From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #175 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 29 2000 Volume 09 : Number 175 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: hold back the night [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Chocka, Eb and Holly [Capuchin ] Re: Bottom Line MP3 on Napsta [Eclipse ] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions ["Richard Zeszotarski" ] Re: makin' mountains out of molehills [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions [Christopher Gross ] Sinead links to Curve Magazine ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: A Brat for Mars [Eb ] the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine [Eb ] Hyperbolic needle [Glen Uber ] Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine [Eclipse ] btw [Eb ] Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine [Eclipse ] Duh, um, I figgered that you kidzd know... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: ...there are no sheep on our farms... [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:46:55 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: hold back the night On 29 Jun 00, at 11:16, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > I remember Hold Back The Night being by a rather tacky disco-soul > bunch called Trammps circa '75. Ah! The school discos of yesteryear... > A little web searching proved you right; Parker covered the song but didn't write it -- a fact which I find less disturbing than my first assumption. As I said, this EP was poppier than usual for Graham. I still have my "Disco Sucks" tee-shirt. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Chocka, Eb and Holly On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, matt sewell wrote: > >Now what is "the great flyover" and why does it loom? > The great flyover - no idea which flyover this is exactly, but there are > many examples in the UK - spaghetti junction near Birmingham being a good > example of great flyovers looming... And for those of you Americans that STILL don't get it, a flyover is an overpass. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:47:40 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Bottom Line MP3 on Napsta just a note - for those of you who don't like Napster - not because of your feelings about mp3's, but because Napster is a poorly written app - i highly recommend Scour Exchange, which is just like Napster but much better written. it not only lets you share mp3's, but any video, audio or image media. check it out - it's what Napster should've been (imo). i don't know anyone at Scoure Exchange, so this is just me trying to be helpful. also, for those of you looking for free drive space (like myspace.com), xdrive.com is reliable and good. if you need lots of space, i can probably help you - i do know folks at xdrive. can't wait to check out the Bottom Line mp3's! also, can someone describe Apples In Stereo for me? i've heard good things about them but haven't a clue as to what they sound like. - - Eclipse np: Amon Tobin - supermodified At 07:33 AM 6/29/00 -0500, Lyall, Jay P SSI-ISAA wrote: >Hi everyone > >I have these on my machine plugged into the Great Satan - Napster. They >should be there as long as my DSL connection doesn't drop again. Also on >the machine are the ELF POWER and APPLES IN STEREO catalogs. Search for >"Robyn Hitchcock" "Bottom Line" or look for my Napsta ID "Capy ToadBlast" > >Cheers >Jay > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Jay Lyall > >"Can I get fries with that?" - Albert Einstein >----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:44:07 EDT From: "Richard Zeszotarski" Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions Well, here I am again. What can I say, Drew and Quail, this thread has flushed me out of lurk mode. I hope you don't mind my comments. I try to be very open-minded with you all and respect your opinions, so I hope that you will extend the same courtesy to me. I apologize for responmding to this post so late, but I haven't checked my mail in about a month (busy, busy me). Again, I apologize if anyone is sick of hearing about this, but I feel the need to get my two cents in. So, here goes... > > > II. I happen to think Cronenberg is a genius, and "The Naked Lunch" > > was in my top three movies of that year. > >I liked _Naked Lunch_, but then I also liked _Dune_. >How? Why? Well: first of all it was the four-hour version of the >latter that I saw, which helped, and second of all, I saw both films >before I read either book. In both cases I would say the visuals were >extraordinary and wonderful, but I don't know how I would have felt if >I'd read the books first. Of course I loved both books after seeking >them out. > I still haven't gotten around to seeing "Naked Lunch", but I have read the book. Didn't like "Dune" when I saw it in the theatre at age 13, but