From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #187 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 09 : Number 187 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) ["Randy R." ] Re: and while looking around at meme.com ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) [Christopher Gross ] Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) [Stephen Buckalew ] Vegetarianism all over the world [Glen Uber ] Re: Eb N The Hood ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) [Stephen Buckalew ] vegetable murdering scum.... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) ["J. Brown" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:39:21 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) From: Glen Uber > Typical hunter mentality! An animal is nothing more than a disposable > commodity to you, eh? Jesus freeeking kreeeeeeeeeest. OK. Time to get serious. I don't kill animals for pleasure. Never have, never will. Shit, I'm a freekin' vegetarian!!! I only eat what I catch out of the water, or get by my own hand. I used to work in a slaughterhouse. You wanna see how our *civilized* society turns a cow into a side of beef in 35 minutes? It aint' pretty. I also used to work in a chicken factory. That was less traumatizing, but still gross. I hail from an Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota, and we hunted out of fear of going hungry. Of course it was fun. Damn, the implications of a day long trek and coming home empty? shit. But to get one, get home, gut it, dry the meat for sausages or "deer jerky" for the winter, that was cool. On my last visit to the Rez I was so poor I resorted to rabbit hunting, and selling them for 5 bucks a pop. Rabbit stew is quite delicious I might add. And the furry lining works very well in nearly anything. You may also note that in my previous story, Eb and I circled for a *head shot*. Not what you want to do if you're looking for a trophy piece, but what you want to do to take the animal down in one quick kill. The last thing I want to do is cry "but I'm an Indian" to any sort of accusations. It's an excuse used far too often. All I can really say is that often we are poor, and hungry. Government food stamps and blocks of cheese only go so far when there are few jobs offered. That's why I moved out at a young age. My Uncle Steve taught me to spear fish, and get beaver tails. He also taught me to jar maple syrup. All can be sold for precious money. Tree hugging? Sorry dude, we jabbed that stick right into that screaming tree and sucked the life out of it. We needed money. fuck you. Last year, the DNR was offering a 50 dollar bounty on beaver tail. It seems the beaver were doing beaver things like building dams. I abhored the killing of them, but damn, I was poor. I like beavers. They're cool, and don't really bother anyone. The DNR thought differently. So Uncle Steve and brought the boat upriver, and drifted down through the night, flashing our lights on the banks looking for the tell-tale eyes. 50 bucks? hell yes. Steve's transmission was sticking, and I needed to start getting gas money together to make it back to Seattle. I also stole sticks. Yep, sticks out of cranberry bushes to make tea. Oooo, tree huggers. I don't hunt out here in Seattle. My guns are kept safely back on the Rez. No need to. I don't eat meat, and I have a job. I have a crab pot and a fishing pole so that's how I satisfy my lust for *murdering* innocent things. Apologies to those I may have offended, Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:32:44 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) you know what you can do with your "tolerance", and your "friendliness"? you can stick them up your fucking shit-for-brain-ass, you fucking heathen. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:34:53 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: Re: Soundtracks/unused music Antwoman (Dub). oh, albums? how about USE YOUR ILLUSION I & II? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:37:07 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: Re: and while looking around at meme.com holy moly! i was laughing so hard watching these videos that the dude at the terminal to my immediate right asked what was up, and then starting watching them too. From: lj lindhurst Reply-To: lj lindhurst To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: and while looking around at meme.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:21 -0400 I found this: http://www.phonebashing.com (Eddie, this is right up your alley!) lj p.s., the gerbil babies are getting bigger every day: http://www.w-rabbit.com/gerbils.html - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:57:32 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Eb N The Hood Never actually touched one but this sounds like it might do the same sort of thing, though you'd need to dump your data to a computer: http://www.wizcomtech.com/products/quicklink.html > remember that catalog that used to come out, "dak"? it was > always filled up > with "cutting edge" stuff, mostly electronical in nature (though i do > remember that they had a tent that you just threw up into the air, and it > "sprung" into shape, landing as a fully "pitched" (though it was > factually a > dome, if i remember correctly) tent). i bought my first cd player from > them. anyhow, they always used to have this hand-held > photocopier in there. > i guess it was about 4 inches wide, and you'd just swipe down the paper > you wanted to duplicate, and it would spit out a copy onto its "on-site" > paper roll. i'd like to get one of those. anybody know where i can find > one, if they're still made? (the "dak" company is long since out of > business.