From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #176 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 30 2000 Volume 09 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- find a feg [rand ] "My Little Pony!...I've seen him on telly!" [tim fuller and randi spiegel] many newscasters are canadian but... [tim fuller and randi spiegel ] Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Sinead O'Lesbian [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: "My Little Pony!...I've seen him on telly!" [overbury@cn.ca] pandemonium review [johann johann ] Re: makin' mountains out of molehills ["matt sewell" ] a glass of cold gravy with a hair in it [Natalie Jacobs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jun 2000 23:05:10 -0400 From: rand Subject: find a feg Hi, I'm trying to figure out a way to go to Seattle ... then head up to SanFran ... where hopefully i will be house-sitting for My crazy unca' nick in Menlo Park. Simone, I don't have your email addy ... as gurlmail wiped out my whole address book. Could you please write to me? Any other lurkers that would enjoy having a feg around for a few days ... anywhere between the 5th and 9th of July ... please come out of the closet and talk to me privately. Also, and lurkers near SanFran, San Jose, Palo Alto, speak up ... for I am trying to divise a plan of fun for the 10th of July to the 31st. Merci ... you should now go back to your regular {?} Robyn programming day. what scares you most will set you free, randi *having been a devout fan of various people myself ... i've probably produced similarly 'enshrinable' music. ... but i don't think this is a healthy thing ... people who idolize musicians are trying to stop up a black hole with band-aids* ~ robyn hitchcock ___________________________________________________ please ... do not --> ________________________________________________________________________ - --> get your free, private gURLmail account at http://www.gURLmail.com !! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:16:17 -0400 From: tim fuller and randi spiegel Subject: "My Little Pony!...I've seen him on telly!" James Dignan wrote: > One of my supervisors is Canadian, BTW (from > Antigonish, NS), and I know what you mean by a softer accent. Of course, > she gives herself away when she says words like house ;) gahhhh!!! the classic reference point, along with 'about' (which the world insists we pronounce 'aboot'). a rather typical Canadian accent is a blend somewhere between Scottish (Edinburgh nae Glasgow) and Native Canadian (aboriginal). Bob and Doug MacKenzie got it right I have to admit. Though, if you work with someone from 'down east' she may sound *completely* unique. Many 'urban' Canadians are picked as newscasters because it's claimed we have no accent at all. Of course, this is impossible. Once you go east of Toronto, you get into some much more folky cultures - - especially when you arrive in Newfoundland. You'd swear that there's a subway between St John's and Dublin... > >another, other question: how does the Martin Phillipps albums (with or without > >'The Chills') rank with Submarine Bells and Soft Bomb? I am putting off a big > >order to FN until I know more! The bits I've heard @ 56k mono sound quite > >good. > > I'd put the Sketchbook album above Soft Bomb, but nowhere near as high as > Submarine Bells. Sunburnt is about on par with Soft Bomb. > Yes, well I don't know why I even ask; I will end up owning all the things he's done one day. I've actually managed to see The Chills four times: once in London (opening for Mighty Lemon Drops), twice in Toronto and once in Amsterdam....also got to see The Verlaines in Toronto, too! > >But I know I will be ordering the Sneaky Feelings compilation...I think...I've > >only heard the track off 'In Love With These Times'...same goes for Snapper. > > Sneaky Feelings are a problem. They're one of my favourite NZ bands, but > that's based largely on seeing (and supporting) them live. They never fully > gelled in the studio. Their first album contained their best songs, but the > recording was on 8-track, so it's a little dodgy at times. The later stuff > was over produced. It's still well worth having, but it would have been far > better if they'd found that middle ground of production. Lead Sneaky > Matthew Bannister has since recorded an album and two EPs with the > Dribbling Darts, David Pine has just released a solo album. So the compilation is hit and miss? > Snapper - the first album (which I think was called Shotgun Blossom) is the > better one. They remind me of a harder Stereolab: walls of distorted guitar > with (usually) quiet vocals buried deep in the mix. Yes - I was just thinking that last night as I listened to In Love With These Times: they've got