From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #149 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 9 2000 Volume 09 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Enders Arse ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] Re: Keanu the fearless vampire hunter [Christopher Gross ] Re: Enders Arse ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Movies that shouldn't have been made [David Witzany ] Re: The Eternal Breakfast ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Keanu the fearless vampire hunter ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Eaten by her own champion [Glen Uber ] Denn die Todten reiten Schnell [The Great Quail ] Osment & Leo [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Osment & Leo ["J. Brown" ] Re: Osment & Leo ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: gary oldman [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Naked Lunch ["craig brown" ] Re: Enders Arse [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:09:10 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: Enders Arse > Now that I know that a film isn't the same as a joke, I think Halle Joel > Osment would be a fine Ender(impossible though. He'll be too old by the time > they get it together, if ever). Why would anyone think he'd be bad? I dunno, I think he would be absolutely perfect. From what I understand, however, he's up to his ears in work. Not that his ears are all that high off the ground, but you get the idea. I loved BJM. Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Keanu the fearless vampire hunter On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Swordmistress Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Good GOD. I missed this when it was posted earlier. Quail - it was Quail, > right? - are you KIDDING?? That movie was freakin' HORRIBLE. Hoo-boy, talk > about an incoherent, dim-witted mess. Ah, you young people are far too harsh. If nothing else (and I'm not even admitting there was nothing else), Bram Stoker's Dracula was full of great visual imagery, and in my book that's enough to redeem a movie that's lacking in every other respect. Looking at something beautiful is always worthwhile, even if it doesn't make sense. Besides, wasn't Tom Waits in it, typecast as Renfield? And isn't the Quail always right? - --Chris np: VNV Nation, Praise the Fallen (drowns those coworkers right the fuck out) ps: Some more movie adaptations that were better than the book: - -Jaws - -American Psycho - -JFK - -Goodfellas - -Trainspotting - -The Crow - -For Whom the Bell Tolls Some more movie adaptations that were worse than the book: - -Ghost Story - -Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (though still a good movie) - -any Stephen King adaptation made between The Shining (1980) and Misery (1990) - -Manhunter (from Red Dragon by Thomas Harris) - -any Shakespeare adaptation - -Fatherland ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 12:50:14 EDT From: "Asa Land" Subject: Drat, I forgot drac HAIL to the lovely Susan, artful Bayard(sorry, I dont know where Mark is, but if I catch him plaing his celtic stuff around, Ill tell him your looking for him),observant Ross and the ever-wise Quail--Im glad youre all still around. Its nice to know my style is that identifiable( or is it just the #$%^ spelling?) I forgot to comment on Dracula last time around. This latest version was so blissfully visual--I loved looking at it, but it failed because it cast a weeny as Drac (Gary Oldman, a concept I just dont get) and Drac has to be the center of the movie. But the sets, the costumes, Winonas fake boobs flapping about-- all very lovely and ... nowhere. What other movies have lucious visuals, but if you take that away,you find yourself in negative space? Asa, Of the Golden Ass ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Enders Arse - --- BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > Now that I know that a film isn't the same as a joke, I think Halle Joel > > Osment would be a fine Ender(impossible though. He'll be too old by the > time > they get it together, if ever). Why would anyone think he'd be bad? He's far from the worst child actor I've ever seen. He just seems a bit dour, and I tend to prefer seeing unknowns in roles like that. > And Drew writes: "_Diva_ put me to sleep but I don't (entirely) blame > the > film for that. _Being John Malkovich_ didn't put me to sleep; does it > follow > that it's > a good film?" > > Yes, that is exactly the conclusion I draw! Oh, good. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:29:17 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: Movies that shouldn't have been made The Great Quail detailed a multitude of book/movie combos. Nailed the lot, too, for my money. One omission, in the category: >VI. God, did they ever fuck up: "The Name of the Rose," "Johnny Mnemonic." How about "Dune"? Dave. P.S.-- _2001_ was, of course, based on a short story, "The Sentinel". Kubrick did a brilliant job of expanding it from simply "mankind reaches the moon and alerts the race that got there first" into an amazing bit of philosophy on film. P.P.S.