From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #150 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, June 10 2000 Volume 09 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Enders Arse ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Naked Lunch [Michael Wolfe ] A Star for Bram (Stoker) [Natalie Jacobs ] Come unto these yellow sands [Natalie Jacobs ] Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) [Capuchin ] Re: cats and bugs [candl2@sensible-net.com] Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) [Christopher Gross ] Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) [Capuchin ] Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) [Tom Clark ] Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) [Capuchin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #148 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: A Star for Bram (Stoker) ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] eb all over the world ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Enders Arse - --- Jeff Dwarf wrote: > "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > >> Now that I know that a film isn't the same as a joke, I think Halle > >> Joel Osment would be a fine Ender(impossible though. He'll be too > >> old by the time they get it together, if ever). Why would anyone > >> think he'd be bad? > > He's far from the worst child actor I've ever seen. He just seems a > > bit dour, and I tend to prefer seeing unknowns in roles like that. > > well, you'd be dour too if you saw dead people after having barely > escaped working on jeff foxworthy shitcom.... Good call. Actually the more I think about it the more I think the BLATZMAN is right on this particular point. Ender always was kind of a dour little cuss. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:12:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: Naked Lunch craig brown wrote: >Let's get this straight - Naked Lunch is the worst film ever but >you liked Meet Joe Black? I hope you're taking the piss. No no, it's completely true. His head is just a place where he puts his hat. - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:33:20 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: A Star for Bram (Stoker) > Look, look at my enthusiasm, look at me PRAISE! I cannot stop! Can it > be that bad? Am I a bad person to praise so violently? Oh, Natalie! > Can it be true? You thought it was horrible? I admit that I only saw "Coppola's Dracula" once, when it came out, in '92 or '93. I had just read the novel in a Victorian Lit class and I was living only a short train-ride away from Whitby, where Stoker got the inspiration for the novel. My memories of the movie are hazy yet shuddersome: I remember lurid, ugly colors; terrible acting; every interesting theme in the book treated with ignorance or insensitivity; "a lot of fluid"; and worst of all, the LOVE STORY, that most condescending of Hollywood "improvements" on great novels. Yeah, those dumb old books, they're so boring - what'll make those stupid sheep in the audience pay attention? Aha! A love story! Just like "Titanic" - oh, history isn't interesting enough, we gotta have Kate 'n' Leo mooning at each other too. Feh. Granted, Tom Waits was great as Renfield, but he was only in the movie for about ten minutes, IIRC. Anyway, the whole vampire theme bores me to tears - the only good latter-day vampire movie, as far as I'm concerned, is "Near Dark." Anne Rice can kiss my ass, n. p.s. I really do still love you, Quail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:38:23 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Come unto these yellow sands >>What other movies have lucious visuals, but if you take that away,you find >>yourself in negative space? > >"The Pillow Book," and just about anything else by Peter Greenaway... With the exception of "The Pillow Book" and possibly one or two others, when you take away the visuals from a Greenaway film, you still have a Michael Nyman soundtrack. And in the case of "Prospero's Books," you still have a script by that Shakespeare fella. n. (ambivalent about Greenaway, and posting much more than usual) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) For those of you that care about my travel plans (probably because I lied to you and pretended you were involved): We've decided against going to NYC. Too much money and too hectic for the amount of time we really can spend away from home. We're not flying anywhere. We're going to rent a car and drive. Cost is about the same and we get to see more and make more stops. The plan starts next Saturday and goes something like this: 16th: Pick up the car and try to convince Viv to leave. 17th: Actually leave some time in the morning. Arrive in Ashland at about 2pm. Try to get tickets to a show. Maybe go to a show. Sleep at Sayer's. 18th: See more Ashland. Try to get more show tickets. If no show tickets, we might leave that afternoon for the bay. Sleep either at Sayer's or Mark Glosters... 