From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #204 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, July 23 2000 Volume 09 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- You fill me with inertia [ultraconformist ] I am really going to get it for this... [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: I am really going to get it for this... [Eleanore Adams ] Re: P.S. I am leaving you my collection of moths ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: show me the way to the next whiskey bar [MARKEEFE@aol.com] "live death" [leahyc@tsainc.com] robyn covers nite/cone exhibit [Bayard ] Physics ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: Physics [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] oh, don't ask why.... [The Great Quail ] Rushing to Cindy's defense [The Great Quail ] Re: Stone the quails ["James Hadfield" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:11:44 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: You fill me with inertia >I'm terrified by the remake because it'll mean the original will be mired >by comparisons and people will mistake it for an original work, etc. Feh >and bah. Yeah, well, People are stoopid. As for the comparisons....geez, how could those do anything but help the original? I will say tho, that when I heard Liz Hurley was going to be in it I was actually moderately excited. I had just assumed she was going to be taking Eleanor Bron's role, which she would actually maybe have been good in. As it is, I think the twisted buddy camaraderie between Cook and Moore was one of the great things in the original. Changing it to "man and sexy female" instead is altogether a different film. And Brendan Fraser? Please. Like anyone would believe Brendan Fraser as a shy nebbishy guy who collects moths. >it was on the cable movie channel Starz!. They played it about every six >hours for a straight week. I watched it about every other time. We don't all have the deluxe movie package, you know. Really I don't care so much about seeing it on TV. I mean, that's certainly OK but I really want the DVD so I can watch the rock star sequence and the nuns over and over without wearing out the media :). Love on ya, susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:40:12 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #203 >> Um, Drew, you don't seem to be familiar with it, but the original >> "Bedazzled", which stars Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, with a brilliant >> screenplay by Cook (which I assume they have "improved" for this film) is >> one of the funniest movies ever made. > >Second that vote. Bedazzled is brilliant and fantastic. and thirded... BTW, does anyone know of a -seemingly extremely obscure- Peter Cook movie called something like "The rise and rise of Peter Rimmer"? I vaguely remember it as being even funnier than Bedazzled, but no-one I've ever mentioned it to seem to have heard of it. As for the movie stars, shape, shmape. It's not the shape of the body, it's what the person inside is capable of. And you can look at that sentence any damn way you want! ;) James PS - in response to a message earlier fromEb, yes, sadly Martin Phillipps does have Hepatitis C (and I think he's on something like Interferon for it). Even so, he's healthier than he has been (his drug problems seem well under control now), though understandably not in top condition. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:24:05 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Meat, as in Loaf This week is the MeatLoaf biography movie on VH1!!!!! should be a good time!!!!! eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:47:11 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: I am really going to get it for this... In a message dated 7/22/2000 4:31:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << what i should say is that a size 6 is ALSO beautiful, along with a size 12, 18, or 22. >> Yes, but what about size 24? 26? 5672? You must admit, there comes a point where size is not attractive. I will never find size 22 attractive. When a person is so overweight as to affect their health, there is usually something going on inside. And quite frankly, I don't need all the "baggage" involved with a size 22. Size 22 needs help right now. I'm sure weight issues are hereditary, considering 2 people in my immediate family are wayyyyyy overweight. But they are stubborn and "don't want to hear it." And they continue to go to Taco Bell at midnight and order extra sour cream. Whatever. Unhealthy is not attractive. Skinny or jumbo. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:40:55 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: I am really going to get it for this... As a woman, I do agree with what you are saying. I think the big issue (at least with my friends) is that most women are about 5'4 and 150. Not over weight. not even close to size 22 (somewhere between size 10 and 14) and the media calls us "fat" and "unattractive". No one personally thinks this about us. (my husband thinks I look fine) But I, myself, feel that I could do better, and the bottom line is those feeling are generated from what I have learnded from my environment. And if one sees me on film, I look very large (I also look bad in florecent light). And this is frustrating. I got a copy of Stone's The Doors free with my DVD player a cople of years ago. I just put it on. It is a mediocre movie, but on DVD, hooked up to the sterio, the sound is fabulous. (which I am sure is why the were giving away free copies with DVD palyers) Kyle Maclachlan as Ray Manzarak is pretty fun. elenaore BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/22/2000 4:31:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << what i should say is that a size 6 is ALSO beautiful, > along with a size 12, 18, or 22. >> > > Yes, but what about size 24? 26? 