From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #191 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, July 13 2000 Volume 09 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: XTC's "Tiny Circus of Life" CD [Tom Clark ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #190 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: Rew In A Town Near You! (2nd try) [nyquilthotep ] re: hunting ["Russ Reynolds" ] brit pop question [Eleanore Adams ] Beatles piano question ["Russ Reynolds" ] acca - pop question ["John Barrington Jones" ] RE: brit pop question ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: acca - pop question [Eleanore Adams ] RE: acca - pop question ["Brian Huddell" ] Roches [Eric Loehr ] Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) ["Noe Shalev" ] Lea (sic) River trip [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Rew In A Town Near You! (2nd try) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: All Aboard The Skylark ["matt sewell" ] Re: Hunting ["matt sewell" ] Re: All Aboard The Skylark [" Brian Hoare" ] Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) [Stephen Buckalew ] kitty comment [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: OFF: High Fidelity [MARKEEFE@aol.com] RE: brit pop question ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: kitty comment [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:50:32 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Fwd: XTC's "Tiny Circus of Life" CD My brother asked me to pimp his ebay auction to y'all: >There were only 3000 of these things printed worldwide. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=378436157 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:31:04 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #190 >As James Dignan suggested with respect to New Zealand, the >consequences of human expansion and development put us in >the morally dubious position of having to replace the many predator >species we have destroyed (such as wildcats, bears, and wolves in >North America) with our own selves, merely to prevent the species >they used to prey upon (deer, raccoons, rabbits) from multiplying >beyond the capacity of the land (and it's human-shattered ecology) >to support them, thereby further preventing them from destroying >*other* species lower down in the food chain (and thus further >impacting bio-diversity) in order to sustain their inflated populations. not strictly true here - we are having to act as predators to species we introduced here - there were never any deer, rabbits or possums in NZ until man arrived (no mammals at all, except the bat, in fact) James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:41:27 -0400 From: nyquilthotep Subject: Re: Rew In A Town Near You! (2nd try) when we last left our heroes, Ry exclaimed: >Just wanted to let everyone know (if you don't already) that Kimberley Rew >is playing the states next week. >July 26th - Hoboken, NJ - Maxwell's any other nyc fegs thinking of making this show? woj n.p. rheostatics -- he story of harmelodia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:36:09 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: re: hunting I'm just going to jump in here and say that I like meat. I like the way it tastes. I don't like the fact that animals are killed so I can eat it but I push those thoughts aside so I can eat food that appeals me. I guess I'd like to go veggie eventually, chiefly out of compassion for animals, but that probably won't happen until after I've given up writing bullshit radio commercials for money. 'Cause whether I like it or not I'm a carnivore with a family to feed. I do however make every effort to eat veggie whenever possible (okay, usually) mostly due to health reasons. I eat many soy products made to simulate meat flavor and texture. I have actually grown to enjoy these items for what they are as opposed to simply liking them because they taste sorta like meat (that would be a stretch). While catching a fish is a fun and exciting thing to do I know I will never go out of my way to do it again because I don't want to have to kill it and I don't want to have to throw it back because I imagine the fish in question don't particularly enjoy being fucked with. But there's nothing like a broiled salmon properly prepared. I can see where hunting would bring the same sort of sporting thrill as fishing, probably even more so, but I just can't stand to watch an animal die so you won't see me out in the woods with a rifle. If the world were full of people like me we'd all be vegetarians out of sheer squeemishness and/or compassion, I'm not sure which--probably a combination of both. But thanks to the hunters I get to enjoy a bratwurst at a baseball game every once in a while. They rank right up there with mechanics, janitors and tailors when it comes to doing things I'd rather not do myself. As for wearing wool, sure I'd feel better about it if I knew the shearers were politely asking each sheep "Daisy, may I shave you please?" first. But to be honest I'd feel better about it if it didn't itch. When a sheep can willingly go to supercuts and request 'just a little off the top' I will feel worse about sheep being forceably sheared. And when I can drive from San Jose to Union City in the 25 minutes it ought to take me I will feel worse about sheep being packed into small spaces. On second thought I do feel bad about that, and I wouldn't want to wish 880 north at 5PM on any animal. Even if they do eventually create a sheep pool lane. Frankly I want to see a little improvement in the way people treat people before I get too worked up about they way they treat animals. Perhaps if people treated each other with more respect, agreeing to treat animals with the same respect wouldn't be such an unlikely thing to accomplish. - -rUss p.s. I