From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #217 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 4 2000 Volume 09 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) [Dede Davis ] back to the movies ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #216 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: TV too good for TV ["J. Brown" ] Re: TV too good for TV [Jon Fetter ] Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) ["Proctology Now" ] Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) [nyquilathotep ] first post from new member/ the Carpenters [JEFFB7777@aol.com] Weenie-ism (A scenario - I need help) [John Barrington-Jones ] Re: Politics Pianoheads and Runes [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Politics Pianoheads and Runes [Vivien Lyon ] Re: feelm [Eb ] Re: Klaatu [hbrandt ] Re: Politics Pianoheads and Runes [Aaron Mandel ] eb all over the gondolism ["Proctology Now" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dede Davis Subject: Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) "Paul Christian Glenn" wrote: > > First, lemme say thanks to (Arch Villain) West What a scream!!! I had to scroll to the top of the digest to see which list I was on. Thanks for the laugh, PCG! > > > "Brazil" > > I've heard such good things about this movie, and it really > failed to live up to the hype. It was a boring re-hash of a > hundred tired sci-fi cliches. There were a few funny moments > (the funniest of which being when the waiter *demanded* that > the patron say the number of the entree that he was ordering), > and Gilliam certainly knows how to create and control the mood > of his films, but overall this flick just didn't work for me. > Maybe I was just in a pissy mood when I watched it, but I was > really expecting to be wowed; I wasn't. 1 star (out of 4). > I think I'm gonna let Eddie take this one. Care to step up to bat, Mr. Tews? > > "12 Monkeys" > > Again, Gilliam sure knows how to create mood. The first > part of the film felt contrived, but as the story progressed > everything fell into place nicely. Well-produced, if not > superbly written. The ending, of course, was terrific. Bruce > Willis is always fun to watch. 3 stars. > See, I thought Bruce Willis was the weakest part of this film. I've never liked Bruce Willis--his characters are usually too smarmy for words. On the other hand, this is the movie that made me a Brad Pitt fan. Before, I hadn't seen him in much and figured he was just another Hollywood Pretty Face (a la Tom Cruise, another one I detest.) But after seeing Pitt's performance in "12 Monkeys", I developed some respect for the guy. I felt like it was brave of him to take the part. ===== Dede "You get what you pay for, But I just had no Intention of living this way."--The Counting Crows __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: back to the movies > From: "Paul Christian Glenn" > > "Brazil" > > I've heard such good things about this movie, and it really > failed to live up to the hype. It was a boring re-hash of a > hundred tired sci-fi cliches. There were a few funny moments > (the funniest of which being when the waiter *demanded* that > the patron say the number of the entree that he was ordering), > and Gilliam certainly knows how to create and control the mood > of his films, but overall this flick just didn't work for me. > Maybe I was just in a pissy mood when I watched it, but I was > really expecting to be wowed; I wasn't. 1 star (out of 4). I would probably give it at least 2, and I didn't think it was that bad, but on the whole I wasn't nearly as impressed with the film as I wanted to be either. I have big issues with Gilliam's films in general, actually, which feel like a big throbbing headache to me most of the time, and that's when I enjoy them. The sole exception so far has been _The Fisher King_, and that's counting the Python films. I don't doubt his skill and artistry; it's just something about the moods he creates and controls. They're so oppressive, even in films about oppression. > > "12 Monkeys" Perhaps it's that phenomenon that made me loathe _12 Monkeys_ through and through. I found it as cliche as you found _Brazil_. Generally time-travel stuff is so risky, and even when it's done pretty well it involves so much suspension of disbelief for me. I'm less bothered by, say, Doctor Who and Quantum Leap (which used time travel mostly as an anthology structure) than I am by movies like _Terminator_ and _12 Monkeys_ (which use it as the underpinning of the story). But generally the whole thing left me cold throughout and the ending felt like a blessing. When I consider the elements of the film separately from their collective effect on me, though, they don't seem so bad, so maybe I should see the original instead. > > "BASEketball" Just about 180 degrees from the above two films, of course, and I agree that it was a scream. Parker and Stone always walk that line between stupid-funny and stupid-stupid and they stayed on the light side with this one. I think _Orgazmo_ is even better, but that may be just because I prefer sex to sports. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:52:08 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #216 >> But, granted, I cringe whenever I hear their recording of "Calling Occupants >> of Interplanetary Craft." Abysmal, but hilarious. Thank you oh so much for >> that one, Klaatu. > >I haven't heard their version of this in years but it always makes me laugh. >If I recall correctly it was relelased shortly before the identities of the >Klaatu band members had been announced. I remember thinking that the >Carpenters probably recorded this song guessing that it was a new >Lennon/McCartney song they were covering (they recorded several L/McC tunes >over the years, didn't they?). Help was one, and an execrably dire version of Ticket to Ride was another. Buit some of the stuff they did was worthwhile, notably such songs as Superstar, Yesterday once more, On top of the world... and, for some reason, an obscure song called something like Mr.Guder. I have a theory that songs written off shortly after their time as mindless pap are worthwhile if, twenty years later, you still cannot help joining in with the chorus when you hear them. The sheer fact that you can remember the lyrics is a clue, but then again that also applies to some real crap. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: TV too good for TV On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, hbrandt wrote: > I can't turn off C-SPAN. The spectacle of the Bacchanalian revelry of > the Republican delegates, drunk on Bush and Dick, dancing to muzak > versions of 'Come Together' and 'Old Time Rock 'n' Roll' in realtime, > live extended segments with no voiceover commentary beats the shit out > of Big Brother and Survivor for sheer weird voyeuristic eye candy. And, > goddamn if Trent Lott doesn't have great hair. And doesn't Dnnis Hastert look like Lott's shorter fatter older brother? Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:45:21 -0400 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: TV too good for TV When did Chaka Khan triple in weight? I had no idea. Shocked but unaffected, Jon >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, hbrandt wrote: > >> I can't turn off C-SPAN. The spectacle of the Bacchanalian revelry of >> the Republican delegates, drunk on Bush and Dick, dancing to muzak >> versions of 'Come Together' and 'Old Time Rock 'n' Roll' in realtime, >> live extended segments with no voiceover commentary beats the shit out >> of Big Brother and Survivor for sheer weird voyeuristic eye candy. And, >> goddamn if Trent Lott doesn't have great hair. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:55:05 PDT From: "Proctology Now" Subject: Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) hmm, then you might want to check out . well, i couldn't possibly disagree more. but, what am i gonna do -- drive out to nebraska and administer a massive "swirlie" just because a guy doesn't like the same movies as me? well...now that i think about it, that *does* sound like kind of a good idea... KEN "...it wasn't easy, with that sumbitch Reagan in the White House" THE KENSTER ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:40:32 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) > Tews?> > > well, i couldn't possibly disagree more. but, what am i gonna do -- drive > out to nebraska and administer a massive "swirlie" just because a guy > doesn't like the same movies as me? well...now that i think about it, that > *does* sound like kind of a good idea... So long as we can sit together and have a beer first. :) Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com Currently Reading: "The Pillars of the Earth" by Ken Follett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:35:36 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Klaatu Regarding the Klaatu lyric about "most insanitary craft..." Well, I am surprised that Terrence has not stepped up to the plate, but actually the lyric is, "calling occupants, of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft." Yes, these will be very *clean* aliens that land to greet all the hippies of the world. And also -- as with Terrence, from a while back -- "Sir Army Suit" is high on my list of deleted albums I would love to get my hands on. Long live Politzania! >>If I recall correctly it was relelased shortly before the identities of the >>Klaatu band members had been announced. I remember thinking that the >>Carpenters probably recorded this song guessing that it was a new >>Lennon/McCartney song they were covering (they recorded several L/McC tunes >>over the years, didn't they?). Well, there was always the rumor that they were actually the Beatles. In fact, a few years ago "Musician" magazine ran a spoof on their back page -- a willfully bogus article revealing that Klaatu really were the Beatles, with faux interview excerpts from Paul MacCartney and all. Their intention was that you should cut the article out and keep it in your wallet, producing it as proof at parties frequented by friends that, most likely, wandered in from the set of "High Fidelity" or perhaps the Feg List..... - --Quaaltu Barana Nicto, who spent one (college) year of his life spending a lot of (high) times listening (devotedly) to Klaatu, Jade Warrior, Spirit and the Moody Blues, with lots and lots of candles burning, and wearing odd clothing.... Yessss.... I can feel my mind expanding even now... Mmm..... - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) http://www.w-rabbit.com/gerbilstuff/gerbilbabies15a.html "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." --Vice President Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:07:31 -0400 From: nyquilathotep Subject: Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) >> well, i couldn't possibly disagree more. but, what am i gonna do -- drive >> out to nebraska and administer a massive "swirlie" just because a guy >> doesn't like the same movies as me? > >So long as we can sit together and have a beer first. :) no no