From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #173 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 28 2000 Volume 09 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Bottom Line MP3 FTP status ["Stewart C. Russell" ] hey kids [twofangs@gurlmail.com] Robyn and rudeness [lj lindhurst ] Eb on a smoking tour all over the world [Christopher Gross ] DSM-IV [Natalie Jacobs ] testing 1,2,3 [Dan Poppe ] Re: Robyn and rudeness [lj lindhurst ] Re: Robyn and rudeness [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Robyn and rudeness ["Randy R." ] re: Bauhaus, aka "thank god for stage lighting and fog machines" ["Andrew] Re: clearing a metaphorical throat ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Sorry [Tom Clark ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #171 [DDerosa5@aol.com] catching up [ultraconformist ] Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Re: Eb all over my record collection [Tom Clark ] Re: Ed/Eb/Bart [Eb ] Re: Ed/Eb/Bart ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Portland Stores [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Scott Walker (no RH) [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Chocka, Eb and Holly [Bayard ] roads of old london ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: stuff ["Gary Sedgwick" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:53:15 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Bottom Line MP3 FTP status Brian Huddell wrote: > > Stupidly I had no clue that there would be so much demand for the Bottom > Line MP3s. if any UK fegs want them either as CD-ROM or audio CD (or tape, if yer desperate) let me know. I have lftp growling away as I type... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:52:26 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Scott Walker (no RH) Ken Frankel wrote: >If you're expecting anything sounding like Nick Drake or >Syd you MIGHT be disappointed. I think the comparisons have >more to do with his mysterious hermit-like lifestyle than >the nature of the music. It's definitely not for everyone, >as I've found when playing his stuff for friends. Personally, >I think he's great, and sounds kind of like Sinatra on acid. Has >anyone heard the "techno" come-back album he did a few years >ago? Yup, it was called Tilt... Anyone already into his music and hasn't heard this has a treat coming - it's very weird, very different to his earlier work - well worth a listen! Cheers Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jun 2000 10:49:41 -0400 From: twofangs@gurlmail.com Subject: hey kids Hello everyone, Sorry - I'm behind by 3 or 4 digests - but I wanted to reissue a plea ... please send me an email to and then I can rebuild my addy book. thank y'all kindly ;-) randi : ) *what scares you most will set you free* ~robyn hitchcock ________________________________________________________________________ - --> get your free, private gURLmail account at http://www.gURLmail.com !! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:16:01 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Robyn and rudeness Well, I have met Robyn several times, and I have never known him to be rude. However, he does seem as though he wants to stay very aloof and detached from everyone. I think he is really a very private person, and once you get beyond talking about music, etc., he gets uncomfortable. One thing everyone says that's true: He *is* staggeringly tall. And he is also quite handsome. I especially like the fact that he's turning grey. My two cents! lj n.p., OK Computer-- and the bird is going NUTS singing along with it! (I think he has unborn chicken voices in his head)(hey look everyone I'm yammering on about my bird again) - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:24:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Eb on a smoking tour all over the world On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > Look, bub...I was asked why I like the Birthday Party and dislike Bauhaus. > I answered. Your own values may vary. I'm well-aware that it's almost > impossible for a non-smoker to be a Bauhaus disciple, so I recognize my > handicap. ;) Yeah, maybe that's also why I'm just a fan, and not a disciple. Nowadays I can't even stand secondhand smoke as well as I used to. Although I'm a nonsmoker, the last time I got too drunk at a party (never volunteer to be a taste-tester for the guy mixing kamikaze punch), I had a few cigarettes. Now whenever I smell too much smoke, especially from cloves, I flash on that hangover. (JH3, remember when you dropped by our house and I was barely alive? That was the day.) I'll never forget the 6/28/97 Sisters of Mercy show, when two guys next to me got into a fight because one accidentally burned a hole in the other's mesh top with a cigarette.... On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Chris Franz wrote: > Near the end of a tour? He's less than a week from the -beginning- of a > tour! Okay, let me change