From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #147 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 8 2000 Volume 09 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] ["The Kielbasa Kid" ] not as long as i'd like ["twofangs..aka..randi " ] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions [Eb ] Traveling the West coast [Cynthia Peterson ] Malcovich/bad joke [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Ender ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions [Eb ] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions [Michael Wolfe ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #146 ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions ["Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: [none] it's been my experience that the same general rules apply for dealing with hippies as with bumblebees. viz.: don't hurt them, and they won't hurt you; don't make any sudden "lunging" movements; fumigation is right out; avoid walking around barefoot near known enclaves; et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. well, flo-jo bought it a few years back. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:03:22 -0400 From: "twofangs..aka..randi " Subject: not as long as i'd like Gee, I didn't realize how busy I would end up being on this trip, even on a slow day ... Well, I am here to send out a plea ... Who can get me a Seattle ticket? Who can get me SanFran & Mill Valley tickets? What about the L.A. show - (Eddie - if we are still going) - I need a ticket for that too I believe. Swear I'm good for it ... so worry not ... i have some of *your* green money saved up just for these shows ... Sorry to be so curt, it's really me being terrified that I'll be the only feg who doesn't get to see the shows ... but instead waits *patiently* outside to meet everyone _after_ the gig. aaaahhhh really hoping for some private emails ... rand ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *I feel the fear and I know I'm alive* ~ neil finn *acting steady always ready to defend your fears* ~ aimee mann *what I believe ain't always what I feel* ~ michael penn ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions - --- The Great Quail wrote: > I. I think "Breakfast of Champions" was a noble failure. While it had > tons of flaws, and ultimately was almost unwatchable, it still was > ambitious and took some unusual risks. I have to give it some respect > for that. I did get the impression that this was a labor of love for most if not all concerned, and not a half-hearted one. I just thought it was very misguided, perhaps too in love to do the right thing. So I'd agree, it wasn't for lack of trying. > II. I happen to think Cronenberg is a genius, and "The Naked Lunch" > was in my top three movies of that year. I liked _Naked Lunch_, but then I also liked _Dune_. How? Why? Well: first of all it was the four-hour version of the latter that I saw, which helped, and second of all, I saw both films before I read either book. In both cases I would say the visuals were extraordinary and wonderful, but I don't know how I would have felt if I'd read the books first. Of course I loved both books after seeking them out. > III. Other movie adaptations that I found were just as good or even > better than the book: No fair pulling out Kubrick. You're so right. In the cases of _2001_ and _The Shining_ I would say "even better," with _Clockwork Orange_ I would say "just as good," particularly because the movie is so poetic visually and the book so poetic in prose. > Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula." Thank GOD he jettisoned some of > the stilted atmosphere of the book, and had the courage to graft on > elements of the Dracula myth post-Stoker. I enjoyed the movie in sum, and yes, the book can be mucky. There was a lot to love about the film, most especially the shadowplay and the literally nightmarish mood he captured so well. I really could have done without the "Prince Vlad" bits, though; it was just that grafting that bothered me. I guess it was to some extent necessary; it just turned me off. Made it a good makeout movie, though. > Coppola's "The Godfather." Not as Byzantine as the novel, but then > again, the novel really lacked the sophistication and the sheer > *presence* of the Mafia myth that the movie had. Agreed. Of course. > Scott's "Bladerunner." I love Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric > Sheep;" but Bladerunner was not that novel. At all. And yet Scott > used the novel as a springboard to practically invent cyberpunk, and > redefine the way we look at the future. An amazing film. I get rabid > about this one. If you criticize this movie, I will make a kill-file. > That goes for you, too, LJ. This was one of the examples that was brought up in the discussion I mentioned (another was _Silence of the Lambs_, which you also mentioned). I'd agree that novel and film were quite different, and both terrific in their own ways. I would dispute only your point about the invention of cyberpunk; I think _Blade Runner_ established the cyberpunk milieu and some of the central