that Velvet Underground/Kraftwerk blend that Stereolab found...I thought it was just a fluke! > >Any suggestions? Should I at least move on to the '90s or is FN famous for the > >same few years of albums and always will be? (The offerings from 'Freak The > >Sheep' are a little less on the charming pop side and a bit too > >post-modern for > >my liking.) > > FN's best years were the 80s, but the stuff from the 90s is also well > worthwhile. Hmm... a must have list (other than the groups already > mentioned) would probably include: > > Straitjacket Fits (Melt, Hail) I think 'Hail' was released in North America very briefly. I know the other album, sort of. > Tall Dwarfs (Weeville, Fork Songs) Well, I actually have these! Weeville came out on Homestead in the States - same label as Brave Words. Fork Songs I picked up when the store I worked for was dealing with an Aussie distributor (I regret not picking up the cheap Triffids' stuff when I could've!)...I also have 3EP's which I have only dabbled with. > Chris Knox (Croaker, Seizure) Seizure I've on tape but also not really indulged much. > Look Blue Go Purple (Compilation) uh... > Jean Paul Sartre Experience (Love Songs) 'Einstein' is genius (no pun). this came out on a small label in the States and, though I don't own it, have quite a few of these songs on compilation tapes. I also liked Bleeding Star though it's a quite a different sound. > Verlaines (Way Out Where, Juvenilia) Way Out Where I thought - at times - was brilliant. Juvenalia is a compilation isn't it? The last two albums were pretty good I think but suffered an even less pleasant fate than Submarine Bells and Soft Bomb at the hand of the same label! When I saw the band (I think it was for Way Out Where) I inadvertently ran into Graeme Downes in the 'lav' almost immediately after the show; he seemed one step away from a nervous breakdown...I tried to let him know that the show was excellent: that much outflow of energy and emotion would leave anyone distraught...is this why he decided to get out of the rock star business? Enquiring minds need to know! > 3Ds (The Venus Trail) > Stereobus (Brand New) > Able Tasmans (? recently released best of) > Superette (Tiger) > Headless Chickens (Body Blow) > David Mulcahy (Oddy Knocky) OK - I am outdone...my list finished six bands ago! > >I will gladly remaster my increasingly rare (magnetic particle is falling > >off as > >I speak) Tall Dwarfs Profile tape, though you probably had lunch with Alec and > >Chris last weekend so you don't need this kind of thing : ) > > oiops, yup I've been namedropping a bit... Actually I don't know either > Chris or Alec. That tape sounds interesting... Dunedin's a pretty small > city (120,000), so it's pretty difficult NOT to know at least a couple of > well-known musicians (especially since I worked in student radio here for > several years). > No, no - I think it's great to be part of such a community and you certainly don't come across as a name dropper. Fear not! > >Another, other, final (promise) question: I have a tape that I made from a > >double CD compilation of NZ pop...it's got a song with the refrain, "There > >is no > >depression in New Zealand..." It's quite clever - rather frantic in a late > >'70s > >kinda way...Do you know who this is and, if so, do they have anything out? > > That is the classic song "There is no Depression in New Zealand" by Blam > Blam Blam, who had a compilation CD out (can't remember the label offhand, > but I could look it up... Lead Blam Don McGlashan is one of NZ's top > musicians, notably in recent years with the Muttonbirds (whose albums "The > Muttonbirds" and "Envy of Angels" are essential, IMHO...) > Randi's got 'Envy of Angels' though I certainly never in a million years would've or could've made that connection! > :) if you need any help tracking any of these albums down, let me know... I > might be able to help out... thanks muchly...of course, if there any Canadian bands you are curious about (oh, wait, that's unlikely...) I can and will track them down...unfortunately most of our talent gets bought up by our neighbours to the south and then we can't tell anymore if they're 'Canadian' or 'North American'. Actually, my favourite Canadian band is Max Webster, but they're more in the Frank Zappa meets Rush dept. And, although Randi officially hates them and drunken college kids love 'em, The Tragically Hip are consistently good in a 'working man's thinking band' kind of way. The Rheostatics are (were?) pretty special but it's very hard when you're a little country (30 million but the brain drain continues...) staring at the biggest nation on the earth. Musicians up here usually reach an existential crisis which often ends in tragedy as they get kicked off Geffen after two poorly marketed albums. Oh, wait, that's the same for most bands....oh! oh! Sloan! Sloan are our Posies and that can't be bad. 