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fegmaniax-digest         Monday, June 12 2000         Volume 09 : Number 154



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: eb all over the world                                  [overbury@cn.ca]
  Anchor Steam                                             [BLATZMAN@aol.com]
  Space battles all over the world          [Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>]
  Kenneth Anger                                            [BLATZMAN@aol.com]
  Re: Space battles all over the world    [Capuchin <capuchin@speakeasy.org>]
  Re: oh, you wanna talk movies?   ["Andrew D. Simchik" <schnopia@yahoo.com>]
  Anime                            ["Andrew D. Simchik" <schnopia@yahoo.com>]
  Friday's Robyn shows in NYC. real live RH content, %90, unnecessary nonsense, %10  [lj lindhurst <ljl@w-r]
  Re: Space battles all over the world      [Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>]
  Lathe of Heaven--Dede's perspective (as if you all care!)  [Dede Davis <de]
  Re: FW: Friday's Robyn shows in NYC. real live RH content, %90, unnec essary nonsense, %10  ["Chris Franz" <chris]
  Re: Friday's Robyn shows in NYC                 [Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>]
  Re: Kenneth Anger                         [Ken Ostrander <kenster@MIT.EDU>]
  Re: Space battles all over the world    [Capuchin <capuchin@speakeasy.org>]
  I am an ass. no, make it a big ASS                       [BLATZMAN@aol.com]
  eb all over the world              ["The Kielbasa Kid" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Space battles all over the lawn       [Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>]
  Re: Space battles all over the world      [Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>]
  the "city of angels" all over the world  ["The Kielbasa Kid" <etews@hotmai]
  Re: Lathe of Heaven--Dede's perspective (as if you all care!)  [candl2@sen]
  [none]                             ["The Kielbasa Kid" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  A Plea                                    [Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>]

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:14:38 -0400
From: overbury@cn.ca
Subject: Re: eb all over the world

On 12 Jun 00, at 0:23, Allen Tews wrote:

> 
> <I wasn't spoiling for a fight when I asked "why".>
> 
> i hope i didn't sound antagonistic!  'twas not my intent.

Nope.  That was just me, pussyfooting so you wouldn't see
my reply as antagonistic.


> <He's not altering the future by going back into the past and changing
> events, he's altering the past from the present by redesigning it from
> that perspective.>

Which is what Viv just said with more eloquence.  Didn't read my 
reply, Viv?  Sniff.

> 
> if i understand you correctly, you're saying his dreams *compensate*
> for the objections i've raised above?  i'm afraid i don't think they
> do (at least not realistically).

No, I'm saying that U.K.L. invented a whole new way of changing 
the past/present that operates under its own rules.

 
> because Star Wars succeeds on its own terms -- as a gold ol'-fashioned
> manichean swashbuckler -- set in "outer space".  is it a "great"
> movie?  is it even within sniffing distance of my top 100?  no.  but
> it's fun for what it is.

I think I would have enjoyed it much more except for the 
unprecedented (to my memory) hype, and the impact on
what passed for SF afterward.


> <The Illustrated Man>
> 
> there was a movie of Illustrated Man?  was it any good?  

Yup.  Rod Steiger was in it as the Man,  IIRC.   Good?  I liked
it.  Take that with as much salt as you need.
 
> i apologise if i'm being overly pedantic and absolutely boring the
> pants off of everybody.
  
Well, I did ask for it.

PS:  I caught the tail end of Zardoz last night on the Space 
Channel.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:18:48 EDT
From: BLATZMAN@aol.com
Subject: Anchor Steam

Yes, the best, especially when it's fresh.  It's really too bad that Old 
Foghorn is out of season.  It is simply the best barlywine I have ever had.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Space battles all over the world

- --- overbury@cn.ca wrote: 
> Which is what Viv just said with more eloquence.  Didn't read
> my 
> reply, Viv?  Sniff.

Mais oui, monsieur! I just didn't understand that you meant what
I meant, and vice versa. Of course, if you agree with me, you
must be right.

I am also in total agreement with you (again insuring your
rightness) re: space battles not constituting adequate science
fiction. Aliens and spaceships in of themselves do not science
fiction make. It's just a different genre of fantasy- there's
nothing remotely scientific about it, nor metaphysical, nor
philosophical. It just isn't that interesting.

Vivien
ps- do not take the above to mean I don't like a good space
battle as much as the next red-blooded American. I will admit
that I actually enjoyed 'Independence Day'....thus eliminating
any credibility I ever may have had. 


