From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #188 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 09 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Vegetarianism all over the world [Stephen Buckalew ] Boston and East Coast late August. [Capuchin ] Re: Vegetarianism all over the world [Glen Uber ] Re: Vegetarianism all over the world [Christopher Gross ] addendum [Glen Uber ] Re: a huntin' we will go [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re:soundtracks [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] OFF: High Fidelity [John McIntyre ] Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) ["Randy R." ] Re: extra cd-r [nyquilthotep ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:19:58 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Vegetarianism all over the world Glen, please accept my apology. I'm being too touchy and knee-jerky today. Here's an olive branch....or better yet a "Peace Pipe"! Mmmm...I feel better already...hungrier too (for some strawberries that is).... Tomorrow I'll make sure to get out of the right side of the bed! :-) S.B. (BTW...I got accused of being a "tepid list personality" on another list one time because I asked people to tone down personal attacks...but hey, it's a cyberspace love-in out there :-) At 03:00 PM 7/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >On 11.07.2000 14:36, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > >> >> Glen....this was a ***JOKE***, sheeese....I could give a shit what hitler >> or dahmer ate.... > >Another case of tone of voice not translating well. Oh boy. We must have all >woken up on the wrong side of the bed today, eh? > >Maybe I'll just lurk the rest of the day. > >-- > >Cheers! >-g- > >"I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. >I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything >connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, >the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women >warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >Glen Uber >uberg@sonic.net >http://www.sonic.net/~uberg > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) - --- Glen Uber wrote: > On 11.07.2000 11:39, Randy R. wrote: > > > Shit, I'm a freekin' vegetarian!!! I only eat what I catch out of the > water, > > or get by my own hand. > > Then you're not a vegetarian. Maybe he only catches kelp or turnips by his own hand. Let's not jump to conclusions! > I have some respect for that. I don't fault someone who is hungry > killing as > a matter of survival. After all, humans are the only animals who kill > when > they are not hungry. I have a problem with someone who does it for > "sport". I've been fishing once before, I think, but I was very young and didn't really learn how. I learned how last week. I have to admit that it was fun, kind of exciting to learn a new skill and to be reasonably successful on the first try. "Reasonably successful" here means I caught one fish (these were not optimal conditions). I was thrilled. And eager to throw it back. Unfortunately it had gotten itself pretty firmly stuck on the hook and we almost didn't get it disengaged in time. I suspect it was not discouraged from continuing to feed from our hooks (the usual state of affairs) by this traumatic experience. However, I wasn't at all sure I wanted to keep catching fish after that. Especially when I learned to bait the hook, and discovered that the experience of reaching into the basket full of live crickets was much less horrifying than running a fishhook behind a cricket's head and down the length of its body. Even after all this I want to fish again, a desire that appalls me. Maybe I can be strong. > Hunting won't be a sport until the animals are given guns. Or bullet-proof vests (a la goalies). > Weren't you just talking about how gross a slaughterhouse and a chicken > factory were? I'm sorry, but I don't see any difference in gutting your > own > or having someone else do it. You may be doing it in a cleaner > workspace, > but the process still seems gross to me. "Well, it is disgusting, Deni, it's life!...If it weren't for our rib cages it'd be spleens-a-go-go." Finally got a chance to watch my DVD last week. I ended up liking it, but I was kind of shocked at what a lackluster vocal performance it was. He seemed very nervous. > One of the reasons I decided to become a vegetarian was because I knew > that, > no matter what the circumstances might be, I couldn't kill an animal for > food and I felt like a hypocrite having others do the dirty work for me. I've thought about the various reasons to become a vegetarian a number of times. The main thing that usually stops me is that I just never learned to like many vegetables, so I would end up subsisting on very limited green salads, tofu, and bread. You can imagine that my diet is not particularly healthy at present. But when giving thought to the other reasons, I hit walls. Being grossed-out or stricken with feeling about something is not, in my experience a good yardstick for its wrongness. I anthropomorphize excessively and against my will; I've been known to reach the verge of tears on donating an old, not particularly loved old T-shirt to Goodwill. The mere smell of pickles makes me gag. So while slaughterhouses seem patently "gross" and cruel to me, I can't from that conclude that eating animals is