From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #174 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 29 2000 Volume 09 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the subject is PENILE FITNESS ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] Re: orange claw hammer ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] A Brat for Mars [Glen Uber ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #172 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Rhino press release [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #172 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Bottom Line MP3 FTP server down; alternatives ["Brian Huddell" ] Bottom Line MP3 on Napsta ["Lyall, Jay P SSI-ISAA" ] Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) [lj lindhurst ] roads of old london ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] makin' mountains out of molehills [Natalie Jacobs Subject: Re: the subject is PENILE FITNESS groovy illustrations. From: lj lindhurst Reply-To: lj lindhurst To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: the subject is PENILE FITNESS Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:32:56 -0400 http://www.penis-enlargement-now.com/penilefitness/index2.html - -- +++ +++++ ++ +++ ++++++++ +++++ ++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++ +++ +++ ++ +++ ++++++ + + + + + + "Let's start a fire Let's have a riot! Yeah it's awful" --Courtney Love ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:02:14 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: Re: orange claw hammer < << What is Orange Claw Hammer?>> It's an acappella piece by Captain Beefheart, found on Trout Mask Replica.> there's a piano version on the boxed set. this was my request, by the way. robyn was playing my requests (or something akin to them) all week long, much to natalie jane jacobs' distress. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:48:09 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: A Brat for Mars I finally picked up a copy of _A Star for Bram_ at Robyn's San Francisco show last week and have been listening to it almost continuously since then. I know most of you have long since chimed in with your reviews of the album, so my opinions probably are irrelevant at this point. However, after a very spirited discussion about the rekkid with Nick and Randi prior to the Mill Valley show, I thought I would share my impression of the album with the few of you who actually care. "Daisy Bomb" ­ I had heard this song a few years back on some live tapes that were circulating. I was never too impressed with the live version, but the more "countrified" version on the album is really great. I still have a bit of a problem with the time signature shift in the refrain, but it's not enough to detract from the song as a whole. Overall, a great song with which to kick off the album. "I Saw Nick Drake" ­ Four chords. Over and over. And over. Boring melody. Repetitious lead guitar part. I know I'm going to get a lot of shit for this, but this is one of my least favourite RH songs ever. I know most of you (including my sweetie, Carol) disagree with me, so there's no need for any of you to tell me what a schmuck I am for hating this song. In the since that there's no deviation from the chord progression, it reminds me of "Winter Love" (another song I usually skip over or simply ignore while it's playing). Nick pointed out that it's not the only Robyn song with 4 or fewer chords to which I responded: "Yeah, but at least 'Airscape' has a bridge." "Adoration of the City" ­ Another song that's better on this album than on live tapes I've heard. Something about that descending guitar lick that really gets me grooving. "1974" ­ I'll admit, I was a bit skeptical about the inclusion of this song on ASfB after its appearance on _Storefront Hitchcock_. My bias in favor of the original lasted only through about the middle of this version. I LOVE this version! It sounds as though Robyn, Tim, Grant and Jon are having a blast thundering through this revved-up version of one of my favourite recent RH toonz. Whoever lets out the raucous "WOO-HUH!" during the "whirry, whirry goes the helicopter..." line certainly echoes my sentiments. This is one of those songs you crank up, roll the windows down and sing along to. "I Wish I Liked You" ­ This song is brilliantly bitter. I just wonder who the inspiration behind this song was. It's great to hear Robyn sing the blues and play like a man possessed. My fiancee says this is her favourite on the album. "Nietzsche's Way" ­ I like this song a lot. Classic Hitchcockian imagery mixed with a great chord progression; overall a great melding of lyrics, music and production. I predict that this is one of his songs that I'll always want to hear live. "The Philosopher's Stone" ­ My favourite lyrics on the album, next to "1974." I dig the chord progression, "harmony machine" and the sitaresque guitar playing. Hell, I dig the whole song! Another one I'll probably never get tired of hearing. "The Green Boy" ­ I like this because it harkens back to some of the early Egyptians songs. Not any one song in particular, but it sounds as though it could have come out of the _fegMANIA!