have come to like it over the years, maybe because of the political and religious schemings of the plot and maybe because it's a David Lynch film. I have a friend who absolutely loves this movie though, and she and I and a couple had an interesting debate the other weekend about who would win in a fight: Luke Skywalker, Paul Atreides, or Elric of Melnibone. If it was just Elric vs. Paul, could we get away with billing it on pay-per-view as Battle of the Addicts? Speaking of Elric, I believe Quail mentioned that it would be cool to see an animated version of Elric. As much as I'd love to see this, too, it'll probably never happen. Michael Moorcock hated the film version of Jerry Cornelius that was done in the 1970's (sorry, but I don't remember the film's title) and has been very reluctant to OK any film projects of his work, especially Elric which he feels a close personal attachment to. However, back around the late 70's , circa the release of Bakshi's "Lord of The Rings", production was started on an animated Elric film with Wendy Pini of "Elfquest" fame designing the characters. It never came to fruition, though, but there is a very rare book of some of Pini's sketches and conceptual paintings for the film. > > > Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula." Thank GOD he jettisoned some of > > the stilted atmosphere of the book, and had the courage to graft on > > elements of the Dracula myth post-Stoker. > >I enjoyed the movie in sum, and yes, the book can be mucky. There was >a lot to love about the film, most especially the shadowplay and the >literally nightmarish mood he captured so well. I really could have >done without the "Prince Vlad" bits, though; it was just that grafting >that bothered me. I guess it was to some extent necessary; it just >turned me off. Made it a good makeout movie, though. > I liked Coppola's "Dracula", too, although a lot of people didn't. I don't think they realize just how dull the actual Stoker book is (and how little Dracula is actually even in it-although his presence is always felt). I also could have lived without the Prince Vlad bits ( I blame the Anne Rice influence for the existence of this)as well as trying to tie the story in with actual historical Vlad Tepes, but the imagery is great and the film works as a homage to the gothic horror style of Coppola's former mentor, Roger Corman. > > Scott's "Bladerunner." I love Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric > > Sheep;" but Bladerunner was not that novel. At all. And yet Scott > > used the novel as a springboard to practically invent cyberpunk, and > > redefine the way we look at the future. An amazing film. I get rabid > > about this one. If you criticize this movie, I will make a kill-file. > > That goes for you, too, LJ. > >This was one of the examples that was brought up in the discussion I >mentioned (another was _Silence of the Lambs_, which you also mentioned). >I'd agree that novel and film were quite different, and both terrific >in their own ways. I would dispute only your point about the invention >of cyberpunk; I think _Blade Runner_ established the cyberpunk milieu >and some of the central concerns (how good is the AI before it's human, >etc.), but there was still a little more fertilization to be done. Liked "Bladerunner" a lot even though i've never read Dick's novel. I have read some of his other stuff and found it a bit dated, so I don't know how I would like it. > > > > VIII. Can you imagine really *great* animated versions of: [..] > > "The Watchmen," "The Sandman," > >I started to say _Sandman_ wouldn't work, but actually it would, >like crazy. The Moments would be different, because Gaiman is brilliant >with his panel pacing and of course that doesn't translate, but you >could do things with the animated version he couldn't do, like a >procession of deities for _Season of Mists_ and some cool Hell-entry >sequences, etc. The most filmable arcs would probably be _A Doll's >House_ or _Season of Mists_; "24 Hours" from the first arc would almost >end up being a feature in itself. A lot of the others wouldn't make sense >out of context. I started reading at issue 5 of _Brief Lives_ and I >had no clue what the hell was going on for a very long time. > >_The Watchmen_ would end up pretty silly animated, I think, no matter >who did it. We'd have to push into some really out there styles, >juxtaposing cartoonish superheroes with some really gritty and disturbing >effects that might be too distancing. I think it ought to be live-action. A friend of mine loaned me two drafts of a live-action "Sandman" script (which Neil is said to have approved of) that was in development until the evil John "I make everything I touch turn stupid" Peters got involved and made inane plot "suggestions" and killed it when the writers refused to cooperate. The story is pretty much the same as the first four issues of the