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:09:53 EDT
From: BLATZMAN@aol.com
Subject: Kenneth Anger

Kenster, you sound verrrry angry about Phantom Menace!

<< the trilogy's effects are MUCH more impressive than Phantom Menace's.  
why?  
 because they used models, sets, puppets, makeup, etc..  in short, they 
 worked with *actual* things, and they used *creativity*. >>

How can you say Star Wars used "creativity" as opposed to Phantom Menace?  
Look, I'm not going to defend Menace, but 90% of your complaints have nothing 
to do with the visuals.  Bottom line is Lucas should not have directed it.  
He made a film for small children, and you wanted him to make a film for 
adults.  Lucas didn't make the film you wanted him to make, so you're angry 
about it.  Granted, I am crying right along side with you, but you have to 
realize that Lucas is older and he has changed.  There is a lot of killing in 
Star Wars, and it is great.  Take the Snow Walker scene in Empire.  It is 
played as DRAMA.  Now take the battle in Menace, and you see that Lucas 
DIDN'T play it for Drama CAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO.  He staged the battle with 
some giggles and a bit of slapstick.  My God, just think of the Snow Walker 
Battle, and if that had been played for laughs.

It's not the effects that you sound mad at, it is the film.  

And to say that every digital addition to Star Wars was obtrusive is just 
silly. Thanks to digital technology , there are no more stupid blue screen 
borders around the ships in outer space.  I also prefer the digital planets 
blowing up to the clunky models.  

Kenneth Angrily continous:
"Episode IV is far from a perfect movie.  but it's got a plot, it's got 
interesting characters, it's got great, quotable dialog, it's got way cool 
visuals.  in other words, it has a heart."

Sorry, but Menace has plot, but it does lack "heart".  I think you're putting 
Star Wars up on a pedastle.  The dialog and the acting SUCK!!!!  I think the 
acting improves greatly from Star Wars to Empire.  Since I have no 
explanation for this, I'm going to assume it was the director who pulled 
better performances out of the actors.

AND:
2. "state of the art" is a wholly different animal from "seamless".
Yes, but what is "seamless"?  Star Wars Blue Screen spillage?

AND:
"no matter what you might think of Titanic, it's undeniable that the movie is 
driven by dicaprio and winslet, *not* the effects."

Undeniable for you, but I went 5 times just to see the boat sink.  It was 
glorious.  That boat sinking was the most exciting thing I've seen in film 
for many years, and I wanted to see it as many times as possible on the big 
screen.  So yes, I am denying your premise.

And Finally:
1. its "type" is film-as-product; *not* art, nor even entertainment.

Of course films are "product".  With budgets in the millions to the hundred 
millions, you shouldn't view them as anything other than "products". Films 
are business decisions, and investors want a return.  We all know that 
Gilliam's Baron film lost a ton of money.  I recall hearing that it was one 
of the biggest bombs of that year.  It was a bad investment.  And by the way, 
I don't find these visuals "seamless" at all.  Some of the effects look 
cheap, and that is because the budget skyrocketted and there wasn't enough 
money to put into them.

Dave

 

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:14:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@speakeasy.org>
Subject: Re: Space battles all over the world

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Vivien Lyon wrote:
> I will admit that I actually enjoyed 'Independence Day'....thus
> eliminating any credibility I ever may have had.

You will find all of your things on the lawn.

Good day, madam.
J.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:15:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Andrew D. Simchik" <schnopia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: oh, you wanna talk movies?

- --- steve <schiavo@home.com> wrote:
> Andrew D. Simchik:
> 
> >I really had mixed feelings about _Mononoke_.  Really fine visuals,
> some
> >fantastic scenes, but whole stretches of the movie left me kind of cold
> >and, well, bored.
> >
> >It was BORING ARTHOUSE FARE!  (No, not really.)
> 
> Seems to me that a lot of (most?) Japanese films have a slower pace than
> Hollywood fare.  

It wasn't the slow pace so much.  I've seen plenty of slow-paced anime
I really liked.  I'm not quite sure what the problem was here...maybe
the whole thing just felt too foregone, being all mythical and shit.

Drew


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Andrew D. Simchik" <schnopia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Anime

- --- Natalie Jacobs <jacobsn@careoregon.org> wrote:

> More movie stuff: I really dug "Princess Mononoke."  I was happy to see
> Japanese animation where the characters don't all have huge eyes and
> tiny
> mouths. Claire Danes was awful, though.