5672? You must admit, there comes a point > where size is not attractive. I will never find size 22 attractive. When a > person is so overweight as to affect their health, there is usually something > going on inside. And quite frankly, I don't need all the "baggage" involved > with a size 22. Size 22 needs help right now. > > I'm sure weight issues are hereditary, considering 2 people in my immediate > family are wayyyyyy overweight. But they are stubborn and "don't want to > hear it." And they continue to go to Taco Bell at midnight and order extra > sour cream. Whatever. > > Unhealthy is not attractive. Skinny or jumbo. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:19:27 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: show me the way to the next whiskey bar Guys, You know that Doors song "whiskey bar"? Is this a cover of a german drinking song? This ain't no original, or is it? eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:53:00 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: more on stone.... Ok, there was a heated debate over oliver stone, and i know i am late on the fight....... i have had a love/hate relationship with his films. I love his stolen scorscese directing, and sometimes it is very effective. he knows how to set a mood, and use film as a canvas. he also has a very good grip on the use of sound. his casting is always fantastic. i don't know who his casting director is, but does a mighty fine job....but.... often he is over the top when it is not needed, hammering you to death with a point. sometimes it is effective, sort of like minimalest modern composers, such as john smith, or phillp glass, part of the mood or the whole, but then again,......sometimes you just want to slap him and say "hire an editor who has passed puberty!!!!" His stories are enjoyable, as distortions of history, but not as history. sort of like those disclaimers they always post at the beginning of law and order, which say that the story you are about to see is fiction and is not a true story. but then you recall readidng that very story a month ago in the papers....This does get annoying, if you don't step back and just take it as a movie. I really enjoyed Platoon and Born on the Fourth. again, casting..... As directors go, he is very talented, but has large faults that you would think he would see in himself and become great, but until he edits himself better, he will never be up there with the best.... eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: P.S. I am leaving you my collection of moths - --- ultraconformist wrote: > Um, Drew, you don't seem to be familiar with it, but the original > "Bedazzled", which stars Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, with a brilliant > screenplay by Cook (which I assume they have "improved" for this film) > is > one of the funniest movies ever made. Pity they cast Hurley in it, then, isn't it? I'll join you in hoping it increases the availability of the original. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: show me the way to the next whiskey bar - --- Eleanore Adams wrote: > Guys, > > You know that Doors song "whiskey bar"? Is this a cover of a german > drinking song? This ain't no original, or is it? It's a Brecht/Weill collaboration, also known as "Alabama Song" (at least the Doors version is). Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:01:32 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: more alicia witt For any who care, HBO Plus will show the episode of The Sopranos guest starring Alicia Witt this (Sunday) evening (10:15p EDT HBOP/10:15p PDT HBPW). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:56:57 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: show me the way to the next whiskey bar In a message dated 7/22/00 10:25:42 PM, eleanore@tdl.com writes: << You know that Doors song "whiskey bar"? Is this a cover of a german drinking song? This ain't no original, or is it? >> "Alabama Song" by Kurt Weill, I believe. - ----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:36:03 -0500 From: leahyc@tsainc.com Subject: "live death" i'm sure the majority of the list already has this disc but who knows. i pretty much own only store released cd's of robyn's music so i was quite happy to get my hands on it. if, by chance you don't have it and are willing to trade, email me off-list. i'd be happy with anything robyn. :) chad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:55:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: robyn covers nite/cone exhibit so how did this go? On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Robyn Hitchcock Tribute Night/ Cone Exhibition > A packet of locals kneel beneath the graven image of He Who Cannot Be > Fathomed, the hyper-quizzical popnaut who began his career as a strange > young punk before scaling heights of absurdity. Fine Portland > singer/strummers like Colin Meloy, Ezra Holbrook and Jen Bernard will > supplement Robyn's writings. And check this out: The evening includes an > exhibition of the Northwest's largest collection of Hitchcock's "cones," [etc] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:06:49 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Physics The people I've been working with recently (Robin Hood, Maid Marian, The Sherriff Of Nottingham etc.) have been arguing about the laws of gravity. Someone said that a bullet fired horizontally and one dropped from the same height as the firing gun would hit the ground at the same time. Any scientist types out there who can confirm or refute this? I'm afraid we're all useless art-farty types. ( BTW there are no beasts of field or forest in the way of the speeding bullet... :-) ) jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:43:38 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Physics I think of myself also as a more *artsyfartsy guy, but maybe my occasionally applicable pseudointellectual sequitors or non will brand me as a renaissance man. Speaking not as a real physician or scientist, my knowledge is well-founded in the webbed catacombs of my brain labeled "high school" and from more recent continuing education via Bill Nye, Science Court, and other "children's" educational shows. I studied ballistics in elementary school to improve my snowball-throwing abilities (for primarily defensive purposes.) Yes, gravity will act the same on both objects, but my guess is that they would not hit at the same time for other reasons of physics affecting the fired bullet. Air density and the randomizing effect upon the spiralling projectile could skew the results. If done at sea level and at 8000 feet, there would almost certainly be different results, though the dropped bullet would drop at a reasonably constant rate. Incidentally, I did learn how to win a water fight, snowball fight, paint fight, etc., and it actually has surprisingly little to do with ballistics. 