series, with the exclusion of the "Twenty four hours" story (a shame-I would have loved to see this done),John Constantine ( a choice role for Mr. Tim Roth), and Dr. Destiny (perhaps to avoid any connection with the Justice League and the rest of the DC Universe)the inclusion of Death,the Corinthian, Rose Walker (whose role will need some serious rewrites if the film wishes to continue as a franchise adaptation of the comics), the serial killers convention from "A doll's House", and in one draft, the entire Endless family (sans Destruction, of course). "Watchmen" was also in development, with Terry Gilliam slated to direct. I read the script by Sam Hamm, which follows the comic exactly up to the end and doesn't have Rorscach killed off, but I think the new and different ending works a bit better. Many people have said that it was pointless killing Rorschach off, as no one would have believed his revealing of Ozymandias' plot anyway, what with him being a dangerous psycopath and escaped convict. > > > IX. Special fingers-crossed award: "Lord of the Rings" > >Likewise. Oh, yes, me too! I'm re-reading all the books and the Silmarillion now in preparation for this. Well, must go. If anyone would like to discuss these further with me, please contact me off-list. I think I've wasted enough of you kind fegs time already with my ramblings. - -Rich Z., who's running off now to see a matinee of "Anna & the King" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 2000 16:47:35 -0000 From: Jonatan "Morén" Subject: Re: Scott Walker (no RH) Quoting matt sewell >anyone heard the "techno" come-back album he did a > few years > ago? > Errm..have *you* heard it? If you're talking about "Tilt", there's nothing techno about it. It sounds rather like Beckett and Garcia Lorca doing a Broadway musical together. (Has anyone heard Walker's recent soundtrack for the Pola X movie? What's it like? Is it techno? ;-) ) ................................................................ GRATIS e-post pĺ en 1 minut! http://www.pc.nu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:49:46 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: makin' mountains out of molehills Strangely, at Sweetwater, the legendary Susan Dodge and I discussed Robyn's relationship with his fans. I'm sure he appreciates having us, but is more than a little creeped out by sharing space with us. Being a "cult figure," she ascertained, would probably make us cult fans more scary, etc. I definitely agree in the abstract, but it would be kind of sad for him he thinks "fegmaniax" are a monolythic organism that has come to suck the life out of him, instead of a bunch of really great people (and sharkboy, too) who have a common connection with him through his music. I'm also certain that, more than anyone I can think of, Robyn might find nightly touring very fatiguing. One show for anybody can be a lot of work, and after 4 nights in a row with travel and smoking and not smoking and club owners and sound people and no space and no relaxation it can just get to be tooooo much. I really hope it is an aberration. He really should feel lucky to have fans of such quality. To think that there are people out there who _actually listen to the words and stuff_ is a very great thing to get from an audience. As Oscar Wild would probably say, "The only thing worse than fans is having none at all." Happies, - -Markg I once saw Perry Ferrell late to get onstage, because he was "getting blown off" by a fan backstage (but not so far backstage that thousands of people couldn't see what was going on.) I was at the show to see They Might Be Giants, but was impressed with PF's stage presence, post-orgasmic or not. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:12:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Richard Zeszotarski wrote: > The story is pretty much the same as the first four issues of the > series, with the exclusion of the "Twenty four hours" story (a shame-I would > have loved to see this done),John Constantine ( a choice role for Mr. Tim > Roth), and Dr. Destiny (perhaps to avoid any connection with the Justice > League and the rest of the DC Universe)the inclusion of Death,the > Corinthian, Rose Walker (whose role will need some serious rewrites if the > film wishes to continue as a franchise adaptation of the comics), the serial > killers convention from "A doll's House", and in one draft, the entire > Endless family (sans Destruction, of course). I assume you're using "pretty much the same" in a sarcastic sense, because that sounds like an awful lot of changes! But none of them sound like bad changes. I'd like to see it made. > Well, must go. If anyone would like to discuss these further with me, > please contact me off-list. I think I've wasted enough of you kind fegs time > already with my ramblings. There's no such thing as "wasting time" on the Feg list! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:40:38 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: makin' mountains out of molehills On 6/29/2000 8:44 AM, Natalie Jacobs wrote: >It really wasn't that big a deal. I tried to get Robyn's attention (just >after he had signed some autographs) in a dumb fan-girl kind of way, in >order to give him a tinfoil object, and got Ye Olde Brush-Off. I was upset >about it because I was cranky and tired, and also because it takes very, >very, very little to make me feel stupid and humiliated. I tossed the >tinfoil sculpture (an image of Pan/the Devil) in his direction and walked >off, and according to Tom and Simone he said "I've got some of these >already, thank you very much" after I left. His actual words were: "Oh, a creature! I've got the others at home." - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Sinead links to Curve Magazine http://www.curvemag.com/teaser/sineadpress.html http://www.curvemag.com/teaser/soconnor.html The Jam! Showbiz page: http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsO/oconnor_sinead.html is a little yuckier but carries a bit more information. I'm looking forward to reading the whole thing to find out what's what. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:24:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: A Brat for Mars Glen wrote: >"I Used To Love You" - >Sounding like an outtake from _Plastic Ono Band,_ this is Robyn's "Mother," >"God," and "Love" all rolled into one. I'm afraid I must sound the Hyperbole Alarm on this one. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:22:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine After last night's VH1 Monkees movie, "Head" has shot from #536 to #25 on Amazon's video-sales chart. ;) Looks like a Dylan ticket for tonight fell into my lap, at the last minute! Yes!! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:14:41 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Hyperbolic needle On 29.06.2000 13:24, Eb wrote: > Glen wrote: >> "I Used To Love You" - >> Sounding like an outtake from _Plastic Ono Band,_ this is Robyn's "Mother," >> "God," and "Love" all rolled into one. > > I'm afraid I must sound the Hyperbole Alarm on this one. ;) Yeah. I'm prone to that. Sorry about that. It was the first comparison that came to mind. From now on, I'll choose my words more carefully and try to avoid exaggerations. Quite possibly the greatest feg ever, - -g- "Kids are the best! You can teach them to hate the same things you hate. And these days they pretty much raise themselves, what with the Internet and all." --Homer Simpson +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:45:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine this is where i admit my shameless love for the Monkees, which has endured since the 7th grade. :) Head is a wacky, weird movie, and i love it. and it gets props for all the names involved - Frank Zappa, Teri Garr, Annette Funicello, Sonny Liston, Victor Mature..and not to mention Jack Nicholson's writing credit. anyway, i really dig this movie. :) anyone see the VH1 movie? opinions? it was oddly creepy to see all these really familiar scenes (such as the "Daydream Believer" video) shot with people who almost - but not quite - look like the Monkees. the dialogue was irritatingly inane in parts, the actors couldn't sing (when they did - i was glad when they used original vocals), and i was disappointed that they ended the story when they did. however, seeing the Monkees crammed under a table at a party smoking a joint, and at another party talking to the Beatles (seeing people playing Ringo, Paul and John had me cackling) was a real hoot and probably made the whole 2 hours worthwhile. i'd be interested in what anyone else thought of it .. - - Eclipse np: The Sisters of Mercy - Some Girls Wander By Mistake On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > After last night's VH1 Monkees movie, "Head" has shot from #536 to #25 on > Amazon's video-sales chart. ;) > > Looks like a Dylan ticket for tonight fell into my lap, at the last minute! > Yes!! > > Eb > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:17:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine Eclipse: >anyone see the VH1 movie? opinions? I did.... Very well-cast for the most part, particularly "Micky" and "Mike." Worst casting: "Jack Nicholson" and "John Lennon." Yikes. Otherwise, about as good/bad as I would've expected. However, the ending was inexcusably cheesy (and fabricated). Perhaps it would've worked better in a flashback framework, beginning and ending with Nesmith's big onstage reunion with the other Monkees during the '80s. That seems like a natural narrative structure, to me. I would've liked a bit more emphasis on the process of writing/creating the television show, week in and week out. In the film, once the series pilot was picked up, it was just a given that