From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #198 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 19 2000 Volume 09 : Number 198 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Epics...give me EPICS, goddamn it!! [Christopher Gross ] Re: the Limey [Kate Kwiatkowski ] this repetition's filled with recompense [Natalie Jacobs ] St Petersburg/I often dream of trains (Robyn content 0%) [digja611@studen] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #196 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: Pigpen, Keith, Brent but not Glen [Glen Uber ] Re: Anti-British movies [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #197 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] PS [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: PS ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] at the movies [nyquilthotep ] Re: Soft Boys (big news!) [nyquilthotep ] Re: Stone the quails ["Randy R." ] auditorium update [nyquilthotep ] Re: at the movies ["J. Brown" ] Re: at the movies [steve ] Re: Stoned [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Kimberly Rew show info? [Rob Gronotte ] Re: I wish I liked it [" Brian Hoare" ] Re: Rock mega-news ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Reap: and now, we're talking about... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Iggy Stuff (0%RH) ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: Re: Epics...give me EPICS, goddamn it!! On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Eb wrote: > Go on, Quail, name 20 artists (film, literature, music, etc.) you like who > are focused on "intimacy" rather than being BIGBIGBIG. ;) Well, the Quail can defend himself, and I'm sure he will. But while you're waiting for that, you might want to check out his James Joyce website.... - --Chris, basher of quails, defender of quails ps: C'mon, Al, you can come up with 18 more, right? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:10:52 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: Epics...give me EPICS, goddamn it!! > > Eb, who, if ordered to exterminate one film director on Earth, would > > probably opt for Oliver Stone (well, maybe Adrian Lyne...) > > Adrian Lyne?! > > his remake of Lolita is just stuning, imo. and Jacob's Ladder - that > movie blew me away (not to mention i'm in love with Tim Robbins, but)! > > c'mon, we can all agree, i'm sure.. how about Jerry Bruckheimer, or Howard > Longo? Without question or hesitation, Renny Harlin (The Long Kiss Goodnight, Cutthroat Island, Cliffhanger, The Adventures of Ford Fairlane, etc.) Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org Currently Reading: "The God Who Risks" by John Sanders "Freedom is the most demanding of all responsibilities. It is something constantly to be worked at if it is to be understood, maintained, and developed. Freedom is not so much the liberty to do what one likes, as the right to be able to do what one ought". - Ashley Montagu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:26:55 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: Hear Music >At 05:04 PM 7/18/00 -0400, tim fuller but not yet randi spiegel wrote: > >>The Hear Music 'chain' in the U.S. - as of Nov. 98 or so - was only >>about three or four stores. Three in California, one in Chicago. I was about to say......WHATTHEFUCK? I've never heard of this store until the recent thread. Where is it? I look in the phone book and see it's on Rush Street. That would explain why I've never heard of it. Also why I'll never be shopping there. There are enough places to buy music without having to make a trip to such a disreputable section of town :). No fan of fratboy bars, big-spending tourists and Planet Hollywood et al is Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Kate Kwiatkowski Subject: Re: the Limey There was a bit on NPR regarding the movie The Patriot. The brutal Brit was based loosely on a real guy who was noted for cruelty but he never burned an entire village alive in their church. But he apparently did do other nasties. I was dragged to see it over the 4th with my family...and I viewed it as another Mel Gibson vehicle..Braveheart in the Revolution. Kate ===== "Savor the moment right now. You can't have a better tomorrow if you are thinking about yesterday all day today." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:41:11 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: this repetition's filled with recompense > What, you can't hear The Minders' songs performed live whenever > you darn well want to? I darn well wanted to hear the Minders' songs performed live the other night, but they weren't performing that night, so I went over to the pizza place where Martyn Leaper works and demanded that he perform a song for me. He crammed pizza dough up my nose. I started crying and he laughed at me in his mocking evil British way. n., off to practice with her Captain Beefheart tribute band, Neon Meate Dream of a Octafish ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: clair de lune sous-marin: marquantes nouvelles > >Underwater Moonlight > >to be reissued on Editions PAF! early 2001 to coincide with this. > > Jeez...a shame that an album so great would be relegated to a > no-distribution, DIY label. Though if EPAF is officially categorized as an > "import" label, maybe a US imprint could