wrong. This is complicated by the fact that I adore cats, committed carnivores (except, of course, for my fucked-up cat who likes corn and carrots as much as I do), and that many many many other animals are also carnivores. Just because it's natural don't make it right neither, but the point is that this process of killing and eating meat seems cruel no matter which animal (or plant) is engaged in doing it. And I wonder about the philosophy that the problem is suffering and not killing as such, because of course it's necessary to kill plants to eat them as well. There's no conclusion here; just rambling. > > You may also note that in my previous story, Eb and I circled for a > *head > > shot*. Not what you want to do if you're looking for a trophy piece, > but > > what you want to do to take the animal down in one quick kill. > > You also made it sound as if it was a thrilling, exciting adventure. It probably was. I'm not too comfortable with repressing the side of me that can empathize. > You keep proving my point here. Every time you mention hunting or > trapping > or whatever, you seem to justify it by saying you needed money. See my > comments above about the human race not evolving past the point of > killing > for profit. Funny word, "evolving." Lately people use it a lot to refer to some sort of spiritual growth, with the "highly evolved" being kind of an elitist club. I always figured "evolution" was about surviving and thriving as a species, and many terribly antisocial practices are extremely good ways to survive and thrive as a species. I think it would be nice if we managed to make it so that killing would not result in profit, but that would not be "evolution" so much as simple change. For the record, I'm not a fan of sport hunting at all, pretty iffy on sport fishing (arguably the same thing), and undecided on the subject of carnivorousness. I'm just giving you the reactions I had to your post, not trying to extend the argument. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Foot in mouth tastes like chicken - --- Glen Uber wrote: > (they're all vegans). My co-workers would probably lynch me if they knew > that I am planning to wear a kilt made of wool at my upcoming wedding. ? I wouldn't mind being regularly shorn to make clothing. Is the objection there that wool implies sheep that will eventually be slaughtered? Or is there animal cruelty in sheep-shearing? > I have a reputation to uphold around here. Reputations are mind-forg'd manacles if you ask me. :) Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:46:11 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: Foot in mouth tastes like chicken >--- Glen Uber wrote: >> (they're all vegans). My co-workers would probably lynch me if they knew >> that I am planning to wear a kilt made of wool at my upcoming wedding. Drew: >? > >I wouldn't mind being regularly shorn to make clothing. Is the objection >there that wool implies sheep that will eventually be slaughtered? Or is >there animal cruelty in sheep-shearing? Yes, well, it's easy to see where Drew doesn't go on the web :) (no rebuke implied as I can't imagine why you would be reading vegan websites). Usually the reasons are: 1. We have no right to use -anything- from an animal, and we especially have no right to artificially tamper with an animal (hormone injeciton et al) in order to get more of whatever it is we are going to use (e.g., wool, honey). 2. Related to this- we have no right to keep or breed animals at all. This includes keeping them in zoos or as pets as well. 3. A kneejerk reaction that "it's animal product so it is bad". This is actually a very small group of people, but they provide amusement value much greater than their numbers by (I have actually seen this, er, come up more than once) having dumbass debates over whether swallowing after a blowjob is against vegan principles. Personally I've a bit of sympathy for argument one, not much for argument two (if the animals are treated well and kept well then you've got more important battles to fight, I would think), and no comment on number three. Love on ya, Susan whois actually somewhat strict but just can't bring herself to feel bad about the honey and resultant bee abuse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:31:16 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: bloody well right On 11.07.2000 15:01, J. Brown wrote: > what if the chicken died of a stroke or the cow died of heart disease? Now that's funny! It sounds like something George Carlin might say. Thanks for throwing some rope down into this grave I'm digging for myself. - -- Cheers! - -g- "The revolution will not be televised but it will have its own web site." - --Glen Uber, 25 April 2000 (apologies to Gil Scott-Heron) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Boston and East Coast late August. I'm going to be in Boston on August 28 and 29 for a conference. I'm thinking of taking some of the rest of the week for vacation and hanging about. Trick is that I want to fly in and out of the same city. What's a reasonable train/bus/drive from Boston that's worth spending a few days alone seeing? How far's NYC by one of those methods (train prefered)? District of Columbia? Just curious. I have to make my travel arrangements this week. Boston fegs: Wanna hang er sumthin'? let me know. Je. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:30:27 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Vegetarianism all over the world On 11.07.2000 15:19, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > > Glen, please accept my apology. > > I'm being too touchy and knee-jerky today. Apology accepted. We all have our touchy, knee-jerky days as evidenced by my earlier comments. > Here's an olive branch....or > better yet a "Peace Pipe"! Mmmm...I feel better already...hungrier too > (for some strawberries that is).... Don't bogart me, brother! Cheers! - -g- "Kids are the best! You can teach them to hate the same things you hate. And these days they pretty much raise themselves, what with the Internet and all." --Homer Simpson +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Vegetarianism all over the world On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Glen Uber wrote: > Hitler was a vegetarian on the recommendation of his doctor who suggested he > cut meat out of his diet. The Nazi propoganda machine played it up and tried > to equate Hitler's vegetarianism with that of Gandhi's. It was hoped that > Hitler would be seen as a compassionate, saintly man on par with Gandhi. > > In reality, when Hitler was out from under the watchful eye of his doctor, > he used to order his chef to make him meat-filled ravioli for meals. The > beef or pork was kept well hidden inside the shell of the ravioli and no one > could tell what he was eating. Do you have a source for this? Not that I don't believe you, but I've never before heard that Hitler disliked his vegetarian diet and cheated on it, or that his vegetarianism featured heavily in Nazi propaganda. (Actually I do doubt the propaganda bit.) I do know that when he harrangued his staff and guests for hours about vegetarianism, he focused on its health benefits, not on the animal-rights aspect. - --Chris, aka "Mister Historical Trivia" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:01:12 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Vegetarianism all over the world On 11.07.2000 17:00, Christopher Gross wrote: > Do you have a source for this? Not that I don't believe you, but I've > never before heard that Hitler disliked his vegetarian diet and cheated on > it, or that his vegetarianism featured heavily in Nazi propaganda. > (Actually I do doubt the propaganda bit.) I have a pro-vegetarian essay someplace that mentions this. I'll get a source to you as soon as I locate it. > I do know that when he > harrangued his staff and guests for hours about vegetarianism, he focused > on its health benefits, not on the animal-rights aspect. Actually, that was kind of the point of the aforementioned essay. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Half the world's starving and half the world bloats, half the world sits on the other and gloats." - --Robyn Hitchcock +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:07:52 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: addendum John Vyvyan apparently discusses Hitler's stances on animal rights, vivisection and vegetarianism in his book "The Dark Face of Science". I don't know if that's one of the sources of the essay I mentioned, though. - -- Cheers! - -g- "I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:56:33 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: a huntin' we will go From: Glen Uber > Typical hunter mentality! An animal is nothing more than a disposable > commodity to you, eh? well, I can't vouch for the US, but here in NZ there are two distinct types of hunting. There's what you might call recreational hunting (which probably accounts for about 5-10% of all hunting) and what you might call culling. The most common target of NZ hunters is the possum (ironically this type of possum is found in only NZ and Australia, and in Australia it is endangered and proitected. Here it is a pest). Possums kill native trees, and destroy the habitats of our native bird population - one of NZ's greatest natural treasures and claims to fame. The kiwi (the one with the beak) is on the endangered list, and many other species are at the critical stage. By culling possums, NZ hunters are helping our more endangered species. The other most common target is the rabbit. Vast areas of the South Island have been thoroughly denuded by rabbits, and parts of the Mackenzie Basin and Central Otago (about as far inland as you can get in the S.I.) have been turned into a near dustbowl due to them. Again, the hunters are, by killing rabbits, helping the land. Other hunting targets (deer, wapiti, wild pig) areimported animals which, again, are denuding native bush. And the meat of these is often eaten (as is the case with the rabbit, al least until the recent outbreak of rabbit calici virus). I do not hunt myself, and am a 'tree-hugging hippy' inasmuch as I am a member of Greenpeace, but I am only too willing to say that here in NZ hunters (including 'recreational' ones) are helping, rather than hindering, the NZ ecology. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:09:59 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re:soundtracks Dunno about whole albums, but there are two instrumentals on the Cruel Sea's great "This is not the way home" album which I have always wanted to use that way. If I had a regular radio show, one that required theme music, I'd use one of them (I think it's called "Shadder") James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:41:36 -0400 From: John McIntyre Subject: OFF: High Fidelity This is the list that was discussing _High Fidelity_ recently, isn't it? I just finished reading the book after seeing the movie, and I have a question. On page 272 of the American paperback edition, the narrator is talking about why men can't function in a relationship, and he concludes: "It's not the celluite or the crow's feet. It's the... the...the _disrespect_." Why did he use "disrespect"? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:58:15 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) Glen raises his rifle, and defends..... > > > Shit, I'm a freekin' vegetarian!!! I only eat what I catch out of the water, > > or get by my own hand. > > Then you're not a vegetarian. Correct. I'm not. But in the larger sense of the word, I am. There are those who believe that a vegetable touched by animal feces are strictly off limits. heh. Every vegetable you eat has somehow been touched by that, errrr, shit. > > > I used to work in a slaughterhouse. You wanna see how our > > *civilized* society turns a cow into a side of beef in 35 minutes? It aint' > > pretty. I also used to work in a chicken factory. That was less > > traumatizing, but still gross. > > You're preaching to the choir here. The cattle were herded in to the chutes, and there were 3 crazy guys in there who prodded them with electric poles. At times, the cattle would kick one another to death, causing me (I worked in the blood pit) to crawl through the chute, attatch the chain to it's ankle, and drag it through. The *leggers* hated that, as dried blood made it more difficult to do their job. If that didn't happen, the animal was led into the kill shoot, it's belly was hoisted by a shelf, it's snout was lifted by a grotesque *nose ring*, and it's throat was slit. I worked in a kosher kill plant, so it was Jews who did this. So after it stopped mooing and kicking really hard, I had to step in there and attatch it's back leg to a chain. Once it was done, I pulled the remote control (covered in blood, of course) and the kicking beast was swung out into the *blood pit*, where there were many more moving slowly along the chains, bleeding. Is my job done yet? Hell no. I had to reach up into it's neck and slice one of the main arteries, and let the black blood spill all over my rain slicker and football helmet. Yes, football helmet. I was kicked quite often. Twice in my 7 months I had failed to chain the beast properly, and it dropped. Damn thing went after the first thing I saw; me. They had constru cted a pole in the corner of the blood pit (kind folks, those slaughter house owners) for myself to duck behind should I ever fuck up. The first time it happened, the line stopped, and all the workers started banging their knives against metal, watching to see if I could get away. Who were they cheering for? hmmmm > > > I hail from an Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota, and we hunted out > > of fear of going hungry. > > I have some respect for that. I don't fault someone who is hungry killing as > a matter of survival. After all, humans are the only animals who kill when > they are not hungry. I have a problem with someone who does it for "sport". > Hunting won't be a sport until the animals are given guns. > > > Of course it was fun. > > So much about your comments about doing it for pleasure. Do you admit to the growing of vegetables as *fun*? Anytime you take pleasure in taking matters into your own hands, it should be fun. Otherwise, all life is lost. > > > Damn, the > > implications of a day long trek and coming home empty? shit. > > If it was so much work, why not just plant a garden? That's work too, but > had the end of it you'd have SOMETHING to eat, right? Yeah, right. Take a look into the lands the US Government gave us. After the homestead act, they gave us lands that were mostly un-farmable, and the game were mostly gone. We relied on our wits, and I was taught how to get something out of nothing. My credo, "if there are 2 fish in that lake, I'll get one of them" > Weren't you just talking about how gross a slaughterhouse and a chicken > factory were? I'm sorry, but I don't see any difference in gutting your own > or having someone else do it. You may be doing it in a cleaner workspace, > but the process still seems gross to me. Processed foods, you mean. It's different if you do it yourself. > By cool, do you mean there was a certain amount of pleasure involved? Absolutely. I would hope that hunting down an elk would give me more pleasure than a soccer mom buying hot dogs at the local Safeway. > When I was poor, I found that grains, beans, fruits and vegetables went much > further than meat. I subsisted rather well on a vegetarian diet when I had > no money. Now that I do have (some) money, I still subsist rather well on a > vegetarian diet. As a matter of fact, I've gained 15 lbs. since switching to > a veggie diet, so I don't think it's likely that a person can go hungry from > a veggie lifestyle. Again, try farming on the majority of Indian Rez's around. hehe, good luck. You'll find yourself yearning for fresh vegatables for sure. The nearest veggie stand is off the Rez, and white folks in N. Minnesota don't take kindly to Injuns swarming about their stores. Just ask the cops awaiting