Yeah, Danes was a big problem.  I was amazed that I actually enjoyed
Gillian Anderson's contribution.  I didn't think it was particularly
good, objectively, but there was something very appealing about her
performance.

The only kind of anime that really turns me off is the DragonballZ
variety.  I can enjoy just about everything else, including Sailor Moon,
Pokemon, Ranma 1/2, and Oh! My Goddess.  But in general I'd agree
that I prefer it a little more sober.  Lately I've been working through
Vampire Princess Miyu (the series is basically Sailor Moon Goth, which
is disappointing -- the original stuff was better) and Lain, a series
which for all its semi-pretentious Internet-mythologizing is surprisingly
rich, beautiful, and detailed.  Lain has big eyes and a tiny mouth but
is still more Mononoke than Ranma.  The show is strikingly _silent_.
The animation -- I should say art, because the best bits are fairly
static -- is gorgeous by the usual standards.  And there are some
terrific moments -- a look exchanged between Lain and her parents
that involved more "acting" than I've seen in 97% of your live-action
films.  It's great.

Drew


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:26:16 -0400
From: lj lindhurst <ljl@w-rabbit.com>
Subject: Friday's Robyn shows in NYC. real live RH content, %90, unnecessary nonsense, %10

I just noticed that in the last Time Out, they have the Friday night 
Bottom Line shows listed as:

"Susan Baca with John Medeski, Robyn Hitchcock + Sheila Nicholis, 
June 16.  Bottom Line. $20."

Does this mean there aren't two shows?  Does this mean that Robyn is 
playing WITH these people?  Who are these people?  Is that the 
"Mediski Martin and Something" guy?  Wha-wha-what??

Nonetheless, I am assuming the show still starts at 8pm.  A few of us 
are rendezvousing at Madame X at around 6pm, so anyone who is 
interested:

it's at 94 West Houston.  It's right down from the Angelika there, 
between Thompson and Laguardia.  It's downstairs. 
(http://newyork.citysearch.com/E/V/NYCNY/0015/40/99/cs1.html)

Show up and the Great Quail will buy you an entire bottle of sake! 
(I swear, he's **100% serious** about it, he will buy you AN ENTIRE 
BOTTLE OF SAKE)(and then force a book on Scientology on you)

Your friend,
SUPERSTAR!!!   <---please do refer to me by this name from now on


- -- 
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Urine and You are Yellow Shohben.' As as far I saw in the situation 
today, I was such Yellow Urine.  And the world is reading these. "
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Space battles all over the world

- --- Capuchin <capuchin@speakeasy.org> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Vivien Lyon wrote:
> > I will admit that I actually enjoyed 'Independence
> Day'....thus
> > eliminating any credibility I ever may have had.
> 
> You will find all of your things on the lawn.
> 
> Good day, madam.
> J.

May I remind you, sir, that you worship at the altar of The
Phantom? 

Vivien
ps- we don't have a lawn.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:18:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dede Davis <deedle_d@yahoo.com>
Subject: Lathe of Heaven--Dede's perspective (as if you all care!)

First of all, Eddie, I haven't posted about this topic 'cause I've been
out of town.  Secondly, for those of you who think I'm loony for
reciting the Litany Against Fear at the dentist, it really works! 
There was even an episode of Law & Order where a rape victim recites it
in court when confronted with her rapist.  

O.K.  Lathe of Heaven.  My slack-ass, redneck, backwoods area PBS
stations...surprise!...didn't carry it.  So, of course, the last time I
saw it was 20 years ago, which means my memory my be slightly faulty. 
But, let me tell you what, that movie made be go out and buy the book,
now one of my all-time favourite books.  And that book turned me on to
Ursula LeGuin, now one of my all-time favourite authors.  But from what
I can remember, it was pretty faithful to the book.  A lot of your
problems with it, Eddie, are in the book.  There's even a passage in
the book, toward the end when things are really starting to fall apart,
where Orr notices that, throughout every change, he's lived in the same
part of town and had similar jobs, but in the current "present" he
doesn't, so knows that things have really gotten out of hand.  The rain
part I don't remember; it was of lesser significance in the book.  I
think Vivien made a very good defense of all the problem Eddie
mentions, the biggest one that the lack of continuity is actually a
plotpoint, rather then a directoral flaw.  Edward, baby, you know I
love you--but I can't believe all this nitpicking when you haven't even
read the book.  Go and get the book--NOW.  If it's out of print, I'll
send you mine.