--_Johnny Mnemonic_ was also based on a short story. Too bad it ended up as less than the original, rather than more. David Witzany witzany@uiuc.edu ....one of Nature's bounds checkers - ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:29:03 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: 195 Keanus fearlessly hunting vampires At 12:38 PM 6/9/00 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >Some more movie adaptations that were worse than the book: >-any Shakespeare adaptation I don't really agree that this belongs in the category. Shakespeare's plays were not written to be books, they were written to be performed - and in some sense I'd say a performance, either on stage or on film, is somewhat superior to a bland reading of dialogue. Although, admittedly, because of the language it always helps to have read Shakespeare's text before seeing a performance. And, there have been some *really* crappy film versions of Shakespeare's works. But, following a script, either Shakespeare's closely or a film-makers' minor tweaking, really isn't the same as translating the prose of a novel into a film. The entire first step, the most important one in the adaptation process in my opinion, is missing: the creation of the screenplay, the blueprint of the movie, from a much different source. Sure, things are usually altered a bit for the medium, but directors tend to follow Shakespeare's text fairly closely, especially in terms of dialogue - even more closely than some directors follow original screenplays composed today. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:31:08 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Drat, I forgot Keanu At 12:50 PM 6/9/00 -0400, Asa Land wrote: >What other movies have lucious visuals, but if you take that away,you find >yourself in negative space? "The Pillow Book," and just about anything else by Peter Greenaway... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: The Eternal Breakfast - --- The Great Quail wrote: > Drew: Disliking Moorcock will not earn you a kill-file; only > Bladerunner. Oh, yes, and any more confessions involving Hugh Grant. I'm not allowed to dislike Hugh Grant? I guess I find him tolerable...just tiresome. For those of you listening at home, Hugh Grant played the English equivalent of four-year-queer to the slightly creepy title character of _Maurice_'s jilted closet case. > What's wrong with that Leo lad? The list is quite long. Luscious though I must admit he still is. > He was so lovely in Titanic . . . > *such* a dreamboat. . . . With his mouth closed he's definitely the hottest lesbian I've ever seen. Hey! Leo DiCaprio as Brandon/Teena in _Boys Don't Cry_! Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Keanu the fearless vampire hunter - --- Christopher Gross wrote: > ps: Some more movie adaptations that were better than the book: > > -American Psycho Was it? I still haven't seen it yet. Granted, with this book "better" is an odd term. On the one hand, the book is so graphic as to be almost unreadable. On the other hand, it's hard to imagine a balanced version without all that (could there be enough left?). > -The Crow Oh, hell yes. The "book" is unbelievably awful. Though it does quote good music. What I find appalling is the number of quasi-sequels appearing in comics, books, and films. Um...there's only really one story here, folks. You can't just keep telling it over and over...can you? > Some more movie adaptations that were worse than the book: > > -Manhunter (from Red Dragon by Thomas Harris) Yup. > -any Shakespeare adaptation This one is a little difficult to agree with. I'm of the firm belief that as powerful as the pages are, plays were meant to be performed. You can say that no filmed Shakespeare adaptation ever filmed (and there are a LOT of them) quite lived up to the promise of the words Shakespeare wrote, but I don't really think that's measurable. I would agree that most of the high-profile Shakespeare films, the Mel Gibson Hamlets and such, were fairly lousy, and that most of the time it's more pleasurable to watch the plays onstage, but that's about as far as I'd go. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:19:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, David Witzany wrote: > The Great Quail detailed a multitude of book/movie combos. Nailed the lot, > too, for my money. One omission, in the category: > > >VI. God, did they ever fuck up: "The Name of the Rose," "Johnny Mnemonic." > > How about "Dune"? Blatant Quailbait! But before the Quail jumps in here, let me just say that I rather like Dune the movie. Kinda like Bram Stoker's Dracula, the visuals were lucious even when they didn't always make sense. I love Sting's crazed Feyd Rautha. Aside from the de-Arabizing of the Fremen, it stayed true to the spirit of the book. And best of all, it was just so delightfully *weird*! > P.P.S.