'ope thi' 'elps, - -'arkboy *some have already chimed in by this point, under their breath, that I am, in fact, more fartsy than artsy. See, I can even read minds. "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Sent by: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" cc: (Mark Gloster/HQ/3Com) Subject: Physics The people I've been working with recently (Robin Hood, Maid Marian, The Sherriff Of Nottingham etc.) have been arguing about the laws of gravity. Someone said that a bullet fired horizontally and one dropped from the same height as the firing gun would hit the ground at the same time. Any scientist types out there who can confirm or refute this? I'm afraid we're all useless art-farty types. ( BTW there are no beasts of field or forest in the way of the speeding bullet... :-) ) jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:06:55 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: oh, don't ask why.... >You know that Doors song "whiskey bar"? Is this a cover of a german >drinking song? This ain't no original, or is it? This has already been answered -- Weill/Brecht's "Alabama Song" -- but I thought I would further it by mentioning that it's from "The Rise and Fall of the State of Mahoganny," one of the most controversial of their collaborations. (There were even riots at the Leipzing premier.) It is not, in fact, a German drinking song, but a parody of those evil capitalist Americans, and in the original, it is sung by a woman, who is looking for the "next pretty boy" as well as "the next little dollar." I do think that Morrison did well in capturing the leering, predatory nature of the song.... I also wanted to add that I hear a clear a cabaret & Weill influence in much of the Doors' music. That's part of why I love it so much. (Oh, and that dreamy Val Kilmer....) Eleanor also mentions: >often he is over the top when it is not needed, hammering you to death >with a point. sometimes it is effective, sort of like minimalest modern >composers, such as john smith, or phillp glass, Who is "John Smith?" Do you mean John Adams, or am I missing someone? I'm curious! - --Quail (Always hungry for more epics that repeat over and over and over again...) - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "i'm not a critic, though i play one on the internet." -- doug mayo-wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:05:36 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Rushing to Cindy's defense I just have a few responses to the general inter-release tween-concert mayhem.... 1. Rush is not necessarily a right leaning band, just because they were influenced by Ayn Rand. In fact, I think a very important part of the Rush ethos is the defense of nonconformity and the overthrow of repressive systems of power. I know I am going to sound like a total Rush weenie here, but their ethic did in fact evolve considerably over their career. They may have started from a position influenced by Ayn Rand and science fiction-based utopianism (um, let's call it "Techno-Weenie Libertarianism"), but I think they finally ended up espousing a position of romantic humanism. You may love them or hate them, but you have to admit that they are not very fit for simple labels such as right-wing or left-wing.... (By the way, I could have gone on for pages about this, so be glad I restrained myself to one paragraph.) (Be glad. Be very glad.) 2. Did someone call Cindy Crawford "anorexic???" Just because she is a stunningly beautiful supermodel doesn't mean she is anorexic. Now, I am not all that wild about supermodels, primarily because they all look alike to me. But Cindy, my dear Cindy, is different -- I think she is terribly distinctive. Tall, statuesque, square-faced, with amazing eyebrows.... I mean, she's no Kate Moss! 3. Because the gentlemen of the List seem to be revealing celebrities they find particularly attractive, let me list a few of mine, roughly in the order I would present them to, say, a Genie granting me wishes for a romantic evening: Julianne Moore, Jeri Ryan (Um . . . preferably in her Borg suit. Can I say that? Or is that just too weird?), Salma Hayek, Ute Lemper, Tori Amos, Joan Jeanrenaud (ex-cellist for Kronos Quartet), Bjork, Eliza Drushka (Faith on "Buffy" and "Angel"), D'Arcy (ex-bassist for the Smashing Pumpkins), Cindy Crawford, David Bowie (circa Labyrinth), Sherilyn Fenn, Angelina Jolie, Courtney Love, Heather Graham, Meg Foster (that actress from the eighties with the stunning blue eyes). Oh, and a young Grace Slick. Ah, Grace Slick.... - --Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) http://www.w-rabbit.com/gerbilstuff/gerbilbabies15a.html "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." --Vice President Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:41:12 GMT From: "James Hadfield" Subject: Re: Stone the quails >I have never seen an Oliver Stone film which didn't leave me feeling raped, >at the end. Even the two or three which I marginally enjoyed. It's as >simple as that. And I'm not alone in that view. I kinda thought Born on the Fourth of July and NBKillers had some redeeming moments... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #204 *******************************