Say, *did* anybody tape it?  I'm SEVERELY tempted to spend the $80
donation to WNET it takes to get it from them--altho I already lost $60
a couple years ago trying to order this video from some (it turned out)
bogus Internet video company.

=====
Dede

"...I am living in a nightmare, from which time to time I wake in sleep."--Ursula LeGuin, _The Lathe of Heaven_

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:31:15 GMT
From: "Chris Franz" <chris_franz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Friday's Robyn shows in NYC. real live RH content, %90, unnec essary nonsense, %10

SUPERSTAR lj:
>I just noticed that in the last Time Out, they have the Friday night
>Bottom Line shows listed as:
>
>"Susan Baca with John Medeski, Robyn Hitchcock + Sheila Nicholis,
>June 16.  Bottom Line. $20."
>
>Does this mean there aren't two shows?  Does this mean that Robyn is
>playing WITH these people?  Who are these people?  Is that the
>"Mediski Martin and Something" guy?  Wha-wha-what??

Sheila Nichols opened for the artist formerly known as Dan Bern at a recent 
show at the Freight & Salvage in Berkeley.  A perfect example of what Viv 
would have called "cunt rock"... actually not half-bad, if you don't mind 
that sort of thing.  She alternated between guitar and piano during her set, 
and had a cellist and someone else with her.   A friend of mine became a big 
fan of hers based on that show.

I can't imagine she and Robyn are actually playing together, but who knows;  
Robyn seems to be in a phase where he enjoys chance collaborations with 
random musicians.

- - Chris





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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:33:18 -0700
From: Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Friday's Robyn shows in NYC

Simple question: Will "A Star for Bram" be sold at upcoming RH shows?

Eb

PS  My Claudine Longet site has had 162 hits in the past 14 hours --
usually, it averages about 30 hits a day. Heh heh. Anyone see the E!
special yesterday? Nothing thrilling, but I appreciate the hype. ;)

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:51:44 -0400
From: Ken Ostrander <kenster@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kenneth Anger

Dave, I think you should know that I didn't write any of the things that
you have attributed to me below.  I'll leave it to you to figure out who it
actually was.  By the way, I managed to enjoy episode one mostly because I
heard all of the backlash ahead of time and prepared myself for a kiddie
movie.  

ken  
"still hoping to run into natalie portman in harvard square"  
the real kenster


>Kenster, you sound verrrry angry about Phantom Menace!
>
><< the trilogy's effects are MUCH more impressive than Phantom Menace's.  
>why?  
> because they used models, sets, puppets, makeup, etc..  in short, they 
> worked with *actual* things, and they used *creativity*. >>
>
>How can you say Star Wars used "creativity" as opposed to Phantom Menace?  
>Look, I'm not going to defend Menace, but 90% of your complaints have
nothing 
>to do with the visuals.  Bottom line is Lucas should not have directed it.  
>He made a film for small children, and you wanted him to make a film for 
>adults.  Lucas didn't make the film you wanted him to make, so you're angry 
>about it.  Granted, I am crying right along side with you, but you have to 
>realize that Lucas is older and he has changed.  There is a lot of killing
in 
>Star Wars, and it is great.  Take the Snow Walker scene in Empire.  It is 
>played as DRAMA.  Now take the battle in Menace, and you see that Lucas 
>DIDN'T play it for Drama CAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO.  He staged the battle with 
>some giggles and a bit of slapstick.  My God, just think of the Snow Walker 
>Battle, and if that had been played for laughs.
>
>It's not the effects that you sound mad at, it is the film.  
>
>And to say that every digital addition to Star Wars was obtrusive is just 
>silly. Thanks to digital technology , there are no more stupid blue screen 
>borders around the ships in outer space.  I also prefer the digital planets 
>blowing up to the clunky models.  
>
>Kenneth Angrily continous:
>"Episode IV is far from a perfect movie.  but it's got a plot, it's got 
>interesting characters, it's got great, quotable dialog, it's got way cool 
>visuals.  in other words, it has a heart."
>
>Sorry, but Menace has plot, but it does lack "heart".  I think you're
putting 
>Star Wars up on a pedastle.  The dialog and the acting SUCK!!!!  I think the 
>acting improves greatly from Star Wars to Empire.  Since I have no 
>explanation for this, I'm going to assume it was the director who pulled 
>better performances out of the actors.
>
>AND:
>2. "state of the art" is a wholly different animal from "seamless".
>Yes, but what is "seamless"?  Star Wars Blue Screen spillage?
>
>AND:
>"no matter what you might think of Titanic, it's undeniable that the movie
is 
>driven by dicaprio and winslet, *not* the effects."
>
>Undeniable for you, but I went 5 times just to see the boat sink.  It was 
>glorious.  That boat sinking was the most exciting thing I've seen in film 
>for many years, and I wanted to see it as many times as possible on the big 
>screen.  So yes, I am denying your premise.
>
>And Finally:
>1. its "type" is film-as-product; *not* art, nor even entertainment.
>
>Of course films are "product".  With budgets in the millions to the hundred 
>millions, you shouldn't view them as anything other than "products". Films 
>are business decisions, and investors want a return.  We all know that 
>Gilliam's Baron film lost a ton of money.  I recall hearing that it was one 
>of the biggest bombs of that year.  It was a bad investment.  And by the
way, 
>I don't find these visuals "seamless" at all.  Some of the effects look 
>cheap, and that is because the budget skyrocketted and there wasn't enough 
>money to put into them.
>
>Dave
>
> 
>