concerns (how good is the AI before it's human, etc.), but there was still a little more fertilization to be done. > Friedkin's > "The Excorcist," Jordan's "Interview with the Vampire," and Demme's > "Silence of the Lambs." Good calls. With _Interview_ I thought it was much better than expected, but far from perfect. Many of the flaws were Rice's own fault, though. > V. Adaptations which are supposed to be good but I thought were not: > "Fahrenheit 451", "Slaughterhouse Five," "Ulysses." I've only ever seen _Slaughterhouse V_. It was OK (Vonnegut used the word "adequate"?). > "Johnny Mnemonic." That one could have been a slam-dunk. As we all know, it blew. > "Neuromancer," "Ender's Game," _Ender's Game_ feels like a 70s movie to me, with a look that's a cross between _2001_ and _The Omen II_, if that makes any sense. If they made it now it would be all _Lost in Space_ (the movie) slick and would star Jonathan Taylor Thomas or the Osment kid from _Sixth Sense_ and would suck. Forget it. As for _Neuromancer_ -- team up the _Matrix_ boys with someone who can inject the film with a little realism (and the color red) and I think we've got it. > VIII. Can you imagine really *great* animated versions of: [..] > "The Watchmen," "The Sandman," I started to say _Sandman_ wouldn't work, but actually it would, like crazy. The Moments would be different, because Gaiman is brilliant with his panel pacing and of course that doesn't translate, but you could do things with the animated version he couldn't do, like a procession of deities for _Season of Mists_ and some cool Hell-entry sequences, etc. The most filmable arcs would probably be _A Doll's House_ or _Season of Mists_; "24 Hours" from the first arc would almost end up being a feature in itself. A lot of the others wouldn't make sense out of context. I started reading at issue 5 of _Brief Lives_ and I had no clue what the hell was going on for a very long time. _The Watchmen_ would end up pretty silly animated, I think, no matter who did it. We'd have to push into some really out there styles, juxtaposing cartoonish superheroes with some really gritty and disturbing effects that might be too distancing. I think it ought to be live-action. > IX. Special fingers-crossed award: "Lord of the Rings" Likewise. > --Quail, who can't leave a thread like this alone! Looking back at all the rambling on I've done in this response, I hope everyone else feels the same way. :( Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:43:47 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Ender > VII. Please, let these be made into a movie only if they really > really kick ass: [snip] "Ender's Game" I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but this is currently in pre-production. Card has posted a bit of his current screenplay at the studio's website: http://www.frescopictures.com/movies/ender/index.html Unfortunately, it looks like Jake "Anakin" Lloyd is the primary contender for the title role. A director has not yet been named. Apparently they are considering filming "Ender's Game" and "Ender's Shadow" simultaneously and releasing them a summer apart from one another, thus allowing them to use the same sets, same shots, etc. Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org "I never wanted to kill, I am not naturally evil; Such things I do just to make myself more attractive to you. Have I failed?" - Morrissey, _The Last of the Famous International Playboys_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:27:48 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: american television shall crush your ten percent >> ...what does steve young religious beliefs have to do with whether >> or not he should be sitting by al michaels? >None whatsoever. I merely brought up this fact because this could >weigh in as a big factor as to whether or not Young decides to play >football, or pursue a career in broadcasting. Being a devout Morman... Would it be impertinent of me to point out that if ol' Steve decides to give up his $7M/yr. contract with the 49'ers and take a $1M/yr. job with ABC Sports instead, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stands to lose $600,000 per year in tithes? John "I thought so" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:35:15 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: not as long as i'd like On 6/8/2000 4:03 PM, twofangs..aka..randi wrote: >Well, I am here to send out a plea ... > >Who can get me a Seattle ticket? > >Who can get me SanFran & Mill Valley tickets? I have not ordered tix for SF or Seattle yet (still debating Mill Valley). I'd be happy to get yours too. Let me know. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:35:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions >I've only ever seen _Slaughterhouse V_. It was OK (Vonnegut used the >word "adequate"?). No, not exactly. Palm Sunday, page 310 of my paperback edition: "...somewhere in there I looked in on George Roy Hill while he made a motion picture based a novel of mine, Slaughterhouse-Five. There are only two American novelists who should be grateful for the movies which were made from their books. I am one of them. The other one? Margaret Mitchell, of course." OK, I didn't remember the *American* clause.