From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #183 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 8 2000 Volume 09 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: o quebec! o canada! part 329 [overbury@cn.ca] "Sunday? That's Simchas Torah!" [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: o quebec! o canada! part 329 ["Noe Shalev" ] Re: "Sunday? That's Simchik Torah!" [Capuchin ] territorial not ethnic; "Don't fear the Non vote..." [tim fuller and rand] Dr. Cranky [The Great Quail ] Re: Dr. Cranky [Ken Ostrander ] Silliness ["Thomas, Ferris" ] RE: territorial not ethnic; "Don't fear the Non vote..." [Cynthia Peterso] Re: random hype [Ken Ostrander ] Re: random hype [hbrandt ] Bainbridge Secessionists! ["J. Brown" ] OT: word games [Fwd: A Small Call for Help] (fwd) [KELLERE@uk.ibm.com] Re: OT: word games [Fwd: A Small Call for Help] (fwd) [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:41:31 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: o quebec! o canada! part 329 > > > Tim Fuller said: > > Fact is, when we were watching the last referendum, we (sorry but I am > > 'outing' Randi as a 'Oui' supporter with explanation) felt that Quebec > > *should* go. It was as much a point of saying, "Yeah, they're right!" > > as much as, "Fine, stop kvetching and leave already!" It seemed that > > things had gotten so divisive that there was no turning back, which I > > think is exactly what Mssrs. Parizeau and Bouchard intended. > Mike Godwin: > 2 Qs: > > 1) What is 'kvetching'? Doesn't sound Eng. or Fr. > Yiddish, possibly? Or Platt-Deutsch? Kvetching is complaining. Kvetch is Yiddish. What I want to know is why did Randi (and an english- speaking acquaintence of mine) support "oui" instead of supporting "yes"? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:19:47 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: "Sunday? That's Simchas Torah!" > What is 'kvetching'? Doesn't sound Eng. or Fr. > Yiddish, possibly? Or Platt-Deutsch? I'm sure others will reply to this, but "kvetching" is Yiddish for "complaining" or (more idiomatically) "bitching." I suggest that anyone interested in the colorful world of the Yiddish language have a look at Leo Rosten's excellent book "The Joys of Yiddish." In fact, I learned more Yiddish from that book than I did from my mishpoche... err, my family. :P fermished n. p.s. Free the Upper Peninsula of Michigan!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:28:28 +0200 From: "Noe Shalev" Subject: Re: o quebec! o canada! part 329 >1) What is 'kvetching'? Doesn't sound Eng. or Fr. > Yiddish, possibly? Or Platt-Deutsch? It is an Eng form of the Yiddish word Kvetch, it means Squeeze, or Squeezed, It is used in modern Hebrew slang as for mashed or bad fruits or vegs, or anything which is mashy, usualy in the bad sense. Noe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: "Sunday? That's Simchik Torah!" On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > p.s. Free the Upper Peninsula of Michigan!! I'll get my hacksaw. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:42:06 -0400 From: tim fuller and randi spiegel Subject: territorial not ethnic; "Don't fear the Non vote..." Natalie: > > > n., who once pissed off her parents by buying a Quebecois flag and > > > waving it out the car window screaming "Free Quebec!" during a trip > > > through Ontario Michael Godwin: > > I think you mean "Vive le Quebec libre!" Ross: > Of course she didn't! Everybody knows that Quebec's nationalism > is territorial, not ethnic. Tim Fuller wrote: I don't think any of us who heard Mssr. Parizeau blame 'The Money' and 'The Ethnics' for the 'Non' side loss can see that distinction so clearly. The leaders of the separatist movement often said that the 'Non' side would win easily if only the 'pur laine' were voting. By this they appeared to mean the multi-generational Quebecer, from original French (France) stock. For the record - it was a shocking and dramatic speech and signalled a kamikaze end to his career. He said it early in the brief speech but most of the folks in the crowd who heard it were too busy dealing with open mouths and bulging eyes... (http://www.uni.ca/money_ethnics.html) > > Tim Fuller said: > > Fact is, when we were watching the last referendum, we (sorry but I am > > 'outing' Randi as a 'Oui' supporter with explanation) felt that Quebec > > *should* go. It was as much a point of saying, "Yeah, they're right!" > > as much as, "Fine, stop kvetching and leave already!" It seemed that > > things had gotten so divisive that there was no turning back, which I > > think is exactly what Mssrs. Parizeau and Bouchard intended. > Michael Godwin said: > 1) What is 'kvetching'? Doesn't sound Eng. or Fr. > Yiddish, possibly? Or Platt-Deutsch? Yiddish, I believe. Misappropriation of the voice? My bad. > 2) Are these Bouchards any relation of Albert and Joe of BOC fame? I have to assume that they're ancestors of Acadians or something like that and - if we can guess that at some point all folks with the same name are related - than sure, I guess...It's a pretty common name in Quebec, though. I don't suspect that Lucien could rock quite as hard, though. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:27:35 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Dr. Cranky >as for robyn hisself, i think the tomster pegged it: he's just a bit >out-of-it sometimes, and most likely doesn't even realise he's being >rude. Well, I have met Robyn a couple of times, and he was always nice. But I have to say, there have been a few times when I have seen him forced to put up with some pretty weird fans. And I don't just mean freaks who hand him a copy of Ulysses and a turnip; or midwives distributing ancient aluminum deities, I mean people who: 1. Think he's a human jukebox, in that they can place a quarter in him and he will perform to their satisfaction, and get actually quite annoying in their fixation that he exists solely to play a certain hit, speak a certain story, or just Say Something Clever; 2. Try to "out-weird" him and end up prattling on in an embarrassing manner about personal Close Encounters with Prawns and such; 3. Project onto him their most surreal fantasies, such as the time I saw a woman give him an actual toothpaste sculpture (yuck) and then go off about how "My Favorite Buildings" changed her life, and she wanted to know if he would write out all the lyrics for her in her little notebook, festooned with daisy stickers and filled with small arty ink drawings of crazy spirals and burning houses.... I mean, let's be honest -- the man attracts some real odd fans, and I can only suspect at times he would rather pull a Glenn Gould and just sort of vanish behind his recordings.... So I really can't blame him if he has off-nights. Of course, though, I am a Robert Fripp fan, so I am fairly accustomed to adopting the mind set of, say, finding myself sitting next to him on an airplane to New Zealand for twelve hours, fully prepared to turn my Discipline T-shirt inside out, and say, "King who? A musician, eh? Hm." - --The Great "I just get back from a week in London and I have eight new WHAT?" Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." --Vice President Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:56:29 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Dr. Cranky >I mean, let's be honest -- the man attracts some real odd fans, and I >can only suspect at times he would rather pull a Glenn Gould and just >sort of vanish behind his recordings.... So I really can't blame him >if he has off-nights. i get a little embarrassed by the whole wide-eyed fan meets the artist thing. of the many times i've met uncle bobby, the first time was the longest. my friend and i were two of the last to file out of the venue and found ourselves standing next to him on the sidewalk with a heineken in hand. i prattled on about how much i loved 'airscape' and had him sign my cd insert. morris and andy did too. since then, i've kept things to a minimum. "great show!" "hey robyn!" "where are the prawns!" i did make it backstage with some other fegs during the pre-moss tour and we talked about the list with him a bit. he quiped, "that's where i go when i want to find out what i'm up to." >"King who? A musician, eh? Hm." that would be fun. i don't think i could pull it off. ken "i've spent my life exploring the subtle whoring that costs too much to be free" the kenster np the mermen the amazing california health and happiness road show ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:06:54 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Silliness From the mind of one of my co-workers (and my voice hides in it somewhere, too)... www.sfguys.com (requires the flash plugin) ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:24:14 -0700 From: Cynthia Peterson Subject: RE: territorial not ethnic; "Don't fear the Non vote..." Concerning Quebec, Randi would like to state that she does not necessarily agree with Tim's views on this topic...as soon as she has e-mail access again she will be composing a detailed rebuttal! (Sorry Tim, Randi made me promise to refute you for her. But please don't get me involved. I come from the neutral state of Bainbridge Island!) Cheers all, Cynthia p.s. For those wondering, Randi has now reached my place in her travels, and will be returning to San Fransicso on Sunday. - -----Original Message----- From: tim fuller and randi spiegel [mailto:twofangs@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 10:42 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: territorial not ethnic; "Don't fear the Non vote..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:04:09 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: random hype >I've had the new Blonde Redhead album (Melody of Certain Damaged Lemons) >for over two months, but put off playing it until just the other day. > >Wow...this album is *good*! Anyone else have it? i just bought it yesterday, along with six other disks: sunny day real estate, elliott smith, sinead o'connor, xtc, saint etienne, the mermen. i was weak; but it had been a while since i'd bought anything new. i've only listened to it once; but i like it. >(all of them speak English as a second language, correct?) they're from japan and italy; so i think so. >Anyway, back to the Gerbil Diaries.... the ukulele is going to make a comeback! ken "may cause sudden bowel movements and the inability to control them" the kenster np sunny day real estate the rising tide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:26:10 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: random hype Ken Ostrander wrote: > the ukulele is going to make a comeback! Yes! In fact, on Todd Rundgren's latest CD/concert tour, he's been playing a uke version of Bang The Drum All Day/Lion Sleeps Tonight in an Hawaiian war chant arrangement that is very entertaining. He calls it "Bang On The Ukulele Daily"! /hal, just back from back to back vacations with a blown mind np: Chuck E. Weiss (w/Tom Waits)- "Do You Know What I Idi Amin?