From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #159 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 16 2000 Volume 09 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: bike site ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... [Stephen Buckalew ] food For friends [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Bikelifters of the world [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Bikelifters of the world ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... [dmw ] Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy [Aaron Mandel ] Re: They're heaving up Cover songs ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] oops ["twofangs..aka..randi " ] we live in a wacky world [Eb ] more about Robyn & Grant Lee on KCRW [Griffith Davies ] you think *Robyn* has sales problems? [Eb ] Yikes!!! ["Marc Holden" ] eb all over the world ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] Re: eb all over the world [Jeff Dwarf ] and in the end [hbrandt ] Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: bike site let's start the ultimate minority fan club -- the human-powered fans of Robyn Hitchcock! I can see it now, honiton_clyst@topica.com... Stewart "my recumbent is in need of repair" Russell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:13:40 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... Andrew wrote: >I've always wondered: what are the legal obligations of an artist >playing covers? Andrew, If you record a cover and put it on CD, you have to pay $37.75 to Harry Fox Agency to print 500 or less copies, and it's $.07 per copy beyond that. For playing covers out, you need to have permission from the artist or publishing company that owns the copywrite. Most of the time this means paying for a performance rights fee. If you play in a bar or club that permits cover's, this means that they probably have already paid the performance rights fee, and your ass is covered. When you pay a performance rights fee, you have to pay for the whole publishing companies catalog! So it's often like around $500 a year or something. But usually the venue that you play in pays the fees. If the venue hasn't paid a fee (like many coffeeshops), you (legally) can't play covers without having permission or paying the fee yourself. If you can personally contact an individual artist, they will sometimes simply grant you permission to perform a cover song, without paying a fee. Most coffeeshops that haven't paid the fee will still turn a blind eye towards a few covers in a set of original material. I usually play a few covers in my sets of originals when I play out. Hope this helps! S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:29:57 EDT From: "brian nupp" Subject: C. $ Love Wow, It takes $500,000 to record an album? Come on, that's just wasteful. I've heard plenty of incredible "budget" albums. Ex: The Soft Boys' Underwater Moonlight cost less than 1000 pounds to record. Courtney has some great points though. If she's so upset, maybe she should start going into business for herself, or more in that direction. Bowie got screwed in the 70's, but totally recovered in the 80's and 90's. It's one thing to complain, but it's another thing to complain and wait for someone else to solve your problems. If that's what she's doing. Brian ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:39:09 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: food For friends Since everybody seems to be advertising their music, I'd like to follow suit: a friend of mine and me used to home record. You can find all we've ever done under . Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldgürtel 156, 50823 Köln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:28:37 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Bikelifters of the world Glen Uber wrote: > > I'm sorry if my original statements came off as being uncaring or > malicious. I should have thought them through some more. Yes, I'd like to > see more people carpool or ride the bus or ride their bikes, but the fact > remains that for some people, it's just not practical. Fortunately, I am > able to do two of the three on a regular basis. And, despite the fact > that I don't ride my bike very often, I would be happy to register it > every year if I knew that the money would be used to improve biking > conditions and safety. Unfortunately, the money is never used for the > things it's supposed to be used for. (See: California Lottery). I see what you mean. Probably I'd do the same (i.e. register or donate money for these purposes), but still I feel that that shouldn't be necessary. There is just a huge iniquity in the way the funds for different modes of transportation are distributed. "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > - --- Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> > Well, okay, so here's the problem. I'm chugging along at 30 mph in a >> > residential area. >> >> That's your first problem right there. The Green Party (and some members >> of >> others) in Germany are pushing for a general speed limit of 30 km/h >> (which >> corresponds to about 20 mph) in residential areas. > > Around here it seems to be down to 25 or so, but I don't think 20 > would help too much. I mention 30 because that's what it was in > upstate New York, and because 20 is a real drag. As I said, I was talking about the conditions in Germany. I've been to the US a lot, and I know that the roads are much wider etc. than they are