From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #192 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 14 2000 Volume 09 : Number 192 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: kitty comment [Gene Hopstetter ] UberScot [Glen Uber ] Re: UberScot [ultraconformist ] Belated Reep [Glen Uber ] now don't forget... [lj lindhurst ] Re: Scot's all over the world... [Stephen Buckalew ] RE: now don't forget... [lj lindhurst ] RE: brit pop question ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] RE: now don't forget... [GSS ] Re: now don't forget... [Glen Uber ] A few humble offerings... [Mark A Pyskoty ] RE: now don't forget... ["J. Brown" ] Philly Rew Show ["Asa Land" ] Re: kitty comment ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] Re: kitty comment ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Fingerbang-bang ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] Re: I'd like to thank the academy ["Randy R." ] cub koda - RIP ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Calling all Bayards. [Capuchin ] Re: I'd like to thank the academy [overbury@cn.ca] hopelessly off-topic ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #191 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: Soundtracks/unused music [steve ] Re: OFF: High Fidelity [John McIntyre ] Re: OFF: High Fidelity [MARKEEFE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:01:44 -0500 From: Gene Hopstetter Subject: RE: kitty comment > From: Michael R Godwin > > There was a totally horrific programme on langur monkeys in Jodhpur(?) > where a gang of disaffected males hung out in the back streets until they > managed to thrash the alpha male. > Yup, I've seen footage of lion infanticide, too. Mice will eat their own young if threatened -- an effort, evidently, to save "body mass" which can be reused when the mouse is impregnated again. They make sure none of their mouseflesh goes to waste. But what tops the lions' eating their own young is this: I once saw footage of a dominant male chimpanzee beat a female *with her own infant.* He killed the infant and made his dominance known in one fell swoop. Maybe naked mole rats *are* the natural evolution of our species... NP: Biota, "Almost Never" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:42 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: UberScot On 13.07.2000 05:41, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Clan Uber? Wonder if they're a sept of one of the major clans. The Uber is the German name from my dad's side. It's my mom's side that is Scot: Clans Gunn and Hanna (Hannay) to be exact. I'll be wearing the Gunn tartan. > (whose clan is so cheapskate they can't even afford their own tartan.) Apparently, some of my Scottish relatives who later emigrated to Ireland before coming to the US were sheep rustlers. I figures! My family was white trash even back then. Glen "I was just helping that sheep over the fence, sir." the Glenster - -- Cheers! - -g- "Half the world's starving and half the world bloats, half the world sits on the other and gloats." - --Robyn Hitchcock +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:23:36 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: UberScot >Apparently, some of my Scottish relatives who later emigrated to Ireland >before coming to the US were sheep rustlers. Eh, some of mine too! One gets the impression this was a popular line of business back in the day. Just where did all the stolen sheep end up I wonder? It's not as though sheep are easy to hide, being one of your bulkier items. Love on ya, Susan descendent of Gunns and a Glencoe MacDonald who departed for the New World just a few years before the massacre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:20:14 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Belated Reep Cub Koda The following stolen from allmusic.com: Part of rock and roll died on July 1, 2000, when Cub Koda passed away from complications arising from kidney dialysis. Cub was one of the true believers, one of the few whose lives were suddenly, irrevocably changed by rock & roll. Cub never stopped believing and he never stopped spreading the word, whether it was through his own music, as a journalist, or just as a friend. Most people knew Cub as the author and singer of "Smokin' in the Boys Room," but he was the farthest thing from a one-hit wonder. Yes, "Smokin' in the Boys Room" brought him a huge rush of success, but he never let his life be defined by that massive hit. That's not the same thing as disowning it, since he never denied that it was a tremendous thrill to have written and recorded a song everybody knows, a song that made people happy. But, almost from the moment that scaled the charts, he was ready to do something else. He was ready to build upon the music that meant the most to him, the music he loved when he was a teenager, banging out tunes with his high school band, the Del-Tinos. He loved rock & roll and the blues, so much so that he would devote precious space to his favorite songs and idols on his albums when he could have just as easily devoted it to originals. That's why, for me, Cub was rock & roll. No question about it. He cared deeply and passionately about American music and all of its variations, whether it was some weird, Dixie-fried rockabilly single, a greasy Chicago blues side, smooth street-corner doo wop, pining honky tonk, or frenetic rock & roll bashed out by a group of teenagers. He brought all of that together in his own music, and he knew everything