From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #157 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 14 2000 Volume 09 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Catching up with .... [Griffith Davies ] RoynRobyn ["Asa Land" ] my dictionary [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: Catching up with .... ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Scooters (a.k.a. Seeking Subzero Percentages of Robyn Content) [dmw <] Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy [lj lindhurst ] Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy [ultraconformist ] Re: Scooters (a.k.a. Seeking Subzero Percentages of Robyn Content) ["Andr] Pirates! [Capuchin ] Re: Pirates! [Capuchin ] Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy [Glen Uber ] Re: Pirates! [Glen Uber ] forewarned is fourlegged [Eb ] Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy [hbrandt ] Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy [ultraconformist ] Re: forewarned is fourlegged [Eb ] meanwhile... [Eb ] Re: forewarned is fourlegged [The Great Quail ] They're heaves, but they're dry heaves! Rabid rantings from the department of sharkology [Mark] Re: meanwhile... ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: My [ Hebrew ] Dictionary [David Librik ] Re: They're heaves, but they're dry heaves! Rabid rantings from the department of sharkology [Glen U] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Catching up with .... I'm slowly catching up with all of the digests.... One of my cats died last week.... On with the show... First, I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but, look at this link: http://www.kcrw.org/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=or&air_date=6/18/00&tmplt_type=show Robyn & Grant Lee will be on KCRW this Sunday night (18 June 2000) sometime between 9:00pm & Midnight (Pacific). I'll be taping the show (in mono). Remember that those of you outside of KCRW's area can listen to the show via the web. next, I was thinking about "The Watchmen". I really don't think that this will ever be made into a movie. When a person reads a book, they are directing it themselves in their mind. The reader imagines the shots, lighting, set, costume, etc. This process is slightly different when reading "The Watchmen" because you are basically reading the storyboards. Most live-action adaptations of comic books that I have seen feature _new_ stories. I don't think that any director would want to simply take a comic book (or graphic novel) and adapt it for the screen. Since the storyboard has already been laid out, it limits the director's ability to put their own stamp on it. When I first read "The Watchmen" back in '89, I thought that it would make a great animated mini-series on television. I don't think any live action production could do the story justice. griffith np - nothing, CD drive is busted who watches the watchmen? ===== - --------------------------------------------------------- Griffith Davies hbrtv219@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:54:01 EDT From: "Asa Land" Subject: RoynRobyn I might also endorse Stormcock for its music, but only if it came with a disclaimer--sorta like "and dont try any of this at home kids." My problem with Harper is that there is hardly any affirmation in his stuff. I know he's had about as awefull a life as is possible, but the sheer power of the negativity of some of his stuff, well, as the old poster said, its not healthy for small children and any other living things. I realize this is an unpopular way of looking at music--its supposed to be pure and beyond good and evil, etc.etc. And Im sure that there are some really positive moments in his work, but when I was listenning in the mid-70s(and it might have been me, hell, it probobly was me) I found a certain terrible(in the old sense of the word--as in creating terror)quality to his stuff which didnt make my life any better.(Versus Robyn, who deals with all the bad stuff, yet somehow--lightens your load abit.) Asa The Ass whose Golden enough to actually believe in a moral compass. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:57:47 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: my dictionary > I'm talking about capitalizing after *colons,* not semi-colons! Sorry, I didn't read your post closely enough. I'll have to consult They Who Must Be Obeyed (Strunk & White) about capitalizing after colons. As was discussed earlier, Strunk & White command us to use a "'s" after plural names, e.g. "Hedges's inexplicable love of 'Go 2.'" omit needless words omit needless words omit needless words, n. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Catching up with .... - --- Griffith Davies wrote: > When I first read "The Watchmen" back in '89, I > thought that it would make a great animated > mini-series on television. I don't think any live > action production could do the story justice. I doubt a live action production _would_ do the story justice, but it's what the book deserves and as you note it would be the only way to avoid the problem of simply translating storyboards. Maybe it's just my mental pictures talking to me :) but in my head the thing looks PERFECT as a live-action film. I can't see it working any other way. As in _Sandman_, the "beats" from panel to panel are tightly controlled, almost overdetermined and overloaded (the "Tale of the Black Freighter," for example, always struck me as a little too much -- as BLATZMANNN would say, I "got it," but it seemed to weigh things down and serve as distraction rather than echo). It's almost impossible for me to imagine those translating to animation; with live action you could dispense with them entirely and use more filmic (and less meticulous, one hopes) methods of achieving similar effects. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Scooters (a.k.a. Seeking Subzero Percentages of Robyn Content) On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I don't see a slippery slope here. Vehicles that can comfortably > exceed 45 mph and kill deer on impact on the roads. Vehicles that > can't on a path or in a lane. how about no privately owned motor vehicles that can comfortably exceed 45mph? how about no privately owned motor vehicles at all in downtown urban areas? when there are bike lanes, i do use them. but if you haven't been involved in the struggle, i doubt you understand how hard it is to get communities to invest in support for alternative modes of transport. there are as a consequence, far fewer bike lanes than there ought to be. - -- d., the most militant anti-car activist on fegmaniax, i bet np iva bittova/pavel fajt - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:44:25 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy >This amused me: > >http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/print.html > > Stewart Yeah, go Courtney go!!! I especially liked this part: - --------------- "When I agreed to allow a large cola company to promote a live show, I couldn't have been more miserable. They screwed up every single thing imaginable. The venue was empty but sold out. There were thousands of people outside who wanted to be there, trying to get tickets. And there were the empty seats the company had purchased for a lump sum and failed to market because they were clueless about music. "It was really dumb. You had to buy the cola. You had to dial a number. You had to press a bunch of buttons. You had to do all this crap that nobody wanted to do. Why not just bring a can to the door? "On top of all this, I felt embarrassed to be an advertising agent for a product that I'd never let my daughter use. Plus they were a condescending bunch of little guys. They treated me like I was an ungrateful little bitch who should be groveling for the experience to play for their damn soda. "I ended up playing without my shirt on and ordering a six-pack of the rival cola onstage. Also lots of unwholesome cursing and nudity occurred. This way I knew that no matter how tempting the cash was, they'd never do business with me again. "If you want some little obedient slave content provider, then fine. But I think most musicians don't want to be responsible for your clean-cut, wholesome, all-American, sugar corrosive cancer-causing, all white people, no women allowed sodapop images. "Nor, on the converse, do we want to be responsible for your vice-inducing, liver-rotting, child-labor-law-violating, all white people, no-women-allowed booze images. "So as a defiant moody artist worth my salt, I've got to think of something else. Tampax, maybe. " - --------------- yours in unwholesome cursing and nudity, lj - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." --Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:34:23 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy >record label and keep nothing for themselves." I think a lot of young >bands go into the thing with the notion that they probably won't make >tons of money, at least at first, but they can expect to be compensated >at a fair wage. They're wrong, but that doesn't make them hypocrites. I didn't see anything sneer-worthy in the article either, actually. I'd also agree that it's probably true that a lot of bands don't go into music thinking they're going ot be toppermost of the poppermost, but geez, I think they probably do expect that they'll be able to own their -names- or that the rights to what they write/perform will or should be owned by their relatives or whoever they choose. That's not at all unreasonable. I kinda wonder where she was tho, when some other people (Don Henley and Sheryl Crow I remember specifically as being involved) were trying to fight this works for hire thing. Also, she's wrong about one thing: there's plenty of rarities to be had on Napster if you're patient and know how to search. It isn't all Smashmouth remixes. Actually rare and dusty doowop and psychedelia is mainly what I look for and find a fair amount of, I don't download new stuff at all. People who've never used it would be surprised how many people have MP3ed their really old vinyl and thrown it up there. Actually, out of random curiosity I've looked for Robyn Hitchcock and I've seen some RH rarities like Calvary Cross and the K records version of "Zipper In My Spine". I've also seen plenty of people offering tracks from "Star for Bram". I'm not sure how I feel about that one. Likely it will get at least a couple people who were on the fence to buy it, so that's a good thing. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:48:37 -0400 From: candl2@sensible-net.com Subject: My [ Hebrew ] Dictionary At 2:23 AM -0500 on 6/14/00, David Librik wrote: > Has anyone got either this disc or the original poster, and enough > knowledge of Hebrew to work out what the message says? > > - David Librik If you can tell me the letters and/or work out the words, I'll check my references for ya. I'm curious as to what it says m'self Chas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy - --- lj lindhurst wrote: [lj quotes Courtney:] > "So as a defiant moody artist worth my salt, I've got to think of > something else. Tampax, maybe. " Or heroin? Drew P.S. I'm not a big Hole fan, but I'm a firm believer in rock stars and that they should at least _appear_ to fuck shit up and generally make spectacles of themselves in some directed, opinionated way. For this reason, whether I like or hate Courtney or Marilyn or Eminem or even (uggggggh) ICP, I must concede that they are doing their jobs well. Of course, not all popular musicians should be rock stars, but that's another conversations. If we must have rock stars, and I think we must, let them be HUGE and CRANKY! Please! ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, ultraconformist wrote: > I kinda wonder where she was tho, when some other people (Don Henley and > Sheryl Crow I remember specifically as being involved) were trying to fight > this works for hire thing. that fight is still going on. as far as i can tell, the henley/crow argument is that the bill should be overturned since there was no debate on the work-for-hire clause, inserted as it was without discussion in an unrelated bill. dunno how that plays in a legal sense, but as fishy as i find it to be siding with don henley on something, i'm inclined too. that's another thing i really agree with c.love on: for those to whom this shit really matters, this shit is art, not product not content and not (at least not entirely) craft. i'm mixing up my mailing lists, have we been taking about aimee mann here? or on loudfans? either way, in terms of direct access models for established artists, i wanna mention throwingmusic.com, and kristin hersh's works in progress project. the other thing this needs, imneverho is what the record companies are currently so very bad at, a way for the next generation of worthy artists to get connected with their incumbent audiences. i think mp3.com's "other artists we like" is very interesting in this respect; a direct distribution model that let folks like ms. love, ms. mann, mr. hitchcock, ms. hersh, mr. mould, mr. eitzel, etc., 'endorse' new artists might also be interesting. - -- d. np last weeks slv rehearsal tape - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Scooters (a.k.a. Seeking Subzero Percentages of Robyn Content) - --- dmw wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > I don't see a slippery slope here. Vehicles that can comfortably > > exceed 45 mph and kill deer on impact on the roads. Vehicles that > > can't on a path or in a lane. > > how about no privately owned motor vehicles that can comfortably exceed > 45mph? how about no privately owned motor vehicles at all in downtown > urban areas? How about TARDISes? > when there are bike lanes, i do use them. but if you haven't been > involved in the struggle, i doubt you understand how hard it is to get > communities to invest in support for alternative modes of transport. > there are as a consequence, far fewer bike lanes than there ought to be. Believe me, I'm not blaming the bike riders. I'm just saying that as a driver I find it very difficult to coexist with cyclists on the road. It may be that I'm ignorant of proper ways to interact with same. It may be that I run into particularly clueless cyclists all the time, the way I always seem to end up driving behind senior citizens who drive 40 on the freeway and can't hear the noise telling them that their turn signal has been blinking for the last 10 miles. The solutions I'm proposing don't come from any practical knowledge of how to make them happen or whether they're good ideas. > -- d., the most militant anti-car activist on fegmaniax, i bet I'll reiterate: I don't like cars much either. If I were a cyclist I'd probably be ranting about inconsiderate, impatient drivers. The problems are coexistence and colocation. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Pirates! On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, dmw wrote: > that's another thing i really agree with c.love on: for those to whom this > shit really matters, this shit is art, not product not content and not > (at least not entirely) craft. This shit is art. I agree with that. Which is why (and I've sait before, I know, but I'm going to say it again here) it shouldn't be copyrightable. Copyright exists for the public good... that is, to encourage the creation of work for the public good. The fine arts are always for the public good, regardless of who distributes or reproduces them. Copyright doesn't make fine art "more good" and fine artists create work because they are compelled as artsists, not because they think they can turn a profit. Art created with the profit motive is something less than fine and does the public no good. Also, I can't believe these people think it's OK to leave your copyrights to your relatives or whomever. What a mess! Copyright is an incentive to create. Eternal copyright only leaves the incentive to create ONE successful thing. Is anyone here aware of the so called Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act? Man, this thing is a bitch. They want to extend copyrights another twenty years. That's twenty years BEYOND the 60 or whatever years after the death of the creator or 75 years total if the creator is a corporation or collaboration. Dead men don't need incentives. Much of what Ms. Love says is close to correct. I don't agree with her on copyright, but it's nice to see an artist come forward and explain how the record industry is fucked. Aimee man's minor rant at her next to most recent Portland show was good, too. I'm glad to see musicians get away from recording as their primary source of income. Who was it that quoted William Gibson recently saying, "I think we're at the end of about an eighty year window where you could make money on recorded material."? Anyway, that about says it. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Pirates! Wanna hear the pirate alphabet? Ayyyyy!BCDEFGHAyyyye!JKLMNOPQArrrrrr!STUVWXYZ Bye. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:06:44 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy On 14.06.00 07:44, lj lindhurst wrote: > yours in unwholesome cursing and nudity, I'm surprised Tom hasn't chimed in on this comment yet. - -- Cheers! - -g- "P.T. Barnum's marketing theories are the cornerstone of pop culture." - --Mark Gloster +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:15:25 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Pirates! On 14.06.00 14:09, Capuchin wrote: > Ayyyyy!BCDEFGHAyyyye!JKLMNOPQArrrrrr!STUVWXYZ *shaking my head* It's too hot today for puns. I don't know whether to laugh or groan. "...but it's a dry heat!" - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:19:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: forewarned is fourlegged Be advised: This week's issue of "TV Guide" has a fun "Where Are They Now?" article, which includes a blurb about Tom Lester, who played the notorious Eb Dawson on "Green Acres." Oooooh. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:48:14 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy Go Courtney! Robyn seems to be one of the artists (or Artists) willing to let his website begin to take precedence over a major label deal, and I can't wait. He's great at marketing his own stuff to his "patrons" (i.e. T-shirts, those Mrs. Wafflehead tapes, floating pens, cones, etc.) Maybe he's not so great at expanding his fanbase, but that's a different issue. "Bram" was a big step for the Museum, and more is planned based on hints RH has dropped in his recent interviews. Not to mention the fact that he's been heard playing Geo. Harrison's "Only A Northern Song" lately, so it's obvious he's been pondering these issues post-Warner Bros. /hal, who agrees Watchman is best left a graphic novel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:51:57 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: [0% rh] Courtney Love on piracy >Robyn seems to be one of the artists (or Artists) willing to let his >website begin to take precedence over a major label deal, and I can't >wait. He's great at marketing his own stuff to his "patrons" (i.e. >T-shirts, those Mrs. Wafflehead tapes, floating pens, cones, etc.) Robyn has always been extremely suspicious of computers and technology in general. I have no way to know this for sure but I have a strong feeling that the website stuff was Michele's idea. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:59:24 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: forewarned is fourlegged Eb wrote: > > Eb Dawson on "Green Acres." > > Oooooh. "Oooooh." Isn't that a sound more akin to Floyd the barber (or, perhaps Merv Griffin) than Eb Dawson? ;) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:21:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: forewarned is fourlegged >"Oooooh." Isn't that a sound more akin to Floyd the barber (or, perhaps >Merv Griffin) than Eb Dawson? ;) To be honest, I'm not sure I've even seen a full episode of "Green Acres." At least, not in years and years. And while I've seen "The Andy Griffith Show," I don't think I've seen an episode in which Floyd appears. (Didn't he leave the show for health reasons, long before it was through?) And I never watched "Merv Griffin" at all. So, it's hard to say. However, I was probably envisioning something more along the lines of Donna Summer in "Love to Love You, Baby." Or the ever-profane LJ in "Love to Love You, Allen." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:25:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: meanwhile... I'd just like to announce my new syntactical pet peeve, for you all to know and exploit: Folks who preface opinions with "Don't get me wrong...." Thanks for your patronage, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:31:16 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: forewarned is fourlegged Eb longets, >However, I was >probably envisioning something more along the lines of Donna Summer in >"Love to Love You, Baby." Or the ever-profane LJ in "Love to Love You, >Allen." Don't get me wrong, but why would LJ sing a love song to Eddie? - --Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." --Vice President Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:45:13 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: They're heaves, but they're dry heaves! Rabid rantings from the department of sharkology piracy: I still think it is comical that the people who make the most from their copyrights are the ones crying loudest. I suppose that for most of us who don't really make any money from our music are better off with the added exposure of getting our freeeee music out there than to have no acess for receiving royalties, no matter what percentage. I think I believe in receiving a royalty for my hard work, but I also am not offended by casual sharing of my intellectual property. Terry can play "Severe Tire Damage" in a coffee house and I'm happy about it. Jeme might play it on a coronet on a street corner and make lots of money. You don't see me cryin' about it. Record Companies: What Courtney describes is the way a label operates. Unless you are Witless Houston, Freekel Jackson, or Puff Daddy, it is not in their business interest for you to actually get some of their money. At best, people like ZZTop and Gubs 'N' Bozos had the brains to pursue other concessions- they also took business classes. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: there are more real millionaire musicians who are not on major labels than those that are. The major deal guys are making way more money from getting one song into a movie than they have earned the rest of their careers. Some of the marquis acts that give the label clout will get a living even if they are not constant platinum producers. Music industry: I know that the Sonys of the world are buying the internet music outlets so that they will be able to profit and share in the spoils of the future changes in the music delivery systems, but they are slow-moving types who would rather keep music at a snapshot where it was ten years ago, in terms of marketing. I think they have some power to slow the evolution and control it in their favor. These aren't the paranoid ramblings of a person of questionable lineage. The buying of internet media deliverers is happening rapidly. Bikes vs. cars: I wish things worked in a more cooperative way. I quit riding my bike because of cars. We competed for the same space. I was hit a couple of times, nobody ever stopped. As a former cyclist, I am really irritated at how rarely I see bicyclists obey normal traffic controls like lights and stop signs. General problems: I think the chief problem in the world is that people are breeding like rats on viagra and are too stupid to figure out that WE ARE THE PROBLEM. "Rats on Viagra," I crack me up. I'm sure that's enough outa me for now, - -Markg np. one of the best CD's I've ever heard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: meanwhile... - --- Eb wrote: > I'd just like to announce my new syntactical pet peeve, for you all to > know > and exploit: > > Folks who preface opinions with "Don't get me wrong...." "You will still be home in time (home in time) To watch the Pops featuring Chrissie Hynde (Chrissie Hynde)" (Terence Trent D'Arby, "Penelope Please") Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:57:25 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: Re: My [ Hebrew ] Dictionary > > Has anyone got either this disc [Postpunk Chronicles, _Going > > Underground_] or the original poster, and enough > > knowledge of Hebrew to work out what the message says? > > If you can tell me the letters and/or work out the words, I'll > check my references for ya. I'm curious as to what it says m'self It is hard to make out, and the vertical lines in the letters are almost unreadable, but I think the three words are (from right to left): Dalet - Shin - Mem (or Samech or possibly Bet) Lamed - Fe - Mem (or Samech or possibly Bet) Dalet - Tet - Yod - Ayin - Nun The last letter in the first two words could also be Kaf, but it's not Final Kaf so I don't think that's right. I tend to think it's "real Hebrew" simply because they got the Final Nun right. That doesn't mean it means anything. It was a surprise to hear from Jim Neill that it's not a real Soft Boys poster -- it looks exactly like what Robyn would have done at the time. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:19:26 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: They're heaves, but they're dry heaves! Rabid rantings from the department of sharkology On 14.06.00 15:45, Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > At best, people like ZZTop and Gubs 'N' Bozos had the brains to > pursue other concessions- they also took business classes. I'm going > to go out on a limb here and say: there are more real millionaire > musicians who are not on major labels than those that are. Well, I know that David Bowie certainly invested wisely. I'm sure he's the exception to your limb excursion. > Bikes vs. cars: I wish things worked in a more cooperative way. > I quit riding my bike because of cars. We competed for the same > space. I was hit a couple of times, nobody ever stopped. As a > former cyclist, I am really irritated at how rarely I see bicyclists > obey normal traffic controls like lights and stop signs. I don't ride my bike to work because 46 miles is a long way to pedal. I do, on occasion, use public transportation and would be more inclined to take it every day if there were better, faster ways than a bus that stops at each and every freeway exit for those 46 miles. I cycle around town when I'm going a short distance or when I'm not planning to carry much crap back home. If I were to quit smoking and drop a few lbs, I might be able to survive on a bike longer than I currently do. Unfortunately, in our quaint little town of 150,000, safety is a serious concern when biking around town. An example of the dire situation: My fiancee was an Olympic-class cyclist and even qualified for the Olympic time trials in 1988. She's afraid to ride her bike around town because of the way people drive. I have considered buying a motorcycle for my commuting, but haven't done so for the same reason Carol doesn't ride her bike around town. Although I am a proponent of cycling and alternative transportation, I believe that bicyclists do not have the same rights as autos for one reason: they are using for free the roads that the auto-whores (of which, admittedly, I am one) are paying for. Maybe one solution would be to charge cyclists a modest fee ($10 per year?) to use public streets. The revenues would then be used to add bike lanes on streets, bike access on bridges, and fix existing bike lanes and paths. That way, bikes and cars could co-exist in peace and safety. > General problems: I think the chief problem in the world is that > people are breeding like rats on viagra and are too stupid to figure > out that WE ARE THE PROBLEM. That was a fucking awesome quote! I think a t-shirt is in order. of course, I'll cut you in on the royalties, Mark. The rest of the money could be donated to the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement or the Church of Euthanasia. For now, I'm going to add it to my list of childfree quotes on the rant section of my web site. > "Rats on Viagra," I crack me up. As Dave Barry would say, "'Rats on Viagra' would make a great name for a punk band." Ok, I'm done, Glen "Don't look now but the thermometer just exploded." the Glenster ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #157 *******************************