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:59:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Bainbridge Secessionists! On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Cynthia Peterson wrote: > Concerning Quebec, Randi would like to state that she does not necessarily > agree with Tim's views on this topic...as soon as she has e-mail access > again she will be composing a detailed rebuttal! (Sorry Tim, Randi made me > promise to refute you for her. But please don't get me involved. I come from > the neutral state of Bainbridge Island!) Damn Bainbridgers! Don't try to play neutral! I know you all want to Seceded from Kitsap Coutny and and either join King County or create your own! Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:12:13 +0100 From: KELLERE@uk.ibm.com Subject: OT: word games [Fwd: A Small Call for Help] (fwd) How about "attraction". This gives you "at", "tract", and "ion", with "attract" and "traction" as the two-segment combinations? Okay, so it's a bit simplistic. I'll keep thinkin'. peace, Edward ******** Edward of Sim edward@mysticinsect.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: OT: word games [Fwd: A Small Call for Help] (fwd) On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 KELLERE@uk.ibm.com wrote: > How about "attraction". > This gives you "at", "tract", and "ion", with "attract" and "traction" as > the two-segment combinations? > Okay, so it's a bit simplistic. I'll keep thinkin'. Actually, I think this is the best one yet. Neat. Je. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:56:45 GMT From: Jerry FUCKING Mathers Subject: Re: six domination of the music industry must end! . > > > > From: hbrandt > Reply-To: hbrandt > To: jesus and me > Subject: Re: random hype > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:26:10 -0600 > > Ken Ostrander wrote: > > > the ukulele is going to make a comeback! > > Yes! In fact, on Todd Rundgren's latest CD/concert tour, he's been > playing a uke version of Bang The Drum All Day/Lion Sleeps Tonight in an > Hawaiian war chant arrangement that is very entertaining. He calls it > "Bang On The Ukulele Daily"! > > /hal, just back from back to back vacations with a blown mind > > np: Chuck E. Weiss (w/Tom Waits)- "Do You Know What I Idi Amin?" - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using InviteEmail. http://www.InviteEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:51:50 -0400 From: tim fuller and randi spiegel Subject: Re: Randi Rebuttal Cynthia Peterson wrote: > Concerning Quebec, Randi would like to state that she does not necessarily > agree with Tim's views on this topic...as soon as she has e-mail access > again she will be composing a detailed rebuttal! (Sorry Tim, Randi made me > promise to refute you for her. But please don't get me involved. I come from > the neutral state of Bainbridge Island!) I am not exactly a political animal, but I don't mind a good tussle, especially when it's from someone who I've matched wits with so often before. I can't wait to see what she is going to refute, though. She was here on October 30, 1995. We watched in suspense as if it was the seventh game of the '67 finals (though I think you will find that series didn't go seven games...the Leafs one the last game, that's all I know...). We agreed after an exhausting bunch of hours that - as much as we didn't like the idea - the will of Quebec to leave seemed stronger than the will of the ROC to keep it. It was a defeat, a cathartic moment that then stopped short of fulfilment when the Non side prevailed. I suspect she will be champing at the bit all the way from SEA to SFO. Having said that, I will include Ross Overbury's feelings on this 'let 'em go' issue: "...(that's) (e)asier to say when your house doesn't suddenly become redeemable in Laurentian Francs, and your job doesn't evaporate overnight." To which I replied: "True, very true. Sometimes we tend to forget the potential 'refugee' situation should Quebec push it's point too far. If Randi is any indication, we would have a city full of disgruntled ex-Montrealers who would refuse on principal to become Torontonians but have no choice. And that would be bad, trust me!!! I sound glib when I say that, but I understand that there are anglos who feel just as rooted in the community and in the culture as francophones. I'm lucky because I've always lived in Toronto and I've never had to even imagine the concept of being displaced against my will." So you can all see that hockey is not our only national sport. This dysfunctional and long-standing relationship between the French and the English is an essential, albeit twisted and damaging, part of our psyche as a nation. But I suspect most countries have the same dynamic in some way. off to sell truckloads of Harry Potter, Tim twofangs@sympatico.ca ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #183 *******************************