patiently outside the Rez border. geez. > > You also made it sound as if it was a thrilling, exciting adventure. You > made it a point in a previous e-mail to specifically describe yourself as an > experienced hunter. Now, we may just be splitting *hares* over semantics, > but, to me at least, a "hunter" is someone who does it for the thrill, not > for survival. Thrill=Survival > At least you're taking a higher ground than the Makah Indians who insisted > on whale hunting in order to preserve their "traditions". As people change, > so do traditions. You're treading upon shallow waters here. If I were in a worse mood, I'd really get pissed off for that statement. See interleague play and the designated hitter if you > don't believe me. yah, Edgar Martinez gets screwed, and has to play first base. Big whoop. Fuck it, I'm waiting for football season. > > > My Uncle Steve taught me to spear fish, and get beaver tails. He also > > taught me to jar maple syrup. All can be sold for precious money. Tree > > hugging? Sorry dude, we jabbed that stick right into that screaming tree > > and sucked the life out of it. We needed money. > > Sometimes we have to unlearn things. Not me. My roots are my steadying rock, and if I need to resort to the food chain, it would not be for pleasure. I have the skills and know-how to do it. I survive, and my people survived. Let's try it, Glen. C'mon up to the Rez and plant a garden. The wolves and wild dogs would tear it up in a heartbeat. What a fukkin joke. > > For example, my dad taught me to be a bigoted, misogynistic, paranoid who > thought that the Jews ran the banks, all Italians were in the Mafia and no > one could be a good person unless they were a U.S.-born white Christian > male. He also had lots of guns and encouraged me to learn to use them. I > ignored all that and decided I might best be benefit society and myself by > evolving past that shit. As Bill Hicks once said, "Evolution did not end > with us growing thumbs. We need to evolve new ideas." I would like to think > that we as a species have evolved beyond the need to kill for profit and/or > pleasure, but every day I'm reminded that that's not the case. > > > fuck you. > > That was uncalled for. Fuck you again > > > Last year, the DNR was offering a 50 dollar bounty on beaver tail. It seems > > the beaver were doing beaver things like building dams. I abhored the > > killing of them, but damn, I was poor. I like beavers. They're cool, and > > don't really bother anyone. The DNR thought differently. So Uncle Steve > > and brought the boat upriver, and drifted down through the night, flashing > > our lights on the banks looking for the tell-tale eyes. 50 bucks? hell > > yes. Steve's transmission was sticking, and I needed to start getting gas > > money together to make it back to Seattle. > > You keep proving my point here. Every time you mention hunting or trapping > or whatever, you seem to justify it by saying you needed money. See my > comments above about the human race not evolving past the point of killing > for profit. and again...My offer stands, Glen. C'mon up to the Rez. Your tree hugging ass wouldn't last one day. Of course, I forgot. You could find a job (good luck, they only hire to relatives), and plant a garden. And the tribal police would be most kind to you, of course. Fukkin hippie do gooder they'd say, take you along the lake and beat you senseless. Believe me, I've been there. I still have a scar. > Why don't we agree to disagree? These are some of the same arguments I have > with my dad all the time and they never go anywhere. All they do is serve to > cause more and more anger leading to each side saying ever more increasingly > hurtful things without really resolving anything or enlightening the other > side. > > I don't mean to attack you personally and I wouldn't have said anything at > all had it not been for the comment about shooting the dog. That was a sarcastic comment. Debora and I spent one thousand dollars in 6 weeks trying to save our pet rats. Yep, my beloved rats. We finally had to cave in, and let them go. I cried. Yep, Rat Roxy died in my arms and I cried. > > Don't put me in your killfile just yet! No way, dude. This is just getting interesting. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:48:49 -0400 From: johann johann Subject: Re: extra cd-r fegs, as promised... >rather than make it first come/first served, i'll give everyone a shot at >this. if you'd like the set, send me (not the list) your guess as to what >the mileage on my car is. the closest guess i receive by tuesday night gets >the discs. i'll give you a hint: it's between 100,000 and 200,000 miles. the actual retail mileage on my car as of this evening is...159,250! so, coming in with a guess of 158,773, glen uber gets the discs. benjamin lukoff, with a guess of 160,203 was a close second. strangely, most people's guessed seemed to be right around 160,000 or 110,000. hmmm. woj p.s. no, i do not live in l.a. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:03:59 -0400 From: nyquilthotep Subject: Re: extra cd-r >the actual retail mileage on my car as of this evening is...159,250! so, >coming in with a guess of 158,773, glen uber gets the discs. serendipitously, glen also wins today's frequent-poster award. ;) +w ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #188 *******************************