still pick it up? Have no fear my Ebbish friend. Big distribution deals are being sought for UM, and will no doubt be found. The album is supposedly, but not entirely definitely, being featured in a book that Mojo Magazine are publishing later this year which brings together their idea of the top 1000 albums ever - (they're not being ranked but arranged chronologically - which makes a change from Revolver or Pet Sounds at No. 1 again...). =b "hysterically accurate" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:04:03 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Stoned In a message dated 7/18/00 4:29:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << He is in the business of documenting/creating modern American folklore, not shooting documentaries, and I think that is a lot more interesting >> I agree that this is far more entertaining, and makes for a more enjoyable movie going experience, but I TOTALLY disagree that the Doors wan't presented as more of a factual retelling of the man's life. By the way, I think Stone is pretty horrible, unless you're talking about JFK then all my arguments go out the window cause it was such an incredible film (I'll never forget how the audience gasped at the footage of the bullet in the head-stuff we've all seen a million times, but he paced it masterfully) That said, I HATE his crappy other films. How would we all feel if Demme's film had been called "Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians" and there was actor in a scene where Robyn lights the house on fire with his poor girlfriend locked in a closet. Now don't jump on me cause I've blocked out the horrible details, but if an incident like that never happened, it turns my stomach to have it turn up in a film where there are people still alive who say that Jim was not like that. What next? A film about Clinton where he has sex with a cow? Why not? We already know he's not a faithful husband. Let's spice up the film version with a little beastiality. Hey, who cares if it didn't happen, we have a story to tell here! That is the Stone philosophy. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Epics...give me EPICS, goddamn it!! - --- Eclipse wrote: > c'mon, we can all agree, i'm sure.. how about Jerry Bruckheimer, or > Howard > Longo? surely they deserve this most dubious of honors.. Joel Schumacher? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:53:19 -0400 From: tim fuller but not yet randi spiegel Subject: Pigpen, Keith, Brent but not Glen Glen Uber wrote: > I've been in two cover/tribute bands in my life The > second was a Grateful Dead tribute band called "Babblefish" for which I was > the keyboardist (which might explain my short stint with the band) A short stint in this case was probably a good thing. Grateful Dead keyboardists don't have a good track record for staying alive. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:04:38 -0700 From: "Crazy Unca' Nick" Subject: Robyn ...Hood? And now, a message from the greenwood, somewhere in sunny(!) England... Firstly, public thanks to the Reichsteins for making sure Randi was OK when we couldn't get through to her. Be sure to all send her lots of personal email and if you're in the Bay Area arrange to stop by and say hi. My main report, however, is that I'll have another Fegfoto to add to the site when I get back... I took the kids to see jbmc's production of Robin Hood in Wimbledon last Saturday. What a fabulous show! Perfectly targeted to kids and a lot of fun for us adults, too. Believe me - this is one talented guy - he plays a whole range of characters in the show, including a very vigorous Friar Tuck and a delightfully slimy Guy de Gisbourne. We were treated to comedy, action, some brilliantly choreographed fight scenes ...and (a key attribute of any kids show according to my dad, a retired teacher) brevity!. To cap it off, thanks to the secret Feg handshake, the kids were treated to a backstage tour after the performance (during which Joe and I posed for Fegfotos with various plastic vegetables purloined from the set). Can you imagine the thrill of a 5 year-old Robin Hood fan (yes, we *will* be visiting Sherwood Forest on this trip!), who gets to shoot an arrow from Robin Hood's own bow? Awesome. Highly recommended if you're anywhere near the London area! Thanks j. ~N (on the road visiting with the crazy nieces and nephews) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:11:40 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: St Petersburg/I often dream of trains (Robyn content 0%) Zloduska skazal: >I've recently acquired a bizarre penchant for finding sinister retro-style >old-school communist propaganda of former Eastern European Soviet-bloc >countries (a very interesting sub-genre of Art, I must say) if you're interested in that kind of art, it's also worth checking out some of the mural art painted in the US during the 30s. Much of that was inspired by the same sources (and many of the artists were a bit redder than the authorities would have liked...) Mike added, on the same subject: >Well, the LMS Pacific 'Duchess of Buccleuch' spelt it with three Cs (four >if you count the one in 'Duchess'). > >I guess that this is one of those 'Loch' / 'Lough'-type alternatives. likely - either that or I misspelt the street (and I don't have a map handy...)