'Navy Blues' is a masterpiece and I don't think I am going over the top... thanks for your offer and hope you will have a good winter (errr, right?), happy trails, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:37:16 -0400 From: tim fuller and randi spiegel Subject: many newscasters are canadian but... ...that doesn't mean that many canadians are newscasters. most aren't. When I said, "Many 'urban' Canadians are picked as newscasters because it's claimed we have no accent at all", I meant to say, Many 'urban' Canadians are picked as newscasters *for American television*. This is an important distinction as some feg logicians may agree. Most of us are professional hockey players, though. I know I am!. timofrandiandtimfame ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:12:54 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Randy Newman in NYC Well, I feel absolutely COMPELLED to tell you all about the Randy Newman show. He played for **free** at Central Park Summerstage tonight. Jonathan Richman opened up for him, and Randy played a good couple of hours. It was an amazing show-- the first time I'd ever seen him! I was really excited, and we stood right up front. There were amazingly very few zealous fans up there-- just me and another guy who was booting the show (who kept yelling a request for "Tickle Me"), so we had the whole immediate front of the stage to ourselves, right in front of his piano. I got a number of pictures of him performing, and I also met him afterwards and got a few pictures of us together (god knows I'm going to put that digital camera to good use). Here's a couple: http://www.w-rabbit.com/dumbstuff/randynewman2.html http://www.w-rabbit.com/dumbstuff/randynewman3.html If anyone wants to see the pictures of him performing, just drop me a line and I will happily send them along... He was a super nice guy to meet in person! I could NOT believe I was meeting him-- I stammered, "you're one of my HEROES!" and he was like, "Oh really?" And I said, "Oh yes, I spent many an angst-filled teenage afternoon listening to you!" He seemed to really like that. And then went on to ask me my name, and to speculate that it stood for "Lionel Johnson". I was in heaven. I can't begin to GUSH enough about how much this tickled me, meeting Randy Newman and posing for a picture with him.. I am in a total WEENIE FAN GIRL FRENZY right now, and I don't care HOW MUCH EB MAKES FUN OF ME!! This was one of the most memorable moments of my entire life. The show was incredible, too, by the way. Probably one of the best shows I've ever been to, in fact. I did not want it to end, and EVERY song was incredible. I wish he would tour and perform more-- this was truly a treat. oh oh oh!!! I'm insane!!!! lj - -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Hey Mikey, whatever happened to the fucking Duke of Earl?" --Randy Newman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) overbury@cn.ca wrote: > On 28 Jun 00, at 23:49, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > and does anyone know > > who did "hold back the night" (i know the other cover was an > > ednaswap). > > Graham Parker wrote a song called "Hold Back the Night". I don't > know if that's what you're talking about or not. A lyrical > snippet: > > "Hold back the night /Turn on the light/Don't want to dream about > you, baby." > > Is that what you're talking about? It's on the poppier-than-usual > Pink Parker EP. i doubt it, since the song is listed as copywritten in 1998, and as written by robert hodgens, or something to that effect. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: makin' mountains out of molehills Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > I once saw Perry Ferrell late to get onstage, because he was > "getting blown off" by a fan backstage (but not so far backstage > that thousands of people couldn't see what was going on.) I was > at the show to see They Might Be Giants, but was impressed with > PF's stage presence, post-orgasmic or not. considering you're talking about Perry Farrell, wouldn't that have just been the opening part of the set? ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Sinead O'Lesbian "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > No, O'Connor claims that she is a lesbian and has been for some time > but was (my paraphrase) afraid to come out. > > I wish I could believe this, but it seems absurd even by her > standards. I could easily accept that she is bisexual and while she > has previously favored men she now favors women, perhaps > exclusively. But her "always been a lesbian" (again, not a real > quote) story doesn't ring true to me. She doesn't strike me as the > sort of person who would masquerade as a woman who loves > men in her lyrics, even if she would in interviews and such. from what i read, it was more like, she's always been a lesbian, but she's also been very uncomfortable with those feelings and tried to deny them, which is why she has been involved with men in the past. sort of a denial thing, that she's now coming to terms with. she'd hardly be the first person to try to repress homoerotic feelings with heteroerotic actions. > And if she _is_ a bisexual who now favors women exclusively, why > shouldn't she call herself a lesbian? Well, she can do whatever she > likes, and many women I respect much more highly than O'Connor have > done the same. It's the historical revisionism that bothers me, if in > fact that's what's going on. > > The big coming-out story appeared in _Curve_ but I read about it > secondhand, so I may have interpreted what she said incorrectly. > Sorry I don't have a URL handy, but I'd bet the fan sites are > carrying some info. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:04:02 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: "My Little Pony!...I've seen him on telly!" > gahhhh!!! the classic reference point, along with 'about' (which the > world insists > we pronounce 'aboot'). a rather typical Canadian accent is a blend > somewhere > between Scottish (Edinburgh nae Glasgow) and Native Canadian > (aboriginal). Bob and > Doug MacKenzie got it right I have to admit. Tim, are you from Northern Ontario? > Once you go east of Toronto, you get into some much more folky cultures To a Montrealer, Torontonians sound a tad more American. Just a tad. A couple of years after my sister moved to Ontario I could hear the difference. And you guys say "pop" instead of "soft drink". Fascinating, eh? > > Randi's got 'Envy of Angels' though I certainly never in a million > years would've or could've made that connection! Envy of Angels - yum! > Actually, my > favourite Canadian > band is Max Webster, but they're more in the Frank Zappa meets Rush > dept. A few weeks ago I was thinking that a time or two the list has discussed bands that you'd like others to hear that they likely hadn't. If I'd have had my wits about me, I'd have suggested Max Webster. I miss them. Kim Mitchell's solo stuff doesn't interest me. > The Rheostatics are (were?) pretty special but it's very hard when > you're a > little country and little bit rock'n'roll > (30 million but the brain drain continues...) staring at > the > biggest nation on the earth. I picked up a Rheostatics CD for a buck or something and I couldn't for the life of me understand how it ended up in the cheapies bin. Very enjoyable stuff. 'bye, eh? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:16:58 -0400 From: johann johann Subject: pandemonium review Grant Lee Phillips and Robyn Hitchcock at the Crocodile Cafe, Seattle, 6/22/2000 Live Review By Charles Redell Before every show I review, there’s this moment of abject fear. I stand there in the club thinking that there’s no way I’ll have anything to say. I picture myself sitting for hours, staring at my screen, while millions of you sit, waiting to know how the show really was. But tonite I knew would be different. There’s isn’t a possibility that a show by Robyn Hitchcock and Grant Lee Phillips could leave me blank. There’s too much energy in their presence, too much pathos in their songs, and most importantly of all, they are consummate entertainers unable to leave an audience wowed. Something tonite onstage at the Crocodile would put my brain in gear and get the words flowing. Now, here I am at the opposite end of the spectrum. My mind is awash with images and words while my fingers race along the keyboard unable to keep up. There is so much to process and so much to keep up with that I feel overloaded with things to tell you. I know: Every writer should have such problems. How did this happen? Two men got up on stage with a sublime sense for entertaining and a remarkable talent for keeping audiences engaged and tried, while playing perfectly with each other, to always outdo one another too. They put on a show made up of their absolutely wonderful songs, hilarious interludes between those songs, and a tribute to the pop music history that allows them to exist as the entertainers they are today. They have a sensibility about that popular music that not only allows them to write beautiful songs and lyrics, but also to write silly or cheesy songs that knock you on the floor while they leave you laughing in the aisles. Instead of being turned off by the inherent cheese of a lyric like: "I watered the tomatoes and I think of you/no one’s ever watered me the way you do/…" one knows Hitchcock means what he sings, and