From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #151 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, June 10 2000 Volume 09 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: eb all over the world [Capuchin ] Re: eb all over the world [overbury@cn.ca] Random comments, because-- ["Allen B. Ruch" ] New David "Wedding Present/Cinerama" Gedge stuff: ["FS Thomas" ] Hey! Those Dinos are Fake! [BLATZMAN@aol.com] oh, you wanna talk movies? [dmw ] Me, Myself, Viv & Irene [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Me, Myself, Viv & Irene [Chris Franz ] Tourist WHAT??? [BLATZMAN@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: eb all over the world On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, The Kielbasa Kid wrote: > is tenacious d really worth 20 bucks, by the way? This is something I was killing myself over for days. Is the D worth twenty bucks. I say yes. Then I say "Oh shit" because Tenacious D is the same night as the Robyn tribute at the Rabbit Hole. Shit. Tell you what, eddie. Go to the show and tape it. If you don't think it's worth your twenty, I'll reimburse you totally. You just have to send me a copy. In fact, now I'm thinking I might just come up for Tenacious D. What's the date on that? If they're consecutive days, you want to come down for the Robyn tribute, take me back up for the D and I'll amrail home? Let me know, anyway. > computer animation, in my opinion, has a very, very long way to go to catch > up with models and blue screen. just watch some lucas crap side by side > with Hudsucker Proxy, or Baron Munchausen, or Roger Rabbit (or, of course, > 2001) -- no fucking comparison! This is absolutely true, of course. But good opticals are MUCH more expensive than good CGI (though the quality just doesn't compare). You know I never really thought about it in those terms. But it's completely true: Hudsucker Proxy and Baron Munchausen have perfect and seemless visual effects. Just stellar and without glitch. Damn. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:08:55 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: eb all over the world > two that i'm quite surprised have not been brought up -- if for no other > reason than their timeliness -- are Battlefield Earth and Lathe Of Heaven. > anybody seen the former? i've been tempted despite the shit-awful reviews, > simply because the book was so entertaining (as acknowledged in every review > i read, though it didn't appear that anybody reviewing the movie *had* read > the book -- they'd all *heard* it was great, though). I read a Hubbard book a few years back; I think it was B.E. I decided he was stuck in the '50s (or the ghost writer they got to fill in for Ron's corpse was copying the style of the Ron in the '50s). All hardware and no characters. Give me Ursula K. LeGuin anytime. Hardware's OK if it's somebody like Niven. > as for the latter, i must say that i thought the movie totally sucked ass, > and that the moyers interview with leguin was largely quite pathetic. sorry > dede and rosso, but i was majorly disappointed! I'd like to hear more about why it didn't click. My own impressions of this movie are from its first airing. Maybe I've set up a shrine that's more attractive than the relic. And now that I've had something to say other than this, I feel I can say it again: "Star Wars" was profitable kiddie fare, and "Dune" got dumbed down as a result. Those movies made me angry. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:11:31 -0400 From: "Allen B. Ruch" Subject: Random comments, because-- - --After weeks and weeks of silence, I have to post, post, post!!!! I can't let Drew outpost me . . . must . . . keep . . . posting. . . . >>What other movies have lucious visuals, but if you take that >>away,you find yourself in negative space? > >"The Pillow Book," and just about anything else by Peter Greenaway... Yes, but isn't that 90% of the point of Greenaway's movies? I mean, who looks for a plot in Kandinsky's The Four Seasons? You have to approach a Greenaway film with a different attitude than most other movies, I think. I agree with Chris on "Jaws," but not with "Fear and Loathing," which I thought was even better in some ways than the book. man, it really really captured the way they were feeling, and the MENACE his Samoan lawyer projected.... I also 100% agree with Chris, who GOT to the DUNE comment before me! What was that quail-hook baited with? Squid? I think NOT, Mr. Gross! How dare you defend Dune before me? I even own the DUNE GAME!!!!!! (Reverend Mother Eddie, help me out here....tell them I'm a bigger Dune fan than Chris!) Drew says of Leo: >With his mouth closed he's definitely the hottest lesbian I've ever seen. I just wanted to say I thought that was the funniest