From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #203 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 22 2000 Volume 09 : Number 203 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: american women [Tom Clark ] Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Women? Holy Cows! ["John B" ] Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam [Glen Uber ] Stars are stars wars [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Stars are stars wars ["J. Brown" ] rush ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] 99% alicia witt; 1% rebecca [hbrandt ] Re: rush [Jon Fetter ] Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam [Glen Uber ] Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam [Eclipse ] P.S. I am leaving you my collection of moths [ultraconformist ] Re: P.S. I am leaving you my collection of moths [Capuchin Subject: Re: american women I just wanted to chime in on this subject because I have some relevent news: I have been stuck in the middle of midtown Manhattan since Tuesday and there is a young models convention occuring at the Hilton across the street. I love this town. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam - --- elizabeth wrote: > split ends like mine. :-) But I don't see why, say, Queen Latifah being > an attractive woman means that Ashley Judd has to be a hideous anorexic > freak. Very, very few people would classify Ashley Judd as a hideous anorexic freak. Least of all me, and I do also think Queen Latifah is an attractive woman. Angelina Jolie stands more chance of being considered Too Thin, but I think the amount of prejudice she receives and the number of movie roles she will never get are minuscule. I think the only woman in the entertainment industry these days who is being truly attacked for her thinness would be Calista Flockhart, and there are other reasons for the hostility there. I guess you'll just have to understand that what's being attacked is a standard of size that you, through no unusual effort of your own, come by naturally. Unless you are a terrifying space-alien runway model you are probably not thin enough to be classified a "hideous anorexic freak." Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:32:11 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Women? Holy Cows! someone wrote> > > as a "curvy" (and yes, that's another way of saying i'm not a size > > 6) woman, i say AMEN to the above. i'm so fucking sick of the > > stereotype > > of beautiful women pushed on men and women by E! and Glamour and > > whatnot. give me Kate Winslet or Janeane Garafalo any day. Anjelina > > Jolie, Ashley Judd, and Cindy Crawford can take their anorexic > > "beauty" and stick it where the sun don't shine. yep, absolutely. Put 2, maybe 3 Ally McBeals together and there you got a good woman ; ) > Just because a woman is a brunette she is not automatically an > "unconventional beauty." I prefer the brunettes like Ricci, Halle Berry (now there's a knockout), and the timeless wonder, Sophia Loren. I like em with some meat on em. Also being somewhat darker skinned, I prefer the brunnettes. Some kind of social conditioning maybe? Strange, I always like the *bigger* girls, but then I end up with a petite young woman like Debora. > P.S. Janeane Garofalo is not a "woman of size." I don't even > think Margaret Cho is, although she still thinks so. Cho has a big face. It takes away from any weight she could possibly lose. Janeane has a big ass (yummy) and a killer persona. Not too many Native girls I can think of, outside of my mom, that are somewhat beautiful. Cher? bleh, too much sculpting. Suzy Strong from "Smoke Signals" is beautiful, but once again, too skinny ; ) There we go with looks again. Talent, I'd stick with Juliette Lewis. Too skinny of course, but her talent is undeniable. Vince, "you goooo capooch" the Vincester ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 2000 16:51:45 -0700 From: "John B" Subject: Re: Women? Holy Cows! > >There we go with looks again. Talent, I'd stick with Juliette Lewis. Too >skinny of course, but her talent is undeniable. > >Vince, "you goooo capooch" the Vincester Man, Vince, if you're going with Juliette as your talent choice, my only choice is to turn over the Lili Taylor card. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:35:07 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam On 7/21/00 3:00 PM, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Glen, you claim not to like the Hollywood standard of beauty and yet > you're ga-ga over Rebecca Romijn-Stamos? Actually, that wasn't me. It might have been /hal. I don't care too much for Richard Stamos' sister-in-law, though I do agree with him about Alicia Witt who first caught my eye as Madonna's lover with the electrical tape over her nipples in "Four Rooms". It's that redhead thing, I guess. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Porn will get you through times with no people better than people will get you through times with no porn." --apologies to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:39:14 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Stars are stars wars In a message dated 7/21/00 3:49:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << Yes, I prefer Kate Winslet, Janeane Garofalo, and Christina Ricci to Cindy Crawford, Angelina Jolie, and Julia Roberts, but hello! All six of those women are models or movie stars or both! >> Thank you Drew!! Anyone who says they prefer Ricci to the "typical" hollywood fare should do a little test. Look at her 3 years ago, and look at her now. She's done the SAME DAMNED THING that the other successful A List actors have done. She has gone through a complete makeover and shed the dumb goth-chick crap. She has lost weight. She is totally glamorous now. And you know what? She is a little biscuit and I'd put her right up there with Ashley Judd. Good for Ricci for making herself look as good as she can. And please, Kate Winslet is totally beautiful. Knockout beautiful. She is unconventional and she happens to be in the highest grossing picture of all time. Titanic would have sucked if Begosian's ugly mug had been the lead. And here I go again defending DiCaprio. He is a very capable actor, and that is why he has worked with some of the film community's finest. If you think he is bad, then check out Gilbert Grape. Generally, bad actors don't get nominated for academy awards. Blame his crappy acting in Titanic on a director who wasn't concentrating on the acting. By the way, if you were to make a complete list of all the supposed "unconventional" women that others say they prefer, they're all hotties (except Roseanne who prides herself on being a low class slob & Madonna who is just disgusting and who uses all the tricks of Hollywood to make herself over all the time)! They are all beautiful. So what is the point really? Moore was in Jurrassic Park 2, Lopez was in Out Of Sight, Zellwhatthehellsherwigger was in Irene. Unconventional women still get cast in summer blockbusters. And they still get their mugs on the cover of Entertainment Weekly, just not as often as the bigger draw actors. And finally, kudos to the man who used the word "fugly" I often use the word Shasty. Try it in a sentence. Like this: "Talk Radio was a very shasty film. The lead actor was totally shasty and I couldn't stand to look at him for long periods of time." Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Stars are stars wars On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > And please, Kate Winslet is totally beautiful. Knockout beautiful. She is > unconventional and she happens to be in the highest grossing picture of all > time. Titanic would have sucked if Begosian's ugly mug had been the lead. Yeah but but Titanic wasn't about a manic jewish talk radio host, it was about an adorable bot and an adorable girl. Begosian was well cast in Talk Radio and DiCaprio was well cast in Titanic. > By the way, if you were to make a complete list of all the supposed > "unconventional" women that others say they prefer, they're all hotties > (except Roseanne who prides herself on being a low class slob & Madonna who > is just disgusting and who uses all the tricks of Hollywood to make herself > over all the time)! They are all beautiful. So what is the point really? > Moore was in Jurrassic Park 2, Lopez was in Out Of Sight, > Zellwhatthehellsherwigger was in Irene. Unconventional women still get cast non of these women are in anyway unconventially beautiful if you ask me. They have a few quirks like hyper pale skin, a non tiny ass, and a squinty face. but are still conventially beuatiful just not quite as cookie cutter. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:25:10 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: rush A list filled with Rush nay-sayers!!!??? On the contrary it seems to be crawling with apologists for one of my least favourite bands of all time. There you go... The right-wingers on this list seem to playing the 'Poor little us' card a lot recently.... Silly me, I forgot that Rush are an intrinsically right-wing band... :-) jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam - --- Glen Uber wrote: > On 7/21/00 3:00 PM, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > Glen, you claim not to like the Hollywood standard of beauty and yet > > you're ga-ga over Rebecca Romijn-Stamos? > > Actually, that wasn't me. It might have been /hal. I apologize if I fucked that up. I hope my point still stands, though. > I don't care too much > for > Richard Stamos' sister-in-law, though I do agree with him about Alicia > Witt > who first caught my eye as Madonna's lover with the electrical tape over > her > nipples in "Four Rooms". It's that redhead thing, I guess. It's that gorgeous woman thing, which I have to agree Witt has big-time. However, I was unable to look at anyone else in that part of _Four Rooms_ for the entire time that Ione Skye was onscreen. She was transcendent. Not, I might add, an unconventional beauty in any way that I can see save that she would look funny with an exoskeleton whereas someone like Cindy Crawford would not. I can't remember when I last saw an attractive "woman of size" on mainstream TV. Camryn Manheim seems quite cute, though I've never watched her show, but that's about it. In order to be what I truly hate to call a "BBW" on television it seems you have to appear on the WB or BET and be African-American. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:49:26 -0400 From: jill@naxs.com (Jill Sunderlin) Subject: Re: comix, Neil Gaiman and Jonathan Carroll >Right! (although Neil has left the comics world behind, sadly.) > I don't have the impression that Neil has totally left the comic world forever) -- he's just got some other projects he's persuing now. The current one seems like an odd mix -- he's currently "pitching" a project (or whatever it's called, something like that) to Miracle for a proposed movie based on Jonathan Carroll's book "The Land of Laughs." Jonathan Carroll and Neil are not a match I would have imagined at any point. jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:50:32 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam I generally agree with Elizabeth on the matter of body type. Not everybody who is skinny is sneaking out to the vomitorium six times a day any more than big beatiful women are all freebasing candied porkfat. Characterizations made by those who don't know are probably usually wrong. I never liked people obsessing about my lack of weight any more than I would like them to suggest that my shape is "toasterish" or "refrigerator-like" now. I liked it when Callista Flockhart said that the people calling her bulemic could "kiss my skinny white ass." An annoying trait of people is that they, without knowing or finding anything out for sure, will assume the absolute worst about others instead of checking it out or giving that person the benefit of doubt. I feel very un-PC about finding Famke Janssen, Elizabeth Hurley, and Hudson Leik (sp?) insanely attractive. I'll get over it. What they have in common is more than the ability to crack an egg on any part of their bodies, which I think is cool. But they also have expressive faces and comedic timing and delivery. Unfortunately, they never seem to get good enough roles. Nevertheless, there are different kinds of beauty everywhere. Ogling is a poor substitution for a great conversation. Cats are more fun to hang out with than supermodels, or the great majority of humans for that matter. Supermodels are more fun to hang out with than repairing sewage problems. I hope this helps y'all, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Schlock Radio BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > Once sitting in a cinema class at USC, an instructor commented on how > Talk Radio was doomed to fail. You film a guy as ugly as the lead > and stick him in close up, and the crowds are bound to stay away. > > Wayyyyyyyy crappy casting man. That guy is NOT a lead. Another > bonehead move frome a bonehead director. funny, bogosian[sp?], ugly though he may be, was the main reason i liked Talk Radio, in spite of Stone's overdirection. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:05:15 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: 99% alicia witt; 1% rebecca Andrew wrote: > > Glen, you claim not to like the Hollywood standard of beauty and yet > > you're ga-ga over Rebecca Romijn-Stamos? Glen wrote: > Actually, that wasn't me. It might have been /hal. A momentary lapse. I just saw the X-Men and she's been making the rounds. Her attitude is what I like most, but I'm really not into the 'leggy super-model-type'. > I don't care too much for > Richard Stamos' sister-in-law, though I do agree with him about Alicia Witt. It's that redhead thing, I guess. Andrew answered: > It's that gorgeous woman thing, which I have to agree Witt has big-time. Amen. Check here for proof: http://www.stuff-mag.com/babes/alicia/index.asp http://www.stuff-mag.com/babes/alicia/2.asp http://www.stuff-mag.com/babes/alicia/3.asp http://www.stuff-mag.com/babes/alicia/4.asp http://www.stuff-mag.com/babes/alicia/5.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:54:47 -0400 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: rush I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Rush is right!" It was probably about the other Rush, but I appreciated the vagueness. Jon Guilt >Silly me, I forgot that Rush are an intrinsically right-wing band... :-) > >jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:31:37 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam On 7/21/00 6:32 PM, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > It's that gorgeous woman thing, which I have to agree Witt has big-time. > However, I was unable to look at anyone else in that part of _Four Rooms_ > for the entire time that Ione Skye was onscreen. She was transcendent. > Not, I might add, an unconventional beauty in any way that I can see > save that she would look funny with an exoskeleton whereas someone like > Cindy Crawford would not. Mmmm....Ione