [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Re: comics ["Richard Zeszotarski" ] more useless historical trivia (was Re: Open question(s)) [Christopher Gr] y before n except ["Scott Hunter McCleary" ] bangshangalangles ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: bangshangalangles [Capuchin ] Who [Eb ] Re: bangshangalangles [Eb ] RE: Open question(s) [Glen Uber ] [none] [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: bangshangalangles ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Open question(s) [Stephen Buckalew ] No more generalizations [Glen Uber ] Re: No more generalizations [Stephen Buckalew ] signs of the apocalypse [Eb ] chiming in on the redneck rap [ultraconformist Subject: Robin Dream/Don't Remember/JH3 But I remember the dream and JH3 wasn't in it. Dozed off on the bus on the way home last night for a minute and had sort of a Robin blip-dream. All this talk of the spoken word project must have lodged someplace in there because in the dream he was doing a bit of between song banter about sitting in a cafe eating a muffin and finding a tiny note baked into it that said, "I love you." This unnerved him a bit and he surreptitiously peaked around the restaurant to see if anyone was making goo-goo eyes at him. Upon seeing no one paying any attention to him at all, he started to feel a bit upset because after all, finding a note in one's food that expresses that kind of deep emotion should be accompanied by at least a wink or something from the guilty party. Anyway, he decided to confront the woman at the counter about the foreign object in his food. As he approached the counter, a man ahead of him was already questioning a waitress about the note that he had found in HIS muffin which read, "Aren't you Robin Hitchcock?" Something gelled last night as I was listening to I Don't Remember Guildford -- is this a song about being dead and forgetting your life? The part about a butterfly on my face (the soul departing?) and being a number in a drawer (morgue?) just before the part about falling off the flagpole onto the taxi and the entrails and stuff just kind of became very clear to me. And the whole concept of hanging around as long as you can remember your life makes me think of Peter S. Beagle's "A Fine and Private Place," which should be on the list of Feg books if it isn't. Finally, JH3 -- you went to high school in Northern VA? Which school? My wife went to Herndon and my best friend went to Oakton. Huh. Small world. But I wouldn't want to vacuum it. - ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:29:18 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Open question(s) > What about the former Conferderate States of America? Okay, maybe it's not > fair to lump everybody who now lives there under the same antebellum > banner, but can we at least include the redneck pinheads who insist on > flying the "stars-n-bars" to celebrate their heritage? > > Cheers! > -g- A southern man don't need you around anyhow ;-p Seriously, stupidity knows no region, except to the extent that northerners seem blissfully unaware of the generous concentration of redneck pinheads in their own states. But to suggest that a significant percentage of confederate-flag-waving rednecks do so out of some sense of shared heritage is to give them too much credit. Once they open their mouths you usually find the same ill-formed anti-government paranoia that you'll find in pockets of the rural Northwest or central California. Southerners just happen to have a flag to go with it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:01:19 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Open question(s) On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, JH3 wrote: > It's me, JH3! I'm back! Didja miss me? Certainly did! Welcome back. > (Did anyone who was there this year get any impression as to > whether or not he's doing it again next year?) No idea. But in 95, 96, 97 and 2000 it was in August every time. So if it does happen, I would bet on Aug. > (Recommended reading: "Kosovo: A Short History" by Noel Malcolm. > It isn't *that* short, but it's quite fascinating, if you can get past > the unprounceable names.) Haven't read that, but I have got his book on Bosnia, which is very enlightening. > Chris Gross writes: > (BTW, >are there any other nations that center their national > mythology around their biggest defeat?) England - Battle of Hastings (Godwins shafted by William the Bastard) British Empire - Dunkirk Abba - Waterloo - - Mike Godwin Complicated and only mildly amusing story about architecture: When Lutyens was designing the Viceroy's Palace in New Delhi, he left his assistant, Baker, to design the Rajpath, or ceremonial approach road. Unfortunately Baker left a dip in the road so that the Palace drops out of sight as you get _nearer_ to it. Lutyens, disgusted, said "That was where I met my Bakerloo"... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: John Jenks Subject: Re: Open question(s) > BTW: I knew a guy in high school named John Paul Jenks, but that > was in Northern Virginia, so I'm assuming it isn't the same guy. Well, I doubt it's the same guy. It's the right part of the world, though, I grew up in Prince George's County, MD and spent many years in NoVa. John "James" Jenks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:38:05 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: Open question(s) > What about the former Conferderate States of America? Okay, maybe it's not > fair to lump everybody who now lives there under the same antebellum > banner, but can we at least include the redneck pinheads who insist on > flying the "stars-n-bars" to celebrate their heritage? Please include people such as myself who are interested in flying the Confederate flag just to piss off all the redneck pinheads who insist that I am not allowed to do such a horrible thing. Them flags is purty. irritatedly raised in the last capitol of the Confederacy, Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:14:58 -0700 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: Hmuhs in the ring! Tom Clark wrote: > I heard recently that Florida actually has state issued > anti-abortion license plates. Is this true? 'Tis indeed true. I'm pretty sure I've seen a few of them about here and there...I think they say "Choose Life" and have this soft-pastel wide-eyed infant sorta smiling up at you. Kinda treacly if you ask me. And all I think of is Trainspotting mixed with some wretched Frankie Goes To Hollywood/Wham dream. Don't ask. I'm not up on this as much as I perhaps should be, seeing as I'm a guy and it really doesn't matter what my opinion is, but it seems to me that this is all tied up in the state courts at the moment (maybe higher?), since the Pro-Choice side feels rightfully so that they should be able to have their own license plate too. Maybe "Choose Choice"? Or personally, I think "Choose Death" would be the coolest. It's sorta that damn Jesus Fish/Darwin Fish all over again. Ugh. Mike (a bit tired from a tremendous Chris Chandler show last night!) Runion - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:57:35 EDT From: "Richard Zeszotarski" Subject: Re: comics Allow me to add my two cents here: Steve Purcell ("Sam and Max-Freelance Police"), Evan Dorkin ("Milk and Cheese", "Dork", among others), Sarah Dwyer ("ACtion Girl Comics"),Mike Mignola ("Hellboy"),Jhonen Vasquez ("Johnny the Homicidal Maniac"), Frank Miller (AS writer-"Batman:The Dark Knight Returns", "Ronin", "Sin City", as artist-"Sin City"), Katsuhiro Otomo ("Akira"), whoever writes "Lenore" for Slave labor Graphics, and, of course, Ben Edlund ("The Tick"). - -Rich "SPOON!" Z> >From: hbrandt >Reply-To: hbrandt >To: "c'mon you mouldy hound - levitate, dammit!" >Subject: comics >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:06:31 -0600 > > >> go out and read anything by Daniel Clowes, Robert Crumb, > > > Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez, Grant Morrison, Jim Woodring, etc. etc. >etc. > > > > And Carl Barks. Can't forget Carl Barks. > >Love those ducks, and I agree with all of the above...plus I'll add Will >Eisner, Winsor McKay, Dave Sim/Gerhard, Julie Doucet, Lee/Ditko, >Lee/Kirby, Garth Ennis, Warren Ellis, Peter Bagge, Adrian Tomine, Paul >Pope, Vaughn Bode, Alan Moore, Charles Burns, Jill Thompson, David >Lapham, Berni Wrightson, Chris Ware (a genius), Bob Burden, Ivan >Brunetti, Kurt Busiek and many more that I'm sure I'm overlooking. > >Robyn's comics/cartoons/cones are pretty entertaining as well. > >/hal ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:36:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: more useless historical trivia (was Re: Open question(s)) On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 HSatterfld@aol.com wrote: > > What about the former Conferderate States of America? Okay, maybe it's not > > fair to lump everybody who now lives there under the same antebellum > > banner, but can we at least include the redneck pinheads who insist on > > flying the "stars-n-bars" to celebrate their heritage? > Please include people such as myself who are interested in flying the > Confederate flag just to piss off all the redneck pinheads who insist that > I am not allowed to do such a horrible thing. Them flags is purty. What most people, aside from Civil War buffs (a group somewhat reminiscent of historically-minded Trekkies), don't realize is that the "Stars and Bars" we see today was NOT the national flag of the Confederacy. In fact it was the CSA's battle banner. The Army's version was square, while the Navy's was a more "normal," oblong flag shape. So the "rebel flag" flown by modern day white supremicists and others is actually the banner of the miniscule Confederate navy. Furthermore, it was not called the "Stars and Bars" at the time. That was the nickname of the first Confederate national flag, which was three broad stripes, two red and one white, with stars on a blue field in the upper right corner. Its similarity to the US flag caused confusion in the first major battle of the war, prompting the adoption of the Confederate battle banner. Later a new national flag was designed, the "Stainless Banner," with a white field and the battle banner design in the upper left corner. Neither the real Stars and Bars nor the Stainless Banner is usually seen among the racist morons who go around claiming the Confederates were right. On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 mrrunion@palmnet.net wrote: > It's sorta that damn Jesus Fish/Darwin Fish all over again. > Ugh. Fight back with the Cthulhu Fish! (Sadly, I think they're out of print.) - --Chris np: Pavement, Terror Twilight ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:04:38 -0700 From: "Scott Hunter McCleary" Subject: y before n except Keeerist I misspelled the man's name twice in this morning's missive. What a dork I am. - ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: bangshangalangles > From: Eb > (and heck, there's a chance I might see *the Bangles* next month...) GodDAMNit! I HATE you! Michael, Debbi, Vicki, Susanna...you WILL add a San Francisco date...you WILL... Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: bangshangalangles On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > From: Eb > > (and heck, there's a chance I might see *the Bangles* next month...) > GodDAMNit! I HATE you! Michael, Debbi, Vicki, Susanna...you WILL add > a San Francisco date...you WILL... If they do, I think I'll be taking a trip down to the bay area. If they don't... well... this just might get me back to LA... might. Probably not. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:43:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Who Saw the set list for the Who's Irvine show, last night. The set list was about 95% identical to the Hollywood Bowl set list (even the order), except they *didn't* play "Getting in Tune" and *did* play "Bargain" and "I Don't Even Know Myself." Hrm. I like "Getting in Tune" a lot, but boy, I sure did want to hear "Bargain".... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:47:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: bangshangalangles >> > (and heck, there's a chance I might see *the Bangles* next month...) > >If they do, I think I'll be taking a trip down to the bay area. > >If they don't... well... this just might get me back to >LA... might. Probably not. That's the bad thing about L.A....all those damn tourists. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: RE: Open question(s) On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: >A southern man don't need you around anyhow ;-p Seriously, stupidity knows >no region, except to the extent that northerners seem blissfully unaware of >the generous concentration of redneck pinheads in their own states. I know just what you mean. Believe me when I tell you that I live an hour drive away from redneck central in northwest California. Just up over the mountain beyond the beautiful Napa Valley and spa resort town of Calistoga, there lives a huge contingency of confederate flag wavin', big-truck-with-KC-lights drivin', Pabst Blue Ribbon swillin', cussin' and fightin', old-lady-smackin', yee-hawin', Garth Brooks and Lynyrd Skynyrd listenin', NASCAR racin', Rasslin' watchin', trailer park habitatin', God-guns-and-glory good ol' boys and girls who have moved from the South with the hopes of forming their own nation of new confederates. I'm talking about Lake County, California, which has not only the lowest percentage of non-whites of any county in California, but also the highest alcoholism rate, the highest welfare rate, the highest rate of illegitimate births, the highest teen pregnancy rate, and the lowest high school graduation rate of any county in California. It makes South Park appear culturally progressive. Not coincidentally, most of my mullet-headed, white-trash, white-supremacist, uber-breeder, cracker asshole relatives and their "litters ad infinitum" have found their way to Lake County to live and prepare for the coming Armageddon and race war. How's that for being stuck amongst redneck pinheads? I certainly feel your pain. While I ask you not to blame me for the deeds of my relatives and ancestors, I also ask your forgiveness for what they've done to our great species. That whole tainting the gene pool thing, I mean. It's getting pretty murky at my end. Please, please don't judge me by my relatives. :^) Recovering white trash, - -g- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:04:05 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: [none] Just to let you all know: I'm no longer going to be at this address as of today. Write to me at: gnat@cyberspace.org or emma_blowgun@hotmail.com n. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:24:46 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: bangshangalangles At 10:27 AM 8/17/00 -0700, Capuchin wrote: >If they don't... well... this just might get me back to >LA... might. Probably not. If anyone is interested, the Bangles are playing down here in San Diego on the 13th of next month as well. And The Who are playing tonight. - --Jason "John Jacob Jingle Heimer Schmidt" Thornton - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:28:20 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: RE: Open question(s) Hmmmm... I wonder if all this redneck bashing is just cultural prejudice (and somewhat disturbingly so IMO). I know lots of people who aren't rednecks (or even white) who are alcoholic, racist, sexist, uneducated, etc, that are different enough from me that I have to try to keep my cultural blinders off when I'm forming opinions about them. I also know lots of "rural" folk who are highly educated, open minded, fair and decent people. Theirs is also a rich culture, filled with music and folklore that has alot of cultural value (and I'm not talking about Garth Brooks....ever hear of Dwight Diller for instance?), and I notice that rural culture is often mocked by urban hipsters who don't care to try to see the Other in a culture different from theirs (none of whom frequents this list I'm sure ;-) I see just as many humans engaged in ugly behavior when I travel to a city or suburb as when I'm here at home in rural "redneck-filled" Central Pennsylvania. S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** At 10:58 17/08/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > >>A southern man don't need you around anyhow ;-p Seriously, stupidity knows >>no region, except to the extent that northerners seem blissfully