the show cruised along in high gear. Odd emphasis on "Toys," since it's such a minor Monkees tune. And several of the group's best songs weren't referenced at all ("She," "Randy Scouse Git," "Words," "Pleasant Valley Sunday," "Sometime in the Morning," etc.), but them's the breaks. It suddenly occurs to me that I don't own "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You" or "Listen to the Band." Huh. Darn those non-LP singles of the '60s. Eb ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 2000 15:23:21 -0700 From: "John Barrington Jones" Subject: Song ID request I know you all can help me out: Who sings a song from the 80's whose chorus is: "The weekend's too short!" I always thought it was Graham Parker, but I've been informed by a budding Parkerologist that I'm probably wrong. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:26:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: btw I'm *so* excited about seeing Phil Lesh tonight.... ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:48:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > Very well-cast for the most part, particularly "Micky" and "Mike." Worst > casting: "Jack Nicholson" and "John Lennon." Yikes. i would agree wholeheartedly..."John" looked way too old - good thing they kept him mostly in the dark. every time "Jack" spoke, i groaned. the guy who played Micky had the facial expressions and goofiness down well, and i was surprised at how much the actor playing Mike really resembled Nesmith. > Otherwise, about as good/bad as I would've expected. However, the ending > was inexcusably cheesy (and fabricated). Perhaps it would've worked better > in a flashback framework, beginning and ending with Nesmith's big onstage > reunion with the other Monkees during the '80s. That seems like a natural > narrative structure, to me. the "Behind the Music" special caught a bit of the reunion. there were lots of parts of the movie where i felt like i was watching what it might be like if "The Monkees" were made today - the ending brought me that feeling too, and i would also have to agree that it was "inexcuseably cheesy". > I would've liked a bit more emphasis on the process of writing/creating the > television show, week in and week out. In the film, once the series pilot > was picked up, it was just a given that the show cruised along in high gear. me too..and how recording the songs for the show was done in the first place, before they got fed up with doing vocals over other people's music. i'd have also liked to have seen more about the songwriting itself - Kirchner's work with Boyce and Hart and Neil Diamond and others, and about how Davy and Micky teamed up with Boyce and Hart later on. > Odd emphasis on "Toys," since it's such a minor Monkees tune. And several > of the group's best songs weren't referenced at all ("She," "Randy Scouse > Git," "Words," "Pleasant Valley Sunday," "Sometime in the Morning," etc.), > but them's the breaks. i felt the same way, and i hate the emphasis on Davy's sappy tunes. i think Nesmith is such a dynamic musician and songwriter...every time they were playing a concert in the movie, i found myself longing for the live bit from Head where they play "Circle Sky" (damn i love that song). since they chopped off the story where they did, though, (pretty much neglecting to mention anything after _Headquarters_), it left out much of their better material such as "Pleasant Valley Sunday" and most of _Pisces.._ and whatnot. i now confess that one of the first things i'm going to do with the cd to cd recorder i plan to buy my husband for his birthday next week is make a compilation of my favorite Monkees tunes, then blast them in my car with the top down and singing along at the top of my lungs. if i don't make an RH compilation first. :) nostalgic, - - Eclipse np: The Creatures, Boomerang ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:24:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine >> It suddenly occurs to me that I don't own "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit >> You" or "Listen to the Band." Huh. Darn those non-LP singles of the >> '60s. > >Isn't the former on _Then and Now...The Best of the Monkees_? Well, obviously, that's a (out of print?) compilation which was released much later. I have all the original Monkees albums from the debut through Head (including all those CD bonus tracks) *and* Missing Links Vol. 3, and I still don't own the above two songs. That kinda stinks. Eb, who didn't know before last night that Kirschner wanted the Monkees to sing "Sugar, Sugar" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > >> It suddenly occurs to me that I don't own "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit > >> You" or "Listen to the Band." Huh. Darn those non-LP singles of the > >> '60s. > > > >Isn't the former on _Then and Now...The Best of the Monkees_? > > Well, obviously, that's