thing I've heard in a while. >I've stayed far away from most film versions >of Hamlet, especially Branagh's. I don't know why middle-aged men >all insist on playing Hamlet. It looks so silly. Branagh's is glorious. And Hamlet in the play is in his early thirties -- I think Gibson and Branagh were well within their artistic rights. I promise this is my last post, - --Q - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:57:36 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: New David "Wedding Present/Cinerama" Gedge stuff: Two things: 1. Anyone who might be a Weddoes or Cinerama fan might like to know (in abstract) that Scopitones will release the next Cinerama single, entitled "Wow," on 12 June 2000. The following is the (remainder of the) email I got from their mailing list: 2. Any Britfegs who might be able to tape (or, preferrably, MD) the Piel show on Wednesday, 14 June would be outstanding and it may very well earn them a CD-R to be named later (Tony?).... Anyways...on with the news: "The Gedge (as he will henceforth be known) strides back into our lives with a spaghetti-western grunge weepy" was how The Melody Maker recently announced that their readers' lives were soon to be enhanced by the forthcoming Cinerama CD single. However, although it might be a brand new recording, this release has come about as the result of an old friendship. In March, Cinerama flew to the United States to start work on a new LP with legendary record producer Steve Albini. The Shellac frontman last worked with David in 1991, when The Wedding Present recorded their critically acclaimed Seamonsters album in the wilds of Minnesota. This time, however, the chosen location was Albini's own custom built studio in Chicago where Cinerama put fifteen backing tracks down onto tape. Now back home, David is working on orchestrations and is hoping to mix the album over the summer, in time for a September release. A couple of songs, however, namely "Wow" and "Gigolo," were actually completely finished while the band were still out in America and these will be included on the new CD along with 10 Denier, something of a live favourite. Although "Wow" is the follow up to "Manhattan," it's actually quite different. This time round, the orchestral brass and Chic disco guitars have been replaced, almost inevitably, by a darker, heavier sound, but Albini has still left space in the track for a haunting flute and dreamy Morricone backing vocals that set the scene while David tells another memorable tale of illicit love. More about our travels from David later, but first, some other news: To celebrate the release, the biggest ever incarnation of Cinerama will be playing live as part of Radio 1's John Peel Show on Wednesday 14 June. Strings, orchestral brass and flute will enhance a 30-minute set consisting mainly of new material as the band perform at the BBC's famous Maida Vale Studios in London. "Harpsichord 2000," the compilation album from S.H.A.D.O. Records, the Italian exotica label, recently received a good review in the NME where it was described as a "stunningly kitsch-free exemplar of other dimension pop." Blimey. The CD and double ten inch compiles bands that use harpsichords and includes Make Up and Stereo Total, as well as Cinerama, whose track is a remix of "Ears" by Valvola. More information from S.H.A.D.O. Records, Via Potente 9, 50019, Sesto Fiorentino, Firenze, Italy or www.shadorecords.com The First Time Records of Michigan in the USA are set to release an American version of our last single "Manhattan" which will also include the two tracks from the preceding "Pacific" 7" single. This 5-track CD should be out in July, but you can get more information from: TFT Records, P.O. Box 8052, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48107-8052, or www.tftrecords.com Those of you with access to the internet can read an interview that David recently did with Fallout Magazine Online. The address is: http://www.fallout-magazine.com/music/interviews/gedge.nclk And if reading about him on the web isn't enough, and you live in London, you can actually go and hear him playing records on June 11th when he DJs at "They Do Play Records, Don't They?" a weekly club held every Sunday at The Embassy Bar, 119 Essex Road, Islington, (020 7359 7882). Doors are at 7 PM and David will be hitting the, err, decks at 9PM. But it's only a small place, apparently, so you might be better off getting there early. Admission is free. And that's about it from me. Before I hand you over to Mr. Gedge's Chicago diary, I should mention that Cooking Vinyl Records are planning to compile the first four Cinerama singles and that Valvola Remix of Ears on a new CD called "This Is Cinerama" which will be released in the winter. For more news