--_Johnny Mnemonic_ was also based on a short story. Too bad it ended > up as less than the original, rather than more. I've often thought that if we didn't have the original story to compare it to, Johnny Mnemonic would be regarded as a decent enough SF adventure flick. It's the thought of how much better it *could* have been that makes us condemn JM. On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > -The Crow > > Oh, hell yes. The "book" is unbelievably awful. Wow, you disliked it a lot more than I did. I just thought it was a mediocre comic (graphic novel, whatever), and seriously overrated among comics fans. The movie, on the other hand, is a very good, as supernatural adventure flicks go. As for American Psycho, the movie was decent, but it would have had to be pretty bad to fail to surpass the book. Jason and Drew, you're both right about Shakespeare adaptations, and upon reflection I realize that (sigh) I was wrong. And BTW I thought Gibson's Hamlet was okay, though far from great. B-, perhaps? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made - --- David Witzany wrote: > The Great Quail detailed a multitude of book/movie combos. Nailed the > lot, > too, for my money. One omission, in the category: > > >VI. God, did they ever fuck up: "The Name of the Rose," "Johnny > Mnemonic." > > How about "Dune"? I realize I'm in the tiny minority here, but...well, I've already explained how I came to enjoy Dune the movie (the 4-hour version, I stress). Objectively I can see the problems -- oh, Lord, can I ever -- but I'm fond of it because it introduced me to the book and because of the GORGEOUS visuals. Oh mama. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: The Eternal Breakfast On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Hey! Leo DiCaprio as Brandon/Teena in _Boys Don't Cry_! sort of, but Hilary Swank as Brandon Teena *really* looks like Matt Damon. i think it's the smile. the adaptation of High Fidelity is interesting because it was, in many ways, slavishly faithful to the book, except for the fact that it was updated (Rob as an ex-punk, etc.) and that the store was successful. i know a few people who feel that those changes ruined the movie for them -- with Rob less of a loser, they thought his misbehavior was implicitly approved of and that, i guess, was unacceptable. (i liked both versions a lot, but it's not like i want the movie screened at my funeral. the cult around that book is a little mysterious to me.) aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Movies that shouldn't have been made - --- Christopher Gross wrote: > I've often thought that if we didn't have the original story to compare > it > to, Johnny Mnemonic would be regarded as a decent enough SF adventure > flick. It's the thought of how much better it *could* have been that > makes us condemn JM. I don't know. The whole dolphin bit was where I just threw up my hands and declared it no deposit, no return. > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > > -The Crow > > > > Oh, hell yes. The "book" is unbelievably awful. > > Wow, you disliked it a lot more than I did. I just thought it was a > mediocre comic (graphic novel, whatever), and seriously overrated among > comics fans. The dialogue goes so far beyond melodramatic it's absurd. Characters change personalities within the space of a sentence. Spelling errors abound. The pacing sucks. On the other hand, there are some knockout scenes, like the flashback to the initial murders, for example. _Vastly_ better than the film; really heart-stopping. O'Barr clearly has talent and even if he weren't writing from deep grief I think there'd be material to admire in the book. But there's just so much wrong with it...getting a good editor would just have been the start of what needed to be done to make it a good comic, not just an artistic catharsis. > The movie, on the other hand, is a very good, as > supernatural adventure flicks go. Agreed. > As for American Psycho, the movie was decent, but it would have had to > be > pretty bad to fail to surpass the book. Here again we run into sentimental issues. _Less than Zero_ and _The Rules of Attraction_ were the first books I ever read that treated bisexuality as a commonplace and unremarkable trait among contemporary humans. Though it was taking place among rich, drugged-out, vapid, amoral, and otherwise reprehensible contemporary humans, it still blew me away. And I think Bret Easton Ellis is a pretty underrated writer -- if his characters don't so nauseate you that you can't stand to read about them (and of course they're _supposed_ to nauseate you quite a lot), he's very very funny, for one thing. _American Psycho_ is probably his most extreme novel -- his best and worst traits are fully explored in it. I was surprised at how good I thought his latest, _Glamorama_, was. Over-the-top, yes, but so entertaining and disturbing. > And BTW I thought > Gibson's > Hamlet was okay, though far from great. B-, perhaps? I haven't the heart to give it more than a C. It was watchable but not memorable. I've stayed far away from most film versions of Hamlet, especially Branagh's. I don't know why middle-aged men all insist on playing Hamlet. It looks so silly. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: The Eternal Breakfast - --- Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > Hey! Leo DiCaprio as Brandon/Teena in _Boys Don't Cry_! > > sort of, but Hilary Swank as Brandon Teena *really* looks like Matt > Damon. i think it's the smile. Mmmmm...Damonlicious... I forget...have we brought up _The Talented Mr. Ripley_? Which in my opinion was better as a movie (though to do that it had to cheat and make Ripley into a neurotic as well as a sociopath). > the adaptation of High Fidelity is interesting because it was, in many > ways, slavishly faithful to the book, except for the fact that it was > updated (Rob as an ex-punk, etc.) and that the store was successful. i > know a few people who feel that those changes ruined the movie for them > -- > with Rob less of a loser, they thought his misbehavior was implicitly > approved of and that, i guess, was unacceptable. I disliked Laura intensely in the movie. She came across as thoroughly insincere. There's a lot to admire, I think, about both book and movie. But they are overrated. > (i liked both versions a lot, but it's not like i want the movie > screened > at my funeral. the cult around that book is a little mysterious to me.) Is there a cult? I thought the book/movie would be some sort of music-geek Odyssey, but that really wasn't the focus. I'm assuming the cultists thought it was. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:59:24 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Eaten by her own champion On 08.06.00 22:52, ultraconformist wrote: > glad to see you back! someone was just looking for you a couple days ago, > can't recall who tho. It was Bayard. - -- Cheers! - -g- "The revolution will not be televised but it will have its own web site." - --Glen Uber, 25 April 2000 (apologies to Gil Scott-Heron) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:56:20 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Denn die Todten reiten Schnell Gnat rants, >Good GOD. I missed this when it was posted earlier. Quail - it was Quail, >right? - are you KIDDING?? That movie was freakin' HORRIBLE. Hoo-boy, talk >about an incoherent, dim-witted mess. Huh? Wow. I don't know, I've seen the movie at least ten times, and I can't praise it highly enough. I don't think it was at all incoherent, and I certainly don't think it was dim-witted! And I'm not just talking about how I liked it because it was fun, like "Titanic" or "Braveheart" or "Jurassic Park" (DINOSAURS, Eddie!!!) or other blockbusters some folk just can't seem to relax and just enjoy. I am dead serious -- it's one of my top ten movies of all time. I don't have the energy or time right now to defend it properly, but I thought it was truly unique and simply visionary -- there were so many layers to the film, and Oldman was phenomenal, as both the old and the young Dracula. (I thought that Keanu was its weakest point, but I can even tolerate him -- I mean, Harker is kind of a putz.) Also, I am something of a Dracula historical nut, from Vlad Tepes to the real life of Stoker, and I think it was brilliant in the way it wove together so many different threads of the myth, whether from the novel, from history, or from other movies. And the *feel* of the film -- the turn-of-the-century film tropes, the simple use of spatially disorienting tricks, the frantic pace alternating with icy slowness... The way it made the castle seem *alive,* with independently moving shadows and weird gravity, and of course the trio of erotic brides. I love the way Dracula *moved* through the film, a reptilian creature in his ancient lair; but as the younger Prince, a Victorian aesthete, with absinthe, glasses, and a touch of the Yellow Decadence. And the best thing of all, the way Coppola brought out London as a modern and vibrant world capital! No fogbound streets and quaint soup-sellers, this London was alive, brimming with technological wonders and filled with mystery and arrogance. And Van Helsing! A madman! Even the way he makes his entrance at the estate, in a visual quote from "The Excorcist." And of course, Tom Waits as Renfield, as my dear Renfeild! . . . A cat! Who, oh who, who could deny him a cat?! And that score, by Wojciech Kilar -- what a score!!!! And -- and!!! Look, look at my enthusiasm, look at me PRAISE! I cannot stop! Can it be that bad? Am I a bad person to praise so violently? Oh, Natalie! Can it be true? You thought it was horrible? - --Vlad "I still love you, too, Gnat, but I'll have to rethink that road trip we were taking to Tirgoviste" Vladster - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Storyteller of New York by Night http://www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN "But we are pledged to set this world free -- our toil must be in silence and our efforts in secret for in this enlightened age, when men believe not even what they see, the doubting of these men would be his greatest strength." --Abraham Van Helsing, "Dracula" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:07:14 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Osment & Leo I am very happy to hear that Osment is going to be in AI. Thanks for the info. Those who aren't so happy, I wonder who you would prefer? The list of great child actors isn't that long. And Enders Game is going to need 10 year olds, isn't it? That is a casting nightmare! Sometimes I wonder if it just isn't backlash. Take DiKaprio, for instance. It seems very unhip to come to his defense, but here I go. He was great in This Boys Life(I think that was the title!), and he was crucial to Gilber Grape. Heck, DiKaprio was nominated for an Academy Award for Grape. He is a great actor, which is why James Kameron hired him and Winslet for his little boat film. He got 2 very talented aktors that he could rely on. But in the end, it looks like DiKaprio needs the help of a strong director to pull out a good performance. Osment is of course another Academy nominated aktor, in another blockbuster. Being successful doesn't cheapen your abilities. Good for the kid. I look forward to seeing more quality worc from these 2 great aktors. cudos to the friendly little dictionary out there that pointed out my stupidity in spelling malkovitch with a c! Kurses! Hugs and cisses to u! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Osment & Leo On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > cudos to the friendly little dictionary out there that pointed out my > stupidity in spelling malkovitch with a c! Kurses! Hugs and cisses to u! Actually it's malkovich no 't'. but then we all no you are a racist ;-) j/k Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Osment & Leo - --- BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > But in > the > end, it looks like DiKaprio needs the help of a strong director to pull > out a > good performance. _Titanic_ might have been better if it hadn't been conceived as a tragic romance dealie. It wouldn't have succeeded, but it would have been better. As it is, we were led to believe that Rose's "tragedy" is the one that counts. I have to admire the skill with which _Titanic_ was created -- it was a money-making vehicle and was perfectly crafted for same -- but I don't think I ever need to watch it again. Lovely though Winslet and DiCaprio are (what a relief that it was Winslet and not some mini-Paltrow, though!). My issue with DiCaprio isn't usually his acting, which I think is usually decent if lacking in subtlety. The problem is that he keeps appearing in period films (_Total Eclipse_, _Titanic_, _The Man in the Iron Mask_) but his accent is so firmly contemporary that he fails to convince me in the slightest. What a perfect Rimbaud he made with his mouth shut! It would be interesting to compare DiCaprio's appeal to young American girls with the appeal that similarly slim, hairless, boyish males have in anime to (theoretically) young (and old) Japanese girls. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:47:11 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: gary oldman >I forgot to comment on Dracula last time around. This latest version >was so blissfully visual--I loved looking at it, but it failed because it >cast a weeny as Drac (Gary Oldman, a concept I just dont get) and Drac has >to be the center of the movie. But the sets, the costumes, Winonas fake >boobs flapping about-- all very lovely and ... nowhere. hey! what's wrong with gary? he's had so many great roles and some where the chances he took didn't quite pay off; but how can you diss an actor who's played such diverse roles as dracula, joe orton, lee harvey oswald, sid vicious, beethovan, rosencrantz, dr. smith, and drexl spivey? and played them well. weeny? maybe you're just not attracted to him? beyond being a visual feast, coppola's _dracula_ infuses passion and real terror into the well worn tale. of course, keanu is wooden as the proverbial stake; but everyone else acts like they've just come from arthur janov's seminar. the story meanders quite a bit; but it looks and feels so right. ken "i am not insane! i am a sane man fighting for his soul!" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:23:39 -0700 From: "craig brown" Subject: Re: Naked Lunch Let's get this straight - Naked Lunch is the worst film ever but you liked Meet Joe Black? I hope you're taking the piss. Peace - Craig - -----Original Message----- From: BLATZMAN@aol.com To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 3:46 PM Subject: Naked Lunch >The worst film I have ever seen- But it just ends. Obviously I wasn't "hip" >enough to get it, but since this film was made at all, it needs to be longer. > I mean, it just ENDS! It is possible that I fell asleep, and just woke up >at the end. But I am through with Cronenberg after that POS > >I am verrrrrrrrry surprised that nobody has mentioned Meet Joe Black, to >which I was all ready to defend it's bloated length as a welcome change to >ordinary Hollywood fare. The scenes just linger. You could probably cut 25 >minutes of the film just by tightening the scenes, but that would have ruined >the mood. I loved the way this was cut. > >Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Enders Arse "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: >> Now that I know that a film isn't the same as a joke, I think Halle >> Joel Osment would be a fine Ender(impossible though. He'll be too >> old by the time they get it together, if ever). Why would anyone >> think he'd be bad? > He's far from the worst child actor I've ever seen. He just seems a > bit dour, and I tend to prefer seeing unknowns in roles like that. well, you'd be dour too if you saw dead people after having barely escaped working on jeff foxworthy shitcom.... ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #149 *******************************