a (out of print?) compilation which was released > much later. I have all the original Monkees albums from the debut through > Head (including all those CD bonus tracks) *and* Missing Links Vol. 3, and > I still don't own the above two songs. That kinda stinks. if you can stand the post-Head releases (and i really like _Present_ and _Instant Replay_, for the most part), you'll find "Listen to the Band" on _Present_. i am surprised to find that "A Little Bit Me.." isn't on anything pre-Head..i was sure i'd find it on one of those. however, it is available on the Greatest Hits collection released in '99. actually, i'm sure you probably knew all this anyway, but i have been known to be compulsively helpful. :) - - Eclipse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: the further impact of cable tv, post-Claudine - --- Eclipse wrote: > if you can stand the post-Head releases (and i really like > _Present_ and > _Instant Replay_, for the most part), Oh man! I love Changes, the Davy and Mickey album. Sure, it's full of crap, but Tell Me Love is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. I used to listen to that over and over and sob...of course, I was thirteen at the time. But it still sort-of chokes me up (I am a sentimental moron). And then there's Midnight Train! And All Alone in the Dark! Those are great songs! Vivien! ps- when I learned that Andy Partridge dug the Monkees (and tried to emulate Peter Tork's hairstyle) I flipped out. That my first favorite band inspired another of my favorite bands was so...cool! I mean, people who loved the Beatles when they were five are used to such a thing, but I loved the Monkees, who even now are somewhat suspect. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Song ID request On 29 Jun 2000, John Barrington Jones wrote: > I know you all can help me out: > > Who sings a song from the 80's whose chorus is: "The weekend's too short!" > > I always thought it was Graham Parker, but I've been informed by a > budding Parkerologist that I'm probably wrong. this is in fact the title of a tune on graham parker's _steady nerves_, an album i rank with the kinks' _give the people what they want_ as a severely underrated effort. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:13:51 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Duh, um, I figgered that you kidzd know... Not enough memory was installed when I was born, and I don't have a soft boys album at my dispose-all right now. Do any of you know what other title the song "Only the Stones Remain" may be listed under for publishing purposes? This would be helpful. Happies, - -Mark "possibly the second best chapman stick player on the list (that is unless anyone else besides Jason plays)" Gloster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:39:07 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: ...there are no sheep on our farms... although this is meant primarily for Tim, some of the rest of you may be interested as well, so... >it's *not* Robert Scott...it's David Kilgour, and with a little research I >would've remembered it's 'Sugar Mouth'. One of his four solo(ish) albums, no less! Sugar Mouth is excellent. The other three are Here Come the Cars (great and sparse - Sugar Mouth is lushly (but not over-)produced); an out-takes and b-sides album which I can't remember the name of (which is better that you'd expect from an out takes album, but the poorest of the four), and The semi-solo David Kilgour and the Heavy Eights, which features several notable local musos such as Martin Phillipps. This would rank alongside Sugar Mouth and a must have. If you have trouble finding them, I could probably hunt them down for you... >since you may be interested, my aunt (now sadly missed) used to live in >Paraparaumu (sp?) or thereabouts. Known throughout the country as Parraperram. I passed through Paraparaumu earlier this year when my partner and I went on an extended holiday (we drove right around the North Island). Can't say I remember that much of it, although in my defence we were on the last leg off the journey and pretty much sightseeinged out.The little I know of the place is that it's more or less regarded as the northernmost extreme of 'Outer Wellington' and is a fairly major rail terminal. >she used to send us books when we were kids, so I learned a bit though it was >really a homogenized, tourist centred view of Maori culture...mud bubbling >from >the ground and so on. Unfortunately a lot of the touristy stuff is like that: "look at all the happy smiling natives". New Zealand is not quite as homogenized a culture as the tourist industry would like to believe - there are some serious disparities - but I think we're probably in a better state than a lot of other countries. >I was once told by a woman I met in Wales, that she could tell I was Canadian >(instead of American which 98% of most folks