unaware of >>the generous concentration of redneck pinheads in their own states. > >I know just what you mean. Believe me when I tell you that I live an hour >drive away from redneck central in northwest California. > >Just up over the mountain beyond the beautiful Napa Valley and spa resort >town of Calistoga, there lives a huge contingency of confederate flag >wavin', big-truck-with-KC-lights drivin', Pabst Blue Ribbon swillin', >cussin' and fightin', old-lady-smackin', yee-hawin', Garth Brooks and >Lynyrd Skynyrd listenin', NASCAR racin', Rasslin' watchin', trailer park >habitatin', God-guns-and-glory good ol' boys and girls who have moved from >the South with the hopes of forming their own nation of new confederates. >I'm talking about Lake County, California, which has not only the lowest >percentage of non-whites of any county in California, but also the highest >alcoholism rate, the highest welfare rate, the highest rate of >illegitimate births, the highest teen pregnancy rate, and the lowest high >school graduation rate of any county in California. It makes South Park >appear culturally progressive. Not coincidentally, most of my >mullet-headed, white-trash, white-supremacist, uber-breeder, cracker >asshole relatives and their "litters ad infinitum" have found their way to >Lake County to live and prepare for the coming Armageddon and race war. > >How's that for being stuck amongst redneck pinheads? > >I certainly feel your pain. While I ask you not to blame me for the deeds >of my relatives and ancestors, I also ask your forgiveness for what >they've done to our great species. That whole tainting the gene pool >thing, I mean. It's getting pretty murky at my end. Please, please don't >judge me by my relatives. :^) > >Recovering white trash, >-g- > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >Glen Uber >uberg (at) sonic dot net >http://www.sonic.net/~uberg >Santa Rosa, California > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: No more generalizations On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Stephen Buckalew wrote: >I wonder if all this redneck bashing is just cultural prejudice (and >somewhat disturbingly so IMO). I know lots of people who aren't rednecks >(or even white) who are alcoholic, racist, sexist, uneducated, etc, that >are different enough from me that I have to try to keep my cultural >blinders off when I'm forming opinions about them. > >I also know lots of "rural" folk who are highly educated, open minded, fair >and decent people. Theirs is also a rich culture, filled with music and >folklore that has alot of cultural value (and I'm not talking about Garth >Brooks....ever hear of Dwight Diller for instance?), and I notice that >rural culture is often mocked by urban hipsters who don't care to try to >see the Other in a culture different from theirs (none of whom frequents >this list I'm sure ;-) > >I see just as many humans engaged in ugly behavior when I travel to a city >or suburb as when I'm here at home in rural "redneck-filled" Central >Pennsylvania. I think you missed my point (or perhaps I failed to make my point adequately), so suppose it's time for me to focus specifically on my relatives and the experiences I've had with them to make my point here. I couldn't agree more with everything you've said. I certainly didn't intend to convey cultural prejudice, nor did I want to come off sounding like an elitist asshole (which I fear I did). I also didn't mean to generalize when I called residents of the south "rednecks". (By the way, I use "redneck" to describe certain characteristics, not residents of a geographical region.) I was agreeing with Brian that that sort of idiocy exists everywhere. As a product of a "redneck" upbringing, I can attest to the fact that there are probably as many "rednecks" in some rural areas of California as there are in some urban areas of, say, Alabama. While I appreciate some of the same rural traditions and folklore that you pointed out, I can definitely see that -- amongst my kissing cousins, at least -- there's a dangerous mindset filled with hate, paranoia, homogeneity, and close-mindedness that I feel isn't healthy to cultivate or celebrate as "cultural diversity". If we accept their (still speaking of my own relatives, now) "rich traditions", then slavery would still be legal, women would still be second class citizens, and we'd all be saddled with eleventeen kids by the age of 25. Speaking from my own experience, - -g- "I am not an animal rights person opposed to violence; I oppose violence and that is why I am committed to human and animal rights. Nonviolence is the heart of [any] rights [movement]." --Rev. Professor Andrew Linzey +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:12:17 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: No more generalizations >there's a dangerousmindset filled with hate, paranoia, homogeneity, and > >close-mindedness that I feel isn't healthy to cultivate or celebrate as >"cultural diversity". Hmmmm....sounds like the present faculty of the English department at my local University, or some urban relatives that I have who have beliefs I find abhorrent. I guess my point is that we can find these traits anywhere....and it is easy to look at the "less attractive" beliefs held by some members of a culture, and say that it was the culture itself that was the garden bed for the rise of the ugly beliefs. I have yet to find ANY group of persons tied togehter culturally that DON'T contain individuals with narrowminded, self-serving, paranoid, and