Skye.... 8^P What a babe! Oddly enough, I haven't liked most of her movies. I think _Four Rooms_ and _The Rachel Papers_ might be the extent of it. I don't know if anyone heard her on Howard Stern early last year, but I gotta tell ya: she is neither shy nor discrete. I found myself having an increasingly difficult time concentrating on my commute as she kept on about her sexual experiences, exploits and fantasies. Cheers! - -g- "Kids are the best! You can teach them to hate the same things you hate. And these days they pretty much raise themselves, what with the Internet and all." --Homer Simpson +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam - --- Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > I > liked > it when Callista Flockhart said that the people calling her bulemic > could > "kiss my skinny white ass." Ugh. I agree that it's silly to be handing around diagnoses of eating disorders right and left. But even if bacon double cheeseburgers just pass through Flockhart's metabolism like styrofoam cups hurled into the sun (yeah, right), the real issue is not how she got that way (diet, exercise, puking, starving) but that her body type is considered ideal. I suspect the only reason she gets the "too skinny; must be sick" attacks and Gwyneth Paltrow, say, does not is that Gwyneth doesn't play one of the most irritating characters on television. > I feel very un-PC about finding Famke Janssen, Elizabeth Hurley, and > Hudson > Leik (sp?) insanely attractive. I'll get over it. What they have in > common is > more than the ability to crack an egg on any part of their bodies, which > I > think is cool. But they also have expressive faces and comedic timing > and > delivery. Unfortunately, they never seem to get good enough roles. One of the previews before X-Men last night (which I would agree could have been much worse but which was still a lot dumber than I'd expected -- just how, for example, did they keep Magneto in custody during the years it took them to build his "plastic prison"?) was for _Bedazzled_, a forthcoming deal with the devil movie starring Brendan Fraser (whom I really like but who is willing to appear in _anything_, it seems) and Elizabeth Hurley. I was astounded by how ridiculous she looked and sounded trying to pull off some measure of presence and humor as the devil...and that was just the preview! Janssen is slightly better but not by much. I don't think they deserve better roles. I find plenty of "conventionally beautiful" women beautiful, many thin women among them. I don't think it's necessary to slap "PC" or "un-PC" on this sort of thing. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam > > as a "curvy" (and yes, that's another way of saying i'm not a size > > 6) woman, i say AMEN to the above. i'm so fucking sick of the > > stereotype > > of beautiful women pushed on men and women by E! and Glamour and > > whatnot. give me Kate Winslet or Janeane Garafalo any day. Anjelina > > Jolie, Ashley Judd, and Cindy Crawford can take their anorexic > > "beauty" and stick it where the sun don't shine. > > Okay, so I find this really odd. Both of you are slamming the popular > culture idea of beauty and naming your alternatives. But let's face it, > you're still talking about very attractive movie stars who fit a certain > body type pretty well. Yes, I prefer Kate Winslet, Janeane Garofalo, > and Christina Ricci to Cindy Crawford, Angelina Jolie, and Julia Roberts, > but hello! All six of those women are models or movie stars or both! > Janeane Garofalo is frequently cited as the antithesis of the knockout > blonde perfect 10 movie star, and I adore her too but she is not THAT > different. She is the token "girl next door" just as Jennifer Lopez, > whose supposedly bountiful "ethnic" posterior is not all that different > from any other Hot Chick Celebrity's (tm), is Hollywood's token Latina. > If that's as Latina as Hollywood can get, we are a truly pathetic nation. i guess my point was more that these women are not bags o' bones like so many other women considered beautiful by the standards of E! and the like - whether or not they're movie stars is beside the point. they're famous, and yes, they're not "women of size" - but that's not the point. the point is that they are alternatives to the popular culture idea of beauty. not every women has be be a starved size 4 to be beautiful - that's all i was trying to say, and trying to illustrate with alternative examples. other beautiful women of size might include Margaret Cho (recently featured by Mode), Caroline Rhea, and Cybill Shepherd (actually, all recently featured by Mode). no, they're not all a size 18+, but they're not all size 6, either. beauty comes in all kinds of containers. :) trying not to be preachy, - - Eclipse np: RH, Jewels for Sophia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Kick out the style; bring back the jam > I'm not going to say anything on this subject after this, because people always get mad at me when I do, but... you do realize there are those of us