of this and any other groovy Cinerama happenings make sure you receive a copy of the next newsletter by joining the Cinerama Super 45 Club. See our "Information and Merchandise" leaflet for more details about this and how to obtain your free stainless steel Cinerama key ring. Unless you're already a member, of course! Sally David's Diary: March 2000 So here I am. sat in a jet at Chicago's O'Hare Airport, waiting for President Clinton's Air Force One to get out of the way so that we can take off. It's a nail biting moment because I'm wondering whether the American Airlines security devices have wiped clean the Cinerama master tapes stowed in the hold. OK, that's a lie. it's really a nail biting moment because I'm hoping that one of the nubile teenagers in a party of lively college girls making the crossing to England will claim the seat next to me. But the tapes are definitely floating around in my consciousness somewhere. Well, we have crossed half a dozen time zones to record them at the Chicago studio belonging to Steve Albini and it would be a bit of a shame if all that was left was some tape hiss. Followers of my other band, The Wedding Present, may remember that I last crossed swords with Mr Albini in 1991 when he recorded our Seamonsters LP. Since then he has, in his own words "mellowed," and certainly the rest of Cinerama were a bit baffled by the fact that the reputation didn't really match up to the real thing. But then I noted that ten years ago, too. He's a Hob-Nob loving pussycat who happens to be a brilliant recording engineer, and I'm not just saying that because he made us some real American pancakes. Maybe the fact I told him that John Peel had once described him as "bestriding the earth as a colossus" had endeared him to our gang. A bunch of young children who were visiting the studio may have gone away with a different impression, however, after he'd shown them a cupboard where the "remains of the last lot of kids to be shown round are kept." I certainly hope he did enjoy our company because we may be returning to mix our album there in July, once I've added singing and what I pretentiously refer to these days as orchestration to the recording. We'll hopefully experience some more of Chicago then, too. not that we didn't try this time. We visited the Museum of Science and Industry, after Albini had recommended an exhibit of sliced humans (real cross sectioned corpses that display views of the inner workings of the body) but couldn't be bothered joining an incredibly long queue which had been swollen by the added attraction of a "Titanic" exhibition. So we tried the Museum of Contemporary Art instead because, well, Chicago is apparently the birthplace of modern architecture. but most of it was closed to make way for new exhibits, leaving only a few drawings of buildings and a group of ten year olds sticking small pieces of coloured paper together. In fact the only really touristy thing we ended up doing was visiting the Tribune Tower, an imposing building overlooking the imaginatively named Chicago River whose waters, incidentally, had just been dyed a vivid green to commemorate St. Patrick's Day. Enhancing this surreal view, we were surprised to discover, are artefacts from around the world that have been embedded into the walls of the tower. This doesn't sound particularly astonishing, I know, but when I tell you that I'm referring to sizeable chunks of our own Houses of Parliament, The Arc de Triomphe, the Taj Mahal and just about every historic building you can name, you might be starting to think, as did our guitarist Simon Cleave, that the whole thing's a spoof. Not so, says the guidebook. The pieces, it reports, were collected by the newspaper's foreign correspondents on behalf of its publisher, although his reasons for wishing to plunder world history with a hammer and chisel remain unrecorded. I didn't suggest that he was compensating for his country's dearth of history by robbing everyone else's because, well, I might have to go back there in July. If you do not wish to receive any more news about Cinerama, please reply to this email with the subject "remove" and we'll take you off our mailing list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:27:42 -0400 From: "twofangs..aka..randi " Subject: a myriad of subjects Geez, I finally get a chance to write mail and find out ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dear Eb saw Elliott Smith in L.A. - sounds like you liked Mr. Smith ;) I saw ES in Portland f.y.i., and the best part was doing the horrifying groupie thing I swore *I* would never do. {except for the one time I told Robyn septicemia doesn't always win - but we all know that story by now} Since Elliott played three acoustic songs at the end of the