From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #207 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 09 : Number 207 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Looking for a little woodworking project? ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Nader natterings [Christopher Gross ] Mac Trouble [Glen Uber ] When you hear the word Democracy, I reach for my shotgun ["The Rooneys" <] Re: Mac Trouble ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] can you pass the headphones? i can't reach them. [dmw ] Re: Nader natterings ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] re: two things [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: Nader natterings [Christopher Gross ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #206 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Unsophisticated Time on CD [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) [Eleanore Adams ] Ozzy on VH1 [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: polite tics [steve ] Re: polite tics [lj lindhurst ] Re: polite tics [Christopher Gross ] Permatree update! [Bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:36:03 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Looking for a little woodworking project? While you've got the time... http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/showoff.cfm?&DID=6&CATID=50&ObjectGroup_ID=265 ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) "Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say." -Marketing executive Citrix Corporation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:19:06 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: ...in the news . . ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:31:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Nader natterings On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Vivien Lyon wrote: > On the other hand, having a bunch of Naderites in the voting > booths would mean a democratic congress, and I think that's a > greater victory than a democrat like Gore in the White House. You might be right about that. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that a lot of Nader voters will simply skip the congressional races. "Unwilling to vote for Gore, but still willing to vote for Democratic Senators and Representatives" seems like a pretty narrow window to me. (BTW, are there many Green Party candidates in Congressional and state races this year?) > I > can't believe people would rather waste their vote on someone > they don't like when there is finally an acceptable option. > Voting isn't like playing poker- you shouldn't bluff. I agree; but apparently this principle leads us to different conclusions. I believe you should vote for the one you think would really be the best President if elected, not to "send a message" or bring one candidate's pet issues onto center stage. Now who do I think would be better, Nader or Gore? First of all, I don't agree with Nader any more than I do with Gore. But even if I agreed with Nader completely, I don't imagine that President Nader could get more than 1% of his program enacted, because Congress would be too hostile and he has no institutional base to help him. Better to vote for someone who could do at least a little good in office, than someone chock-full of good intentions that he could never put into practice. I do agree that voting solely to "send a message" is reasonable if you find both major parties completely unacceptable ... which I don't. > And I > believe people who rarely vote will come out of the woodwork to > vote for Nader, if his campaign gets any coverage. Sure, some people will, but I wonder if it will be enough to affect the election. I suspect many (most, even) non-voters aren't waiting for the right candidate; they're variously uninterested in politics, convinced that their one vote doesn't matter among the millions, avoiding voter registration in order to duck jury duty, and yes, in some cases, they really are lazy and ignorant. But, we'll see. (And unfortunately, we may also see Pat Buchanan bringing a lot of non-voters out of another woodwork, the white supremecist woodwork. The saddest part is, he probably won't be stealing from Bush nearly as much as Nader steals from Gore.) > I'll say it's interesting. It's interesting that Jonathan Chait > doesn't seem to understand why environmentalists aligned > themselves with union workers, and why Nader really does > represent green interests: who is polluting and clear-cutting > and using child labor? Why, it's the very corporations that > Nader wants to rein in. In no way is he compromising the basic > green view. Chait's point is that Nader is concentrating entirely on his anti-corporate policies and ignoring environmentalism (not to mention the Greens' loonier positions). Of course you may think that any anti-corporate measure is necessarily, ipso facto, a pro-environment measure, but I disagree. Life ain't that simple. You have to look at the specific policies and estimate what their effects would be. One example cited in the article is Nader's claim that fighting the big oil monopolists would result in lower gas prices. Since when is lowering gas prices, and thus increasing gas consumption, an environmentalist goal? > Well, he really hasn't seized anything- he's not even a member > of the Green Party. He just accepted their nomination. He's > still independent, as he always has been. He's