From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #213 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 31 2000 Volume 09 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: polite tics (we want your body!) [Jeff Dwarf ] a quote [Bayard ] Feg Makes Good [The Great Quail ] Re: my dissertation on the ethics of Napster ["Ben" ] Re: Ruth's Refrigerator [Aaron Mandel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: polite tics (we want your body!) Eleanore Adams wrote: > You are correct about this Jeff. Our rights have been under attack, > especially through the 80's and 90's, not just legally, but > illegally. And the rights have been eroding legally rapidly since > 1992. I am very glad the Nebraska law was struck down in June, > unconstitutional, since it put the life of a fetus above the health > of a woman, but the majority was so very slim, and if the only reason > it was struck is a woman's health, then there is not much left from > roe still standing. This is why I can't vote for Nader, even though I > like him. I don't want to risk a conservative Bush in the White > House. Go for the Gore! remember also though that Gore is, to put it mildly, a very luke warm pro-choicer. he only became pro-choice in the fall of 1987, and then only because he was running for president in 88. that said, i still am not convinced that in the long run, Roe being overturned couldn't be the best thing to happen, since it might be the act necessary to remind the majority of people that abortion rights are truely, quite frankly, merely hypothetical. the right wing's beloved constitutional ammendment banning abortion will NEVER pass; but if Roe were overturned, you could create the public outcry to get an opposite ammendment to pass. and you could certainly get enough people in most states to stop it from being banned state by state. it would be a VERY dark 4-6, maybe even 10 years. but ultimately, the right to personal control over one's own being would be set upon a much firmer base than it is now. part of the problem, of course, is that even most people who are pro-choice consider abortion more of a necessary evil than a truly good thing (and i wouldn't argue with that since i actually agree with the masses on this), so it's easy to attack because no one is truly enthusiastic about abortion. if the technology existed today to successfully transfer an embryo/fetus from one womb to another, most people would be in favor of its outlaw (of course, you wouldn't need abortion then). it's sorta like the 2 Live Crew case was with free speech; it's easy to use abortion as the wedge to infringe upon people's (in this case women only, not that the same fringe don't want to control men's bodies as well) personal privacy, since it's unpleasant and distasteful. no one likes abortion. but we tolerate it because we know it's less awful than the alternative (back alley abortions, etc.). > eleanore > > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Eleanore Adams wrote: > > > Oh, Steve, I agree all you say, and fear the outcome of this > > > election......I love Nadar, but he may really screw us with some > > > right wing Justices....Kiss a woman's right to herself and health > > > goodbye > > > > except that a) in something like 85% of the counties in the US > right > > now, you already can't get an abortion already because threats > > Operation Rescue and simular terrorist organization and other laws > > limiting accesss (24 hour periods to "think about it", etc). if it > was > > formally outlawed, i think it would cause the backlash against the > > right wing that could mortally wound it. the two steps backward > might > > be just what is ultimately needed to permanantly fortify that > choice > > permanantly. > > > > granted as the proud owner of a penis, i am rather unlikely to get > > pregnant so this gamble scares me less than it quite understandably > > would if i didn't. but the fact is even WITH clinton/gore (and > > democratic congresses before them), the right to abortion has > already > > been seriously infringed. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:41:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: a quote this struck me as appropriate to the current battle over file sharing technology. An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. - -Victor Hugo (1802-1885) it was the quote of the day on "a word a day". http://www.wordsmith.org/awad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:42:55 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Feg Makes Good Some of you may know Timothy Jones -- occasional Feg and less-occasional friend of Scary Mary -- a lovely English expat who lives here in new York. He rarely posts, but he has been seen at various Feg gatherings.... He may be too modest to mention this, but he directed a play for the NYC Fringe Festival last year, "Never Swim Alone." It was pretty good - -- so good in fact, it won, and is now running off-Broadway to some great reviews. You can read more at: http://www.neverswimalone.com I just thought I'd pass this along -- I get so proud when a Feg makes good! Now if Gnat and I can just lock down that world domination thing.... - --Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) http://www.w-rabbit.com/gerbilstuff/gerbilbabies15a.html "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." --Vice President Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:59:11 -0400 From: "Ben" Subject: Re: my dissertation on the ethics of Napster This is nice and all, but l'm still waiting for Mr. Tim's seminal 1985 single "Santa Claus Has Got The AIDS This Year" / "She Left Me With The Herpes" to find it's way to CD... >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:39:51 -0700 >From: Eb >Subject: my dissertation on the ethics of Napster > >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:03:32 -0400 >To: "Rhino Handmade" >From: mr.hand@rhino.com >Subject: Rhino Handmade Early Warning 17 > >Greetings Earthling! > >This Monday, 31 July 2000, at Noon Pacific Daylight Savings Time [1900 >UTC], The Archivists at The Rhino Handmade Institute Of Petromusicology >will begin taking orders for TINY TIM's PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED 'Live! At >The Royal Albert Hall' 1968 performance. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:56:11 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: warning - sloppy tired political opinion eleanore responds: Well, this is a nice list, but I do not see how all of this blame of events falls all on Clinton/Gore, and how voting for Baby Bush will improve the state of the nation. Many of these issues are and were issues devided between the house, senate, and Clinton, as well as which lobby group was offering what funds to who to vote one way or another so a rider for another thing could be tacked on somewhere else. I am not saying that the positon of prez is innocent, but the position does not have enough power to do all. the biggest power the prez positon has (in my eyes) is the appointment power of the judiciary, and this is the way I vote. The prez is only one man, whos power is equal to the house, senate, and the judiciary (as well as many decisions that are still left up to the states.) I do single issue - ant that single issue is the judiciary vote. We have the prez for 4 years - nothing - but we get stuck with a judge for life. Yes, his appointment may be blocked, but the democrates had the house when regan was around and failed blocking the asshole Scalia. Proctology Now wrote: > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the demolition of iraq. > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the explosion in prison population. Much state law has to do with this. And Lobby groups. Contractors. Fear mongers who are tough on crime. Lack of education - another state issue. > > it is clinton/gore that have overseen "managed care". Clinton attempted reform. He was squashed like a bug by big money and his lack of a solid plan that did not look to socialized. > > it is clinton/gore that have overseen welfare "reform". Another State issue. Not Federal. Who do you vote for govenor? > > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the massive erosion of civil > liberties. > it is clinton/gore that have overseen passage of nafta and wto (and almost > mai). As if Bush (daddy Bush) would have been better? > > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the terrifying escalation (including a > billion brand new taxdollars) in colombia. > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the further commodification of food. > it is clinton/gore that have overseen continued ecological destruction > (according to david brower, the first *four* years of the clinton > administration were more damaging to the environment than reagan and bush > combined -- and it's tough to disagree with him). > > moreover, > > this doesn't make much sense. if it is indeed the only issue worth caring > about; given your acknowledgement that the right to choose has been > all-but-eliminated under eight years of clinton/gore, shouldn't you be > voting for BUSH? No. This is not Clinton, but the appointments by Regan and Bush. Clinton has made improvements. See Ruth B. Ginsburg. Clinton was given what Regan (Kennedy, O'Connor, Scalia - who I hate with venom) and Bush appointed. (Thomas - What a winner. Not. Pubic hair anyone?) Clinton appointed Breyer and Ginsburg. I love Ruth, and this is why I am voting for Gore. (Reignquist or Stevens has got to keel over soon. Old Nixon leftovers.) I'll end here. I am tired, and If you vote for Bush, so be it......at least you vote and care, and that is probably the most important thing, period. apathy is the real enemy. elenaore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:04:46 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Robert Scott A few weeks back someone was asking about a Robert Scott (of Bats/Clean fame) solo album, and I said I didn't think there was one. well, I spoke too soon. For those of you that were puzzled, "The creeping unknown" was released this week, and is available through Flying Nun. I haven't heard it yet, but most reviews are mixed-to-favourable, although a couple have commented that a lot of the tracks sound like half-finished ideas rather than complete songs. Then again, that's often true with the Clean's music, so it's not too surprising. An article on the album in the local paper (Otago Daily Times) says that it should be released inAustralia in August/September, and negotiations are underway with distributors in the US and Europe. Robert is also working with a new (possibly part-time) band called Harmonies Deluxe containing Scott, Robbie Yeats (ex-Dead C, Verlaines) and Tom Bell. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:11:43 PDT From: "Proctology Now" Subject: Re: warning - sloppy tired political opinion *sigh*. how in god's holy name do i always get sucked into these things? of course they're not entirely to blame. but they're entirely supportive. if you have a problem with them, you really shouldn't be voting for gore. nader. voting for nader would most likely improve the state of the nation. and who are beholden to the corporations that funded all of their campaigns (and who, in many instances, have large stakes in these business, if they haven't at one time been outright sitting on their boards). sure. so don't vote then. i've no problem with that. and many of the worst judges have been appointed by democrats, and many of the better by republicans. yet you still trust them to do the right thing? < > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the demolition of iraq. > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the explosion in prison population. Much state law has to do with this. And Lobby groups. Contractors. Fear mongers who are tough on crime. Lack of education - another state issue.