my theory to say "Robyn has played a good number of shows lately, so maybe he's just peopled out." - --Chris np: Echo & The Bunnymen, Songs to Learn & Sing ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:33:31 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: FW: Robyn and rudeness > Sprachen zie lj: > > Well, I have met Robyn several times, and I have never known him to > be rude. However, he does seem as though he wants to stay very aloof > and detached from everyone. I think he is really a very private > person, and once you get beyond talking about music, etc., he gets > uncomfortable. I would agree there. I had the chance to meet him in Seattle a few years ago at the Backstage (I think it was). There was a few of us lurking about when he came around and signed autographs and exchanged idle banter. My sister who was with me asked if she could take his picture and he pretty flatly refused saying he didn't look good (he'd just come offstage a while earlier and had changed into a tee shit) which is understandable. I had taken a few during the show (along with quite a few others) and he had said something along the lines of "well, there wasn't anything I could really do about that." - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:39:11 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: DSM-IV > And something not so nice - a clinician friend of mine tells me that > homosexuality is (again?) listed in the DSM-IV? My office-mate has a 1999 edition of DSM-IV and homosexuality is not in the index. If your clinician friend is correct, this must be a *very* recent change. n. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:40:35 -0700 From: Dan Poppe Subject: testing 1,2,3 Hmmm...I sent my first post to the list from a new E-mail address this past weekend, and it never appeared in the digest, so please pardon the test message. (tap tap tap) Hello? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:55:07 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Robyn and rudeness But still, I REALLY REALLY want to hear what happened with Natalie! C'mon, do tell... lj n.d.: the laundry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:27:30 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Robyn and rudeness On 28 Jun 00, at 11:55, lj lindhurst wrote: > But still, I REALLY REALLY want to hear what happened with Natalie! > C'mon, do tell... > Yeah, enough dancing around the issue. We *know* what a nice guy Robyn can be; let's hear how he behaved that night. LJ and I can't be the only ones who'd like to know, and surely one of you can find it in yourselves to tell us what happened. What happened? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:43:34 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: Robyn and rudeness From: lj lindhurst > But still, I REALLY REALLY want to hear what happened with Natalie! > C'mon, do tell... I concur. Oh pretty pretty pleeeez? I've had a couple of quickie meetings with Robyn, mostly due to alcohol induced bravado. Trust me, I wouldn't saunter up to the tall Brit with a sober conscience and say, "Robyn, great show tonite, and thanks for that box of 'Fiddle Faddle' you handed to me last year. It has a prize place in my cupboard" Robyn looked down at me, smiled quite sweetly, and shook my hand. And, as I turned to walk away, he tapped me on the shoulder and said "thanks, I appreciate it". Was he saying he appreciated my walking away after a few quick words? hmmmm. Maybe he was just in a good mood. I missed the show due to work related problems. Thanks to the ultra-fegs for the stories. I was looking forward to seeing a few of you at the show but, damn. Next time. Oh yeah, Geddy Lee roolz doodz, Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: re: Bauhaus, aka "thank god for stage lighting and fog machines" - --- Eb wrote: > Oh, and I forgot to mention the part about Peter Murphy's one-note > melodies. ;) If he sang more than one note, it might become apparent that he can't sing on-key. Drew, who doesn't smoke ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: clearing a metaphorical throat - --- "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" wrote: > Drew despises Walking On Sunshine but natters about The Bangles!!! Kim > wrote Going Down To Liverpool for them. You probably knew that > already... Of course, and I love "Going Down to Liverpool." I probably love Kim Rew in general. But I don't love "Walking on Sunshine." It _might_ sound better with Susanna Hoffs or Vicki Peterson singing it. But I wouldn't bet money. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: DSM-IV On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > > And something not so nice - a clinician friend of mine tells me that > > homosexuality is (again?) listed in the DSM-IV? > > My office-mate has a 1999 edition of DSM-IV and homosexuality is not in the > index. If your clinician friend is correct, this must be a *very* recent > change. this isn't a canonical answer, since i don't have hard evidence to hand, but i think it *was* listed until not-so-very-long-ago... maybe 1988? it was a big gay rights issue for a long time. thanks to the Ebster for the serious answer to my serious question. i guess i partake a bit of Drew's 'tude... i mean, bauhaus couldn't even sing "paranoia, paranoia" without cracking up in the studio...i think they were much more deliberately camp than most fans realized. and i thought (guitar player snobbery) that some of the stuff daniel ash used to do was very interesting for such a comparatively limited player. of course, when i started listening to bauhaus i didn't know that all those gimmicks (picking above the bridge, that sort of thing) had been done first by other people, but i still think they were integrated into the overall sound pretty well. and yeah, _for the country_, that still sends me. i don't remember _d is for..._ being nearly as good, but i remember it having many of the elements that would be better realized later. not only did seth tivens finally release a new dumptruck record last year (_terminal_, on devil in the woods) but anyone who fondly remembers _for the country_ and r.e.m. circa document/pageant could do a lot worse than to give a spin to log's _auto fire life_ (www.old3c.com). just a little jammier, feelies style, solid songwriting. Eb might not go for Paul Nini's voice which is on the gruff side, but he doesn't try to make it go places it doesn't go, and he's not peter murphy monotone or nuthin' like that. - -- d. np marilyn manson _antichrist superstar_ (what can i say... i really enjoyed his autobio, it made me morbidly curious) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:32:50 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Sorry When I wrote that excessive travelogue I just cut&pasted from WordPerfect into a mail client that I don't usually use. Apparently it wasn't hip to such bizarre characters as QUOTES. If anybody's crazy enough to want a more pristine version, let me know. - -tc I'm happy. Hope you're happy too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:36:59 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #171 natalie claimed: > I'm proud to say that it was I - yes, I - who turned Viv on to "Heavenly Pop > Hit." It was played nearly constantly on our trip to Oregon. I like "Soft > Bomb" a lot, personally, though I tend to listen to "Submarine Bells" more. > > BTW, Martin's surname is spelled "Phillipps." Too many consonants for my > taste. just as a purely academic footnote, I must point out that I played that album for Viv on our trip down to Alabama, though I don't think she was "introduced". At one point in the new Pynchon book Mason & Dixon, it is claimed that God was hiding America until the world was ready to see it. Similarly, I beleive that we can hear songs but not discover them until we are ready. dave by the way, that Cheese song I posted was from the same book, in case I never attributed it ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:37:23 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: catching up Just got home last night, resubscribed to the list and sorta catching up. From: hbrandt Subject: Re: Sometimes I Wish I Was... >It's certainly amusing when Robyn knocks the wind out of some of these >precious "classics". Um, Hal, you were not there to see Robyn's "funky dancing" as he medly'ed (neologisms r us!) "Sound and Vision" with "When You're In Love With A beautiful Woman" and that "rock yer baby" song. Count me firmly in the irritated camp. The thing that bugged me I think was that by sticking these together in a silly medley, it seemed as if they were being -equated-. On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > Since listbiz is dead slow beyond set-list and "where's Randi?" threads, > I'll toss out a weenie question with a bit more juice than the norm: What > rare, out-of-print albums are at the top of your frustrated "search" list, > which you can't find anywhere? "Consequences" by Godley and Creme. I just want to -hear- the blasted thing. I hear tell that One Way Records is considering putting out a deluxe CD edition but that was a year or so ago and it's not out there yet. Someone (matt sewell, I think): >make and keep him famous! (or anyone else for that matter) - like shit. I've >never spoken to Robyn because I can do without an unpleasant incident with >the bloke who writes some of my favourite music... this is a shame, >though... Actually AFAIK he's always been quite nice. A couple years ago he even had some of us fegs backstage for a pre-show chat at the House of Blues show. I think perhaps that everyone has moods. I also think, scoring high for introversion myself, that introverts just sometimes have moods where we're very withdrawn into ourselves or not really here. This happens -a lot- when for whatever reason it's impossible to get our requisite daily allowance of time alone- we've got to do it somehow, so we try to be alone while among others, which means drawing pretty deeply into oneself. This can be misinterpreted as dislike or coldness, and I can see how it would be. At those times I avoid people and think I did it very smoothly, only to find out that they saw me ducking away and were hurt or confused or whatever. It's particularly bad when you're often chatty or friendly with these same people, then people think you've suddenly turned asshole. OK, I know this is all "I" "I" "I", but I think there may be something a bit similar going on with RH here. Perhaps he's not gotten his alone time RDA on this trip and that's all it is. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:37:59 -0700 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: eels concert (Lots of BS, I mean B&S, actually) - --- Original Message --- lj lindhurst Wrote: - ------------------ I'm also digging the new Belle & Sebastian-- any opinions on the box set they just put out? (the re-releases of their early ep's) - ------------------ Personally, I find all the Belle & Sebastian EP's pretty good. The only thing that perhaps sucks about the "Lazy Line Painter Jane" box-set is that it's only 3 of the 4 pre-Legal Man EPs. I'm not sure which one isn't included, as I already had the EPs separately. On one of them...it might be the actual "Lazy Line Painter Jane" EP itself, one song has a guest singer that sounds uncannily like Maria McKee, I mean, almost exactly. I'm still a bit undecided on the new "Fold Your Hands Child,..." album. Usually, I need at least one kicking song to leap out from the rest and rock, or groove, or whatever. There were several on "Tigermilk", and the "Arab Strap" song also filled this need for me. "If You're Feeling Sinister" was just a perfect record. This new one seems even more mellow, pastoral, orchestral, whatever to me that the rest, and for some reason that's buggin' me some. That low-voiced guy singing with Isobel on the 3rd track just totally throws me off. And I haven't found the kicking song yet. Snag the "Legal Man" single for something totally different from this new album. It's pretty out there, way more experimental and stuff, so you know these guys do have it in them. The new record would have been a lot more inconsistent if they'd used the "Legal Man" stuff right in the album, but I think it might have made for a stronger record...does that make sense? Anyway, just my mumbly opinions. Haven't heard any mention here of the new Sinead O'Conner yet. My first spin left me with an okay, not bad opinion, but after several listens, I think it is certainly the best thing she's done since the "I Do Not Want..." album. Probably still doesn't touch "The Lion & The Cobra" though. Mike (who hasn't posted much of late, and will be unsubscribing here shortly for a brief vacation) Runion - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:44:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Eb all over my record collection On 6/26/2000 7:37 PM, HSatterfld@aol.com wrote: >>What rare, out-of-print albums are at the top of your frustrated >>"search" list, which you can't find anywhere? > >Not sure if this is out-of-print, but it is at least annoyingly hard to find. > >In 1989, Apache Records released a CD called, "Ed Haynes Sings Ed >Haynes". I have this CD, and I find it quietly hilarious, although I expect >it sold about three copies because it was labeled 'folk', and because I >bought three myself. > I had this on a promo cassette way back in the day and played the shit out of it. I lent it to someone along the way and never got it back. Being reunited with this would be like falling in the oven and setting it on bake! Highball highball highball dinner highball, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:44:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Ed/Eb/Bart >>In 1989, Apache Records released a CD called, "Ed Haynes Sings Ed >>Haynes". I have this CD, and I find it quietly hilarious, although I expect >>it sold about three copies because it was labeled 'folk', and because I >>bought three myself. > >I had this on a promo cassette way back in the day and played the shit >out of it. I used to have that Ed Haynes album on vinyl -- I even had it in my permanent collection. But a few years later, it didn't survive Tribal Council and was voted into the discard pile. I listened to the Juliana Hatfield albums in the past day or so...interesting contrast. Beautiful Creature is probably my favorite JH release since Hey Babe, despite its weak lyrics. Lots of lovely melodies, and Hatfield's singing has improved *tremendously* from the early days. But then Juliana's Pony finds our sullen waif straining for a grunge sound which is six years out of date, and losing most of her charm. Hrm. Oh yeah...I was supposed to babble a little about A Salmon for Bart. Well, it's not bad at all -- in fact, through the first seven songs, I was thinking it was just as good as Jewels for Sophia. But the quality dips, during the back half. There