about everything recorded before 1965. He wasn't out of touch, but that was the music that fired his passion and it was the music that still excited him. You see, rock & roll never died for Cub; it just went into hiding according to the general public. To him, it was always vibrant and alive, and when you heard him talk or read his work, it was impossible to disagree with him. If reading his reviews was exciting, there was nothing like having Cub play you a record, illustrating all the little details that made the music work. This was not a passive thing, listening to music with Cub. It was an wild, intense, unpredictable experience, as Cub flipped through discs, tapes, and records, finding that song that you HAD to HEAR this VERY moment. Once it started spinning, Cub wouldn't sit back, he'd start playing along -- accurate chords and all -- on an imaginary instrument, locking onto your eyes as he sang and mimed along. He'd point out wrong notes, missed cues, a burst of fury from the drummer, or a blinding lick from the guitarist. He wasn't making fun of the record, he was exhilarated by how alive it sounded, how it breathed and how each little element, from mistakes to perfection, made the music great. It was a breathtaking experience, since it not only was great to watch Cub, but he was either revealing new layers to a song you'd heard dozens of times or playing you something completely, utterly new, something that you couldn't believe you hadn't heard before. And it was all the more intoxicating because at that moment, YOU were the one HE wanted to understand. Cub, bless his heart, wanted everyone to understand. He didn't want anybody to miss the boat, he never believed that music only belonged to the record collectors and true believers. He had the passion and zeal of a missionary, and he was willing to convert anyone that would listen. If you didn't want to hear "Great Balls of Fire" another time, he'd show you why you should, and he'd just as easily present an obscurity in a way that made it essential. He loved this stuff, and he wanted you to love it to. I'm convinced that's one of the main reasons why he started to play music (other than that he just wanted to make glorious noise and meet girls, of course), and that's why he was a DJ and why he began writing about music. He would have been reluctant to admit it, but there were many fans who knew Cub Koda as a writer, not a musician (he was happier to admit that there were listeners who knew him as a solo act, not a former member of Brownsville Station). He always seemed to be a little uneasy with his status as a music journalist, even when he spoke kindly about it, because he wanted to spread the word through his music. But he was so gifted, as a wordsmith and a musician, that criticism came easy to him. He knew what made a good record, and he loved preaching about why a record was good. If he hated something, he stayed away from writing about it, since he knew it was all too easy for eager young musicians to get misdirected in the studio. Instead, he'd rather tell you why "Surfin' Bird" was the greatest piece of American art, or why Jerry Lee was the greatest stylist of his age, than why he hated the pabulum that cluttered the charts. And it was intoxicating, whether it was in conversation or in print. It really was. Of course, in conversation, he wouldn't hesitate to tell you what was wrong with music, in general or in specific. The last conversation I had with Cub, he was explaining how rock & roll was never all that popular, that even back in the heyday of Elvis, Buddy, Chuck, and Jerry Lee there was still a lot of whitewashed pop on the airwaves and charts. Everybody shouldn't get all up in arms about the Britneys and Backstreets of the world, they should just wait it out, since rock & roll always rises again. What an appropriate farewell! This is the way I want to remember him, preaching about the real stuff -- whether it was rock & roll, blues, country, rockabilly, R&B, big-band jazz, doo wop, you name it -- since that was the music that he cherished. He knew that it would always come back into favor, eventually. Thanks to Cub, it always would. Cub may have passed away, but he's not gone. Personally, he'll never be far from my heart, and his ideas and passion about music weren't just one of my main inspirations, they were one of the core foundations of AMG's philosophy. It wasn't that sentences he tossed off the top of his head became office catchphrases (although they certainly did). It was that Cub was always ready to discover music, whether it was new or old, that excited him, and that he wanted to share that music with the world. That could mean blaring it out of your speakers, trading 45s, passing cassette tapes, playing an instrument, writing songs, talking about it, or writing about it. It was all the same. What mattered was getting people to hear the music, to get them excited. Reading Cub was like talking to Cub: fresh, exciting, funny, passionate. He had so much love for music -- and life as well -- that he couldn't hold it back, and he infected everybody he met, whether it was in person or on record or in print, with that spirit. Cub was larger than life. He was warm, generous, smart, funny, and truly wonderful. My life has been richer for knowing him, and just by reading his words or hearing his music, yours has been too. He was irreplaceable. I miss him already. -- Stephen Thomas Erlewine, All Music Guide - -- Cheers! - -g- "The revolution will not be televised but it will