From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #223 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 8 2000 Volume 09 : Number 223 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Eb-ortion all over the world [Christopher Gross ] Re: Half-year favorites ["J. Brown" ] Gored, Bushwhacked, or Nader of the above? [Bayard ] from randi: hello [~twofangs / randi~ & ~tjf / tim~ ] Re: Last pathetic appeal ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: reap [steve ] RE: short-lived Sunday Night [Gene Hopstetter Subject: Eb-ortion all over the world Usually I'd only use a subject line that tasteless on a private email. On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Proctology Now wrote: > --It is conservatively estimated that one in five Medicaid-eligible women > who want an abortion cannot obtain one. > --In the U.S., 84% of all counties have no abortion services; of rural > counties, 95% have no services. [snip more of same] > (from .) > this is *after* 8 years of clinton/gore. say what you will about it not > being their fault, but if either one really gave two fucks, it wouldn't be > the case. I dunno about that -- the President (to say nothing of the Vice "pitcher of warm piss" President) doesn't haven't infinite power. But anyway, even assuming you blame Clinton and Gore for everything listed above, what I don't understand is why you said the Republicans would be better. Where's the evidence for that? "The Dems are so bad that no one could be worse" is not a valid argument; as long as abortion is still sometimes legal there is always something worse, namely, total prohibition. Oh, also: > well factually, the dissident soviet press was read by a much greater > percentage of the population than is dissident american press -- even though > you got your brains bashed in for publishing it there. also, exposure to > foreign media was much, much greater in the soviet union than it is here. I've heard this claimabout Soviet dissidents before, but I'm not sure where. Do you have any citations or pointers? ... As far as exposure to foreign media goes, it's tough to make direct comparisons. Soviet citizens actively sought out foreign media (specifically, that of the capitalist West) because their own was crap. Americans today, on the other hand, do not seek out foreign media very much because, while ours is crap, it is at least *entertaining* crap. Americans are also far more likely to meet foreigners face to face than Soviet citizens were. Not only are we allowed to take trips out of the country if we want, but lots more foreigners come here, and unlike Soviet citizens, we don't have to expect police questioning if we meet some of those foreigners. Nasha lyuche! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:41:23 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Nader reads "X Men," but only for the articles Eb: >I'll say this much: I'm not brimming over with alternate suggestions, to >replace the ones which VH1 included -- especially since I'm just not old >enough to know all the seminal, pre-'70s scenes. You'd have to give a good look to the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. The Beatles, The Who, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane and plenty of others. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:51:57 +1200 (NZST) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Dream songs/ the glaaarius republic > Anyone ever remember those great tunes you write in your sleep? those of you who have been kind, wise, or foolish enough to buy my album "PArtial Rapture Theory" will know that the first track on it, "Down", came to me complete in a dream(with the exception of one or two lines). I dreamt I was watching a concert by The Church, and, standing in the front row, I had a great opportunity to watch what was being played and sung. (Oddly, it was Steve playing the guitar, rather than Marty, but drwams aren't perfect...) Anyway, that song is still, IMHO, one of my better ones, and - strangely enough - it does sound very much like the Church's music. I recently had another song come to me in my dreams (this time passed to me by Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson, of all people), but unfortunately all I can remember of it are a handful of chords... Who else here thinks that, thanks to the US election, this list is the most bloatedly unreadable it's been since the infamous Brian Wilson wars? But - I will add one comment: >a while back, 75% of americans polled thought that the phrase "from each >according to his ability to each according to his need" comes from the >declaration of independence. but mention the word "socialism" to the same >people, and you'll find yourself being wrestled into a manhole. if >socialism = stalinism -- as we're supposed to believe it does -- then that's >the proper response. also, compare the most basic tenets of communist government and the phrase "government of the people, for the people, and by the people". For good measure, compare Jesus's views on property ownership with the communist model. For some reason, Americans overall tend not to like these comparisons... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: eb all over the world On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Proctology Now wrote: > just being sensible about resources (a very capitalistic thing, if you ask > me).