here. Of course the drivers here complain as well that driving only 20 is a drag, but it's just a fact that over here kids still(!) play in the streets and that there is a world of difference in the "Bremsweg" (distance it takes for a braking vehicle to come to a full stop) between a car doing 20 and a car doing 30! I don't know the formula offhand, but I think a car doing 30 needs twice as long. > >> It's been done in >> some >> communities and the traffic-induced fatalities have decreased >> substantially. > > These would be the traffic-induced fatalities caused by people going > 21-30 mph? Apparently, although you know that it's usually like this: When you're allowed to do 30 you do 35, when you're allowed 20, you do 25 etc. So the accidents are probably caused by drivers going 26-35 mph. > I'm not athletic and I don't know how to ride a bike. And bike > seats hurt my ass. Otherwise I'd be with you, dude. I'm far from being athletic, although I'm currently working on that :-) It amazes me that there are people roughly my age who don't know how to ride a bike! I doubt that there are such people in Germany. It's really another world over there. OTOH, if you know that bike seats hurt you ass, you must have used one!? And that's really just a matter of using a good one. I like Brooks leather saddles, but the ones with gel are even more comfortable, if not as durable. "James Dignan" wrote: > Drew scribbled: >> I don't see a slippery slope here. Vehicles that can comfortably >> exceed 45 mph and kill deer on impact on the roads. Vehicles that >> can't on a path or in a lane. > > you want the cycle lanes littered with Trabants??? Which part of the condition do you think the Trabbi does not fulfill? :-) (is that an OK sentence?) Anyway, there aren't that many of them left, so that shouldn't be a problem ;-) Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldgürtel 156, 50823 Köln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: C. $ Love - --- brian nupp wrote: > record. Courtney has some great points though. If she's so upset, maybe > she > should start going into business for herself, or more in that direction. I'm not sure whether I believe she will, but her article certainly implied that she planned to. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Bikelifters of the world Great subject line. - --- Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > that there is a world of difference in the "Bremsweg" (distance it takes > for a braking vehicle to come to a full stop) between a car doing 20 and I don't speak much German so I am continually and agreeably surprised to find that there are eight-letter words for thirteen-word English concepts. Is it true what we used to joke about when determining whether a user interface could be translated -- that there are also thirteen- syllable German words for eight-letter English words? > It > amazes me that there are people roughly my age who don't know how to > ride a > bike! I'm an anomaly (in many ways). My father wanted me to learn and tried to teach me, two sure-fire ways to ensure that I would resist with all my strength. At the time we lived in the 'burbs where I could walk to my friends' houses but I couldn't bike to anywhere worth going, so there was no real motivator. And by the time we moved to a small town where a bike would have been a real asset, I was old enough to be embarrassed about training wheels, and only a few years off from a learner's permit. So it just worked out that I never became a proficient bike rider. I'd like to give it another shot, but I'm even more embarrassed now, and I'm not terribly coordinated so I know it would be a rocky path. Still I will probably try. > I doubt that there are such people in Germany. It's really another > world over there. No. It's as weird for me not to know how to ride a bike as it is for my girlfriend not to know how to drive. > OTOH, if you know that bike seats hurt you ass, you > must > have used one!? Exercise bikes. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:24:06 -0700 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... Stephen Buckalew wrote, >If you record a cover and put it on CD, you have to pay >$37.75 to Harry Fox Agency to print 500 or less copies, >and it's $.07 per copy beyond that. A bit more on this please...anyone...online, offline... I've been trying to nail this down for awhile, just out of curiousity. Mike "cover-less" Runion - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... if it's offline i'd like to be included too, s'il vous plait. our cover-ee told me not to worry about it, but i'd hate to see him (or us, for that matter) get in trouble. i thought there was something to the effect that the artist/copytright holder could vary the fee at will, to make it difficult for someone to record a version of which the original artist disapproved? On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 mrrunion@palmnet.net wrote: > > > Stephen Buckalew wrote, > > >If you record a cover and put it on CD, you have to pay > >$37.75 to Harry Fox Agency to print 500 or less copies, > >and it's $.07 per copy beyond that. > > A bit more on this please...anyone...online, offline... I've > been trying to nail this down for awhile, just out of curiousity. > > > Mike "cover-less" Runion > > > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, ultraconformist wrote: > Also, she's wrong about one thing: there's plenty of rarities to be > had on Napster if you're patient and know how to search. It isn't all > Smashmouth remixes. Actually rare and dusty doowop and psychedelia is > mainly what I look for and find a fair amount of, I don't download new > stuff at all. my luck hasn't been nearly as good, with a few exceptions. (the other day i turned up some of the original Mystic Knights Of The Oingo Boingo tracks, to my tremendous surprise.) it definitely lets you in on some of the harder-to-find stuff by bands that are popular but make a habit of *occasional* obscurity (or just put out lots of british CD singles), but i haven't run into much archival material. i do have some of the Robyn concert recordings that have been making the rounds, though, and i usually leave the window open during the day. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:16:50 -0400 From: "twofangs..aka..randi " Subject: robyn related ;) 1) I will find out what merchandise is being sold at Robyn's shows and post a.s.a.p. 2) Did someone pick me up a ticket for Mill Valley? please let me know -- for I do want to see that show in particular :) So many shows ... so much confusion ... fading back into yesterday, Randi ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *I feel the fear and I know I'm alive* ~ neil finn *acting steady always ready to defend your fears* ~ aimee mann *what I believe ain't always what I feel* ~ michael penn ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:31:58 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: They're heaving up Cover songs > >If you record a cover and put it on CD, you have to pay > >$37.75 to Harry Fox Agency to print 500 or less copies, > >and it's $.07 per copy beyond that. Assuming, of course, that Harry Fox actually handles those transactions for the publishers. We've recorded a cover of a song that is not handled by Harry Fox and it's been hell trying to get a callback from the publishing company. :) Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com Currently Reading: "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley "Freedom is the most demanding of all responsibilities. It is something constantly to be worked at if it is to be understood, maintained, and developed. Freedom is not so much the liberty to do what one likes, as the right to be able to do what one ought". - Ashley Montague ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:47:20 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: They're heaving up Cover songs Good point Paul, I forgot to point out that not all songs are covered by Harry Fox, but I think the links on there site point to the publishers, where you can find the case # of the song, and find out who handles the licensing for recording or performing. http://www.nmpa.org/links.html this is a link to Harry Fox and lots of music licensing resources, as well as music industry and songwriting guilds resources. Much more info than I can give is available there.... S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** At 02:31 PM 6/15/00 -0500, you wrote: >> >If you record a cover and put it on CD, you have to pay >> >$37.75 to Harry Fox Agency to print 500 or less copies, >> >and it's $.07 per copy beyond that. > >Assuming, of course, that Harry Fox actually handles >those transactions for the publishers. We've recorded >a cover of a song that is not handled by Harry Fox and >it's been hell trying to get a callback from the >publishing company. :) > >Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com >Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com > >Currently Reading: "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley > >"Freedom is the most demanding of all responsibilities. It is >something constantly to be worked at if it is to be understood, >maintained, and developed. Freedom is not so much the liberty >to do what one likes, as the right to be able to do what one >ought". > - Ashley Montague > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:22:42 -0700 From: "Scott Hunter McCleary" Subject: icons -- 50% Titus Groan content Mac and Windows icons based on the BBC series -- some XTC icons, too. Can only vouch for the Mac version at the moment. http://www.davidvanwert.com and follow the gift shop link. - ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:24:05 -0400 From: "twofangs..aka..randi " Subject: robyn's museum >>said a feg, whose name I cannot remember: >>Robyn seems to be one of the artists (or Artists) willing to let his >>website begin to take precedence over a major label deal ... >>He's great at marketing his own stuff > said susan: > Robyn has always been extremely suspicious of computers and technology in general. > I have no way to know this for sure but I have a strong feeling that the website stuff was Michele's idea. Well, I hope I don't into any trouble over this, but Susan's comment is right on the money. We have all seen Michele Noach listed as *Judge* in recent RH releases, and, she certainly, oh how shall I say it delicately Susan...? Michele is the boss / motivator / caregiver / dark princess to Robyn's lowly knight ... by choice of both ... and ... it is the best thing that could have ever happened to Robyn. A quick reminder of what I think we all know - David takes care of the website because of a fortuitous meeting between himself and Jonathan Demme ... and then came Michele to *judge* the idea. Robyn had almost nothing to do with it in the beginning. Fun facts on a Thursday afternoon in Portland ... fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *I feel the fear and I know I'm alive* ~ neil finn *acting steady always ready to defend your fears* ~ aimee mann *what I believe ain't always what I feel* ~ michael penn ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:27:16 -0400 From: "twofangs..aka..randi " Subject: oops the previously unknown feg in my last post was Mr. Hal : ) fading back into yesterday ... Randi get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:36:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: we live in a wacky world News story in the LA Times today: Richard Riordan, mayor of Los Angeles, has bought a $2.8-million home from...Dr. Dre. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: more about Robyn & Grant Lee on KCRW Fegs, I just found out that the show this Sunday night will be LIVE. They are scheduled to hit the airwaves at 10:00pm. Apparently Robyn and Grant Lee are on a tight schedule, and will have no time for a proper rehearsal - should be interesting (kinda "largo-ish"). KCRW's website now features several (two I think) webcams. One for the studio, the other for the DJ. I'll probably log on to see what is going on.... griffith np - The Posies, "Frosting on the Beater" ===== - --------------------------------------------------------- Griffith Davies hbrtv219@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:05:12 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: robyn's museum I said: > >>He's great at marketing his own stuff I probably should have said " 'Team Robyn' is great...etc." I didn't intend to overlook Michele's influence/guidance. > > said susan: > > I have no way to know this for sure but I have a strong feeling that the website stuff was Michele's idea. twofangs..aka..randi wrote: > Susan's comment is right on the money. > Michele is the boss / motivator / caregiver / dark princess to Robyn's > lowly knight ... by choice of both ... and ... it is the best thing that could > have ever happened to Robyn. Beautiful. Michele certainly has a great positive effect on Robyn's songwriting and psyche. Despite what southern Baptists say, I feel that many relationships would benefit if more men would relinquish "control" to their respective "Princesses". Thanks for the insight, Ms. Randi! /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:59:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: you think *Robyn* has sales problems? I talked to Varese Vintage, earlier today -- the label rep says the Claudine Longet compilation is selling 60-80 copies a *week*. Total! What's more, the guy is *happy* with that figure. Heh heh. Speaking of insufferable waifs, anyone heard the new Juliana Hatfield album(s)? I haven't. Regarding bios, I think the most horrible one I ever received was one for Praxis' Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis). I even liked the album all right, but the press bio was even more pretentious than the album title, if you can believe that. I thought I still had it around for novelty sake, but I can't seem to find it. But, oh, it made Praxis seem like the most landmark ideological collective since the United Nations.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:31:10 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Yikes!!! I was just looking for some Hitchcock stuff and came across a listing for a new Counting Crows bootleg CD. They covered "Oceanside" and "She Doesn't Exist Anymore". Off to be ill now...Marc Worship the potato? The idea seemed silly to me. But then I thought, what else is more deserving of worship? It's simple, it comes from the earth, and it can kill you if you disobey it. ---Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:33:58 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: eb all over the world begging the question: if praxis *aren't* the most landmark ideological collective since the united nations, who *is*? i guess my vote would go to the Little Rascals. KEN "Throw me the idol, I throw you the whip" THE KENSTER ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: eb all over the world The Kielbasa Kid wrote: >>But, oh, it made Praxis seem like the most landmark ideological >>collective since the United Nations.... > > begging the question: if praxis *aren't* the most landmark > ideological collective since the united nations, who *is*? i guess > my vote would go to the Little Rascals. the 1969 Seattle Pilots..... ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:15:41 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: and in the end http://www.wackycreations.com/lastpage.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: They're heaving up Cover songs.... On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > For playing covers out, you need to have permission from the artist or > publishing company that owns the copywrite. specifically, i think you actually need to deal with whoever owns the performance rights. i wish i could find a copy of the actual law; i believe the law that says you can't choose whether someone records a cover of your song was written to apply to bandleaders who wanted to perform a different arrangement of an existing tune. there's a bit in it about how one does not automatically obtain a mechanical license for a "travesty" of the original, which would cause serious problems for a lot of modern covers... the whole thing seems to be more a question of what one can get away with, on both sides. a ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #159 *******************************