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) > Typical hunter mentality! An animal is nothing more than a disposable > commodity to you, eh? > > Let's just take all the sick children in the world and shoot them too. It's [etc.] Now, I love animals and have frequent lapses into misanthropy, but I still wince whenever I see human and animal lives equated like this. Besides, putting a suffering creature out of its misery shows at least some sort of regard for it. ObGodwin'sLawBait: Hey, you know who really loved animals? Hitler! As for Vince's hunting proposal, I don't think he wanted to shoot Eb; I think he was suggesting that he and Eb go out hunting the elusive Minnesota Rush-Loving Quail. (Unfortunately for his plan, the only surviving specimen is believed to be way off in New York.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:29:21 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) On 11.07.2000 12:17, Christopher Gross wrote: > >> Typical hunter mentality! An animal is nothing more than a disposable >> commodity to you, eh? >> >> Let's just take all the sick children in the world and shoot them too. It's > [etc.] > > Now, I love animals and have frequent lapses into misanthropy, but I still > wince whenever I see human and animal lives equated like this. I was trying to be cynical. I'm sorry the tone of voice didn't translate well/ > Besides, > putting a suffering creature out of its misery shows at least some sort of > regard for it. I totallyagree. However, don't you think that taking it to a vet for a shot is a lot more humane and compassionate than shooting it? I do. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Kids are the best! You can teach them to hate the same things you hate. And these days they pretty much raise themselves, what with the Internet and all." --Homer Simpson +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Eb N The Hood On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, The Kielbasa Kid wrote: > anyhow, they always used to have this hand-held photocopier in there. > i guess it was about 4 inches wide, and you'd just swipe down the paper > you wanted to duplicate, and it would spit out a copy onto its "on-site" > paper roll. i'd like to get one of those. anybody know where i can find > one, if they're still made? (the "dak" company is long since out of > business.) I remember those quite vividly. A search for "handheld copier" yielded a few results. It looks like the whole thing's gone high-tech. But one of the cooler models is this thing by HP: http://www.capshare.hp.com/ > < URL:http://www.thesunlink.com/news/2000/july/070574167.html >. > > (except that, aren't most e-mail "clients" structured so that "clicking" on > a so-called "hyperlink" will result in the program "launching" the system's > "default" browser and opening the relevant "world wide web" site? in other > words, isn't it impossible to "double-click" on a so-called "hyperlink"?) Actually, you got that half right: The point is to have spaces on either side of the actual URL so that other characters are not appended or prepended to the URL proper by mistake. This wasn't a request to help me with my client in particular, but to make out adopted scheme. But as for my client (ahem), it is a text-based client and, in its current configuration, doesn't know what a mouse is or where I'm pointing and clicking at any given moment. I do use my mouse to highlight items of interest for pasting into other documents or applications, however. And for those of you that have never used a unix system with mouse interface, it is customary for a double-click of the primary mouse button to highlight the word under the pointer from end to end and a triple-click to highlight from that word to the end of the line. A highlight is like a "select" and anything highlighted is put in a special buffer whence it can be "pasted" with the use of the middle mouse button (this is one of the MANY reasons why a three-button mouse is pretty much essential). Just so you know. Now, I CAN use the right arrow key to "follow" a url (be it a mail link or web address or ftp link or whatever), but for http this fires off lynx and unfortunately most of the web pages refered to here are unnavigable without graphics. All done. J.-- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:34:23 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) Hitler was a vegetarian you know...... :-0 flame shields up Cap'n! S.B. >ObGodwin'sLawBait: Hey, you know who really loved animals? Hitler! > >As for Vince's hunting proposal, I don't think he wanted to shoot Eb; I >think he was suggesting that he and Eb go out hunting the elusive >Minnesota Rush-Loving Quail. (Unfortunately for his plan, the only >surviving specimen is believed to be way off in New York.) > >--Chris > >______________________________________________________________________ >Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >chrisg@gwu.