19th: Either go to Mark's or just hang out in Aptos. Do mostly nothing and relax. If we drive down that day, we might just cut straight over to the coast and see some big trees and make a day of the drive. Sleep at Mark's. 20th: More Aptos fun, I think. Probably go into the city. Sleep at either Mark's or Chris Franz's. (How do you make a z ending word posessive?) 21st: See San Francisco. Really whatever Viv wants. Sushi Wednesday. Hopefully at that place where I failed to meet Chris. Great American Music Hall Gig Sleep at Chris'. 22nd: Long drive home so Viv can work on Friday. 23rd: Greet Chris and Tom in Portland. See some Portland stuff with C&T. Aladdin Gig. Sleep at home. Tom and Chris sleep over. 24th: Some Portland seeing. Drive to Seattle. Dinner w/ Seattle Fegs (yeah?) Crocodile Gig. Shorter drive home. Sleep at home again. Tom and Chris sleep over again. 25th: Tom and Chris to the airport. Return car. Sleep at home. The end. If this concerns you (or you would like it to concern you) and this schedule doesn't jibe with your own world, let me know. We're very flexible and are just tooling around pretty aimlessly. I have two more weeks vacation this year and we really want to get out to NYC again and see our good friends (that we don't speak to too much, but still consider our very good friends, if that's ok) and do some New York things we didn't do last time. So that's that. Thanks. Je. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:16:46 -0400 From: candl2@sensible-net.com Subject: Re: cats and bugs > > What was it about cats and insects last night? I had a dream it being the lunar month in which the solstice soon falleth, I'd say that it means the bugs are gonna be pretty bad this summer. Know what I mean? Strength In Ignorance, Chas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:26:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Capuchin wrote: > Sleep at either Mark's or Chris Franz's. > (How do you make a z ending word posessive?) You have it right. Words ending in x or z are treating just like words ending in other consonants: "Franz's house," "the hyrax's bed," etc. Same thing with words ending in a double s. Plural words ending in s just get an apostrophe after the final s. Singular words ending in a single s can get either an apostrophe-s or just an apostrophe after the final s: thus "Chris' pedantry" and "Chris's pedantry" are both correct. I prefer the latter. - --Chris "you can see why I care about this" Gross ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:45:52 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made Andrew D. Simchik: >I realize I'm in the tiny minority here, but...well, I've already >explained how I came to enjoy Dune the movie (the 4-hour version, >I stress). Objectively I can see the problems -- oh, Lord, can I >ever -- but I'm fond of it because it introduced me to the book and >because of the GORGEOUS visuals. Oh mama. Except that they didn't bother to color Paul's eyes in the sandworm/water of life scene (which I guess Lynch intended for much earlier in the movie). If you can't get enough Dune, the SciFi Channel has a six hour version coming up in December. http://www.scifi.com/dune - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Christopher Gross wrote: > You have it right. Words ending in x or z are treating just like words > ending in other consonants: "Franz's house," "the hyrax's bed," etc. Same > thing with words ending in a double s. Plural words ending in s just get > an apostrophe after the final s. Singular words ending in a single s can > get either an apostrophe-s or just an apostrophe after the final s: thus > "Chris' pedantry" and "Chris's pedantry" are both correct. I prefer the > latter. My tendency is to the former, but I now see how sensible it is to use the latter and save the final apostrophe for plurals ending in s only. I've also always believed that the apostrophe-s is only pronounced audibly when you are speaking of a non-plural posessive ending in s. en ejemplo: Chris' house Chris's house These two are pronouned the same. Something like "Chrisses house". squirrel's winter home squirrels' winter home These two are also pronounced the same, but one means the home of a single squirrel through winter and the other is the home of a dray through winter. Something like "squirrels winter home". So now that I've actually put it to conscious reasoning, I find that all along I've believed the underlying premise for prefering the latter (from the last sentence of your quoted paragraph), but for some strange reason stood by the former. Geh. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:06:08 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) On 6/9/2000 4:02 PM, Capuchin wrote: >21st: See San Francisco. > Really whatever Viv wants. > Sushi Wednesday. Hopefully at that place where I failed to meet >Chris. > Great American Music Hall Gig > Sleep at Chris'. There's a Magritte exhibit at the SFMOMA. I thought that would be fun for us. Looking forward to sushi! >24th: Some Portland seeing. > Drive to Seattle. > Dinner w/ Seattle Fegs (yeah?) > Crocodile Gig. > Shorter drive home. > Sleep at home again. > Tom and Chris sleep over again. >25th: Tom and Chris to the airport. > Return car. > Sleep at home. You've almost got this right. Chris and I are staying in Seattle. We have flights booked the next day. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Tom Clark wrote: > There's a Magritte exhibit at the SFMOMA. I thought that would be fun > for us. Looking forward to sushi! Hot damn. This will happen. I love Magritte. Sushi spot suggestions welcome. > >24th: Some Portland seeing. > > Drive to Seattle. > > Shorter drive home. > > Sleep at home again. > > Tom and Chris sleep over again. > >25th: Tom and Chris to the airport. > > Return car. > > Sleep at home. > > You've almost got this right. Chris and I are staying in Seattle. We > have flights booked the next day. Ah. I guess I just assumed it was a round-trip affair. That's cool. No problem there. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:35:15 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #148 > > >dibs on the other two! > > > >oh. fuck. and now... a man with three buttocks! James (sorry, but someone had to...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: A Star for Bram (Stoker) - --- Natalie Jacobs wrote: > for the novel. My memories of the movie are hazy yet shuddersome: I > remember lurid, ugly colors; This might depend on whether you think lurid can be good. I remember an excellent, appropriate stew of black, white, red, and gold. > terrible acting; Okay, true. A lot of it was pretty awful. The dialogue could have used some work, too. And I have to agree that Oldman made a less than imposing and sinister presence in any guise but the Ancient Queen or the Warrior Ribbed For Her Pleasure. > every interesting theme in > the > book treated with ignorance or insensitivity; Arguable. (But not by me.) > "a lot of fluid"; Nooooooo problem. > and > worst of > all, the LOVE STORY, Number one flaw in my book. Yes. > Anyway, the whole vampire theme bores me to tears Well, see, there's your real problem right there. :) Unless you're referring to the Louis Complex, which bored Lestat and Anne Rice to tears also, and which, yes, is a mite overcooked in Coppola's film. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made - --- steve wrote: > Andrew D. Simchik: > >I realize I'm in the tiny minority here, but...well, I've already > >explained how I came to enjoy Dune the movie (the 4-hour version, > >I stress). Objectively I can see the problems -- oh, Lord, can I > >ever -- but I'm fond of it because it introduced me to the book and > >because of the GORGEOUS visuals. Oh mama. > > Except that they didn't bother to color Paul's eyes in the > sandworm/water > of life scene (which I guess Lynch intended for much earlier in the > movie). Yeah, what the hell? Gimme a magic marker and the celluloid, I'll do it. > If you can't get enough Dune, the SciFi Channel has a six hour version > coming up in December. Don't remind me. It looks appalling. Drew (yes, I'll watch anyway) ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too) - --- Tom Clark wrote: > There's a Magritte exhibit at the SFMOMA. I thought that would be fun > for us. Looking forward to sushi! I saw that -- it's pretty cool. (Only one DiChirico in the whole place, though, as far as I could see, and WAY too much Rauschenberg.) Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:50:47 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too), except after 'c' In a message dated 6/9/00 5:04:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu writes: << You have it right. Words ending in x or z are treating just like words ending in other consonants: "Franz's house," "the hyrax's bed," etc. Same thing with words ending in a double s. Plural words ending in s just get an apostrophe after the final s. Singular words ending in a single s can get either an apostrophe-s or just an apostrophe after the final s: thus "Chris' pedantry" and "Chris's pedantry" are both correct. I prefer the latter. --Chris "you can see why I care about this" Gross >> What about with your (Chris's) last name, when referring to the whole of your family/your household? Is it: "Say, dear, did I forget to mention we're expected at the Gross' for cocktails this evening?" or "Say, dear, did I forget to mention we're expected at the Gross's for cocktails this evening?" I'll stick my neck out guess that it's the former, but it's something I'm never sure of. Which is also the case with my ending sentences with a preposition. Or writing a sentence that really ought to be a clause within another sentence. I also sometimes write sentences that start with conjuntions, too. Then there's my my problem with redundancy. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:02:53 -0700 From: bibigellert@earthlink.net Subject: In defense of "Angel" and Janet Frame I must defend both "An Angel at My Table" and the novels of Janet Frame. The film is an honest look at a talented woman who was born in a remote part of a remote country, at a time when any one "different" or "strange" was put away for their own good-Janet Frame's story may not be easy to watch in places, but it gives the viewer a glimpse into a time and place that aren't familiar to most of us (30's to 50's New Zealand) although the atitudes displayed are depressingly familiar-intolerance and fear of the "weird". That Frame managed not only to survive her experiences and the tragedy that haunted her life, but to turn them into great literature is astounding. James, her books may not be easy to read, but given time, they do open up to the reader a way of experiencing the world heretofore unexplored-try "Yellow Flowers in the Antipodean Room". Besides which, "An Angel at My Table" has a gorgeous score written by the best composer in New Zealand. Bibi G - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, steve wrote: > Andrew D. Simchik: > >I realize I'm in the tiny minority here, but...well, I've already > >explained how I came to enjoy Dune the movie (the 4-hour version, > >I stress). Objectively I can see the problems -- oh, Lord, can I > >ever -- but I'm fond of it because it introduced me to the book and > >because of the GORGEOUS visuals. Oh mama. > > Except that they didn't bother to color Paul's eyes in the sandworm/water > of life scene (which I guess Lynch intended for much earlier in the > movie). I've heard that the 4-hour version (and prezoomably the 6-hour version as well) was cobbled together by the studio (or some TV network?) with extra footage rejected by Lynch, and that this was done very much against Lynch's will. That's why the Fremen eye coloring is missing in some scenes; only the scenes Lynch kept in the final cut went to the eye-coloring department. The "director's cut" was the original theatrical release, and the extended version is something more like "the cut the director loathes." (I foget where I heard this; might have been in a Dune debate on rec.arts.sf.written.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too), except after 'c' On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > What about with your (Chris's) last name, when referring to the whole of > your family/your household? Is it: "Say, dear, did I forget to mention we're > expected at the Gross' for cocktails this evening?" or "Say, dear, did I > forget to mention we're expected at the Gross's for cocktails this evening?" > I'll stick my neck out guess that it's the former, but it's something I'm > never sure of. Well, in this case Gross is singular, just like grass or glass or ass. So it's really a non-problem, because you have to add an -es to make it plural before you can make it a possessive. Then, once the -es is tacked on, you give it the standard trailing apostrophe that all plurals ending in a single s get. Thus, "The Grosses' house." At least, that's the rule. In practice, since I'm single and childless, the Gross household is my parents' household, and therefore the "Gross family" has, in colloquial spoken English, always been referred to as "that family in the red house with the goofy son." - --Chris's self ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Me and only me (oh, and Viv, too), except after 'c' - --- MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > What about with your (Chris's) last name, when referring to the > whole of > your family/your household? Is it: "Say, dear, did I forget to mention > we're > expected at the Gross' for cocktails this evening?" or "Say, dear, did I > > forget to mention we're expected at the Gross's for cocktails this > evening?" "Say, dear, did I forget to mention we're expected at the Grosses' for cocktails this evening?" !! > Which is also the case with my ending sentences with a > preposition. Perfectly okay, the linguists tell me. > Or writing a sentence that really ought to be a clause > within > another sentence. I also sometimes write sentences that start with > conjuntions, too. Both just fine as stylistic devices but should be used sparingly and never in a formal context. (Personal opinion.) > Then there's my my problem with redundancy. Lots of fun, especially when the redundancy is instigated by by a line break. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:33:33 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Look out, more Dune >>>I realize I'm in the tiny minority here, but...well, I've already >>>explained how I came to enjoy Dune the movie (the 4-hour version, >>>I stress). Objectively I can see the problems -- oh, Lord, can I >>>ever -- but I'm fond of it because it introduced me to the book and >>>because of the GORGEOUS visuals. Oh mama. >> Except that they didn't bother to color Paul's eyes in the sandworm/water >> of life scene (which I guess Lynch intended for much earlier in the >> movie). >I've heard that the 4-hour version (and prezoomably the 6-hour version as >well) was cobbled together by the studio (or some TV network?) with extra >footage rejected by Lynch, and that this was done very much against >Lynch's will. That's why the Fremen eye coloring is missing in some >scenes; only the scenes Lynch kept in the final cut went to the >eye-coloring department. The "director's cut" was the original theatrical >release, and the extended version is something more like "the cut the >director loathes." (I foget where I heard this; might have been in a Dune >debate on rec.arts.sf.written.) Did Lynch ever get a final cut? Despite the below information, I