think Robyn Hitchcock's music is really neat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:45:14 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: brit pop question I was having this discussion tonight with my maate, and I was trying to think of names of brit pop bands, those with one name, of recent times. Of coarse there is Blur, and then I was trying to think of another, who I have been meaning to pick up, but can never remember the name of the band. Can any of you remember the name of the band who's second to last album had a photo of a large wedding party on the cover, and then their latest album had a picture of a sexy woman? eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:39:41 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Beatles piano question > PS Who plays the piano on the Beatles version of Chuck Berry's > "Rock'n'roll music"? It sounds too boogie-woogie for George Martin but I > can't think who else it could be. According to the excellent discography "All Together Now" it was George Martin, John Lennon and Paul McCartney all on one piano! ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2000 22:33:25 -0700 From: "John Barrington Jones" Subject: acca - pop question Anyone know the name of the Roches' song that starts out: "I knew there was something about him that I liked..." I think the chorus has the words "I fell in love" in it. Very cheesy, very funny. Anyone know the name of it??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:00 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: brit pop question That'd be Pulp, as 50 other messages will soon attest. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Eleanore Adams > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:45 PM > To: fegs! > Subject: brit pop question > > > I was having this discussion tonight with my maate, and I was trying to > think of names of brit pop bands, those with one name, of recent times. > Of coarse there is Blur, and then I was trying to think of another, who > I have been meaning to pick up, but can never remember the name of the > band. > > Can any of you remember the name of the band who's second to last album > had a photo of a large wedding party on the cover, and then their latest > album had a picture of a sexy woman? > > eleanore > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:53:39 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: acca - pop question My husband, who is a big Roches fan says it is called "I fell In Love", but he is checking his collection now..... elenaore John Barrington Jones wrote: > Anyone know the name of the Roches' song that starts out: > > "I knew there was something about him that I liked..." > > I think the chorus has the words "I fell in love" in it. > > Very cheesy, very funny. > > Anyone know the name of it??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:13:00 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: acca - pop question Yep. From "Keep On Doing": I Fell in Love (by Terre and Suzzy Roche) I know there was something about you that I liked yeah But I only realized it when I spied you At your mother's house last week I'd only ever seen you on your bike yeah I thought you were a slick affected Switch blade flashing motorcycle freak I never understood you slur your words why You walk that mean and tough guy walk Of all the other guys who hang around The kind of animal that goes in herds why But at you mother's house last Sunday dinnertime With your defenses down I fell in love, I fell in love, I fell in love Flowers in your hand Such a fine young man Dressed up a suit and tie Hear my love cry I fell in love, I fell in love I'm probably not the kind of girl you think you want why I saw you with that slick effective Switch blade flashing motorcycle blonde I've got to make you turn around and see me I saw you at your mother's house I know you have it in you to like me Such a fine young man Catch me if you can Don't be such a tough guy Hear my love cry I fell in love, you fell in what? > My husband, who is a big Roches fan says it is called "I fell In Love", > but he is checking his collection now..... > > elenaore > > John Barrington Jones wrote: > > > Anyone know the name of the Roches' song that starts out: > > > > "I knew there was something about him that I liked..." > > > > I think the chorus has the words "I fell in love" in it. > > > > Very cheesy, very funny. > > > > Anyone know the name of it??? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:47:29 -0400 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Roches Speaking of the Roches, has anyone ever seen a CD of "Another World" ? -- it doesn't seem to be in print... Eric At 01:13 AM 7/13/00 -0500, Brian Huddell wrote: >Yep. From "Keep On Doing": > >I Fell in Love >(by Terre and Suzzy Roche) > >I know there was something about you that I liked yeah >But I only realized it when I spied you >At your mother's house last week >I'd only ever seen you on your bike yeah >I thought you were a slick affected >Switch blade flashing motorcycle freak > >I never understood you slur your words why >You walk that mean and tough guy walk >Of all the other guys who hang around >The kind of animal that goes in herds why >But at you mother's house last Sunday dinnertime >With your defenses down > >I fell in love, I fell in love, I fell in love > >Flowers in your hand >Such a fine young man >Dressed up a suit and tie >Hear my love cry > >I fell in love, I fell in love > >I'm probably not the kind of girl you think you want why >I saw you with that slick effective >Switch blade flashing motorcycle blonde >I've got to make you turn around and see me >I saw you at your mother's house >I know you have it in you to like me > >Such a fine young man >Catch me if you can >Don't be such a tough guy >Hear my love cry > >I fell in love, you fell