_ or _Element of Light_ sessions. I kind of half expected to see Pat Collier or Andy Metcalfe listed as producer. One complaint: Rob Alum is no Morris Windsor. We've had this discussion before, but Morris is quite possibly the most "musical" drummer of all time, Stewart Copeland not withstanding. "Judas Sings (Jesus & Me)" ­ For some reason, this reminds me of a Lou Reed song. This is another one I like a lot because of its sparceness and open arrangement. I haven't yet seen the movie, "The Judas Kiss," from whence this comes, but can understand why the producers might have used this song in their film. It's incredibly well-crafted and flawlessly performed. The lyrics evoke certain images that would make perfect visuals in a film or music video. The music is melancholy without being too depressing and complements the lyrics almost perfectly. "Antwoman (Dub)" ­ In my opinion, a useless inclusion and a waste of disc space. It reminds me of "Let There Be More Darkness" or "Pit of Souls" from _Invisible Hitchcock_. The least they could have done is grooved it up a bit and turned it into a dance mix. As it stands now, this is in the running for a "What The Fuck's Da Point?" Award. It's most useless Robyn track since the re-mix of "Veins of the Queen" on the CD version of _Queen Elvis_. "I Used To Love You" ­ God, it's great to hear Robyn playing piano again! Sounding like an outtake from _Plastic Ono Band,_ this is Robyn's "Mother," "God," and "Love" all rolled into one. It's a perfect mixture of anger, regret and acceptance of the choices one has made. I still don't know if it's from Robyn's point of view, or if he's singing from the point of view of a ex-lover, or a child singing to his parent or a father singing to his son (Raymond from beyond the grave?). Each time I hear it, I try to listen from a different point of view. "The Underneath" ­ Why isn't this song a single?!? It's a wonderfully crafted pop song with a great odd-metered riff (6/4 ?), a verse-chorus-verse structure with great harmonies and a touch of grungy angst. A wonderful song about not fitting in and being on the outside of everything that's going on around you. It seems that this song is Robyn's ode to the people who no one can quite figure out and aren't as easily categorizable or demographicized as the "rest of the world". The line, "If you can't sell me something/we might as well as not be" certainly bears out the fact that he is kicking against the pricks that are marketing and advertising execs and major label A&R men and record company heads. This could very well be used as his Warner Brothers epitaph. All in all, I like this album. Maybe as much as Jewels and Moss Elixir/Mossy Liquor and certainly more than You and Oblivion, Repect and Perspex Island. I think Jon Brion has had an extremely positive effect on Robyn's creative process and has been able to pull things out of him that the last few producers (everyone since Pat Collier & Andy Metcalfe, natch) have either missed or ignored. Needless to say, I'm happy with this one. Very very happy. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Kids are the best! You can teach them to hate the same things you hate. And these days they pretty much raise themselves, what with the Internet and all." --Homer Simpson +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg - -- Cheers! - -g- "P.T. Barnum's marketing theories are the cornerstone of pop culture." - --Mark Gloster +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:13:20 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #172 >>As you've probably gathered, "to blow [someone] off" here means to >>dismiss them brusquely or with no more than minimal courtesy. It can >>also be close to "standing [someone] up." :) > >thanks for that - I was wondering... Note to US fegs - be careful using >this term in New Zealand. As Matt points out, it doesn't mean twhat you >think it means everywhere! maybe you can put that 't' down as a Freudian slip... J. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:17:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Rhino press release BRIAN WILSON STILL GETS AROUND! Rhino Reissues Beach Boy's Classic 1988 Solo Album With 11 Bonus Tracks LOS ANGELES - The surf's still up, and the vibrations are as good as ever as Rhino Records/Warner Archives gets set for the September 5 reissue of BRIAN WILSON, the classic self-titled 1988 debut solo album from The Beach Boys co-founder Brian Wilson. The deluxe single-CD set features all eleven of the album's original cuts, in addition to 11 bonus tracks, including rare singles, previously unreleased demo versions of several songs, rough mixes, and interview segments with Wilson. Initially released on Sire Records, Brian Wilson's debut solo album marked a triumphant return to the spotlight for the music legend after a long period of inactivity. Produced by Wilson, with selected tracks coproduced by such stellar names as Jeff Lynne and Lindsey Buckingham, the album was entirely written or cowritten by Wilson. Critically acclaimed at the time of release, BRIAN WILSON is a must for Beach Boys fans old and new, and features such contemporary Wilson classics as "Love And Mercy," "Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long," "Meet Me In My Dreams Tonight," and the ambitious eight-minute suite "Rio Grande." Bonus tracks include four rare non-single sides: "Being With The One You Love," "He Couldn't Get His Poor Old Body To Move," "Let's Go To Heaven In My Car," and "Too Much Sugar." The reissue also offers rare versions of several LP tracks, such as previously unreleased demos of "There's So Many," "Walkin' The Line," and "Little Children"; the instrumental track "Night Time"; and early versions of "Melt Away" and "Rio Grande." Fascinating interview segments featuring Wilson discussing songs on the album are also included, as is a special hidden track. Also included are extensive liner notes by Wilson biographer David Leaf that feature a track-by-track commentary by Brian himself. The reissue will be available for $17.98 at all music retail outlets as well as online at www.rhino.com. [clip] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:23:37 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #172 >but does anyone have (or has anyone seen) a Robert Scott solo album that >came out about five years back? I assume I can get it from the FN site >but I suspect it might take 3 to 6 months... uh? I've not heard about this (and I do see Robert occasionally...). The only RS stuff I know of on CD is his stuff with the Bats and the Clean, the 3 Magick Heads CDs, and one (limited) CD release by Electric Blood. There are a couple of solo tracks on compilation albums (I think there's one on "Disturbed by IMD' for instance). James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:51:50 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: Bottom Line MP3 FTP server down; alternatives Never underestimate the voracity of fegs. 431 files downloaded in the last 30 hours, not bad for the little NT box in my living room. I hope you all enjoy the show. Two means of getting the Bottom Line MP3s exist: 1) Jay Lyall has been swell enough to put them in his Napster folder. 2) http://www.myspace.com/Folders/3934410/ is the URL for a shared folder that contains most of the show now and will have the whole thing soon (myspace.com has admitted to problems with uploads; downloads seem to be working fine). I intend to leave the files here indefinitely. If you have an account with myspace.com, freediskspace.com, or mp3.freediskspace.com, all you need to do is enter your credentials plus the shared folder password, which is "fegmaniax". If you don't have an account, this link also has a registration form which is fairly painless. Besides gaining access to these files you also get a free 300 meg account. I don't care much about this but if you enter U000408B0 as the referrer code I get some more space. If neither of these work for you, email me off-list and I'll set something up. Particularly if you suffered through these slow transfers only to get kicked out before you got the whole thing, I feel your pain. I'll make sure you get the files you want. Cheers, - -brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: re: Bauhaus, aka "thank god for stage lighting and fog machines" "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > Eb wrote: > > Oh, and I forgot to mention the part about Peter Murphy's one-note > > melodies. ;) > If he sang more than one note, it might become apparent that he > can't sing on-key. hey, "cuts you up" has two notes. almost. [but bauhaus are one of the great unappreciated comedy groups of all time; they make they might be giants sounds like joy division. just not on purpose.] ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) mrrunion@palmnet.net wrote: > Personally, I find all the Belle & Sebastian EP's pretty good. > The only thing that perhaps sucks about the "Lazy Line Painter > Jane" box-set is that it's only 3 of the 4 pre-Legal Man EPs. > I'm not sure which one isn't included, as I already had the > EPs separately. "this is just a modern rock song" isn't in the box. probably because i think it's more recent. > I'm still a bit undecided on the new "Fold Your Hands Child,..." > album. Usually, I need at least one kicking song to leap out > from the rest and rock, or groove, or whatever. There were several > on "Tigermilk", and the "Arab Strap" song also filled this need > for me. "If You're Feeling Sinister" was just a perfect record. > This new one seems even more mellow, pastoral, orchestral, whatever > to me that the rest, and for some reason that's buggin' me some. > That low-voiced guy singing with Isobel on the 3rd track just > totally throws me off. And I haven't found the kicking song > yet. > > Snag the "Legal Man" single for something totally different from > this new album. It's pretty out there, way more experimental > and stuff, so you know these guys do have it in them. The new > record would have been a lot more inconsistent if they'd used > the "Legal Man" stuff right in the album, but I think it might > have made for a stronger record...does that make sense? Anyway, > just my mumbly opinions. not bad ones either.... (a.k.a. ME TOO!!) > Haven't heard any mention here of the new Sinead O'Conner yet. > My first spin left me with an okay, not bad opinion, but after > several listens, I think it is certainly the best thing she's > done since the "I Do Not Want..." album. Probably still doesn't > touch "The Lion & The Cobra" though. i don't like it as much as "Gospel Oak," but it easily kicks both _am i not your girl?_ or _universal mother_'s asses. of course, that's not that hard to do. it's a little too sugary at points, and it's kinda funny hearing a just-out lesbian declare she wants to fuck every man in sight (the lyric quoted in EVERY review), though it makes more sense when you hear it than you'd think it would. and does anyone know who did "hold back the night" (i know the other cover was an ednaswap). ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:05:19 -0400 From: tim fuller and randi spiegel Subject: ...there are no sheep on our farms... digja611@student.otago.ac.nz wrote: > >but does anyone have (or has anyone seen) a Robert Scott solo album that > >came out about five years back? I assume I can get it from the FN site > >but I suspect it might take 3 to 6 months... > > uh? I've not heard about this (and I do see Robert occasionally...). The > only RS stuff I know of on CD is his stuff with the Bats and the Clean, the > 3 Magick Heads CDs, and one (limited) CD release by Electric Blood. There > are a couple of solo tracks on compilation albums (I think there's one on > "Disturbed by IMD' for instance). > y'see, this is why my Mum couldn't find the album when she was visiting her sister (a.k.a. my aunt) somewhere in NZ a few years back. that's why she came back with the new(ish) Bats album, which is still fine by me. it's *not* Robert Scott...it's David Kilgour, and with a little research I would've remembered it's 'Sugar Mouth'. gahhh...I am a minor Kiwipop fan at best...I resign in disgrace... since you may be interested, my aunt (now sadly missed) used to live in Paraparaumu (sp?) or thereabouts. she used to send us books when we were kids, so I learned a bit though it was really a homogenized, tourist centred view of Maori culture...mud bubbling from the ground and so on. I was once told by a woman I met in Wales, that she could tell I was Canadian (instead of American which 98% of most folks in the UK understandably assume) because I had a 'softer accent'. That's often how I can tell people from New Zealand from Australia. Is this an fair comparison? another question: Pop Art Toasters...have I been living in a cave if I have not explored this stuff yet? another, other question: how does the Martin Phillipps albums (with or without 'The Chills') rank with Submarine Bells and Soft Bomb? I am putting off a big order to FN until I know more! The bits I've heard @ 56k mono sound quite good. But I know I will be ordering the Sneaky Feelings compilation...I think...I've only heard the track off 'In Love With These Times'...same goes for Snapper. Any suggestions? Should I at least move on to the '90s or is FN famous for the same few years of albums and always will be? (The offerings from 'Freak The Sheep' are a little less on the charming pop side and a bit too post-modern for my liking.) I will gladly remaster my increasingly rare (magnetic particle is falling off as I speak) Tall Dwarfs Profile tape, though you probably had lunch