are five songs which I definitely like. "Daisy Bomb," probably my favorite despite its so-so lyrics, is one of those rare contemporary RH songs where my ears perk up and say "Hey! Here's a melodic lick which sounds new for Robyn." Specifically, what grabs me is the major-minor chord switch at the end of the verse ("...won't let you DOWN") and the chorus' peculiar tempo change and loony guitar shredding. Excellent. I also like "Adoration of the City," which has a nifty, bluesy chunkiness plus great use of old-school "ghastly" saxophones. Not many RH songs have such a strong soul influence, eh? What does "Chocka at the Hogarth" mean? "1974" remains a witty, thematically potent set of lyrics, though as some other folks said (I think?), the acoustic version somehow worked better. Some emotional intimacy was lost in expanding the arrangement, and the melody's run-on folk phrasing is better suited for a solo treatment. Still, a fine track. "Nietzsche's Way" is also good, though the lyric doesn't quite gel for me. Caesar as a tomato, the Los Angeles Police...hrm? I'm not sure all the elements add up. And my final endorsement goes to "The Philosopher's Stone," which mostly hooks me based on the rhythm track's simmering throb and Jon Brion's Middle Eastern flourishes. (Notice that the credits accidentally list him as "John Brion," twice.) Other tracks lose me, mostly based on their tossed-off, pastiche melodies. "I Saw Nick Drake" is another of RH's overused, pick-up-and-down-the-arpeggio tunes, and only has one melodic idea besides. "I Wish I Liked You" might've been a powerful, angry song, but by carelessly flinging the lyrics at a generic blues progression, RH robbed the song of all its bite and turned it into a mere novelty. "The Green Boy": more of those damned default arpeggios, repeating to the end of time. I almost like it, though -- a very close call. Certainly, it's better than several Jewels of Sophia tracks. Not sure what he's aiming for, in this lyric. What does the "green-striped" motif indicate? "Judas Sings (Jesus & Me)"? Just dull. Not surprising that it was written to suit someone else's purposes. "Antwoman (Dub)" is what it is, "I Used to Love You" is another case of a clichéd melody undercutting the power of the lyric (nice to hear RH on piano, though) while "We Are the Underneath" is repetitive and clunky. The production and arrangements are excellent -- this is hardly a case of discarded demos. I'm really pleased that Robyn's shooting for a more "dry" sound, lately ("I Saw Nick Drake," excepted). I hope he continues to collaborate with Brion. Anyway, I'll give the whole album a strong 13/20 on the Ebscale (Jewels for Sophia was a weak 14/20). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Ed/Eb/Bart - --- Eb wrote: > There are five songs which I definitely like. "Daisy Bomb," probably my Yes -- "Daisy Bomb" is the crucial song I was forgetting. Along with "1974," a wonderfully wordy song I like in any incarnation, probably my favorite here also. > peculiar tempo change and loony guitar shredding. Excellent. I also like > "Adoration of the City," which has a nifty, bluesy chunkiness plus great A great title whose song kind of disappointed me. > "I Saw Nick Drake" is another of RH's overused, > pick-up-and-down-the-arpeggio tunes, and only has one melodic idea > besides. I definitely agree with you here, and about "I Wish I Liked You" and "I Used to Love You." All three to me kind of hint at something important and personal happening that's kind of shielded by uncharacteristic plain-spokenness. As I write I'm realizing that this is one of the first times I've noticed Robyn masking emotions by speaking too simply, as opposed to clouding them with lush imagery. Does that make any sense? I don't feel the songs communicate fully and they seem too tightly capped, though they're still pretty naked in comparison to, say, "Balloon Man." They're constipated in a way that "1974," or better yet "No, I Don't Remember Guil(d?)ford" (when it's all shook out, I think that's by far one of his best songs since _Eye_, maybe one of his best ever), is not. I don't know. On paper they do seem to express a lot. I'm not sure why I don't feel they're open enough. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:15:56 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Portland Stores There are also three stores within two blocks of each on SE Hawthorne, between 37th and 39th. No one store is all that amazing, but it'd be worth zipping into all three of 'em, probably. Just down the street from these (31st and Hawthorne) is Crossroads, which has tons of vinyl and some CDs; they specialize in oldies rock LPs. These and the stores Michael Wolfe covered constitute the bezt in Portland, although there are a few other good ones lurking in the corners of town. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:18:34 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Scott Walker (no RH) In a message dated 6/28/00 5:02:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, matt_sewell@hotmail.com writes: << Has >anyone heard the "techno" come-back album he did a few years >ago? Yup, it was called Tilt... Anyone already into his music and hasn't heard this has a treat coming - it's very weird, very different to his earlier work - well worth a listen! >> Oh, right, I was gonna say: "Techno" ain't exactly the word I'd use for it. It's more a mixture of Arvo Part, slower Nine Inch Nails stuff, Peter Gabriel's third album, and maybe some Scott Walker thrown in for good measure ;-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Chocka, Eb and Holly >What does "Chocka at the Hogarth" mean? Maybe "the Hogarth is packed full"? Is it a theatre? A museum? Now what is "the great flyover" and why does it loom? =b "Chocka LIKE Holly!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:57:48 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: roads of old london In reply to Eb. "Chocka at the Hogarth", refers to a roundabout near Robyn in the Chiswick area of London. Choka is an abbreviation of the British (I don't know if any Americans use it) phrase chock-a-block meaning full up or crammed tightly. And indeed the Hogarth Roundabout can get choka (or chock-a) during rush hours. Don't cycle there, believe me, it's only just up the road from where I live too. To follow the lyric through, Hitch is quite right about the grey flyover looming as well... On a more general note, I'm glad that Ebothy has weighed in on the side of Robyn's latest two releases. There seem to be have been a few cases of Moss Elixir inebriation and mumblings of terminal decline recently which I for one think have *overstated* some perceived problems, to say the least. On Robyn rudeness - I've had 1 downright surly 3 or 4 aloof/distants and about 7 or 8 very pleasants. Scott Walker has just curated (or is still curating) the Meltdown festival on the South Bank. Nick Cave and Elvis Costello are amongst those who have done it previously. I haven't been to any of the events involved, but I did have a brochure which I might be able to find and post edited highlights. And yes Tilt is weird and wonderful, but hardly "techno". jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:11:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: roads of old london >In reply to Eb. "Chocka at the Hogarth", refers to a roundabout near Robyn >in the Chiswick area of London. So, do the images of gardens and penguins directly apply to London, too? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:36:23 +0100 From: "Gary Sedgwick" Subject: Re: stuff >>> first Bangles EP or whatever it was...self-titled, with "Mary Street," >>> "How Is the Air Up There?" and three others... >> >>I'm pretty sure this has never been on CD legitimately. I came out on >>Faulty records in like 1982 only on LP and Cassette. > >The EP was also reissued on IRS (on vinyl, at least), and I know because I >own a copy. I bought it used -- I think it cost 50 cents. > >Eb I too picked this up on the cheap - not sure who issued it (I'll have to dig it out), but it has a fantastically bad 80s sleeve. Never seen it on CD bootlegged or otherwise. >Saw Kim playing with Andy Metcalfe at The 12 Bar Club recently. Enjoyed it >immensely. Again it was very badly attended. UK fegs where were you? Um... on the way back from Legoland... ! Shame, as I did really want to catch that gig. On the subject of meeting Robyn, I chatted to him once before an appearance at the Cambridge Ball. He was affable, especially when it came to talking about bands, and also his new (at the time) book! I think the thing to bear in mind is what it must be like to be in Robyn's shoes in this situation - someone who you've never met before comes up to you and wants to have a conversation with you about this, that and the other, and you might be worn out after a gig, in a non-conversational mood, you probably don't have any interest / idea in what they're talking about, you might even have a huge personality clash from the outset... but from the accounts I've heard, Robyn never says "bugger off and leave me alone, I'm having a drink with a few friends and the last thing I want to do is talk to you" - which I can imagine a lot of people doing. Sometimes he's not perky, but it sounds like he does the autographing and chatting to keep his fans happy, and quite often goes out of his way to talk at length. Last word on the site I'm setting up - I know there are many more feg bands out there who haven't signed up to the new list. To recap, it's for unsigned bands and artists, run by such a person, which will hopefully help get new music *really* going on the web. And although the current (temporary) name is digital-music, it's NOT about digital recording or anything! If you're interested, sign up to digital-music at www.smoe.org. By the way, I'll be getting a FAQ to woj ASAP. Gary ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #173 *******************************