in what? > > >> My husband, who is a big Roches fan says it is called "I fell In Love", >> but he is checking his collection now..... >> >> elenaore >> >> John Barrington Jones wrote: >> >> > Anyone know the name of the Roches' song that starts out: >> > >> > "I knew there was something about him that I liked..." >> > >> > I think the chorus has the words "I fell in love" in it. >> > >> > Very cheesy, very funny. >> > >> > Anyone know the name of it??? >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:23:04 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) .And I was only speculating (this being the key word here) that it is difficult for us to *predict* with certainty how we will behave in any given situation. I am always suspect of statements of future intent. Especially when the circumstances surrounding the enactment of the stated intent have not yet been experienced by the person making the statement. S.B., as for predictgion I must agree. people act differently from each other and from the way they think they would under various situations. But this was actualy *my* point. no one can predict our instinct to rule us and make us eat meat under a starving situation. Now the point were argued is that I justify someone who thinks *now* that he won't be able (morai/mentaly)to kill an animal for food *than* to decide he shouldn't eat meat now even if it's killed and prepered for them. all th best (and so is music) NOE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:02:56 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Roches I've only have the vinyl. roches.com includes a merchandise link that has just about everything but "Another World". But that's probably the most likely place to find news of a re-release if it ever happens. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Eric Loehr > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:47 AM > To: spleens a go-go > Subject: Roches > > > Speaking of the Roches, has anyone ever seen a CD of "Another World" ? -- > it doesn't seem to be in print... > > Eric > > At 01:13 AM 7/13/00 -0500, Brian Huddell wrote: > >Yep. From "Keep On Doing": > > > >I Fell in Love > >(by Terre and Suzzy Roche) > > > >I know there was something about you that I liked yeah > >But I only realized it when I spied you > >At your mother's house last week > >I'd only ever seen you on your bike yeah > >I thought you were a slick affected > >Switch blade flashing motorcycle freak > > > >I never understood you slur your words why > >You walk that mean and tough guy walk > >Of all the other guys who hang around > >The kind of animal that goes in herds why > >But at you mother's house last Sunday dinnertime > >With your defenses down > > > >I fell in love, I fell in love, I fell in love > > > >Flowers in your hand > >Such a fine young man > >Dressed up a suit and tie > >Hear my love cry > > > >I fell in love, I fell in love > > > >I'm probably not the kind of girl you think you want why > >I saw you with that slick effective > >Switch blade flashing motorcycle blonde > >I've got to make you turn around and see me > >I saw you at your mother's house > >I know you have it in you to like me > > > >Such a fine young man > >Catch me if you can > >Don't be such a tough guy > >Hear my love cry > > > >I fell in love, you fell in what? > > > > > >> My husband, who is a big Roches fan says it is called "I fell In Love", > >> but he is checking his collection now..... > >> > >> elenaore > >> > >> John Barrington Jones wrote: > >> > >> > Anyone know the name of the Roches' song that starts out: > >> > > >> > "I knew there was something about him that I liked..." > >> > > >> > I think the chorus has the words "I fell in love" in it. > >> > > >> > Very cheesy, very funny. > >> > > >> > Anyone know the name of it??? > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:48:04 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Lea (sic) River trip Apparently there are no more tickets available for the Broxbourne - Waltham Abbey splash. Does anybody have a spare one, please? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:27:37 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Rew In A Town Near You! (2nd try) Ry wrote: > > Just wanted to let everyone know (if you don't already) that Kimberley Rew > is playing the states next week. And I noticed in this month's "Sing Out" (old folkie bastard that I am) that Tunnel Into Summer gets a pretty good review, and Robyn is pretty much reckoned to be a hero by most folks at SO... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:39:30 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #188 digja611@student.otago.ac.nz wrote: > > quite the opposite. With modern breeds of sheep, if they're left unshorn > they suffer As one who spent part of a summer sheep-shearing on Fair Isle, sheep can suffer if you're not too expert with manual shears. Still, they have a remarkably high pain tolerance. Sheep -- Shetland sheep specifically -- are evil bastards. Sheep are not dim in the slightest; they just play that way so they don't get asked to do difficult things like air traffic control (guess they could work for BAA...). They'll bite your armpit in mid-shear, the run away, trailing a half-shorn fleece through the sharn. Mind you, I'd be an evil bastard too if I were left to fend for myself on 5x2km of rock and grass in the middle of the North Sea all winter. ObRobyn: the old process of plucking the wool from a Shetland sheep is called 'rewing". EU regulations ban it 'cos they think it's cruel, but by the end of the summer a Shetland sheep's fleece will pretty much fall off on its own. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:41:30 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Foot in mouth tastes like chicken Glen Uber wrote: > > My co-workers would probably lynch me if they knew > that I am planning to wear a kilt made of wool at my upcoming wedding. Clan Uber? Wonder if they're a sept of one of the major clans. Stewart (whose clan is so cheapskate they can't even afford their own tartan.