> I was always more of an LNER A4 Pacific fan myself, anyway. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:13:36 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #196 >WOMBLES ON PARADE: Composer Mike Batt has been asked to assemble a >Wombles guard of honour for the Queen Mother's 100th birthday >celebrations. >http://ananova.com/go/34136 > >As long as they play 'Remember you're a womble', I don't really care >whether they include 'Wombling Merry Christmas' or 'The Wombling Song'. They've got to include "The Womble Burrow Boogie, too! Anyone klnow if the Wombles stuff ever came out on CD? (seriously!) James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:16:50 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Pigpen, Keith, Brent but not Glen On 18.07.2000 17:53, tim fuller but not yet randi spiegel wrote: > Subject: Re: Pigpen, Keith, Brent but not Glen You forgot Tom (Constantine) who was a keyboardist for a short time in the late 60s. Also, you may recall that Bruce Hornsby was a sorta-official member after Brent Mydland took the Speedball Express to the great soundcheck in the sky. Vince Welnick (with whom my brother is currently playing while Missing Man Formation is on hiatus) later became Mydland's official replacement. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Half the world's starving and half the world bloats, half the world sits on the other and gloats." - --Robyn Hitchcock +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:25:50 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: Anti-British movies >>PS A lot of angry stuff in the UK papers last w/e concerning the >>anti-British tone of the new Mel Gibson film. And the last blockbuster anti British film starred... Mel Gibson! I'm not sure how much of an input he had to the scripts/direction of the movie, but remember he started his career in the Australian film industry, where a large number of movies are strongly anti-British. 'Breaker Morant', anyone? 'Gallipoli'? There is a small but significant and vocal portion of Australians that hate the British. I think that blaming the US film industry is possibly not targeting the right place. They have shown that it is possible to handle ant-British subject matter (eg Michael Collins) without resorting to the extremes that have occurred in Braveheart and this latest movie. As for the submarine movie, well... it wasn't so much anti-British as trying to get the film to a big audience.Less people would have gone to the movie if the heroes had been Brits. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:44:20 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #197 >* Elvis Costello: "This Year's Model" It's worth noting that foir a while during the 80s, Dunedin had three bands with EC name-check names. One of them, Sneaky Feelings, went on to do fairly big things. The other two were an originals band called Bone Orchard and a covers band called Mystery Dance. Fou your useless information, James PS -With reference to recent digests, I take it, then, that the first two lines of the Canadian national anthem are not: "Oh Canada, you have so many moose/your national bird, it is a piebald goose" James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:45:26 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: PS >* They Might Be Giants: "They Are Not Giants After All" Particle Man would be a great covers band name for them James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: PS - --- digja611@student.otago.ac.nz wrote: > >* They Might Be Giants: "They Are Not Giants After All" > > Particle Man would be a great covers band name for them Particle *Men*. Especially if it's an all-female band. Lots of good names spring to mind, actually: * The Chess Piece Faces * The Rabid Children * We'll Need a Crane * Your Racist Friends [might be a tough one to live with] * The Sapphire Bullets * The Evil Twins * The Constellations [then you can say you're going to "See..."] * The Exquisite Dead Guys and, most cryptically * XTC vs. Adam Ant [!!!] Actually several of these would even work well for a non-covers band. They Might Be Standing On the Shoulders of Giants, on the other hand, might make it tough to design the poster. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:05:58 -0400 From: nyquilthotep Subject: at the movies when we last left our heroes, The Great Quail exclaimed: >--The Great "Next thing you'll tell me is that 'Gladiator' wasn't >accurate" Quail well, no...but some of it is. commodus was marcus aurelius' son and a nero-like emperor. following his assasination, a soldier named septimius severus won the resultant power struggle and had a lengthy (for that time, anyway) reign during he lead several successful military campaigns and peopled the leading government and military ranks with non-nobles. of course, severus is not the reluctant ruler than maximus is presented to be. none the less, there is more than a germ of the story in history. when we last left our heroes, The Kielbasa Kid exclaimed: >my thoughts on The Perfect Storm are very much along the same lines as mr. >woj's. however, i feel he neglected to mention the movie's greatest >failing: i can't think of another movie where the score almost completely >ruins what would otherwise have been a very good picture. oh yes...i remember the cringing in fear now. thanks a lot