with Alec and Chris last weekend so you don't need this kind of thing : ) Another, other, final (promise) question: I have a tape that I made from a double CD compilation of NZ pop...it's got a song with the refrain, "There is no depression in New Zealand..." It's quite clever - rather frantic in a late '70s kinda way...Do you know who this is and, if so, do they have anything out? I did write it down but that tape is in a box which is now in another box which is packed away behind a number of other boxes which - I believe - are supporting the entire 16th floor of my building so... thanks in advance for your pop-guru wisdom Sir James, Tim of Randi and Tim fame (because I know Randi, I was recently asked to become a Freemason, to co-direct the next Shaft movie, to remix the entire John Coltrane collection, to advise the United Church on key issues, to spearhead Toronto's push for the Olympics in 2044 and completely restructure the UN. that girl's got pull!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:46:49 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Chocka, Eb and Holly Eb said: > > >What does "Chocka at the Hogarth" mean? Bayard replied: >Maybe "the Hogarth is packed full"? Is it a theatre? A museum? > >Now what is "the great flyover" and why does it loom? > Chocka is short for chocka-block - a term for hellishly busy... I dunno what the Hogarth is, it always strikes me as an area in a city. The great flyover - no idea which flyover this is exactly, but there are many examples in the UK - spaghetti junction near Birmingham being a good example of great flyovers looming... Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:33:21 -0500 From: "Lyall, Jay P SSI-ISAA" Subject: Bottom Line MP3 on Napsta Hi everyone I have these on my machine plugged into the Great Satan - Napster. They should be there as long as my DSL connection doesn't drop again. Also on the machine are the ELF POWER and APPLES IN STEREO catalogs. Search for "Robyn Hitchcock" "Bottom Line" or look for my Napsta ID "Capy ToadBlast" Cheers Jay - ----------------------------------------------------------- Jay Lyall "Can I get fries with that?" - Albert Einstein - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:02:06 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) On 28 Jun 00, at 23:49, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > and does anyone know > who did "hold back the night" (i know the other cover was an > ednaswap). Graham Parker wrote a song called "Hold Back the Night". I don't know if that's what you're talking about or not. A lyrical snippet: "Hold back the night /Turn on the light/Don't want to dream about you, baby." Is that what you're talking about? It's on the poppier-than-usual Pink Parker EP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:27:38 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: Bottom Line MP3s - last word If anyone's still keeping score, all 20 of the Bottom Line MP3 files are now up at: http://www.myspace.com/Folders/3934410/ Shared folder password: fegmaniax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:31:02 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) Jeff Dwarf : > and it's kinda >funny hearing a just-out lesbian declare she wants to fuck every man in >sight (the lyric quoted in EVERY review), though it makes more sense >when you hear it than you'd think it would. What? She's a just-out lesbian, too? She just became a Catholic "priest," I know, but I've heard nothing of this lesbian stuff... I think you might be mixing up "priest" and "lesbian". I do it all the time. lj p.s., Did anyone besides me (and surely Eddie) watch the new South Park last night? I think it was one of the funniest episodes EVER! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:31:46 -0500 From: Gene Hopstetter Subject: RE: Ed Haynes Wow, suddenly a smattering of posts about Ed Haynes, and how difficult it is to find his (only?) recording. I have "Ed Haynes Sings Ed Haynes" on both vinyl and CD -- email me offlist if you'd like an analog or digital copy -- and can't resist listening to it every now and then. "He fell in the oven and set it on bake." Har, that kills me every time. Poor cat. I even spoke to Ed -- I was music director at KLSU when his record was released -- and he did the radio promotion *himself.* So one day he calls me at the station and asks if I received his album, and I tell him I've been yapping about it to everybody within earshot since I received it, and he was really quite surprised. Whatta nice guy. And then he disappeard completely. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:56:26 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: roads of old london Eb asked about the 'gardens' and 'penguins' references in Adoration Of The City. At the risk of sounding like a Dylan fan, one literalist interpretation might have it that the Town he refers to is ultra trendy Camden Town in North London and the "Gardens at the centre" are Regent's Park which houses London Zoo..."Where the penguins stroll around." I spent many a happy afternoon as a child watching them do so... Of course this exegesis in no way rules out further allegorical, anagogical and metaphorical readings of the text :-) jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:16:03 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: hold back the night I remember Hold Back The Night being by a rather tacky disco-soul bunch called Trammps circa '75. Ah! The school discos of yesteryear... jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Sinead O'Lesbian - --- lj lindhurst wrote: > Jeff Dwarf : > > and it's kinda > >funny hearing a just-out lesbian declare she wants to fuck every man in > >sight (the lyric quoted in EVERY review), though it makes more sense > >when you hear it than you'd think it would. > > What? She's a just-out lesbian, too? She just became a Catholic > "priest," I know, but I've heard nothing of this lesbian stuff... > > I think you might be mixing up "priest" and "lesbian". I do it all the > time. No, O'Connor claims that she is a lesbian and has been for some time but was (my paraphrase) afraid to come out. I wish I could believe this, but it seems absurd even by her standards. I could easily accept that she is bisexual and while she has previously favored men she now favors women, perhaps exclusively. But her "always been a lesbian" (again, not a real quote) story doesn't ring true to me. She doesn't strike me as the sort of person who would masquerade as a woman who loves men in her lyrics, even if she would in interviews and such. And if she _is_ a bisexual who now favors women exclusively, why shouldn't she call herself a lesbian? Well, she can do whatever she likes, and many women I respect much more highly than O'Connor have done the same. It's the historical revisionism that bothers me, if in fact that's what's going on. The big coming-out story appeared in _Curve_ but I read about it secondhand, so I may have interpreted what she said incorrectly. Sorry I don't have a URL handy, but I'd bet the fan sites are carrying some info. > p.s., Did anyone besides me (and surely Eddie) watch the new South > Park last night? I think it was one of the funniest episodes EVER! I wouldn't go that far, but I definitely think Parker and Stone are back on track. Anything with a Mr. Garrison storyline is a good episode in my book. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:44:50 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: makin' mountains out of molehills LJ pleads: > But still, I REALLY REALLY want to hear what happened with Natalie! > C'mon, do tell... It really wasn't that big a deal. I tried to get Robyn's attention (just after he had signed some autographs) in a dumb fan-girl kind of way, in order to give him a tinfoil object, and got Ye Olde Brush-Off. I was upset about it because I was cranky and tired, and also because it takes very, very, very little to make me feel stupid and humiliated. I tossed the tinfoil sculpture (an image of Pan/the Devil) in his direction and walked off, and according to Tom and Simone he said "I've got some of these already, thank you very much" after I left. Robyn was obviously in a bad mood and so was I. Susan's post was enlightening: > At those times I avoid people and think I did it very smoothly, only to find > out that they saw me ducking away and were hurt or confused or whatever. > It's particularly bad when you're often chatty or friendly with these same > people, then people think you've suddenly turned asshole. Which is probably exactly what happened with Robyn. Sorry if I made this seem like a big deal, but in my year and a half of Thoth-giving, I've never been treated rudely - even the notoriously rude Stephin Merritt smiled and thanked me - so it was a shock to finally have it happen. This is like that one episode of "Three's Company" where there was a "big misunderstanding." n. p.s. The little devil sculpture was one of several left over from the Of Montreal show. Their singer seems to be quite shy. I told him that the sculpture could either be of Pan or the Devil, and he asked nervously, "Is he good or bad?" "The Devil is *usually* considered bad," I said. Then the drunk girl who had been screaming "OWL TRANSLATOR!" during the show tried to explain who Pan was. Anyway, it was amusing. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #174 *******************************