> > being sensible about resources is "a very capitalistic thing"? how's that? It's about looking at the balance sheet and doing the sensible thing. However, I think I showed very clearly that one of the two major flaws in capitalism is lack of accounting for those same environmental resources. They don't effect the financial balance sheet so they're ignored. But I think weighing out those costs and doing the most profitable thing is essentially a capitalist way of reasoning. > under similarly capitalistic reasoning (trusts restrict consumer choice and > information).> > i still don't follow your logic. really, capitalism is just using your > monopolisation of public resources (also known as "owning property") to > exploit labour and thereby turn a profit. I believe capitalism is an exploitation of land, labor, and capital to increase your own slice of the world's resources. It's an old idea whose time is just not yet over. In my reading of Marx, I kind of saw that he didn't like the idea of a proletariat dictatorship any more than the dictatorship of the bourgoisie we have now. In the end, there was this utopian communism where the amount of work that needed to be done was easily accomplished by the few who were willing and able to do it. We're just not there yet. And I think we would only ever be able to use this "socialist" stage, the one between the current stage and the utopian, if the world were on equal footing with regard to this evolution. But it's not the case. We still have nations that are very feudal and really pre-capitalist. I personally think we'll skip socialism altogether. One day worker productivity will reach a state where those few people willing and able to do the work can get it all done and then there will truly be a "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" kind of system. But that system isn't socialism... that's the utopian ideal and another dictatorship (even if it's by a larger set of the population) is not going to bring that kind of world to us. As I've often said in my rant against democracy, majority rule is inherently a dictatorship of the majority over all minorities. One-man, one-vote just gives the like-minded men power over the independent thinkers. And a concensus is only reached by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Again, in some future world where education is better and people don't have to worry about survival, maybe a concensus can be reached that is actually positive for everyone, but that time is not now nor is it immediately on the horizon. You know, the problem with the Soviet Union was that they tried to skip capitalism and go from their feudalist society to a socialist one. Didn't work. Technological advancement under a socialist system is slow and poor and technology is required to bring us up to a level of productivity where work is not oppressive and demeaning and damaging to a person's spirit... where all labor is given freely out of a personal understanding of the goals and a willingness to contribute... where everyone is doing exactly what they want to be doing to contribute to society. We're just not there yet. > attempting, by hook or crook (or state intervention in the economy), > to increase one's "market share" is quite endemic to the system. if > you mean to say "free market", fine. but remember, a corner grocery > store is in violation of "free market" principles. I don't quite get you, here. How would my meaning "free market" be more sensible in the above and how is a corner grocery in violation? I mean, perfect market capitalism is a fuckin' pipe dream. Advertising is a market flaw. And so is product packaging design. There's too much beyond the product itself to draw away from the consumer's informed choice. Me, I don't want either. > house to discuss any sort of subversive thing that you like...> > so long as you're white. Actually, eddie. I think people of any color can get together and have four or five people talk about issues and what have you. I'm saying that REAL communication... the kind that touches lots of people all at once and in the same way... is very much censored and controlled by the few with the complete approval of the government. > and I hate it. I know he will win. It's very clear.> > agreed. i really can't understand why gore fans are getting so bent out of > shape. I thought you might agree. > underbelly of the system and it's a rare thing. I don't think I > remember a President every doing so.> > eisenhower's "military-industrial complex". also, i'm sure they've > all let slip without even knowing it. bush sr.'s "what we say goes" > during the build-up to the gulf war is about as fine an example as you > could ever hope to hear. Of course, Eisenhower. I was even thinking about that very thing when writing an earlier portion of that same post. That is just breathtaking. He sits there and warns us against something that could drag our whole society down and he sees it brewing and we should do what we can to avoid it... and it happens anyway. It's one of the scariest thing in US history, I think. We didn't even listen to our own President. This decorated military officer, a war hero, telling us that a new kind of military-industrial complex is kind of coallescing and he warns us that it will breed fear and sap public resources and we, the people, let it happen anyway and there are still folks that defend it. > what *you* think is irrelevant, finally. if woj fails to find any gems, > you'll find your walking papers at your doorstep tomorrow morning. Naw, I've still got an old "who fegmaniax" I sent to majordomo some time ago, plus my own archives, etc... Believe me, if woj booted me off the list I could have a letter in each and every one of your inboxes by dawn. I don't need no stinking woj. (No offense, woj. I don't think you stink.) J. PS. That wasn't sucking up to the Man. I really don't think woj stinks. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Half-year favorites 1. Elliot Smith- Figure 8 2. Billy Bragg and Wilco- Mermaid Avenue Vol. II 3. XTC- Wasp Star (Apple Venus Vol. 2) 4. Robyn Hitchcock- A Star For Bram 5. Tim Finn- Say It Is So 6. Sleater-Kinney- All Hands on the Bad One 7. Lou Reed- Ectasy 8. They Might Be Giants- Working Undercover For the Man 9. Ute Lemper- Punishing Kiss 10. Steely Dan- Two Against Nature Great Albums that don't really count: Crowded House- Afterglow (rarities) Travis- The Man Who (really a 1999 release) Supergrass- Supergrass (really a 1999 release) Albums that were disapointing: Oasis- Standing on the Shoulders of Giants Todd Rundgren- One Long Year Overall not that spectacular, nothing that has kicked my ass yet! Some solid good albums but nothing amazing. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Gored, Bushwhacked, or Nader of the above? This is kind of interesting, so i will allow myself one post on this topic. Sorry, James. > > as a wake-up to the Dems; and Nader will only take votes away > > from > > Gore. > > I still don't see this. They aren't Gore's votes- they're OUR > votes. But there are only so many of "us," Viv. As I understand it, Republicans are notoriously party-loyal. A friend of mine once told me, "my father would vote for Frank Perdue if they put him on the ticket." I don't think he was joking. Democrats are more likely to vote for a third party. The more attractive the 3rd party option, the more will stray from the herd. Not to mention the fact that an attractive 3rd option will suck up all the people from the middle (and the fringes.) This would be an entirely good and wonderful thing if it affected both parties. There are only so many votes to go around. Can you really see any Republican voting for Nader, given how he wants to reduce the military? (Yes I am generalizing. As I recall, GSS is a Republican and does not seem to be voting for Bush.) My other Republican friend insists that she has to vote for Bush or she "won't be allowed to come home." It seems the Democrats are evil and insincere and the Republicans are evil and crazy. Nader, I fear, is just not cut out for the job. What is Joe Voter to do? > We cast them as we see fit. To speak of Nader taking away > Gore's votes is to speak a fallacy. I would think there is a mathematical proof one could do to prove it, but apparently not or Jeme would have seen that. But then, I think Jeme has stated that he knows what will happen. (And you said we weren't omniscient!) > > And besides, goddammit, I love MacDonald's food, and I think > > Coca-Cola is the best freaking drink invented since the > > Egyptians > > first brewed beer. I am not afraid to admit this. You know, every so often i start to think everyone is a snob. Then you go and restore my faith. Bless you, bird man. > > American is the person who probably does not even know Nader > > and the > > Greens exist. > > They may not know much about the Greens. But are you kidding me > about Nader? The average 18 year-old might not know much about > him, but the man has been in the public eye for 40 years! You > have to have your head pretty far up your ass not to at least > know he exists. most simply think of him as the man who killed the Corvair, no? Simplistic - but most people are simpletons when it comes to politics. > > I can't imagine what Nader might do in office. I am not really > so foolish as to believe it is a possibility. But I do believe > that if we sit back and vote Gore, we are basically resigning > ourselves to a totally corrupt, empty two-party system, and we > are doing ourselves a VAST disservice. But bunches of people voted for Perot and nothing changed. Did it? People looked back a few years later and said, "man, that was crazy." Robyn even did a monologue about Perot and what a nut he was*. Nader is not Perot, but how will/would Nader getting 15% change anything? Maybe he'll get more next time? Maybe people will wake up and see that they don't have to vote for one of two lousy candidates? That would be wonderful - and I hope it happens - but I fear the "good guys" just don't have enough money. and now, back to the music, =b * ooh! Robyn content! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:05:52 -0400 From: ~twofangs / randi~ & ~tjf / tim~ Subject: from randi: hello hi, just wanted everyone to know i'm safely back in Toronto ... i need sleep first and foremost ~ so once i catch up in a day or two ~ there will be more words to come ... thanks to all the wonderful fegs i met ... the trip was / is truly the best part of my life. randi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:20:27 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Sir Robin Day "" Stewart (who doubts that RD ever had a hedgehog called Frank.) (and who is peeved that the passing of Sir Alec Guinness is being reported as 'the death of Obi Wan' in the geek press.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:46:26 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Last pathetic appeal Michael R Godwin wrote: > > So no-one has a spare ticket for the Broxbourne-Waltham Abbey binge, then? But you made it in the end, didn't you? > Doesn't bother me, I'll just stay at home and catalogue my Cliff Richard > and the Shadows singles. Make mine Rhythm & Greens... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:48:46 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: first post from new member/ the Carpenters JEFFB7777@aol.com wrote: > > I'm new to this list and this is my first post. welcome to the list, jeff. Why were we all so slow to do this? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:16:33 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Our Lady of Eternal Combustion Christopher Gross wrote: > > I've always wondered -- is keeping your balance a lot harder on a > recumbent bike (or whatever you'd call it) than on a traditional model? Nah, they're just different. The difficult ones are the front wheel drive, rear wheel steer models (like this: http://www.ligfiets.net/flevobike/racer.htm) which spill you if you tense up even a bit. They're known as Zen bikes. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:20:41 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Hmuhs in the ring! - yo "Greens" take note: "Yudt.Matthew" wrote: > > Vote libertarian - - not Green. this from a .gov address? Tee hee. We in the UK used to enjoy the US's occasional scuffle between two identical parties. Now we have it too, it's no longer quite so amusing. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:09:23 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Klaatu I must confess that I've never heard of Klaatu (except in the context of Michael Rennie, that is). The only recording of COOIC I have ever heard is the Carpenters' version. Am I missing something? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Afrika Bambaata and John Lydon 'World destruction'. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:42:37 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: reap Stewart C. Russell: > (and who is peeved that the passing of Sir Alec Guinness is being > reported as 'the death of Obi Wan' in the geek press.) You'll be happy to hear that NPR hardly mentioned SW, except to say that he didn't like the mumbo jumbo and asked to be killed off. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:07:45 -0500 From: Gene Hopstetter Subject: RE: short-lived Sunday Night > From: Eb > > Another one which would certainly be on my personal list was seeing Conway > Twitty sing on the short-lived "Sunday Night" program, as *the Residents* > stood behind him and suavely snapped their fingers as if they were the > Pips. Oh man, am I glad to have that on tape. > I agree -- somebody should *really* reissue the entire run of that show. I remember it well, and regret the fact that I erased all the tapes I had of it. Especially of Mary Margaret O'Hara, in her luminous gold dress, singing "When You Know Why You're Happy" and absolutely terrified of the camera. Or the thrill of seeing Diamanda Galas wail on a piano on TV. I'd be greatly interested in taped copies of that show, and would make the effort worthwhile. Contact me offlist if you're interested. > Eb, who would really like to see a clip of Captain Beefheart's SNL > appearance, sometime > Here ya go: . I have that on videotape, too, if you want to work a trade... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:34:15 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Broxbourne-Waltham bash account (long, but 95% RH content) > Michael R Godwin wrote: > > So no-one has a spare ticket for the Broxbourne-Waltham Abbey binge, then? On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > But you made it in the end, didn't you? MRG replies at length: Well, thanks to a last-minute rescue operation masterminded by Tony Blackman, I finally got a ticket. A bit of a long day for Michael, involving as it did an 0748 departure from Bath. From Paddington I got to Liverpool Street on the underground, and found a train leaving for Broxbourne at 1003, which arrived in time for me to track down the boat using a rather blotchy map supplied by Tony (all other arrangements provided by T Blackman Enterprises were absolutely top-notch). Local stations all had signposts to the "Lea (sic) River Walk". "Aha!" I thought "I'm right about it being River Lea". There were two boats lined up at the quayside, holding 60 and 40 Fegs respectively. I opted for the larger boat along with a crowd of familiar faces - Tony, Jonathan Turner, Susan Even etc. Matt Sewell soon introduced himself and his girlfriend Chrissie(?) - very nice people. No sign of Robyn, who was said to be travelling in a separate boat. However, Kimberley was soon spotted, carrying (oddly) an electric guitar case. All signs at the quayside mention the "River Lee (sic) Boat Trips". "Aha!" I thought "I'm wrong about it being the River Lea". (Subsequent checks in the AA Road Book revealed that it was spelt "R. Lea". Anyone got an OS Map?). With some difficulty, we backed out of the quayside inlet into the main river - - very sluggish, sprawling sort of waterway, much frequented by coots, moorhens, geese, swans, ducks, waterlilies etc. No kingfishers to be seen, unfortunately, nor (less surprisingly) any Sarus cranes. Matt had spotted a green woodpecker earlier in the day. Quite nice but slightly scrubby scenery, with an extensive crop of powerlines - really great country for powerline gantry spotters. About this time the sun came out, and beat down fairly relentlessly for the next six or seven hours. As we approached the first lock of the journey, Robyn and Kimberley were spotted on the towpath, bearing guitars. They established themselves on a bridge across the lock and launched in to "The Philosopher's Stoned", Robyn playing acoustic and Kimberley playing an electric guitar through a mini-amp, which was inaudible for much of the time (I hope I got some 35mm pix of the various performances). I assume that R and K played a different song for the other boat. We progressed through two more locks without incident, and arrived at Waltham sometime after 2pm. Robyn's boat pulled in behind us, with