show - I suddenly felt this rush of *like* for him and his music. I had gone to the concert with dear sweet Carole who loves Elliott enough that many *man & woman* hours were spent making her an Elliott Live Cd from mp3s I compiled from Napster. Anyhow, Carole & I were waiting outside the club for her boyfriend, and suddenly, there was Elliott. Now, before the second encore, when most people moved *away* from the stage, I went and stood right under ES's mic, close enough that I could pull on the leg of his pants. Oh - those of you that know me will be shocked to hear what I did. I tugged at the pants!!!!!!!!!! I tugged at someone's pants ... !!!!!!!!!!! ... while flashing my happiest smile & said: "can you pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease play "*Rose Parade.*" I don't really know what kind of expression I had on my face, maybe I had lipstick on my nose or something, but he just smiled and played the song. Then right before the line: "when they clean the street I'll be the only shit that's left behind" I started jumping up and down and laughing and clapping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... so did Mr. Dour Smith ... what I mean is ... he smiled again ... So crazy me goes up to him after the show and says: "Thanks for playing Rose Parade, I know it must feel really tacky around this time of year." He gave his unprintable opinion to me, then I told him I'd *come here all the way from Toronto. * Yeah, it's sorta true, _but_ not to see Elliott, to see fegs and fortunately Robyn. So I lied! (I pride myself on not lying) Was it worth it to have an autographed copy of his first album that says: To dear Randi ... love Elliott Smith? Je ne sais pas. (okay - maybe yes, sshhhh) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Thank you Eddie, Tom and Cynthia for helping me out with the Robyn tickets, mucho thanks when I see you all ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh - this movie thread ... Two things ... ... n u m b e r ... o n e ... F.y.i., my fave actors include, John Malkovich, Gary Oldman, Emma Thompson, and Susan Sarandon; they are all amongst my top 10. I have also read endless amounts of articles on how "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (1992) was "made" and the "methods" used by Francis Ford Coppola for this film as I am fascinated with the whole process. Gary Oldman *was* a sexy Dracula. Those spectacles GO wore when he lured Mina (Winona) into that murky and smoky theatre made him simply delicious. Oh - and when GO & WR sipped absinthe together ... yum yum. Visually - stunning work by FFC & crew. GO as Dracula was inspired casting imho. Sadie Frost played a divine Lucy. And as someone (jason t ?) said before, Tom Waits was a perfect Renfield. The only parts of the film I find unwatchable are those in which that Reeves kid (I went to drama school with him - can you believe it ) are in. I even have a framed movie poster of "Dracula" over my bed at home. The other sexiest Dracula ever - imho - which may be biased for I saw the play in a wonderful old theatre in T.O., *was* Frank Langella as Count Dracula and I'm sure Canadian actor Kate Nelligan as Lucy helped spice up the heady mix. But that play veered quite for away from the book. Sorry for the length of that part of my post, but I am **addicted to vampires** as all of my feggy friends know. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... n u m b e r ... t w o ... Moving on to John Malkovich ... I saw him perform "Burn This," it's a Lanford Wilson play, LH won a Pulitzer Prize oh, oh, he wrote "The Hot L Baltimore." Now you know who LH is. When JM was in "Burn This" in NYC, I saw it twice, and *never* have I felt such charisma flowing from another human being except perhaps Emma Thompson. So "Being John Malkovich" was a joy to me, and there was a German documentary made about JM, the "BJM" film, and guess what else - JM's new version of Dracula ... with a whole new theme and take on the subject ... I suspect (mho) that this new and exciting perspective correlates directly with the film "Being John Malkovich." Perhaps that is also why JM directs this new film of his. Oh no - Keanu Reeves was in Les Liasons too! Ya see, I also have a poster from Les Dangereux Liasons in my room. grrr argh . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . In talking about Shakespeare - deep breath - here I go ... I took a 13 week Shakespeare course, 5 days a week, 9 to 5, one play a week. The best movie ever: either Kenneth Branagh's 1989 version of Henry V, if you like tragedy .... Or the 1993 version of "Much Ado About Nothing" than Ken directed, if you like comedy, the scenery of Tuscany in full bloom, and more Ken & Emma. That stupid Reeves kid is also in this movie. Oh man, two of my fave movies have KR in them ... that is too sick yet too funny for words ... So I leave you now ... and fade back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *I feel the fear and I know I'm alive* ~ neil finn *acting steady always ready to defend your fears* ~ aimee mann *what I believe ain't always what I feel* ~ michael penn ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:38:24 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Hey! Those Dinos are Fake! In a message dated 6/10/2000 12:24:12 AM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << yeah, i guess that i just don't "get" dinosaurs. but allow me to make the same basic criticism of Dinosaur (admittedly, based only on having seen some footage on siskel & ebert) as of Jurassic Park: it doesn't even succeed on its own (sorry-assed) terms. the visuals are not "seamless" in the least. they're TOTALLY fake-looking dinoFUCKINGsaurs >> You are kidding, right? You have to take baby steps in terms of technology. Take early special effects. People thought they were real, and by our standards they are laughable. Even the Famous "War of the Worlds" broadcast, although not visual, wouldn't work on todays audience in its originally broadcast state. Films are not real, they are entertainment, and Dinosaur once again advances the art of motion picture making. It is the best example of it's type out there. I'm sure some of that technology is already being applied to such future blockbusters as The Lord of the Rings and AI. Pioneers like James Kamron make it possible for future film makers to more fully realize their artisitic vision. Go back and look at the morphs in Terminator 2. Ha Ha! What shit! But man, the first time I saw those, I was thrilled! And you can thank Kamron for his work on the Abyss for that technology. And Kamron was the first to experiment with "digital water", and thanks to Titanic, we will have Perfect Storm (but the boat going up the wave just doesn't look real enough!) Come on, do the planets blowing up in the original Star Wars films really look like planets blowing up? (Lukas went back and improved them with today's technology, and the films look a lot better!) I LOVED Dinosaur. It is going to be nominated for an Oscar next year cause it is so amazing. And I'm predicting a win Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: oh, you wanna talk movies? i can't understand the excitement about more tolkein movies, peter jackson (and i've seen _meet the feebles_...oof!) or no peter jackson. i think the books are overrated, actually, love them though i did when i was 17, but inherently unfilmable. there's too much there that relies on your own visual imagination; no one else's frodo or minas tirith is going to look exactly like *your* frodo or minas tirith. making it concrete is going to deaden it and take all the magic away. phooey. also many of the creatures encountered will lend themselves too easily to cheesy special-effectsing. the whole point of a barrow wight is that you never do get a good look at it, and the spiders should be neither stop motion animation nor enlarged photography. vampire movies (sorta) to challenge gnat's anti-vamp bias: chronos, vampire's kiss, the addiction (that last falls apart a bit at the end, but up til then it's unsettling and very odd). i hated coppola's drac; i can't even agree that it was pretty to look at. i only saw it once, mind you, and more or less tried to supress the experience. what i remember bugging me, other than kr's dreadful acting, and not the mere fact of lovestory, actually, but that the lovestory was dumb and dreadful, was the inconsistency of visual tone -- i thought the cinematographic bag-o-tricks was distracting, especially the spielbergian action scene on a storm-tossed boat, and oldman's stupid mutating shadow (not to mention shifting age). my favorite adaptation of recent years was jane austen's _persuasion_. a brilliant realization of a subtle, delicate book, difficult to film, because, like most of austen's work, much of it is internal, and little "happens" in the conventional action sense. it's also one of the more convincing period pieces -- plenty of mud, for a change -- with a lovely color sense. households are contrasted, for example, but the tones the dominate each, but not in a showy, obvious way. some other adaptations i like. aburdist plays! stoppard directing his own _rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead_; ayckbourne's _no smoking_ (this film introduced me to ayckbourne, who quickly became one of my favorite playwrights...delightfully intricate, playful, barbed, wicked stuff), gene wilder in ionesco's _rhinoceros_. the bard: i expected to hate luhrman's modern-day take on R&J, and wound up being