eddie -- i thought i had blotted those thoughts from my memory. anyone else like x-men as much as i did? i never really followed the comic book or tv series, but i was familiar enough with the mythos to make total sense of the movie. i don't think the movie would be that hard to follow for non-fen, but ebert and several other reviewers seem to feel that way. whatever. i liked it. wheee! woj n.p. jenhitt -- in the cold light of winter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:21:06 -0400 From: nyquilthotep Subject: Re: Soft Boys (big news!) when we last left our heroes, Eb exclaimed: >Random hype: Just heard/interviewed a new artist named Amy Correia. that name sounds *really* familiar, but i don't know why. her name has never popped up on ecto (except for a los angeles concert listing at largo last year) and i'm pretty sure it wasn't because of a recent sonicnet article about the girls' room tour either. >The music? Imagine Rickie Lee Jones singing Victoria >Williams songs, with a bit of Mary Hopkin and just a teensy speck of Sheryl >Crow. Yeah, yeah...I know. But really, you don't have to be an Ectowuss to >like her. ;) heh. frankly, that mixture doesn't sound all that appealing to me. now, if it were victoria williams sings rickie lee jones songs, my ears would be much more piqued. >She's currently touring as part of that somewhat distasteful >"Girls Room" package (sponsored by *Stayfree*) with three other capital-F >Female artists, but try not to let this scare you off. She's the real deal. i've never (thankfully, apparently, given elizabeth's comments) heard of kendall payne nor, i think, shannon mcnally. tara mclean neatly fills the sucking chest wound that sarah mcglockenspiel left in the ecto firmament. most folks would argue too well, but i rather like the sleek production of her two albums. the first two-thirds of this year's _passenger_ is actually quite stunning, especially since she has pulled away from wanting to emulate sarah mclachlan to a tee. i would have considered the nyc stop of this tour (at the bowery ballroom on the 28th), but there are better things to do on my birthday and first day of unemployment -- susan mckeown is at prospect park during the celebrate brooklyn festival thingie and very pleasant neighbor, the free masons (tim thomas from babe the blue ox and one of them fellers in geezer lake), and ex-feg keith hanlon's orchestraville are at brownie's later that evening. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:43:15 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: Stone the quails From: The Great Quail > I have this argument a lot, so I will be very brief. I think that > Stone's movies do *not* present themselves as historical documents at > all, but as mythological re-tellings; and not just in treatment, > narrative and cinematography and all, but on a deeper level. Stone -- > who I think is a genius -- has the knack for getting at the > mythopoetic truth of his subjects, whether they be figures like Ron > Kovic, Jim Morrison, JFK, Nixon, etc.; or concepts like the Viet Nam > War, the media, serial killers, Wall Street.... He is in the business > of documenting/creating modern American folklore, not shooting > documentaries, and I think that is a lot more interesting. Oliver Stone is also part Injun, which will give you a loco as to where his *storytelling* comes from ; ) "Natural Born Killers" is the best movie ever made, IMO. Not by the acting (though Juliette Lewis certainly was the stand out) but by the editing, the directing, and clever points thrown in. "I Love Mallory" and "American Maniacs". The cruel and injust gets thrown up in the air and who is the antogonist; Micky and Mallory Knox, or the Media? What a great concept. Beautifuly done, from the cartoons to the prison riot. Excellent. Oliver Stone is most defintitely an artist first, filmmaker second. He doesn't do Spielburg's attention to detail type of thing, he just creates a feeling. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:42:03 -0400 From: nyquilthotep Subject: auditorium update minor update at the musuem's auditorium: * several photos from the june tours can be found at: * no indication that the le[ea] valley cruise has sold out (as noted by michael godwin). * more detailed tour dates for kimberley rew and julian dawson than that which were posted by ryan carey (adds several radio appearances). woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: at the movies On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, nyquilthotep wrote: > anyone else like x-men as much as i did? i never really followed the comic > book or tv series, but i was familiar enough with the mythos to make total > sense of the movie. i don't think the movie would be that hard to follow > for non-fen, but ebert and several other reviewers seem to feel that way. > whatever. i liked it. wheee! I liked it a lot too. I'm a big fan of comics but nevewr much care for the later all new, all different x-men stuff (I loved the orignal 5), but this was a solid fun movie that totally plays the superheroics straight and it works. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:35:02 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: at the movies Here's a short one done completely on home computers with off the shelf software: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/skeletons/film_detail/0,1263,204155,00.html - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:20:29 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Stoned In a message dated 7/18/00 5:13:01 PM, BLATZMAN@aol.com writes: << Hey, who cares if it didn't happen, we have a story to tell here! That is the Stone philosophy. >> Used to generally like his films or at least find them interesting and/or entertaining. Then "Any Given Sunday" happened. That is one of the biggest piles of shit I've ever sat 3/4 of the way through. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:50:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: Kimberly Rew show info? KR is playing two shows near me with a woman whose name I can't recall right now. Can anyone tell me what kind of show it will be, songs played, etc? Anyone seen this tour yet? Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:12:11 -0700 From: " Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: I wish I liked it On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:43:45 plpalmer wrote: >Listen to the live version from Largo 2-19-00 and it might change your >mind. > >Peter > If someone could point me at this, I'd give it a go. I've heard the one from the Bottom Line gig and again find myself wishing that it were just not there. Brian - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:05:52 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Rock mega-news Michael R Godwin wrote: > > WOMBLES ON PARADE: Composer Mike Batt has been asked to assemble a > Wombles guard of honour for the Queen Mother's 100th birthday > celebrations. > http://ananova.com/go/34136 ukfegs: when meeting quantities of amerifegs, break into a chorus of The Wombling Song. Freaks 'em out big style. ob-something: One of the former programmers here in Collins is lead programmer on Ananova. He says it's rather boring, so much so he still freelances for us. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:10:11 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Reap: and now, we're talking about... Christopher Gross wrote: > > we should > also remember the Polish officers who brought early data about the Enigma > machine to England as their country was being overrun in 1939.) Reap: Jan Karski ("Witold"), the agent who brought initial details of Enigma and of the concentration camps to the allied forces, just a couple of days ago. > However, since nationalist propaganda annoys me (with > partial exceptions for the Irish and Czechs) So nationalism is wrong, unless it's your kind of nationalism. OIC... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:15:21 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: and now, we're talking about... Bayard wrote: > > at the end of u-571, on-screen text gave the details of two british > missions to aquire the Enigma devices it was reported here that that was added shortly before release to avoid a diplomatic incident. > how was _braveheart_ innacurate By being based on a romanticised victorian book, which took enormous liberties with a very few sketchy facts. Pretty much like the whole celtic movement. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:16:18 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: and now, we're talking about... Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Well, the LMS Pacific 'Duchess of Buccleuch' It is never spelt with a g here. Ever. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: at the movies On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, steve wrote: > Here's a short one done completely on home computers with off the shelf > software: > http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/skeletons/film_detail/0,1263,204155,00.html Yeah? Now if they just bothered to distribute it in a non-proprietary data format. Sheesh. Some people. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:08:45 +0100 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: RE: Iggy Stuff (0%RH) Some people said - > New Values (with a rather obscurely portrayed cover of Iggy amongst > young ballet dancers, thus his 'new values'?) has 'Girls', and 'I'm > Bored' - both of which (as I'm sure you know) are hall of fame material. .. as are '5 foot 1', 'New Values', ... > 'Solider' has 'Dog Food' and - one of my favourite songs in the history > of this world and any other - 'Play It Safe'. .. and 'Loco Mosquito', 'Take Care Of Me', ..... > 'Party' has 'Bang Bang' and 'Pumpin' For Jill' which are also classic > Iggy, though the rest of it is fun but not crucial. Arrggh! 'Party' is definitely the best of the Arista period and there ain't no filler tracks, certainly not on the original anyway! Harumph. > New Values has James Williamson (Stooges) And Scott Thurston (Stooges) and Klaus Kruger (Tangerine Dream???) > Soldier has Glen Matlock (S.P's), Ivan Kral (errr, Patty Smith I > believe) and Barry Andrews (XTC and Shriekback). And Steve New who was in the Rich Kids with Glen Matlock. Simple Minds also did backing vocals with the Bowie twat on 'Play It Safe'. Ivan Kral (Patty Smith indeed) played on 'Party' too. > "Play It Safe" is one of the many brilliant David Bowie/Iggy Pop > collaborations, by the way. Yeuch! Have a nice one y'all! (H) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #198 *******************************