> iraq policy (and foreign policy generally, really) is driven by clinton, blair, and albright. just to remind ourselves precisely what this means in this case: 4,000-5,000 children under five killed every month by the sanctions, a tenfold increase in cancers (due to the u.s. use of depleted uranium during the gulf war -- and its blocking of any sort of cleanup), massive brain drain, horrific ecological destruction, almost complete disintegration of health care (the most advanced in the region before the gulf war), no water treatment, no electricity, runaway inflation, rampant illiteracy (along with libya, the most literate country in the region before the war), etc.. in short, an almost total obliteration of the society. the "war on drugs", the "omnibus anti-terrorism" act et al. emanate from the white house. < > it is clinton/gore that have overseen "managed care". Clinton attempted reform. He was squashed like a bug by big money and his lack of a solid plan that did not look to socialized.> please. clinton attempted jack shit, except for giving the whole shebang over to the insurance companies. reading through it, can you honestly deduce that "managed care" means *anything* other than "managed by the insurance companies"? < > it is clinton/gore that have overseen welfare "reform". Another State issue. Not Federal. Who do you vote for govenor?> come again? it's a federal issue. clinton gleefully signed off on it (after only one democratic congressperson up for reelection -- wellstone -- voted against it). < > it is clinton/gore that have overseen the massive erosion of civil > liberties. > it is clinton/gore that have overseen passage of nafta and wto (and almost > mai). As if Bush (daddy Bush) would have been better?> he had four years to try. clinton easily outpaced him in *his* first four years. yipes! EFFUSIVE apologies all the way 'round if i gave that impression. i'm voting for nader. sent his campaign a c-note. probably carry a placard in my shorts, or something. that'll in all likelihood be the extent of it. my point was that IF you're concerned only with retaining your right to choose (or with civil liberties more generally), and IF you're convinced that voting for either gore or bush will make a modicum of difference, then you're probably better off going with bush. the reality, in my opinion, is that it doesn't matter fuckall who you vote for in the two seconds it takes to do so if you're then going to go sit your ass on the sofa for the next four years and presume that your interests are going to be taken care of. if you're concerned about this -- or any -- issue, then GET INVOLVED. we can move mountains, *regardless* of who's in office, if only we believe we can. [cue (I've Had) The Time Of My Life. or maybe Solidarity Forever, i guess.] from algore2000.com: Throughout his career, Al Gore has supported tough punishment to maintain law and order. He helped to make sure the Clinton-Gore anti-crime bill was the toughest Crime Bill in the nation's history - including the "Three Strikes -- You're Out" law to get career criminals off the streets for life, and an expansion of the death penalty for drug kingpins, murderers of federal law enforcement officers, and nearly 60 additional kinds of violent felons. He also believes in the approach to law enforcement called "Broken Windows": that a targeted assault on all crime and disorder, large and small - - from graffiti, broken windows, and crumbling buildings to more serious crimes - can create an environment in which people respect the law, each other, and the community in which they live. . ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:33:02 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: Ruth's Refrigerator I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the fairly rare Soft Boys song "Innocent Boy" has been covered by a weird defunct band from England called Ruth's Refrigerator. Anyone who would cover a Robyn song only available on the semi-legal record TWO HALVES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE has got to be a Fegmaniac, and thus worth seeking out. Those of you who are familiar with the original Soft Boys song may find the cover version a little surprising. From the lyric sheet to SUDDENLY A DISFIGURED HEAD PARACHUTED by Ruth's Refrigerator: Innocent Boy. ------------- You expect me to pay for your knee operation. You must be an extremely innocent boy. You expect me to go and make you a trifle out of iron filings and wood. Not only are you very innocent you don't know much about cooking either. And after that you want to watch 'Spot the Bear' on my television. Angel of the decade, I've got bad news, it isn't on on Thursdays. - - David Librik p.s. other songs on this disc of interest to Robynophiles might be "Gro Harlem Brundtland Wants Some Fish" and "Fish in the Air/Birds in the Sea." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Ruth's Refrigerator On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, David Librik wrote: > I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the fairly rare > Soft Boys song "Innocent Boy" has been covered by a weird defunct band > from England called Ruth's Refrigerator. Ruth's Refrigerator is actually Ruth Miller from Po! (not "Poe" or "Po.", two somewhat objectionable American bands) and Alan Jenkins from The Chysanthemums/Deep Freeze Mice/Creams. The following URLs may be useful in acquiring Jenkins' records. The first is Cordelia Records, his label; the second is Madagascar Records in Canada, who seem to have the reissues of the earlier DFM albums and the two Ruth's Refrigerator CDs, which Alan is out of. http://homepages.stayfree.co.uk/cordelia/Pages/Home%20page.html http://www.interlog.com/~costan/mgccat.html If you want my opinion, Suddenly A Disfigured Head Parachuted is excellent and Little Flecks Of Foam Around Barking is a little too long but also good. The other Deep Freeze Mice records I've heard are brilliant in places but also have some "jamming". > Those of you who are familiar with the original Soft Boys song may > find the cover version a little surprising. I though the two were quite similar. What surprised you about it? aaron ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #213 *******************************