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:34:07 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) On 11.07.2000 12:17, Christopher Gross wrote: > ObGodwin'sLawBait: Hey, you know who really loved animals? Hitler! Enough of that! - -- Cheers! - -g- "Porn will get you through times with no people better than people will get you through times with no porn." --apologies to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:31:57 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) On 11.07.2000 11:39, Randy R. wrote: > Shit, I'm a freekin' vegetarian!!! I only eat what I catch out of the water, > or get by my own hand. Then you're not a vegetarian. > I used to work in a slaughterhouse. You wanna see how our > *civilized* society turns a cow into a side of beef in 35 minutes? It aint' > pretty. I also used to work in a chicken factory. That was less > traumatizing, but still gross. You're preaching to the choir here. > I hail from an Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota, and we hunted out > of fear of going hungry. I have some respect for that. I don't fault someone who is hungry killing as a matter of survival. After all, humans are the only animals who kill when they are not hungry. I have a problem with someone who does it for "sport". Hunting won't be a sport until the animals are given guns. > Of course it was fun. So much about your comments about doing it for pleasure. > Damn, the > implications of a day long trek and coming home empty? shit. If it was so much work, why not just plant a garden? That's work too, but had the end of it you'd have SOMETHING to eat, right? > But to get > one, get home, gut it, dry the meat for sausages or "deer jerky" for the > winter, Eeeeewww... Weren't you just talking about how gross a slaughterhouse and a chicken factory were? I'm sorry, but I don't see any difference in gutting your own or having someone else do it. You may be doing it in a cleaner workspace, but the process still seems gross to me. One of the reasons I decided to become a vegetarian was because I knew that, no matter what the circumstances might be, I couldn't kill an animal for food and I felt like a hypocrite having others do the dirty work for me. So any kind of killing, gutting, plucking, etc. is gross to me whether its done in a slaughterhouse or in a friend's kitchen. > that was cool. By cool, do you mean there was a certain amount of pleasure involved? > On my last visit to the Rez I was so poor I resorted > to rabbit hunting, and selling them for 5 bucks a pop. Rabbit stew is quite > delicious I might add. And the furry lining works very well in nearly > anything. When I was poor, I found that grains, beans, fruits and vegetables went much further than meat. I subsisted rather well on a vegetarian diet when I had no money. Now that I do have (some) money, I still subsist rather well on a vegetarian diet. As a matter of fact, I've gained 15 lbs. since switching to a veggie diet, so I don't think it's likely that a person can go hungry from a veggie lifestyle. > You may also note that in my previous story, Eb and I circled for a *head > shot*. Not what you want to do if you're looking for a trophy piece, but > what you want to do to take the animal down in one quick kill. You also made it sound as if it was a thrilling, exciting adventure. You made it a point in a previous e-mail to specifically describe yourself as an experienced hunter. Now, we may just be splitting *hares* over semantics, but, to me at least, a "hunter" is someone who does it for the thrill, not for survival. > The last thing I want to do is cry "but I'm an Indian" to any sort of > accusations. It's an excuse used far too often. All I can really say is > that often we are poor, and hungry. Government food stamps and blocks of > cheese only go so far when there are few jobs offered. That's why I moved > out at a young age. At least you're taking a higher ground than the Makah Indians who insisted on whale hunting in order to preserve their "traditions". As people change, so do traditions. See interleague play and the designated hitter if you don't believe me. > My Uncle Steve taught me to spear fish, and get beaver tails. He also > taught me to jar maple syrup. All can be sold for precious money. Tree > hugging? Sorry dude, we jabbed that stick right into that screaming tree > and sucked the life out of it. We needed money. Sometimes we have to unlearn things. For example, my dad taught me to be a bigoted, misogynistic, paranoid who thought that the Jews ran the banks, all Italians were in the Mafia and no one could be a good person unless they were a U.S.