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:06:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@speakeasy.org>
Subject: Re: Space battles all over the world

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Vivien Lyon wrote:
> May I remind you, sir, that you worship at the altar of The
> Phantom? 

What?  The Phantom was shit.

Now, The Shadow... there's a story...

*sniff*  I thought you KNEW me...

> ps- we don't have a lawn.

Well, near those little ivy stumps outside the building, then.
J.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:07:36 EDT
From: BLATZMAN@aol.com
Subject: I am an ass. no, make it a big ASS

Kenster!

AARRRGGGGHHHH

How does one properly apologize for such a ripping.

And I thought my Kenneth Anger subject was soooooooo freakin clever!!!!!

I must stop reading this stuff at work!
Dave

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:41:29 PDT
From: "The Kielbasa Kid" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: eb all over the world

<Eddie, continuity errors are sort of the _point_ of Lathe of
Heaven. It's the 'continuity errors' that Orr induces that start
to break up the fabric of space/time.>

okay, i'll take your word for it.  but isn't it then much easier for orr to 
realise that he's not insane?


<He's _not_ altering the past, he's altering the present. The three people 
who know what's going on remember the past, because it hasn't really 
changed. Most of the people have false memories of the past, and a few 
people have vague recollections.>

but doesn't that introduce a, sort of, "winston smith problem"?  anybody 
could just go look in the newspaper archives.  also, isn't it quite a 
stretch to expect nobody to remember that yesterday there were 75% more 
people in the world?


<If Haber weren't 'allowed to remember,' he would never be able
to embark on his plan to change the world.>

i know.  but think about this: it'd be even *better* if somehow a 
*different* person every time induced him to dream this, that, and the 
other.  i guess i think the *really* delicious concept here is his 
questioning of his own sanity.


<ps- Eddie, I'm almost loathe to ask: did you tape it? I'm ever
so curious to see it, badly done or no.>

yes, but in ep mode, because they tacked the moyers interview onto the end, 
so the entire program's three hours in length.  (of course, if they'd taken 
out all the phone-banking, it'd have slid right in in 14 minutes.)

i can't be the only one who did?  anywho, anybody wants a copy, send me one 
(1) blank vhs (ntsc format) tape, and an sase at:
mr. horton
4419 229th ave. ne
redmond, wa 98053

oh, you can send a PAL tape if you *really* want to.  but in that case, i 
can't really vouch for the results.  (yes, vivien and dede, i'll just up and 
send you copies, so don't worry about all that sase rigamarole.)

and yes, i'll read the book.  hell, i'm sitting in a library as we speak....


<How can you say Star Wars used "creativity" as opposed to Phantom Menace?>

because it's true.


<Look, I'm not going to defend Menace, but 90% of your complaints have 
nothing to do with the visuals.>

the 90% number may need a little tweaking one way or the other.  but you're 
essentially right: the screenplay is shit; and it wouldn't matter if it had 
the greatest visuals ever, nothing can really save a movie with a shit 
screenplay.
all i said was that the trilogy had more impressive effects than Phantom 
Menace (and that Jurassic Park looks like claymation).


<He made a film for small children, and you wanted him to make a film for 
adults.  Lucas didn't make the film you wanted him to make, so you're angry 
about it.>

in point of fact, the movie was actually a little bit *better* than i'd been 
expecting.  Willow hammered any lingering thoughts that lucas might actually 
have another good movie in him right out of my head.


<Sorry, but Menace has plot>

yeah, but it's a plagiarisation of Episode IV's.