in the UK understandably assume) >because I had a 'softer accent'. That's often how I can tell people from New >Zealand from Australia. Is this an fair comparison? pretty much so. Aussie accents are quite a bit harder. The easiest way to tell is words like Advance or France - Kiwis tend to use more British vowel sound (Frahnce) rather than American (Fraance). Aussies use more American-like vowels. It's not foolproof (in some parts of Australia like Tasmania and around Adelaide the accent is much more like the Kiwi one). And Kiwis like being called Australian about as much as Canadians like being called American! One of my supervisors is Canadian, BTW (from Antigonish, NS), and I know what you mean by a softer accent. Of course, she gives herself away when she says words like house ;) >another question: Pop Art Toasters...have I been living in a cave if I >have not >explored this stuff yet? There is only one EP - four covers by a one-off 'supergroup' of Dunedin musos. It's not bad, but it's not essential. >another, other question: how does the Martin Phillipps albums (with or without >'The Chills') rank with Submarine Bells and Soft Bomb? I am putting off a big >order to FN until I know more! The bits I've heard @ 56k mono sound quite >good. I'd put the Sketchbook album above Soft Bomb, but nowhere near as high as Submarine Bells. Sunburnt is about on par with Soft Bomb. >But I know I will be ordering the Sneaky Feelings compilation...I think...I've >only heard the track off 'In Love With These Times'...same goes for Snapper. Sneaky Feelings are a problem. They're one of my favourite NZ bands, but that's based largely on seeing (and supporting) them live. They never fully gelled in the studio. Their first album contained their best songs, but the recording was on 8-track, so it's a little dodgy at times. The later stuff was over produced. It's still well worth having, but it would have been far better if they'd found that middle ground of production. Lead Sneaky Matthew Bannister has since recorded an album and two EPs with the Dribbling Darts, David Pine has just released a solo album. Snapper - the first album (which I think was called Shotgun Blossom) is the better one. They remind me of a harder Stereolab: walls of distorted guitar with (usually) quiet vocals buried deep in the mix. >Any suggestions? Should I at least move on to the '90s or is FN famous for the >same few years of albums and always will be? (The offerings from 'Freak The >Sheep' are a little less on the charming pop side and a bit too >post-modern for >my liking.) FN's best years were the 80s, but the stuff from the 90s is also well worthwhile. Hmm... a must have list (other than the groups already mentioned) would probably include: Straitjacket Fits (Melt, Hail) Tall Dwarfs (Weeville, Fork Songs) Chris Knox (Croaker, Seizure) Look Blue Go Purple (Compilation) Jean Paul Sartre Experience (Love Songs) Verlaines (Way Out Where, Juvenilia) 3Ds (The Venus Trail) Stereobus (Brand New) Able Tasmans (? recently released best of) Superette (Tiger) Headless Chickens (Body Blow) David Mulcahy (Oddy Knocky) >I will gladly remaster my increasingly rare (magnetic particle is falling >off as >I speak) Tall Dwarfs Profile tape, though you probably had lunch with Alec and >Chris last weekend so you don't need this kind of thing : ) oiops, yup I've been namedropping a bit... Actually I don't know either Chris or Alec. That tape sounds interesting... Dunedin's a pretty small city (120,000), so it's pretty difficult NOT to know at least a couple of well-known musicians (especially since I worked in student radio here for several years). >Another, other, final (promise) question: I have a tape that I made from a >double CD compilation of NZ pop...it's got a song with the refrain, "There >is no >depression in New Zealand..." It's quite clever - rather frantic in a late >'70s >kinda way...Do you know who this is and, if so, do they have anything out? That is the classic song "There is no Depression in New Zealand" by Blam Blam Blam, who had a compilation CD out (can't remember the label offhand, but I could look it up... Lead Blam Don McGlashan is one of NZ's top musicians, notably in recent years with the Muttonbirds (whose albums "The Muttonbirds" and "Envy of Angels" are essential, IMHO...) >thanks in advance for your pop-guru wisdom Sir James, :) if you need any help tracking any of these albums down, let me know... I might be able to help out... >(because I know Randi, I was recently asked to become a Freemason, to >co-direct >the next Shaft movie, to remix the entire John Coltrane collection, to >advise the >United Church on key issues, to spearhead Toronto's push for the Olympics >in 2044 >and completely restructure the UN. that girl's got pull!) :)) none of that surprises me at all! James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #175 *******************************