who simply come in that size? There are three basic body types, with any number of variations, and I stand no more chance of looking like Marilyn Monroe than your average "curvy" woman does of looking like Kate Moss. I'm 5'8" and never got *up* to a size 6 until my mid-30s (full disclosure: I have never had an eating disorder [unless eating huge quantities of potato chips daily counts]; I've never exercised much at all, let alone obsessively; I've never done cocaine, heroin, or Dexatrim). ok, i promise i won't say anything more about this subject either, but i wanted to respond to this and apologize. as someone who has never been and never will be a size 6, i tend to get a little bit defensive of people who hold up the hollywood stereotype as the paragon of beauty. i certainly didn't intend to offend or rail against anyone who is naturally a size 6 - as i've said before, beauty comes in all kinds of containers. i'm more upset about the notion that ONLY thin is beautiful - which is what hollywood has been putting in front of us for years, and is just plain wrong. what i should say is that a size 6 is ALSO beautiful, along with a size 12, 18, or 22. i mostly dislike the idea of holding someone up as a star BECAUSE they're a size 00 and not necessarily because they have any real talent (Callista Flockheart, ahem). apologies to anyone i have offended - i don't mean to be a size nazi on the other end of the scale. :) humbly, - - Eclipse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:49:54 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: P.S. I am leaving you my collection of moths >them to build his "plastic prison"?) was for _Bedazzled_, a forthcoming > deal with the devil movie starring Brendan Fraser (whom I really >like >but whois willing to appear in _anything_, it seems) and Elizabeth >Hurley. I >was astounded by how ridiculous she looked and sounded trying >to pull off some Um, Drew, you don't seem to be familiar with it, but the original "Bedazzled", which stars Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, with a brilliant screenplay by Cook (which I assume they have "improved" for this film) is one of the funniest movies ever made. Actually in my opinion it is quite possibly one of the funniest I have ever seen. I've seen it maybe 5 times. Each time I fear that I may literally bust a gut and have to go to the ER. I'm very excited for the remake. Not because I want to see it. Actually it looks awful. But maybe now I'll be able to purchase the original (out-of-print for lo these many years, and -never- on TV) as something other than a well-used video store copy!!!! Whoopppeeee YAYYYYYYYY! Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:43:22 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: Stars are stars wars > > Moore was in Jurrassic Park 2, Lopez was in Out Of Sight, > > Zellwhatthehellsherwigger was in Irene. > > non of these women are in anyway unconventially beautiful if you ask > me. They have a few quirks like hyper pale skin, a non tiny ass, and a > squinty face. but are still conventially beuatiful just not quite as > cookie cutter. Just to note (not that it really matters to anyone), but I didn't suggest Moore because she's unconventional. Someone simply asked who the beautiful American women are. She is the paragon. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled "Talk Radio" debate. :) Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com "Freedom is the most demanding of all responsibilities. It is something constantly to be worked at if it is to be understood, maintained, and developed. Freedom is not so much the liberty to do what one likes, as the right to be able to do what one ought". - Ashley Montagu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:24:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: P.S. I am leaving you my collection of moths On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, ultraconformist wrote: > Um, Drew, you don't seem to be familiar with it, but the original > "Bedazzled", which stars Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, with a brilliant > screenplay by Cook (which I assume they have "improved" for this film) is > one of the funniest movies ever made. Second that vote. Bedazzled is brilliant and fantastic. > I'm very excited for the remake. Not because I want to see it. Actually it > looks awful. But maybe now I'll be able to purchase the original > (out-of-print for lo these many years, and -never- on TV) as something > other than a well-used video store copy!!!! Whoopppeeee YAYYYYYYYY! I'm terrified by the remake because it'll mean the original will be mired by comparisons and people will mistake it for an original work, etc. Feh and bah. As for NEVER being on TV, I first saw Bedazzled just a few years ago when it was on the cable movie channel Starz!. They played it about every six hours for a straight week. I watched it about every other time. OK. That's that. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #203 *******************************