<I think you're putting Star Wars up on a pedastle.  The dialog and the 
acting SUCK!!!!>

well, i did say that it isn't within sniffing distance of my top 100.  i 
think the acting's fine, and the dialog is great.  c'mon, admit it: you walk 
up to a random person, at least once per year, and bellow, "Red Five 
standing by!"  admit it!  (or if not that, then at least, "You're taking an 
awful risk Vader...this had better work.")  admit it!


<Yes, but what is "seamless"?  Star Wars Blue Screen spillage?>

think 2001.  think Ghostbusters.  think Brazil.  think Delicatessen.  think 
Blade Runner.


<Undeniable for you, but I went 5 times just to see the boat sink.>

fine.  but you must know that you're seriously in the minority?


<Of course films are "product".>

but does that mean we have to like it and/or accept it?


<Gilliam's Baron film lost a ton of money.  I recall hearing that it was one 
of the biggest bombs of that year.  It was a bad investment.>

ergo, it shouldn't have been made?


<And by the way, I don't find these visuals "seamless" at all.  Some of the 
effects look cheap>

i cannot agree with this statement in the slightest.  remit some examples.


<and that is because the budget skyrocketted and there wasn't enough
money to put into them.>

incorrect.  the budget problems forced them to omit scripted scenes (the 
criterion laserdisc includes storyboards of un-filmed scenes, which would 
have been dyn-o-mite had they made it to celluloid, alas), but there was no 
cutting of corners in what *did* make it onto film.


<ps- we don't have a lawn.>

well, you have that cool courtyard thingy.  that's probably what he meant.




KEN "Mobile Chernobyl" THE KENSTER










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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Space battles all over the lawn

- --- Capuchin <capuchin@speakeasy.org> wrote:
> What?  The Phantom was shit.
> 
> Now, The Shadow... there's a story...
> 
> *sniff*  I thought you KNEW me...


Yes, Cappy, thou I know, but thy taste in movies is ever an
enigma to me.

Vivien
ps- this is the second time today someone has sniffed over my
apparent lack of regard for them. Is this a new virus? Should I
innoculate myself against my own sniff-inducing disdain?


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Space battles all over the world

- --- Capuchin <capuchin@speakeasy.org> wrote:
> What?  The Phantom was shit.
> 
> Now, The Shadow... there's a story...
> 
> *sniff*  I thought you KNEW me...


Yes, Cappy, thou I know, but thy taste in movies is ever an
enigma to me.

Vivien
ps- this is the second time today someone has sniffed over my
apparent lack of regard for them. Is this a new virus? Should I
innoculate myself against my own sniff-inducing disdain?


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:47:43 PDT
From: "The Kielbasa Kid" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: the "city of angels" all over the world

so, two questions about this l.a. "gig" slated for tuesday next:

1.  should we oughta get together before the show, fill some balloons full 
of egg nog, and lob them off of freeway overpasses (or maybe just hob-nob 
with ex-middleweight contenders at the "ihop")?  confirmed attendees include 
randi, myself, marc holden.  presumably peter l. palmer, griffith "free 
cheese" davies, and "kototh" will be in attendance as well.  eb, of course, 
is a wild card in everyone's book.

2.  somebody who knows about these things wanna weigh in on the probability 
of largo hijinks following the gig "proper"?





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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:20:05 -0400
From: candl2@sensible-net.com
Subject: Re: Lathe of Heaven--Dede's perspective (as if you all care!)

At 11:18 AM -0700 on 6/12/00, Dede Davis wrote:


> Say, *did* anybody tape it?  I'm SEVERELY tempted to spend the $80
> donation to WNET it takes to get it from them--altho I already lost $60
> a couple years ago trying to order this video from some (it turned out)
> bogus Internet video company.


If you can hold out 3 months, Lathe is _supposed_ to be put into general
release by September. You'll probably end up saving at least 50 bucks if
you wait.

Chas,
   who already sent his $80 to WNET nonetheless.  :-)

>
> =====
> Dede
>
> "...I am living in a nightmare, from which time to time I wake in
>sleep."--Ursula LeGuin, _The Lathe of Heaven_

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:28:32 PDT
From: "The Kielbasa Kid" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: [none]

<URL:http://www.btinternet.com/~sheila/once.htm>.





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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>
Subject: A Plea

I petition ye, oh Tab Gods! Gnat and I are wanting to do Dark
Green Energy for this upcoming PDX Hitchcock tribute, but we
cannot find a detailed tab for the song. Can anyone help us out?


Vivien

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