think the US theatrical release length was forced on Lynch by the producers. The TV version has a Smithee credit. Lynch once said he could put together a "definitive" version in one year, but he didn't think it was worth his time. - - Steve From imdb: Alternate Versions for Dune (1984) Theatrical version is 140-minutes long; network TV version, disowned by director David Lynch, is 190 minutes long and features outtakes and additional footage. The TV print credits "Allen Smithee" as director. The theatrical release features a brief introductory narration spoken by the "princess". The TV version has a longer spoken introduction by a narrator, with still paintings and drawings used to bring the viewer up to speed on the story. The TV version (available on Japanese Laserdisc) lacks the blue color in the Fremen's eyes, indicating that the scenes were cut before special f/x were added. A third version of "Dune", seen on KTVU in San Francisco in 1992, is the only one that edits together footage from both the theatrical and TV versions, putting back the violent scenes (such as the "heart sucking sequence") and theatrical versions of some scenes (such as Paul and Jessica running from a thumper). Also, Lynch's name is restored at the end (watch for the "Assistant to Mr. Lynch" credit). Contrary to popular rumors, no 6-hours long director's cut, ever existed. The only "director's cut" of the film was the one shown theatrically; Lynch never had a hand in any other version of Dune. Lynch's original intention was for Dune to have been about 3+ hours long. To that end, about 5 hours was shot. This is also confirmed by author 'Frank Herbert' (qv) wrote in the introduction to the book "Eye". It would be impossible for a 6-hour version to exist and even a 5-hour Dune would mean the inclusion of many scenes never intended for the final version (for reasons of redundancy, etc.). It is only necessary to read any of the final scripts for the film to realize that there was never any intention of making Dune more than 4 hours in length at the very most: the script for anything more just was never there. There are two theatrical versions available in Europe, the only two differences between being the short scene in which the Navigator can be seen "at work" folding space; and a very short clip showing the cheek of Duke Leto torn open. _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:05:43 PDT From: "The Kielbasa Kid" Subject: eb all over the world well, i'd been eagerly anticipating last night's minus 5 "gig". alas, i'm afraid i have no report, as i decided to sod the show due to a lingering sore throat -- which i figured would only be made sorer by "interfacing" with second-hand smoke. god, i can't believe i just typed that. am i getting old, or what? is tenacious d really worth 20 bucks, by the way? <2001_ was, of course, based on a short story, "The Sentinel". Kubrick did a brilliant job of expanding it from simply "mankind reaches the moon and alerts the race that got there first" into an amazing bit of philosophy on film.> those interested in the topic might check out the criterion laserdisc (or, presumably, the dvd, if it's available). this was not one of the "director approved" titles, if i recall (though Lolita and Dr. Strangelove definitely were) -- i don't think they'd started the line up yet when 2001 was released. anyhow, the title includes tons of supplementary material nonetheless, including a cool essay by mr. clarke detailing the genesis of the collaboration. don't recall if it's been discussed here or not, but kubrick only worked from previously published material, which is why he'd wanted clarke to write up a novel first. so in a sense, i suppose it would be accurate to say that the film was an adaptation of the novel. two that i'm quite surprised have not been brought up -- if for no other reason than their timeliness -- are Battlefield Earth and Lathe Of Heaven. anybody seen the former? i've been tempted despite the shit-awful reviews, simply because the book was so entertaining (as acknowledged in every review i read, though it didn't appear that anybody reviewing the movie *had* read the book -- they'd all *heard* it was great, though). as for the latter, i must say that i thought the movie totally sucked ass, and that the moyers interview with leguin was largely quite pathetic. sorry dede and rosso, but i was majorly disappointed! yeah, i guess that i just don't "get" dinosaurs. but allow me to make the same basic criticism of Dinosaur (admittedly, based only on having seen some footage on siskel & ebert) as of Jurassic Park: it doesn't even succeed on its own (sorry-assed) terms. the visuals are not "seamless" in the least. they're TOTALLY fake-looking dinoFUCKINGsaurs, ESPECIALLY when in motion and/or in "interaction" with "live" actors. computer animation, in my opinion, has a very, very long way to go to catch up with models and blue screen. just watch some lucas crap side by side with Hudsucker Proxy, or Baron Munchausen, or Roger Rabbit (or, of course, 2001) -- no fucking comparison! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #150 *******************************