independent, but the Green Party isn't; they're stuck with him until November. And until then, he'll be using *their* money and *their* activists to advance *his* agenda. Of course the Green Party brought it on themselves by endorsing a candidate with a different agenda.... I wonder how many Green Party members are aware of just where the environment ranks on Nader's list of priorities. (NOTE: I'm not especially outraged by any of this. I, personally, agree more with Nader than with the Green Party. Their party platform could only make environmentalists look bad. Thank the gods no one in America reads party platforms!) - --Chris "Political Threads" the Punditster ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:31:56 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Mac Trouble Any of you Macheads have a clue about this? Our bookkeeper has a Performa 6115CD running 8.1. The past few weeks, she's been having trouble with the monitor not coming on when she turns the computer on. I have had to zap the PRAM each time she turns on the computer and it's always worked (despite having to reinstall her printer driver). We took to leaving the computer on to avoid trouble altogether, but somehow, last night the computer was turned off and it won't turn on regardless of what I do. I've tried starting without extentions, I've tried booting from a CD, I've tried zapping the PRAM, I've unplugged the SCSI chain. I'm at a loss as to what to do next. Any ideas? We are getting her a new iMac at the beginning of next month, but we still need to retrieve her old Quick Books info on the Performa and I can't do that unless I have a working monitor. What would you guys do? Please advise if you can. - -- Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:55:14 -0600 From: "The Rooneys" Subject: When you hear the word Democracy, I reach for my shotgun rUss eloquently glazed: "I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the number one reason people don't vote is the feeling that one vote doesn't make a difference either way" It's true! It's true! And a _large_ number of non-voters* truly believe that the popular vote means nothing; "It's all the Electoral College (equivalent to 'the Academy' in aloofness and nobodyknowswhatitisness?) and they would never let an independent take office." A fewer number* believe that we're a Republic and that smarter people than we [sic.] should make our decisions for us. And the smallest number of non-lazy voters* believe that the beauty of the system is that it's so hard to change that it really doesn't matter who takes office; things can't get FUBAR in one term. I think Oprah could take it if she wanted it. - - Bill * source: PIOMA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:52:58 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: Mac Trouble > Any of you Macheads have a clue about this? > > Our bookkeeper has a Performa 6115CD running 8.1. The past few weeks, she's > been having trouble with the monitor not coming on when she turns the > computer on. I've had this happen with 2 (count 'em!) Macs of mine (well, they were both Power Computing clones). I tried everything you've described, plus replace the CMOS battery (upon the advice of a tech). Nothing helped. Eventually I was told by someone that my logic board was fried somehow. I know that's not very helpful, but maybe there's a way you can test it to see if that's the case? :P Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org Currently Reading: "The God Who Risks" by John Sanders "Freedom is the most demanding of all responsibilities. It is something constantly to be worked at if it is to be understood, maintained, and developed. Freedom is not so much the liberty to do what one likes, as the right to be able to do what one ought". - Ashley Montagu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:59:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: can you pass the headphones? i can't reach them. On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, The Rooneys wrote: > > * source: PIOMA > i always cited this source as POOMA, but i'm delighted to know that other people know the virtues of this valuable research tool. my friend and ex-good boss Jim was once asked by the evil senior vp to explain the derivation of that acronym in front of people more evil yet (whenever i think of the ceo now i think of the deathbird as in the harlan ellison story i barely remember reading when i was ten ...swooping menacing cruel thing with an enermous goldurn wingspan.) in one of the more dilbert-esque of many dilbert-esque moments i had before my sudden awakening. Jim survived and so did i. some are still enslaved there. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Nader natterings - --- Christopher Gross wrote: > issues onto center stage. Now who do I think would be better, Nader or > Gore? First of all, I don't agree with Nader any more than I do with > Gore. But even if I agreed with Nader completely, I don't imagine that > President Nader could get more than 1% of his program enacted, because > Congress would be too hostile and he has no institutional base to help > him. Better to vote for someone who could do at least a little good in > office, than someone chock-full of good intentions that he could never > put > into practice. I've thought about this also, but I feel kind of sick about the bind that puts us in. No one doubts that a one-party system equals no choice, but I tend to feel that way about a two-party system as well. Even if we get a viable third-party Presidential candidate we're stuck because Congress is still locked up in two-party hell. What's the best way to break this cycle (and I think we need to)? Do we keep voting for the same Republicrat every four years, hoping that next time by magic Congress will go "poof" and have a third-party majority? Yeah, right. Do we campaign to get a third-party candidate in the White House only to suffer through his standoff with Congress? What *would* happen if Nader got into office? If the voters put him there, would they reelect Congresspeople who refused to work with him and make things happen? Or would he be sucked into the political machine and make deals with both parties, or just one of them? It's very depressing that I can't imagine these scenarios ever happening. Is the answer simply to tolerate the two-headed monopoly and work to drive issues, not candidates? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:24:51 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: re: two things So that New York Dolls song was about me the whole time! (obscure musical reference) >2.) I see that there's a city in Vietnam called Bac Lieu. Could this be >an alternate origin for the name Buckalew? > > >--Chris > >______________________________________________________________________ >Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >chrisg@gwu.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:41:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Nader natterings On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I've thought about this also, but I feel kind of sick about the bind > that puts us in. No one doubts that a one-party system equals no > choice, but I tend to feel that way about a two-party system as well. > Even if we get a viable third-party Presidential candidate we're > stuck because Congress is still locked up in two-party hell. What's > the best way to break this cycle (and I think we need to)? Well, some possible third-party Presidents would have a better chance at working with Congress than others, so we shouldn't give up hope. But if you really want to build a third party, I think the best way to do it would be to tackle the Presidency *last*. Go for local and state offices first, then Congress; meanwhile, run a Presidential candidate, but don't make him/her the centerpiece of the party whose inevitable loss will kill morale. Note that the last third party to really hit the big time, the Republican Party, elected a large number of Congressmen before they got their first President. (Of course they were also helped tremendously by unique circumstances, like the collapse of the Whig party, but that's another story.) But working for issues instead of parties might be the best idea of all. Remember that in America party discipline is a joke, making it possible to convert individual politicians to positions that their own parties don't support. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:30:40 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #206 >> Eb (the "Soy Bomb" gag seems rather overrated, as well) > >Agreed. And I guess there will be a lot of competition for Most Egregious >Omission, but I'll cast my vote for one Eb already mentioned: EC and the >Attractions, SNL 1977. That was my Beatles on Ed Sullivan, and I suspect >I'm not alone. since this was undoubtedly the top moments of US music TV, and IO doubt if it screened there, but the infamous Sex Pistols interview where they caused so much outrage with their exuberant use of the language must surely rate. oh, and while we're on the subject of excellent films with Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, can I put in a vote for "The wrong box"? James PS - Quail, other NY fegs - what's all this on the news about mosquitoes? James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:56:11 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Unsophisticated Time on CD In the event that it would be of interest to some readers here, I just wanted to post that I found out today that you can now order Marti Jones' debut album on CD from www.efolkmusic.com. This is an event I have been eagerly awaiting since probably 1985. thank you drive thru, Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:47:41 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) I LOVe Kingpin!!! eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:10:03 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Ozzy on VH1 Ok, it was probably a rerun, but I have been studying for finals and don't care..... VH1 is not your mom's soft rock station anymore (we just got VH1 a few weeks ago, when they reallocated the basic cable stations again). They just had a Behing the Music on Ozzy, who is always interesting. I had the opportunity to see him, for free, company suite, free champagne, on thanksgiving. I think it was 1992, and he had a broken leg, in a cast, and still jumped off of speaker cabinets, and totally rocked out. Now they are talking about Wendy O williams of the Plasmatics..... Got to say, VH1 is pretty addicting.....And tomorrow is the Meatloaf movie..... You know what Ted Nugent always says....It's a free for all, Suck It! eleanore (you know when there are school finals when you recieve e-mail about ted nugent....) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Taxi Driver (0% Robyn Content) Eleanore Adams wrote: > I LOVe Kingpin!!! > > eleanore > especially bill murray's toupee flopping around in the finals...classic, brilliant, sick sick stuff..... ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:26:12 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: polite tics Mark_Gloster@3com.com: >Unless something drastic happens with Wall st., I fully >expect Al Gore to be the next US president. Dog bless you guys on the left coast, but we'll be lucky if Gore wins by one electoral vote. Keep your fingers crossed that Bush looks bad in the "debates" - his election team probably won't make many mistakes. >I can only imagine that my right-of-center brethren and >sistren are even more apalled at their presidential >choices than I am at mine. Who do you think voted for Bush in the primary elections? They like him because they think he can WIN. And there's a reasonable chance that the Republicans will retain both houses of congress. Never mind Bush, who probably won't get in the way - they'll have Dick Armey and Tom Delay and Trent Lott to pass their right wing legislation. Or maybe the Republicans will only keep the Senate, that means Bush can appoint whoever he wants to the federal bench. And he won't make the mistakes his daddy did - his appointments will be hard right judicial activists, like the ones on the 4th Circuit. (Who, after elected officials refused to do so, solicited a right wing legal foundation to argue against Miranda). Or maybe some nutjob academics from the Law and Economics bunch at the University of Chicago. And the executive branch will be full of the creeps that slither out of Heritage, AEI, and the other right wing think tanks. They'll be full of righteousness and ready to return the country to its Reganite glory. Maybe they'll write a few laws just to help a wayward Sharkboy mend his ways. How about a year at a reeducation camp run by Marvin Olasky? (Forget this crap about Bush being bipartisan - he has no real power, and the Democrats control the Texas House of Representatives. They've shot down his stupider legislation and replaced most of it with something at least a little bit better. Now he takes credit for it, although all he did sign the bills (or maybe just not veto them). >I don't dislike Gore, but I think he will >continue to wash out his values to appeal to the right. He's looking for votes from the center, just like anybody running in a national election has to do. >I think this time it will be quite easy for me to vote >for Ralph Nader. I'm hoping he gets 15% of the vote. And Bush wins with 45%. Be ready to say goodbye to any civil rights that you can't convince Antonin Scalia are derived directly from the text of the Constitution. You have been warned. - - Steve __________ Well, Jesus ain't no astronaut And Buddah, he's no fool Cathedral bells don't ring in hell 'cos cats down there don't think that's cool. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:49:38 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: polite tics >And the executive branch will be full of the creeps that slither out of >Heritage, AEI, and the other right wing think tanks. They'll be full of >righteousness and ready to return the country to its Reganite glory. >Maybe they'll write a few laws just to help a wayward Sharkboy mend his >ways. How about a year at a reeducation camp run by Marvin Olasky? Add to this the fact that 3 of our Supreme Court justices are now over 70 years old, so whoever is elected president next will have a good opportunity to stock it up with like-minded judges. hey look, I'm talking about politics...that hurts my head... lj - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: polite tics On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, steve wrote: > Dog bless you guys on the left coast, but we'll be lucky if Gore wins by > one electoral vote. Keep your fingers crossed that Bush looks bad in the > "debates" - his election team probably won't make many mistakes. Oh, don't be so pessimistic. Gore has been moving up in the polls lately, and low unemployment and low inflation, like we have now, usually favor the incumbent party. (Admittedly you can't always rely on these general rules. For example, the old "every president since 1840 elected in a year evenly divisible by 20 has died in office" rule certainly let us down with Reagan.) Wait and see how things look around Sept. 1 before you start to get worried. - --Chris, not only on the right coast but actually inside the Beltway! ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Permatree update! Hey Fegs! Just a quick update on the "Permatree", the feg tape tree thinger. Wanted to say, hang tight, it is being worked on! The estimable Jill Sunderlin asked me to pass this information on to you. Also, to the person who wrote to Jill a couple of weeks ago re. the tree, she apologizes but lost your message! Anyone who wants to sign up for the tree, you could send a quick note to treemaster@bitmine.net - the treemaster will then email you when the web form is ready to collect all your info. I am excited about what has been done (nice looking pages) and what is being done (nifty back-end programming that will be quite useful.) Looks like this will swallow up the Globe of Fegs too, since geographic info will be included in the database. Perhaps we could even collect data for the FEGMONOMICON. Anyway, you have been warmed. =b ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #207 *******************************