-born white Christian male. He also had lots of guns and encouraged me to learn to use them. I ignored all that and decided I might best be benefit society and myself by evolving past that shit. As Bill Hicks once said, "Evolution did not end with us growing thumbs. We need to evolve new ideas." I would like to think that we as a species have evolved beyond the need to kill for profit and/or pleasure, but every day I'm reminded that that's not the case. > fuck you. That was uncalled for. > Last year, the DNR was offering a 50 dollar bounty on beaver tail. It seems > the beaver were doing beaver things like building dams. I abhored the > killing of them, but damn, I was poor. I like beavers. They're cool, and > don't really bother anyone. The DNR thought differently. So Uncle Steve > and brought the boat upriver, and drifted down through the night, flashing > our lights on the banks looking for the tell-tale eyes. 50 bucks? hell > yes. Steve's transmission was sticking, and I needed to start getting gas > money together to make it back to Seattle. You keep proving my point here. Every time you mention hunting or trapping or whatever, you seem to justify it by saying you needed money. See my comments above about the human race not evolving past the point of killing for profit. > I also stole sticks. Yep, sticks out of cranberry bushes to make tea. > Oooo, tree huggers. Now *THAT* sounds yummy! > I don't hunt out here in Seattle. Why not? I lived in Seattle long enough to know there's plenty to hunt if you go to the right bars! I always seemed to bag some good specimens in the U District! ;-) > Apologies to those I may have offended, Ditto. Why don't we agree to disagree? These are some of the same arguments I have with my dad all the time and they never go anywhere. All they do is serve to cause more and more anger leading to each side saying ever more increasingly hurtful things without really resolving anything or enlightening the other side. I don't mean to attack you personally and I wouldn't have said anything at all had it not been for the comment about shooting the dog. I took it to mean that you thought an animal's life isn't worth anything and I took offense to that. I should have confined my comments to that statement alone, but the rant bug got inside my fingers and I spewed some unnecessary vitriol. Don't put me in your killfile just yet! - -- Cheers! - -g- "I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:56:53 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Foot in mouth tastes like chicken On 11.07.2000 11:00, The Great Quail wrote: > In fact, I hesitate to post this, because the > Feg that sent the animal rights post is a friend, and I don't want to > single him out; he's got a right to his opinions, too. I hope you guys realize that, even though I do work for a major animal protection group, I am not another animal rights weirdo. My fiancee is a carnivore, I still own and wear leather shoes and don't really have a problem with zoos (circuses and marine mammal parks are another story, however). As a matter of fact, I get shit from all sides: my family and friends for being a "plant-lover"; and my co-workers for *only* being a vegetarian (they're all vegans). My co-workers would probably lynch me if they knew that I am planning to wear a kilt made of wool at my upcoming wedding. I'm not giving up cheese or honey for them or anyone else! I don't like being harrassed by the vegan police any more than the lot of you like being harrassed by me and my misanthropic and occassionally self-important viewpoints. I don't really mean to be an asshole, but sometimes it happens. Quail can attest to the fact that I really am a nice fella despite my my occassional lapses of propriety and good sense! > But > occasionally I think we could be a bit more friendly with our > opposing opinions, if not more tolerant.... I should have looked before I leapt. At the very least I should have chosen my words more carefully or kept my yap shut instead of writing on impulse. In the future, I will think long and hard about what I want to say and not just jump in with some snide comment that is designed to bait someone. I'll also cut it with the ad hominem attacks. I have a reputation to uphold around here. - -- Cheers! - -g- "The revolution will not be televised but it will have its own web site." - --Glen Uber, 25 April 2000 (apologies to Gil Scott-Heron) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:28 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Vegetarianism all over the world On 11.07.2000 13:34, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > Hitler was a vegetarian you know...... Yeah? Well, Jeffery Dahmer was a meat-eater. I've had to debate this point endlessly in the past. Here I go again. Hitler was a vegetarian on the recommendation of his doctor who suggested he cut meat out of his diet. The Nazi propoganda machine played it up and tried to equate Hitler's vegetarianism with that of Gandhi's. It was hoped that Hitler would be seen as a compassionate, saintly man on par with Gandhi. In reality, when Hitler was out from under the watchful eye of his doctor, he used to order his chef to make him meat-filled ravioli for meals. The beef or pork was kept well hidden inside the shell of the ravioli and no one could tell what he was eating. That is completely contrary to Gandhi who, when ordered by his doctor to eat beef broth during an illness, refused. His reasoning was that the broth may make his body feel better physically, but it would be detrimental for the well-being of his soul. - -- Cheers! - -g- "I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:30:59 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: Re: Eb N The Hood you realise that it does *not* support linux? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:31:40 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) >One of the reasons I decided to become a vegetarian was because I knew that, >no matter what the circumstances might be, I couldn't kill an animal for >food Glen, I highly respect vegans and vegetarians, but I have trouble believing this particular statement. I think it's highly suspect to say *what* you would do if you were starving to death. We are animals, programmed by biology to *survive*. Because you live in the western world (I assume), I doubt if you've really ever been "starving" (I could be wrong about this...my apologies if I am). My bets would be that if you were really starving, and there was meat available, you would eat it if you could catch it, because humans are animals, omnivores to be exact, with incisors for cutting through muscle tissue, and your brain would tell you to eat the food available to survive. Your human capacity for reasoning might enable you to allow yourself to die rather than eat meat, but I don't think that's a certainty. (just on the cranky side today....) S.B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:36:16 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Vegetarianism all over the world Glen....this was a ***JOKE***, sheeese....I could give a shit what hitler or dahmer ate.... S.B. At 02:09 PM 7/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >On 11.07.2000 13:34, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > >> Hitler was a vegetarian you know...... > >Yeah? Well, Jeffery Dahmer was a meat-eater. I've had to debate this point >endlessly in the past. Here I go again. > >Hitler was a vegetarian on the recommendation of his doctor who suggested he >cut meat out of his diet. The Nazi propoganda machine played it up and tried >to equate Hitler's vegetarianism with that of Gandhi's. It was hoped that >Hitler would be seen as a compassionate, saintly man on par with Gandhi. > >In reality, when Hitler was out from under the watchful eye of his doctor, >he used to order his chef to make him meat-filled ravioli for meals. The >beef or pork was kept well hidden inside the shell of the ravioli and no one >could tell what he was eating. That is completely contrary to Gandhi who, >when ordered by his doctor to eat beef broth during an illness, refused. His >reasoning was that the broth may make his body feel better physically, but >it would be detrimental for the well-being of his soul. > >-- > >Cheers! >-g- > >"I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. >I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything >connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, >the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women >warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >Glen Uber >uberg@sonic.net >http://www.sonic.net/~uberg > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Eb N The Hood On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, The Kielbasa Kid wrote: > http://www.capshare.hp.com/> > > you realise that it does *not* support linux? You mean the MANUFACTURER doesn't write software to support their hardware under linux. Fine by me. The free software community doesn't need hardware vendors to write software for them (they usually obfuscate the code and fuck up the implementations anyway). As long as the manufacturer doesn't attempt to sue every reverse engineer out there, everyone gets along fine (and yeah, it's REALLY nice if the manufacturer publishes specifications). Olympus doesn't "support linux" either, but I have an Olympus digital camera and gphoto works with it just fine. Remember, corporate "support" of software is what got us into this mess in the first place. That is all. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:22 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: vegetable murdering scum.... To further pile up on Glen, I should offer that he is a fan of the Oakland Raiders "football team." Not sure if he deserves our disdain or pity for that, though. At least, it may discount some amount of moral authority. Glen also likes to listen to the sound of the horrid mistreatment of large rubber sharks. I don't think he's completely off the hook. - -the evil perpetrator of sizeable rubber shark mistreatment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:01:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Hunting (Tree hugging hippie crap content 100%) > One of the reasons I decided to become a vegetarian was because I knew that, > no matter what the circumstances might be, I couldn't kill an animal for > food. what if the chicken died of a stroke or the cow died of heart disease? Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:35 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Vegetarianism all over the world On 11.07.2000 14:36, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > > Glen....this was a ***JOKE***, sheeese....I could give a shit what hitler > or dahmer ate.... Another case of tone of voice not translating well. Oh boy. We must have all woken up on the wrong side of the bed today, eh? Maybe I'll just lurk the rest of the day. - -- Cheers! - -g- "I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #187 *******************************