have its own web site." - --Glen Uber, 25 April 2000 (apologies to Gil Scott-Heron) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:39:18 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: now don't forget... Gerbil updates daily!! http://www.w-rabbit.com/gerbils.html If it helps to make this seem more on-topic, none of the babies have been eaten so these gerbils are definitely maintaining a vegetarian lifestyle. Hell, wait-- they're VEGANS, in fact! lj - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Well I'd love to stay and chat, but crack don't smoke itself." --Smokey, from "the PJ's" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:37:07 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Scot's all over the world... Hey....my Scottish relatives were poachers. Buckalew (Buchleuch in its native, I think?) means "Vally of the Deer" in Scottish supposedly. I guess the legend is they got caught poaching on the King's land, and that's how they got the name. So we have some criminality in common. (the other half of my blood is German as well Glen. Heiyen is the name.) S.B. At 09:44 AM 7/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >On 13.07.2000 05:41, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >> Clan Uber? Wonder if they're a sept of one of the major clans. > >The Uber is the German name from my dad's side. It's my mom's side that is >Scot: Clans Gunn and Hanna (Hannay) to be exact. I'll be wearing the Gunn >tartan. > >> (whose clan is so cheapskate they can't even afford their own tartan.) > >Apparently, some of my Scottish relatives who later emigrated to Ireland >before coming to the US were sheep rustlers. I figures! My family was white >trash even back then. > >Glen "I was just helping that sheep over the fence, sir." the Glenster > >-- > >Cheers! >-g- > >"Half the world's starving and half the world bloats, >half the world sits on the other and gloats." >--Robyn Hitchcock > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >Glen Uber >uberg@sonic.net >http://www.sonic.net/~uberg > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:37 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: now don't forget... You sure about that? What happened to the placenta? ;-p > If it helps to make this seem more on-topic, none of the babies have > been eaten so these gerbils are definitely maintaining a vegetarian > lifestyle. Hell, wait-- they're VEGANS, in fact! > > lj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:03:02 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: RE: now don't forget... Isn't the placenta part of their own body? Can you eat YOURSELF and still be a vegetarian??? ah yes...the ancient paradoxes of life... >You sure about that? What happened to the placenta? ;-p > >> If it helps to make this seem more on-topic, none of the babies have >> been eaten so these gerbils are definitely maintaining a vegetarian >> lifestyle. Hell, wait-- they're VEGANS, in fact! >> >> lj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: RE: brit pop question - --- Brian Huddell wrote: > You could probably squeeze Supergrass, Menswear, Travis, Elastica, and > later > Lush in there without raising too many eyebrows. I would say Lush didn't end up too close to Britpop until _Lovelife_, but I'll buy it. (Mine was obviously not an exhaustive list...) Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:08:43 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: RE: now don't forget... On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, lj tews wrote: > Isn't the placenta part of their own body? Can you eat YOURSELF and > still be a vegetarian??? as long as you don't eat your meat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:23:17 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: now don't forget... On 13.07.2000 11:08, GSS wrote: > as long as you don't eat your meat Who's going to be the first to make a pudding reference here? - -- Cheers! - -g- "P.T. Barnum's marketing theories are the cornerstone of pop culture." - --Mark Gloster +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:40:58 -0400 From: Mark A Pyskoty Subject: A few humble offerings... I'm forever trying to find a place to stash some Mp3s for my Mitch Easter site...found a kind of viable solution, Netdrive.com seems okay. I've stashed up some K.Rew,a Waves cut,a Bible Of Bop A - Side,Innocent Boy offa Two Halves,an Orange Humble Band cut,A Church chestnut and some live Ledz...before I post the url to my Mitchell pages I just thought I'd offer them to my subsciption lists...here's the addy,just click on my public file button and presto... http://www.netdrive.com/~mpyskoty More to follow...thanks for your indulgence! m... Sleep Well~Don't Burst http://homestead.juno.com/mapslegends/files/mapslege.htm http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/mitcheaster/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: RE: now don't forget... On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, GSS wrote: > > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, lj tews wrote: > > > Isn't the placenta part of their own body? Can you eat YOURSELF and > > still be a vegetarian??? > > as long as you don't eat your meat so if i just ate my own organs and bones and skin id be kosher vegitarian wise. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:06:40 EDT From: "Asa Land" Subject: Philly Rew Show Is anyone going to the Philadelphia Kimberley Rew show on July 25th. The Bishops Collar is a small funky Irish pub type place, so it might be a good show. It would be interesting to stand with a small rowdy crew shouting out for old Soft Boys stuff. Mark Allen, you out there? Lord Asa, Lord of the ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:23:02 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: Re: kitty comment "we feed the rats to the cats, and the cats to the rats; and get the cat skins for nothin'." ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:53:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: kitty comment - --- Michael R Godwin wrote: > There was a totally horrific programme on langur monkeys in Jodhpur(?) > where a gang of disaffected males hung out in the back streets until [] > them by the tail and whacking their brains out against a wall. Do you literally mean "streets" and "wall"? Are these city monkeys? Yipes! > Dion DiMucci's "The Wanderer". Meanwhile, the typical easy-going female Better known, of course, by the single moniker "DiMucci." Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:37:25 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: Fingerbang-bang i think i've just hit upon the idea that's going to make me rich: EbDildos! complete with the yellow-striped shirt, the menacing scowl, and *everything*. you could even have different sizes if you wanted to. but wait! here's the best part: after you've finished, you just rinse it off, and it doubles as a garden gnome. ah, sweet capitalism, will your wonders never cease? about this soft boys tour. reliable source? album of new material? lots of egyptians songs in the set? sean lyons to accompany (hmm, maybe the gliders can open for them...)? early-, mid-, or late-trimester of next year? we wanna know! speaking of the gliders, would a uk feg kindly pick up a copy of the record for me, and we can work out some sort of trade? . they don't take credit cards. KEN "I'm just burnin', doin' the neutron dance" THE KENSTER ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:12:14 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: I'd like to thank the academy From: Glen Uber > I was thrilled just to be nominated It was an honour being included among > this group of fabulous posters. I need to give credit to Vince for drawing a > good performance out of me. He was a wonderful director. I accept this award > on your behalf because it belongs to all of you. You liiiike me, you really really like me! I would like to express heartfelt thanks to those who rushed (Rush, hehe) to my defense, though I am certainly capable to defining a strong argument. At times I used some strong language, and here's why. The US government used many means to try and dissolve us as a people. The slaughtering of game was one of them, and attempting to get us to *farm* on reservations that were basically patches of gravel in undesirable, remote areas. Attempts were made, but from where I'm from, hunting and fishing were the means that ensured a chance at survival, and preserved a pride in our culture. The comment about really pissed me off from Glen ;"times change, so should traditions" was government policy for longest of times, basically meaning "strip them of all identity, and we can incorprate them into society, and take what little lands they still possess" Government relocation programs in the 50's and the BIA squandering what little *development* money that was allocated; I could go on and on. Many folks would like us to be quiet, docile farmers, as the rest of society takes over our sacred lands and burial grounds. Sure, some may tout that "traditions should change" but we're holding on to what little we have left. Wouldn't you do the same? > > Cthulhu bless! Meegwitch, Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:31:39 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: cub koda - RIP As someone who comes from the I Wanna Destoy You end of Fegdom rather than the I Saw Nick Drake locale I'd second the Cub Koda encomium. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Calling all Bayards. Someone give me Bayard and Chris's phone number, please. Thanks. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:47:23 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: I'd like to thank the academy On 13 Jul 00, at 16:12, Randy R. wrote: >The comment about > really pissed me off from Glen ;"times change, so should traditions" > was government policy for longest of times, basically meaning "strip > them of all identity, and we can incorprate them into society, and > take what little lands they still possess" When I read that, I didn't think Glen was saying "we'll change your traditions". A living culture can find its own way to the future. There's got to be an Indian (sorry, I forget the particular people Glen mentioned) way to deal with the lack of whales for hunting, for instance, if you're to deal with that reality and keep the culture alive. So there's Mohawk radio here in Montreal, and pow-wows too. Old and new, it's all still Mohawk if they're at the controls, right? I don't mean to suggest that first nations can't seek to undo some of the wrongs that have been done. > Sure, some may tout that > "traditions should change" but we're holding on to what little we have > left. Wouldn't you do the same? You know what Vince? I can't answer that with something that satisfies me when I read it back. I guess the answer is "as much as possible". > Government relocation > programs in the 50's and the BIA squandering what little *development* > money that was allocated; I could go on and on. The Canadian government did some awful things to Indian kids in schools far from their homes and families. > Many folks would > like us to be quiet, docile farmers, as the rest of society takes over > our sacred lands and burial grounds. And many cheer you on when you stand up to injustice. I think Indians have more got people listening harder than they have been for a long, long time. Look at the new influence of Indian politicians like Mathew Coon Come. Something's happening lately that wasn't before (at least not in my memory). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: hopelessly off-topic "A star sneezed / Now they're paging you in reception" is my Lyric of the Month. Just noticed it...I absorb lyrics gradually. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:55:15 +1200 (NZST) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #191 >I was having this discussion tonight with my maate, and I was trying to >think of names of brit pop bands, those with one name, of recent times. >Of coarse there is Blur, and then I was trying to think of another, who >I have been meaning to pick up, but can never remember the name of the >band. Oasis? Pulp? Ride? I mustr admit to being a Pulp fan... I'd heartily recommed "A different class" (which featured a photo of a wedding partty on the cover), although the bleak "This is Hardcore" (which featured an at first sight sexy woman, but on closer inspection perhaps less so, on the cover) James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:01:25 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Soundtracks/unused music >On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Glen Uber wrote: >> I remember hearing once that Andy Partridge had originally been >> commissioned to do the score for "James and the Giant Peach." If >> that's true, I'd love to hear what he had in mind for that. Aaron Mandel: >i don't know about a score; i've heard four of the songs (maybe that's all >there were) that he wrote for them. then they told him it was going to be >'work for hire' and he said he didn't want anything to do with it. >at least, that's the story i heard. Steve Schiavo is probably composing a >clearer explanation even as we speak. Aaron's pretty much got it. There was a change in the production team and I think the second bunch offered Andy the work for hire contract. I don't think they asked Andy to write the score, although he is certainly could have done so. IMO, his songs and score would have made for a much better film. (Not to slag lj's pal, because his song for Toy Story II was pretty grand). - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:04:11 -0400 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: OFF: High Fidelity MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/11/00 7:01:35 PM, mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: > > << This is the list that was discussing _High Fidelity_ recently, isn't it? > > I just finished reading the book after seeing the movie, and I have a > question. On page 272 of the American paperback edition, the > narrator is talking about why men can't function in a relationship, > and he concludes: "It's not the celluite or the crow's feet. It's > the... > the...the _disrespect_." > > Why did he use "disrespect"? >> > > I have this on p. 274, but whatever. Oops, knew I should have checked the book rather than relying on memory. (-8 Thanks for answering anyway. > I believe it's that he feels that > women have "disrespected" his (and, presumably, the average male's) youthful > dreams of sexy negliges draped all over the house and smouldering glances > over candlelit dinners and all the other stuff he mentions earlier in the > paragraph. He's saying that, contrary to women's notions/complaints that men > get tired of them once they(we) are exposed to crow's feet and cellulite a > few years down the road, it's really that men have their romantic illusions > shattered by the practicalities of everyday life. > Could be, I suppose. I don't think I had any notions of what married > life would be like until, oh I don't know, maybe a couple of years after > being married ;-) OK, I agree that he's complaining about his illusions proving false, but why does he use the term "disrespect"? To me, "disrespect" implies some fault or guilt on the part of the disrespecter, but I don't think it's fair to blame women for not living up to his childish illusions. Every little child thinks he/she can fly; is gravity being "disrespectful" when they realize they can't? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:48:55 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: OFF: High Fidelity In a message dated 7/14/00 5:04:23 AM, mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: << OK, I agree that he's complaining about his illusions proving false, but why does he use the term "disrespect"? To me, "disrespect" implies some fault or guilt on the part of the disrespecter, but I don't think it's fair to blame women for not living up to his childish illusions. Every little child thinks he/she can fly; is gravity being "disrespectful" when they realize they can't? >> Fair?! No, of course not. By p. 274, I would think the reader would be accustomed to Rob's habit of blaming others -- anyone but himself, really -- for his many dissatisfactions. Rob is an overgrown child; I wouldn't be surprised if he is still blaming gravity for the fact that he can't fly ;-) - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #192 *******************************