no. swirlie first, then beer. which taste would you rather have in your mouth at the end of the evening? +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:45:54 EDT From: JEFFB7777@aol.com Subject: first post from new member/ the Carpenters I'm new to this list and this is my first post. I took the advice I got when I signed on and have been reading the posts for a while to get the feel of the discussions. I thought it might be okay if I introduced myself. I've been a serious RH fan since I heard an interview with him on public radio during the "Moss Elixir" period and ran out and bought the CD the same day. Its still my favorite. I've only seen one RH show- that was about a month or two ago at the Bottom Line in NY. I'm fairly sure I have all of his commercial recordings (but not much Soft Boys) and I have some other odds and ends I got from Napster (oh god!, I used the "N" word!). I have a few boot cassettes of some radio broadcasts that I was sharing there, but with my slow Internet connection its been difficult for users to share my files so I stopped making them available. I felt it just wasn't fair to have someone invest so much time in downloading a big file only to have it crap out halfway thru. I thought I'd look into trading instead, but I'm guessing that there's probably very little (if anything) in my tiny collection that a serious trader doesn't already have. In any case feel free to contact me privately if you think we can help each other out. For 38 years I was a New Yorker but now I live about 60 miles north of there. I have a studio (apparently another dirty word to some) where I compose and record my own compositions but I have a day job. Enough about me- I'm amused by the discussion about the carpenters (and other thing: I support Ralph Nader). At the time they were at their peak I was in high school and college and interested in other much more "serious" kinds of music (Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson etc.). Secretly I admired the way that Karen's' voice sounded on their records - brilliant production job there- but in my circle of friends you could get killed admitting that. A recent post mentioned a song they did called "Superstar". At the time, and maybe even now, a lot of people didn't know that the song was written by Leon Russell and was originally recorded by a group called Delaney and Bonnie which featured Eric Clapton and occasionally George Harrison. The complete title of the song is "Superstar (Groupie)" and is about a groupie who feels cheated because the rock star she slept with left town and left her behind. I thought it was pretty funny that a song like that became a big hit at the time, considering the social climate, but then the carpenters changed some of the lyrics. ("I can hardly wait to sleep with you again" became "be with you again") In any case all this talk about the Carpenters made me think about how I used to hate them because they were "pop" stars, and with time and experience (and maturity?) I've learned to look past labels and find at least a little something good in almost any kind of music. jeffb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:09:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington-Jones Subject: Weenie-ism (A scenario - I need help) I'm making someone in Argentina a set of Robyn Hitchcock CD-R's containing the entire oeuvre in mp3 format. He has never heard Robyn, but knows that he is my musical fave, so he requested these mp3's from me (In exchange, he made cd-r's for me of the entire Luis Alberto Spinetta/Almendra/Pescado Rabioso/Los Amigos de Spinettalandia/Spinetta Jade oeuvre. Just to buy ONE of those cd's and have it shipped to my house was gonna cost me $60!!! Damn Argie economy and postal system.) CD-R ONE is almost done; It goes from RAW CUTS all the way through ELEMENT OF LIGHT. There is 20mb left, enough for 4 or 5 songs. The bus is moving, it can't go below 55mph or the bomb will explode....what are you gonna do???? a) fill up the rest with select tracks from gotta let this hen out (which i'm not planning on including in its entirety) b) just start with the next cd (in this case, invisible hitchcock), put as much as will fit on there, and finish it up on disc 2. i'm leaning toward "a" because of continuity. i hate to split the albums up. your suggestions?? =jbj= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington-Jones Subject: Politics Pianoheads and Runes I am intent on voting for Nader this fall. This is my way of voting against two-party politics, which is a fucking joke. We've all heard this before, but several fellow workers at my job tell me I'm wasting my vote: I need to vote for Gore so that Georgie Dub doesn't get into office. What do I tell them? (besides get bent.) How do y'all similiar minded people feel about this line of thinking. =jbj= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Politics Pianoheads and Runes John Barrington-Jones wrote: > I am intent on voting for Nader this fall. This is my > way of voting against two-party politics, which is a > fucking joke. > > We've all heard this before, but several fellow > workers at my job tell me I'm wasting my vote: I need > to vote for Gore so that Georgie Dub doesn't get into > office. > > What do I tell them? (besides get bent.) How do y'all > similiar minded people feel about this line of > thinking. one of two things, depending on what state you live in. a) if you are in a state that is clearly going one way or the other, you can say that you are trying to help a third party, who provides an actual alternative to the corporate parties, establish itself. b) that gore, like clinton, will be continually hounded about what a liberal he is (even though he isn't even close), that like clinton he will continually allow himself to be bullied by the republicans anyways, that you might as well force them to take the blame for their own evil rather than tricking gore into doing it, and then take back the democratic party, and the country, in 2004. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:47:40 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Politics Pianoheads and Runes Welcome new fegs of all kinds. We try to avoid overdoing politics on the list, but some amount of discussion seems inevitable. We all try to be civil, too. John BeJonesed: >What do I tell them? (besides get bent.) How do y'all >similiar minded people feel about this line of >thinking. Hmmm. I seem to recall somebody on this very list telling me that I was wasting my vote, when I announced my intention to vote for Ralph. I didn't respond then, but this is how I feel: From my viewpoint, the only significant arguments on the side of voting Democrat or Republican is over the issues of reproductive choice, school funding, and court appointments. I don't see a substantial difference otherwise in the policy politics of either. I have even noticed that the Republican convention looks like the Democratic ones of the past two presidential election seasons. Big tent, offend noone, say absolutely nothing specific. They even try to make George look like Jesus H. Christ, the same way they did to Bill Clinton- either being made of the stuff of hysterical comedy material or insane fiction from L Ron Hubbard. I do fear the way that the Republicans will address school funding (vouchers) and reproductive choice in the supreme court, and maybe congress if they do well, but try to keep discussion very low key before the election. I suspect that Bush just can't wait to play with army men, but I don't know that to be true. Unfortunately, from my standpoint, the Democrats (my original party of choice) have abandoned their positions of what I had once perceived as higher ground. The politics of the Democratic party have been so muddied by money and diluted such that to vote for Gore for issues of judicial appointments make that vot _for me_ (I criticize nobody else's judgement) to be offensively hypocritical. Is it the party of less injustice? For me, that is too sick of a choice. I honestly believe that a loud voice of protest is more valuable than a voice guilty of acquiescence. I think we all make individual decisions. I can't be anyone's conscience but my own. I faced this four years ago and believe sincerely that I did the wrong thing _for me_ when I voted for Clinton. Nevertheless, I think in the political game of rock, scissors, paper, wood beats paper mache, and therefore, Gore will beat Bush. I want to believe that someone like Nader will get people to register and vote for the granola parties who have never voted before and be counted, if for no other reason than to say that we are here and we give a shit. Your mileage will almost certainly vary, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:32:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: Politics Pianoheads and Runes - --- John Barrington-Jones wrote: > I am intent on voting for Nader this fall. This is my > way of voting against two-party politics, which is a > fucking joke. Amen. > We've all heard this before, but several fellow > workers at my job tell me I'm wasting my vote: I need > to vote for Gore so that Georgie Dub doesn't get into > office. I've talked to a lot of people about Nader, and the _only_ negative thing I've heard is that people are scared to vote for him lest he steal those proverbial votes from Gore and hand the election to Bush. No one expresses concerns about his ability, intelligence, or integrity- just that a vote for him would be a wasted vote. This suggests to me that people (lots and lots of people) WANT to vote for Nader, but they feel hampered because they don't see how supporters Nader has. Tell your friends that if Nader had a vote from every person planning to hold their nose and vote for Gore, Nader would stand a good chance of winning. Of course, the main issue is the addition of a third party to the political landscape. Nader will likely take votes from Bush as well as Gore, and get a lot of votes from people who haven't voted in years. But the only way any of this will take place is if people start voting their consciences. I have always voted my conscience (I have never voted for a president, because there was no one I wanted to see in office), and I have always felt good about my vote. It's a very exhilarating thing. What Nader needs most is to be included in the debates. On August 25, Nader will be at the Memorial Coliseum in Portland, and we hope that the event will get national coverage and prove how much support he has. If we can fill the 10,000 seats, it will look very good for him. People might start to think of him as a viable candidate. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:39:52 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: feelm >oh, and to the wag who sent me a barb about that, see >Cape Fear, and you'll see why Lewis received an Oscar nomination at age 16. Yeah, yeah...and Marisa Tomei won an Oscar, too. Juliette Lewis' career is practically *over*, at this point. Whether it's because of drug problems, or because she can't do anything on film but drool and act like trailer trash, is debatable. In any case, she's stuck on the third-string shelf now, sharing a cigarette with Martha Plimpton. Otherwise...a rather old-hat topic, wouldn't you say? (By the way, the remake of "Cape Fear" is nowhere near as good as the original. Subtle menace, replaced with brutal horror-film conventions. Blah. Scorsese's big sell-out, need-to-stockpile-some-cash film -- not as distasteful as "The Color of Money," but close.) Speaking of feelm, I recently saw "Celebrity," and this is one of the few Woody Allen films I've seen which was just plain *bad*. He has made plenty of "interesting failures," but this one didn't even deserve that faint praise. Awfully hard to watch a titan like Kenneth Branagh straining to duplicate Woody's stammering tics.... Anyone have an opinion on: Coldplay, How to Build a Rocketship, JJ72, Wilt, Matthew Jay, Ben Christophers, Doves, Little Mothers, Fungus, Knife in the Water, New Electrics, Mobilehomes, Frigid Vinegar, Echoboy or ...And They Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead? I recently saw these bands mentioned somewhere as being "new talent," and I don't know a thing about any of them. Eb, kinda plodding through a tape of Mike Leigh's "High Hopes," at the moment now ehhing: Ryan Adams, The Helio Sequence now playing: Tin Hat Trio interview ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:18:32 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: Klaatu The Great Quail wrote: > > Regarding...Klaatu... > Well, there was always the rumor that they were actually the Beatles. I remember when Klaatu's 1st LP was released. A DJ on (shades of the movie "FM") Q-FM-96/Columbus, who whisper-spoke into his mic while mixing in reverb and carted sound effects of wind chimes, took calls on The Beatles/Klaatu 'controversy'. As soon as he played the Klaatu tracks, it was so obviously NOT The Beatles that all the callers were just ridiculing this DJ as he tried to keep his failing on-air bit alive ("I dunno...it kinda sounds like it COULD be John Lennon..."). Betcha I've got a tape of this on an old reel-to-reel in a box somewhere! I think that whole rumor was fabricated by the label and Lee Abrams (who used to consult many AOR stations back then) to sell LP's. Anyone with half an ear would never be fooled. Of course, we now know that the only real Klaatu/Fabs connection is with the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" (see Ringo's "Goodnight Vienna" album cover photo) and not with the Canadian band. > --Quaaltu Barana Nicto The last two words are actually "Barada" and "Nikto" (in case it ever comes up, trivia buffs!) /hal now reading (comics dept.):: Adrian Tomine's OPTIC NERVE #7 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Politics Pianoheads and Runes On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > >From my viewpoint, the only significant arguments on the side of > voting Democrat or Republican is over the issues of reproductive > choice, school funding, and court appointments. I don't see a > substantial difference otherwise in the policy politics of either. you forgot gay rights. i can understand someone who opposed all manner of anti-discrimination laws not wanting to add any more groups to them -- it's not my viewpoint, but it is very close to the heart of some of conservatism's more appealling principles. Bush gets a pass from me on that one for now. however, his support for a *ban* on adoptions by gay parents is appalling. while i don't know how much better Gore OR Nader are on that issue at a gut level, i don't see either one backing anti-GLBT legislation, and despite Nader's crack about "gonad" politics, i wouldn't expect the Democrats or the Greens to crash-closet the daughter of a vice-presidential candidate. also, Bush's military policy will be that of his advisors, who (from appearances) will be rightward of Gore's, though perhaps more competent. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:36:02 PDT From: "Proctology Now" Subject: eb all over the gondolism ummm...if this is the third time you're receiving this message, then, don't mind me. i'm just a dumbfuck. (if not, then pretend you never read this part.) but there MUST be artillery! oh, wait. wrong thread. how about: but you MUST include GOTTA LET THIS HEN OUT! in its entirety? i say it's the third-best egyptians album, after ELEMENT OF LIGHT and RESPECT (respectively, har har.) and imagine laduke debating cheney and whatever nimrod gore chooses to be his running mate. never gonna happen though. if nader *does* meet the (completely arbitrary, to put the kindest possible word on it) 15% threshold, they'll dream up another reason to keep him out. however, why must every debate be sanctioned by "the committee"? a good "from the field" question to pose to both candidates during an early debate is whether they'd agree to go "over the head" of "the committee", and participate in a debate - -- even if only one -- in which nader would be included? and if not, why not? then watch 'em flail. john, tell your friends to look at clinton's record (or carter's, or johnson's, or kennedy's, or truman's, or roosevelt's, or wilson's; for that matter); and then ask why in fuck anybody should be distressed at "taking a vote away" from gore? i'll say it again: if you really feel a need to vote for the "lesser of two evils", then the "grand old party" is your clear "choice". KEN "What we *say* in this room, let it *stay* in this room" THE KENSTER ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #217 *******************************