unexpectedly delighted. but it's not the sort of thing that stands on its own; i think you need to be pretty familiar with the play to appreciate how staging and language are played upon ("is that a dagger i see before me, or are you just glad to see me?") and the better you know shakespeare, the more other jokes there seem to be to get. but the single idea of newscaster as greek chorus was near brilliant. ...been reading through tom's spam-related link, and a lot of things look fishy. for example: the alleged marketing letter makes reference to $400,000 gross profit for 1999 and two month revenue of $200000 for the first two months of 2000 (i.e., projected revenue of ~2.5M$ for 2000). what's fishy? first "gross profit" is not a common metric; net profit is a common metric, but not one you usually share with your customers -- you never want your customers to think that you're more profitable than they are, trust me. also, march numbers aren't in...i think it's quite unusual for a company to close it's prior-year books before the end of the first quarter. second 2.5 M$ revenue isn't much of anything to crow about, especially for a five year old business. performtech did almost $7M revenue in our third year if memory serves. i don't know how big the company is staff-wise, what kind of operating expenses it has (rent, equipment, connectivity,etc.), but if you throw some pooma numbers into a spreadsheet over the course of a year, 2.5M$ doesn't go all that far with any kind of respectable target profit percentage. (400K$ on 2.5M$ is 16% which is respectable, but doesn't suggest that the organization is growing very fast over it's five year lifetime). ...basically, this suggests to me that either the marketing letter is forged, or that it was stolen from people who don't really know that much about how to run a small business (it's a *bad* marketing letter...it has typos, too)... ...some of the tech stuff looked a bit fishy too, but i'll keep mum about that... - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw!@!radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:49:33 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Me, Myself, Viv & Irene When in San Francisco, YOU MUST have a sourdough boat filled with delicious, mouth watering clam chowder. Oh how I miss that! Skip the Sushi-Don't miss the chowder! Great American Music Hall is so wonderful. I suggest a bottle of their finest white wine, brought to your table. I think white goes better with Robyn. BUT.... << We're going to rent a car and drive. Cost is about the same and we get to see more and make more stops. >> This seems like an aweful lot of driving. I suggest renting bikes. That is really the environmentally sound way to travel. The car will only allow you to make MORE stops. Sure it fits in to your vacation plans better, but it means more gas, more pollution..... Waiting for those cool energizers from Star Trek so that we can all travel in style, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:39:37 -0700 From: Chris Franz Subject: Re: Me, Myself, Viv & Irene Dave blatzed: >When in San Francisco, YOU MUST have a sourdough boat filled with delicious, >mouth watering clam chowder. ack... tourist food! We never eat that stuff here! Who on earth actually COOKS their seafood?!? > Oh how I miss that! Skip the Sushi-Don't miss >the chowder! Great American Music Hall is so wonderful. I suggest a bottle >of their finest white wine, brought to your table. I think white goes better >with Robyn. Well, seafood goes with Robyn, so maybe you're right about that one... >BUT.... ><< We're going to rent a car and drive. Cost > is about the same and we get to see more and make more stops. >> > >This seems like an aweful lot of driving. I suggest renting bikes. That is >really the environmentally sound way to travel. The car will only allow you >to make MORE stops. Sure it fits in to your vacation plans better, but it >means more gas, more pollution..... Ah, but whizzing through the woods in your car... there's nothing like it. Sure, on that long a drive you have to stop for coffee frequently, but the scenery you see as you zip through the woods, chucking the empty styrofoam coffee cup out the window of your SUV... ah, nature. - - one of Fegmaniax's Chrises ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:41:36 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Tourist WHAT??? WHAT? Sourdough Boats are tourist food? Ha! I spent over 23 years of my life in the Bay Area and I SAY IT'S DELICIOUS!!!! It's what I miss most about the bay area... Ahh, fresh sourdough and cheese... I could live on it (oh please... somebody ring the...) You San Franciscans! Dave ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #151 *******************************