RH and TK sitting crosslegged, KR standing on the roof and JK accommodating his bass in a doorway. They were playing something unrecognisable with plenty of harmonies. Again, I hope I will have some pix. We found a field to picnic in, and I was lavishly fed and wined by Tony and friends. Matt pointed out Stewart to me and I introduced myself. Stewart's family had gone off in quest of provisions and eventually returned with burgers and stories of a ruined abbey about a mile away. I didn't investigate, being too busy eating Tony's cherries and Brie. Mark Ellen was bouncing about in an extremely lively fashion taking photos and having a good time. No sign of any other ex-Ugly Rumours, though - I expect TB was too busy hiding his inebriated offspring from the press (joke). No sign of Andy Kershaw either (BTW, what is the latest news of AK following his iniquitous dismissal by the hiphop-crazed executives of Radio 1?). At about 3.30 the band set up in the field and played approximately ten songs. My list includes Queen Elvis, Sleeping with your devil mask, Queen of Eyes, No I don't remember Guildford, Madonna of the Wasps, Adoration of the City, Elizabeth Jade, Jewels for Sophia, Old Brown Shoe (Harrisongs) and Beautiful Queen - not necessarily in that order. I may have missed something. KR continued to play through his mini-amp, and RH alternated between an acoustic and a blue electric played through a mini-amp. Tim took over the electric on some songs. I would not describe the mini-amps as a colossal success - they kept falling over, and even when they remained in place, they were not always audible. I wished I had brought two or three extra rolls of film in order to compile a lavishly-illustrated book called "The Many Faces and Moods of Kimberley Rew". At the end of "Guildford", Robyn leaped up to catch a passing butterfly, but it fluttered easily out of his reach. Your photographer completely missed this poignant moment... The boat was slow in starting - apparently there was some engine trouble. Robyn nipped on board and performed solo versions of 'Bass' and 'Chinese Bones' before we left. Robyn then returned to the towpath and the group played 'Ride' and another unidentified number. Cream teas were served on the way back (the cream was distinctly iffy) and when we got as far as the final lock, we were not surprised to see the band again at the riverside, playing "When I was dead", "One after 909" (Lennon-McCartney) and finally "Birds in Perspex" as we chugged out of the lock. The group tried to keep up with us for some yards, but it was obviously a bit of a strain for Jake with his double bass, so we waved goodbye and returned, tired but happy, to Broxbourne station by about 7pm. Making a cunning change on to the underground at Seven Sisters, I managed to catch the 2030 from Paddington back to Bath; but it was suffering from engine trouble, and eventually got back at 2230 - another late train courtesy of First Great Western. Was it worth it? 'Course it was! Thanks again, Tony! - - Mike Godwin PS Robyn was messing about with the words of several songs; the only one I noted was "Don't go messing with a girl called Lee - she'll leave you hanging in eternity". > Stewart again: Make mine Rhythm & Greens... Yeah, baby! Ooh! Ah! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:04:11 -0700 From: " Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Broxbourne-Waltham : From the other boat - -- On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:34:15 Michael R Godwin wrote: > >Iassume that R and K played >a different song for the other boat. > Our first encounter with Robyn was when his boat came alongside ours.H stood at the front of his boat and played "Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom", although as his boat was slightly faster he played the last half verse about 10 yards ahead of us. Lock 1: Full band on lock. Alright Yeah and Oceanside. Lock 2: Full band on lock. Heaven Lock 3: Solo on top of boat. I Saw Nick Drake. He played another song as his boat entered the lock but was too far away. >Mark Ellen was bouncing about in an extremely lively fashion taking photos >and having a good time. No sign of any other ?>ex-Ugly Rumours So it _was_ Mark Ellen, I was chatting to him when he took mine and Sarah's picture. I challenged him on his familiarity but he just claimed to be a roadie -- I was confused... What is he up to these days? I haven seen him in years. >Robyn leaped up to catch a ? > passing >butterfly, but it fluttered easily out of his reach. Your photographer >completely missed this poignant moment... > Did you also miss the moment when TK smiled? >The boat was slow in starting - apparently there was some engine trouble. >Robyn nipped on board and performed solo versions of 'Bass' and 'Chinese >Bones' before we left. Robyn then returned to the towpath and the group >played 'Ride' and another unidentified number. > Damn, I'd have liked to have heard Bones. >Cream teas were served on the way back (the cream was distinctly iffy) Ours were fine :) >when we got as far as the final lock, we were not surprised to see the >band again at the riverside, playing "When I was dead", "One after 909" >(Lennon-McCartney) and finally "Birds in Perspex" as we chugged out of the >lock. It took us bloody hours to get back. Got stuck in mud, spent eons in each lock etc. We didn't see the band at all on the return journey. Robyn was still hanging around when we got back, at least long enough to give us a wave before he headed off and we disembarked. Brian - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #223 *******************************