the image is the only one he had available at the time. True popular music, good popular music, as an art, is not forced or contrived. Rather, it’s meant to entertain and to bring an audience into a performer’s life for a night. Grant Lee and Robyn are masters at this. Although very similar in style (both play acoustic guitars and both write lyrics that’ll kill you with their beautiful simplicity), they are different enough so as to be perfectly complementary. For each song, one was able to concentrate on either singing or playing his guitar while the other did the opposite. Now this is not intended to mean that either is not fully capable of doing both at the same time. They both are. But because these two men are so completely on the same page musically, one is able to take over front man duties (singing) and the other gets to be the hands (playing the guitar) on each song. The result, if you close your eyes, is hearing a beautiful singer play his guitar as if it were a physical extension of himself. Of course, each song was not just sung by one or the other. They took full of advantage of their wide talents by harmonizing their familiar songs in new ways too. Grant Lee’s voice is high and melodic. Robyn’s is much closer to a baritone. Full and rich, he can get down to the notes that I think Grant would like to hit, but is just not built to. Together they create two completely different tones that, through hard work on the part of their producers, mix and play together in a quite melodic and, at times, haunting way. Anyone who has ever seen Robyn Hitchcock or Grant Lee Phillips play solo or with one of their bands knows that they are first and foremost entertainers. This is why I first fell in love with Grant Lee Buffalo (Grant’s most recent band). Coming from a theatre background, I was enamored that first time because it was so much more than a rock show. It was an event, a chance to entertain an audience for hours and a chance for him to shine. Apparently the same is true for Robyn Hitchcock (before tonite I had never seen him play). Every song warrants a story, every story, a joke. Whether they are playing a song or killing time while they tune up or fix a broken string, the show never stops for either of them. There is always something going on for the audience to watch. There are stories and jokes, magic tricks and one liners galore. Grant showed us a few of the ways he can play his hair, and Robyn talked about any little thing that occurred to him as soon as it did. But beyond the stories and the standard songs of theirs that they both played, we were also treated to an informal tribute to pop music. Covers abounded. Not the least of which were one of "Are You Experienced" by Jimi Hendrix, and one of "A Day in the Life" from Sgt. Pepper’s. The Jimi cover fully exemplified everything a cover of one of his songs should be. It was totally new and different while fun for the performers and audience alike because of that difference. Grant Lee banged on the highest notes of the piano while Robyn danced his "trippy dance" around the stage (not the only time we saw it tonite either). Arms waving and hips swaying he stayed completely true to the lyrics while saturating them with their full meaning and feeling through a total clarity of voice that Jimi never had. A Day in the Life (which was supposed to be a show closer but the crowd wouldn’t let them leave after only three encores) was pure fun. They took a song we all know and sang it the way we all do. They did the Bass fills with their voices and missed the high notes the same way that everyone but the Beatles do. More than a cover, it was an homage to a great song that has permeated our culture and given them the chance to be what they are. I’m still not out of words (if you can believe that after the tome above). But I know a review has to end some time before the reader’s eyes fall out of their head. But, like the show, there doesn’t seem to be a clean way to end this. It’s so much fun to write about two people having so much fun that I just want it to go on and on and on. More moments keep popping to mind that I should tell you about and I keep looking back trying to find ways to add them in. But there is no way to now. You’ll just have to take it from me that there is always more to say when one talks of either of these men. Just as there is always more for them to say and do too. This is exactly what makes writing about them and seeing them such an honored pleasure. ©Copyright 2000 - Charles Redell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:37:00 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: makin' mountains out of molehills >Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > > I once saw Perry Ferrell late to get onstage, because he was > > "getting blown off" by a fan backstage (but not so far backstage > > that thousands of people couldn't see what was going on Hmm... fans can be so rude - poor Perry, getting blown off by one of his own fans! I think I'm getting the hang of the American language at last! Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:33:07 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: monkees More unreleased Monkees you may not have: http://www.rhinohandmade.com/RHIP/7715/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:19:08 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: a glass of cold gravy with a hair in it > anyone see the VH1 movie? Goddamn it! Now I *really* regret selling my TV! Was Frank Zappa in it? Or, rather, a facsimile thereof? I used to be ashamed of liking the Monkees, but I've finally come to realize that it's nothing to be ashamed of. They had Tim Buckley on one of their shows, for cryin' out loud. And the classic episode where Zappa and Mike Nesmith dressed up as each other: "You think *our* music, the Monkees' music, is BANAL and INSIPID??" "Head" was a great movie, too. I'd like to see it again... maybe someday... Now I have the urge to listen to "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, and Jones" again. I dimly recall that "The Door Into Summer" was a really good song... n., puttin' off work ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Sinead O'Lesbian - --- Jeff Dwarf wrote: > "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > quote) story doesn't ring true to me. She doesn't strike me as the > > sort of person who would masquerade as a woman who loves > > men in her lyrics, even if she would in interviews and such. > > from what i read, it was more like, she's always been a lesbian, but > she's also been very uncomfortable with those feelings and tried to > deny them, which is why she has been involved with men in the past. > sort of a denial thing, that she's now coming to terms with. she'd > hardly be the first person to try to repress homoerotic feelings with > heteroerotic actions. No. But I've known closeted homosexuals before and none of them made such a convincing masquerade of (1) heterosexual lust and (2) outspokenness and candor on every subject including sexuality. In other words she did an excellent job of convincing me that she was more than just attracted to men. It's very common for the closet case to feign heteroerotic passion. It's less common for him or her to do it quite so well. I'm taking into consideration also that this is someone who has extraordinarily strong convictions that are often in contradiction, and who is unafraid to demonstrate those convictions in showy (some might say outrageous) ways. To my mind it would be more likely that her attractions to men were genuine, and her denial of her own homoerotic feelings was genuine, and that she is now going through a stage where she feels it necessary to deny the heteroerotic attractions, for the sake of political feelings (the "political lesbianism" so many bisexual women (and some straight women) used to and sometimes still do adopt, at least temporarily), political statements (I know a number of bi women who call themselves lesbian as a means to solidarity), spiritual feelings, or even the simple rush that goes along with coming out, the sense that suddenly you've found what's real and all your energies are focused on this new openness about long-pent feelings. When they're coming out, nearly everyone goes through the "ultragay" phase. At the end of it, many people settle down and are simply gay, but a lot of people end up realizing that they've denied their _heteroerotic_ side, to fit in or merely to concentrate on their new identity, and end up having to come out again as bisexual. Though I came out as bi and have never really repressed any side of me (to most people's chagrin :)), I did go through a long phase of downplaying my hetero attractions to myself and others. It's only in the past couple of years that I've been able to sort of rediscover that I'm not just some sort of impure homo (as opposed to the pure, Kinsey-6 homo) but that my hetero side is as valid as my homo side. Now if I could just get rid of this concept of "sides" it would all be okay. In any case, I think I would be happier if she were right -- she really is predominately gay and will now be able to live the life she's always been meant for (except that the priest/celibacy thing is going to present a real problem) -- but I worry that she isn't, and that this is at best her "ultragay" phase prior to accepting bisexuality as a possible (if generally reviled) option, and at worst a publicity stunt. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #176 *******************************