defensive world views. And considering my own knowledge and love of the music and folklore that come from the rural culture, I notice it is one culture that is continually bashed without guilt by members of cultures that consider themselves better (Glen--I'm not necessarily saying this is you btw). S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** At 11:58 17/08/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > >>I wonder if all this redneck bashing is just cultural prejudice (and >>somewhat disturbingly so IMO). I know lots of people who aren't rednecks >>(or even white) who are alcoholic, racist, sexist, uneducated, etc, that >>are different enough from me that I have to try to keep my cultural >>blinders off when I'm forming opinions about them. >> >>I also know lots of "rural" folk who are highly educated, open minded, fair >>and decent people. Theirs is also a rich culture, filled with music and >>folklore that has alot of cultural value (and I'm not talking about Garth >>Brooks....ever hear of Dwight Diller for instance?), and I notice that >>rural culture is often mocked by urban hipsters who don't care to try to >>see the Other in a culture different from theirs (none of whom frequents >>this list I'm sure ;-) >> >>I see just as many humans engaged in ugly behavior when I travel to a city >>or suburb as when I'm here at home in rural "redneck-filled" Central >>Pennsylvania. > >I think you missed my point (or perhaps I failed to make my point >adequately), so suppose it's time for me to focus specifically on my >relatives and the experiences I've had with them to make my point here. > >I couldn't agree more with everything you've said. I certainly didn't >intend to convey cultural prejudice, nor did I want to come off sounding >like an elitist asshole (which I fear I did). I also didn't mean to >generalize when I called residents of the south "rednecks". (By the way, I >use "redneck" to describe certain characteristics, not residents of a >geographical region.) > >I was agreeing with Brian that that sort of idiocy exists everywhere. As a >product of a "redneck" upbringing, I can attest to the fact that there are >probably as many "rednecks" in some rural areas of California as there are >in some urban areas of, say, Alabama. While I appreciate some of the same >rural traditions and folklore that you pointed out, I can definitely see >that -- amongst my kissing cousins, at least -- there's a dangerous >mindset filled with hate, paranoia, homogeneity, and close-mindedness that >I feel isn't healthy to cultivate or celebrate as "cultural diversity". If >we accept their (still speaking of my own relatives, now) "rich >traditions", then slavery would still be legal, women would still be >second class citizens, and we'd all be saddled with eleventeen kids by the >age of 25. > >Speaking from my own experience, >-g- > >"I am not an animal rights person opposed to violence; I oppose violence >and that is why I am committed to human and animal rights. Nonviolence is >the heart of [any] rights [movement]." --Rev. Professor Andrew Linzey > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >Glen Uber >uberg (at) sonic dot net >http://www.sonic.net/~uberg >Santa Rosa, California > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:25:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: signs of the apocalypse LAS VEGAS (AP) - Jerry Lewis, at 74, thinks he's good for another 20 years of gags. So does The Orleans hotel-casino, which signed him to a 20-year contract Tuesday. Lewis will perform five times a year for four nights each. ``Twenty years with the provision of when I'm 94 I can work with a walker,'' Lewis joked. ``Anything I do, I do full throttle. It was not the money. If I croak before that, he still has to pay me,'' Lewis said of The Orleans' owner. Lewis, who will again hold his annual Labor Day telethon for the Muscular Dystrophy Association, will perform at The Orleans Sept. 7-10. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:42:15 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: chiming in on the redneck rap Just a brief interjection. It has been my experience, having been born and spent my formative years in a state south of the Mason-Dixon, that southern states (I'm actually thinking specifically of Texas) get a worse rap than they deserve. No one I grew up with or around would ever have called someone a nigger or a spic or a chink or whatever, or used the phrase "you really jewed him down" or similar. Not in private, not in public. Never actually heard anyone say things like that in real life, only people on TV. I had to wait til I got to the state of Illinois to hear these and others, including new slurs I was not familiar with, like black people being referred to as "jigaboos". Illinois is way further north than TX and was not a part of the Confederacy. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:28:16 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #232 >>-The central event in Serbian history was the Battle of Kosovo Field in >>1389, where the Serbs were defeated by the Ottoman Turks. (BTW, >>are there any other nations that center their national mythology around >>their biggest defeat?) well, New Zealand and Australia both have Gallipoli as their 'rite of passage' event, and it looms larger in our mythos than any other military engagement... A case could be made for Dunkirk for the UK, too. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #233 *******************************