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:56:11 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: All Aboard The Skylark Scan of the upcoming riverboat cruise ticket: http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/Images/rh_050800.jpg Yes, it's huge, pretty much to the scale of the other tickets. It's also been done on A5 pieces of Kodak Photo Inkjet paper, which must make it one of the most expensive tickets in the world. It's in the The Robyn Hitchcock Ticket Stub Gallery, http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/fegtickets.html, which has been crying out for entries of late. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:33:51 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: All Aboard The Skylark Stewart writes: >Scan of the upcoming riverboat cruise ticket: > > http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/Images/rh_050800.jpg > >Yes, it's huge, pretty much to the scale of the other tickets. It's also >been done on A5 pieces of Kodak Photo Inkjet paper, which must make it >one of the most expensive tickets in the world. > >It's in the The Robyn Hitchcock Ticket Stub Gallery, >http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/fegtickets.html, which has been >crying out for entries of late. > > Stewart Got my tickets yesterday... yay... Sadly don't have a spare to offer Mr. Godwin - good luck in your search... Who else from the list is going - surely this is a perfect opportunity for some UK fegfotos? BTW - anyone remember what the cartoon featuring Noah and Nelly, that made "All aboard the skylark!" a famous phrase, was called? Cheers Matt Making my debut on WebTV tomorrow! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:52:22 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Hunting JH3 says: >The point I'm trying to make here is that to criticize hunters for >what they do is no different from criticizing mountain lions, ocelots, >and hyenas for what they *used* to do before we destroyed their >populations. (Admittedly, genocide can be considered a form of >criticism, I guess.) Human beings are by far the most violent >and destructive force ever seen on the planet. *Maybe* they/we >should feel shame at individual acts of cruelty such as shooting >a deer or whatever, but the effort to make them feel that shame >(or prevent them from committing such acts) would probably be >much better spent on trying to prevent the massive destruction of >animal (and plant, insect, fish, etc.) habitats on a global scale, >which became frighteningly more widespread during the 20th >century and shows few, if any, signs of abatement now. > >If anything, to have a situation where "tree-huggers" and >"beer-swilling, gun-toting rednecks" are busily attacking each >other for the (mostly) limited killing of wild animals is exactly >the sort of situation that's most desirable for the very >corporations and governments that are gleefully wiping the >Earth clean of its natural resources in the interest of selfish, >short-term private gain. The very people who might otherwise >lead a popular groundswell against their activities are >conveniently distracted while the perps go about their work >with relatively little interference, just as people like *Al Gore* >are foisted off on us as "champions" of the "environmental >movement." They're probably laughing their asses off at us >right now, as we sit at our nice expensive computers humbly >apologizing for wearing leather shoes, and trying to rationalize >that as somehow not being "too hypocritical." > >Hmm, that's probably enough for today, wouldn't you say? > >Flame away. No flames from me - I couldn't agree more! I really think we need to cull some shareholders... Matt PS our birthday now shared by erm, Keith Emerson... oof. "Hunting, no! I think it's a perfectly *beastly* sport" - Butterworth, or was it the other one, can't remember his name now... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:16:17 -0700 From: " Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: All Aboard The Skylark - -- On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:33:51 matt sewell wrote: > >Got my tickets yesterday... yay... >Sadly don't have a spare to offer Mr. Godwin - good luck in your search... >Who else from the list is going - surely this is a perfect opportunity for >some UK fegfotos? I'll be there along with my wife, Sarah. This will be the first time I've seem him live since the Element of Light tour... >BTW - anyone remember what the cartoon featuring Noah and Nelly, that made >"All aboard the skylark!" a famous phrase, was called? "Noah and Nelly in the Skylark" try < http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/tombstone/890/noah-nelly.htm > and then wish you hadn't Brian - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:20:54 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) At 09:23 AM 7/13/00 +0200, you wrote: Noe, I see your point, it would be difficult to predict either behavior. S.B. >as for predictgion I must agree. people act differently from each other and >from the way they think they would under various situations. But this was >actualy *my* point. no one can predict our instinct to rule us and make us >eat meat under a starving situation. Now the point were argued is that I >justify someone who thinks *now* that he won't be able (morai/mentaly)to >kill an animal for food *than* to decide he shouldn't eat meat now even if >it's killed and prepered for them. > >all th best (and so is music) >NOE > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:31:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Your rotting corpse & my Bug prejudice > Drew, I'd give you a plot in my backyard, but I'm afraid your rotting > corpse > would attract waaaaaayyyyy too many bugs. Can't you arrange a decent > death > at a zoo or something? If you must be passed on, at least let it be by > mammal Maybe I can arrange to be pelletized and sold in handfuls for 25 cents to zoo visitors! Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: brit pop question - --- Eleanore Adams wrote: > Can any of you remember the name of the band who's second to last album > had a photo of a large wedding party on the cover, and then their latest > album had a picture of a sexy woman? It's Pulp. The albums in question are _Different Class_ (incredibly awesome) and _This is Hardcore_ (unbelievably awesome). The woman is not sexy, she is a corpse (opinion). You should have no regrets buying both albums instantly. The very first Pulp experience I had was with _His and Hers_, which I still regard as an acquired taste, and whatever you do don't bother buying any of the other albums. Their older stuff is pretty bad and they've improved immeasurably. Other Britpop bands with one name: Suede Oasis Ride (arguably shoegazer, not Britpop) If you like Blur and Pulp, definitely give Suede a whirl. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:49:14 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: kitty comment >Lions and other predatory animals seriously injure and kill other >members of their pride regulary. What often happens with lions is that when an alpha male is deposed, the new alpha male will kill all his rival's cubs, to ensure that only his own genetic line is continued. I saw a very interesting TV show a while back - maybe some other folks caught this - about a farm in Yorkshire where a large group of domestic cats had gone feral. Although supposedly cats are solitary animals, when they were left to themselves, these cats formed into social groups much like lions. The people who owned the farm were horrified when alpha male cats started killing their rivals' kittens. (Though perhaps it shouldn't have come as a surprise.) > I don't want to end up on top of a pole, festering in lice and flies. > Which saint was that, anyway? Being anal, I looked this up - there were a number of saints who lived on poles. They were called Stylites, and the most famous one was St. Simeon the Elder. More info: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14317b.htm n. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:50:29 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: OFF: High Fidelity In a message dated 7/11/00 7:01:35 PM, mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: << This is the list that was discussing _High Fidelity_ recently, isn't it? I just finished reading the book after seeing the movie, and I have a question. On page 272 of the American paperback edition, the narrator is talking about why men can't function in a relationship, and he concludes: "It's not the celluite or the crow's feet. It's the... the...the _disrespect_." Why did he use "disrespect"? >> I have this on p. 274, but whatever. I believe it's that he feels that women have "disrespected" his (and, presumably, the average male's) youthful dreams of sexy negliges draped all over the house and smouldering glances over candlelit dinners and all the other stuff he mentions earlier in the paragraph. He's saying that, contrary to women's notions/complaints that men get tired of them once they(we) are exposed to crow's feet and cellulite a few years down the road, it's really that men have their romantic illusions shattered by the practicalities of everyday life. Could be, I suppose. I don't think I had any notions of what married life would be like until, oh I don't know, maybe a couple of years after being married ;-) - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:04:38 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: brit pop question You could probably squeeze Supergrass, Menswear, Travis, Elastica, and later Lush in there without raising too many eyebrows. > Other Britpop bands with one name: > Suede > Oasis > Ride (arguably shoegazer, not Britpop) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:31:52 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: kitty comment On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > What often happens with lions is that when an alpha male is deposed, the new > alpha male will kill all his rival's cubs, to ensure that only his own > genetic line is continued. There was a totally horrific programme on langur monkeys in Jodhpur(?) where a gang of disaffected males hung out in the back streets until they managed to thrash the alpha male. Once he was kicked out, there was a wild orgy with the females at the mercy of the delinquents, until one delinquent asserted himself as top dog (sorry, I mean top langur). Then he threw out all the other males, who slunk off again to the back streets. Next he killed off all the youngsters by that delightful method of holding them by the tail and whacking their brains out against a wall. Incredible, but not exactly family viewing ... > I saw a very interesting TV show a while back - maybe some other folks > caught this - about a farm in Yorkshire where a large group of > domestic cats had gone feral. I think it was Devonshire if it was the prog I saw. What I particularly liked about it was the way that the tough loner male wandered for miles, looking for food and sex (he had a girl in every copse), very much like Dion DiMucci's "The Wanderer". Meanwhile, the typical easy-going female sat all day beside a well-known mouse run and scooped in a meal every couple of hours without lifting more than the occasional paw. - - Mike "sociobiology? schmociobiology" Godwin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #191 *******************************