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:36:05 -0700 From: Cynthia Peterson Subject: Traveling the West coast FYI, I've got a Seattle ticket for Randi. Now...here's what I need: transportation from San Francisco to Mill Valley. Any advice or offers from the Bay Area Fegs? Thanks! Sorry for the widespread appeal; it's hard to get onto that private Bay Area Feglist (BARF? -- uh oh, now I've pissed them off. Hope there's a bus to Mill Valley!). So all you Westcoasters will be seeing me at the June 21-24 shows, though you haven't seen me on the list in years. Looking forward to re-meeting you all! Cynthia Peterson (cynthiap@microsoft.com -- it was a buyout, not a choice) - -----Original Message----- From: twofangs..aka..randi [mailto:twofangs@gurlmail.com] Who can get me a Seattle ticket? Who can get me SanFran & Mill Valley tickets? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:42:35 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Malcovich/bad joke Drew writes "if you didn't get the film, you might have thought you got it without actually having gotten it" To which I write: or you can think you actually got it without really having gotten it!!! I can go in to a lengthy reason why 3 Kings was a better film, but I'll keep it short:IT DIDN"T PUT ME TO SLEEP. So Drew, films are not like jokes and it doesn't matter if you get it? I must strongly disagree with this statement. I'm not sure what you mean by this, but if you're saying that it doesn't matter if an audience walks away understanding what a filmmaker was trying to communicate, I can't agree. Good directors, in my opinion, have strong communication skills. They have intentions. If they haven't communicated what they intend to, then they probably don't know what they are doing. I went to see Mission Impossible 2 the other day, of course because of the master, John Woo. It was pleasant to be able to follow everything that was going on. In the first one, not even my sharpest movie-buff friends could explain the mess. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt DePalma said "I'm going to make a spy film that nobody will be able to understand." When you lose an audience where you don't intend to lose an audience, well, to me, that is a sign of a weak director and a bad film. (note, this is not why Malcovich sucks. This is why films are like jokes) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Ender - --- Paul Christian Glenn wrote: [Ender's Game Episode 1] > Unfortunately, it looks like Jake "Anakin" Lloyd is the primary > contender for the title role. FORGET IT! Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 01:49:27 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #146 - -- fegmaniax-digest is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2000 18:25 Uhr -0400 regarding fegmaniax-digest V9 #146: > III. Other movie adaptations that I found were just as good or even > better than the book: Man, why do you have to name exactly the same movies I was going to name? :-) > Kubrik's "2001" -- No director could have better brought off the > alien confusion of Bowman's inexplicable and transcendent voyage. If I'm not entirely mistaken (could be, of course) Arthur C. Clarke wrote the novel *after* the movie. > Kubrik's "A Clockwork Orange." Another "impossible to film" book, and > yet he made it into a brilliant adaptation all his own. he brought a > visual poetry to Burgess' writing, and even though Burgess > complained, I think Stanley's version is just as good. And I *love* > the novel. Same here. I never read "Barry Lyndon", but I'm willing to believe that that movie is also at least as good as Thackeray's novel. > Kubrik's "The Shining." I've read numerous disparaging comments > Stephen King has made about this film, and I just have to laugh. > Kubrik is a genius. King is an above-average writer of horror stores > that lack elegance and the capacity to really disturb. King should > kiss Stanley's dead Anglophile ass for redeeming what is only a > moderately good novel. Precisely. I was so disappointed with the book, which I read after watching the movie. The only King novel I *really* liked was "Christine". Fassbinder's "Effi Briest" is a fine adaptation of Fontane's novel. Then there is of course his epic TV version of Döblin's "Berlin Alexanderplatz"... Tarkovski's "Stalker" is similar to Scott's "Blade Runner" in that you hardly recognize the original. It's based on a sci-fi novel by the Strugatzki brothers. The German title is "Picknick am Wegesrand", which translates to "Picnic by the Side of the Road". The movie left me impressed but puzzled, which is my usual reaction to Tarkovski movies. Reading the novel helped understand what was going on :-) I didn't really like "Solaris", however, but I'm no fan of the novel, either. Another great movie (one of my favorites) is Beneix's "Betty Blue", based on the novel by Philippe Djian. I've seen the movie many times, but unfortunately mostly in shortened versions. I've seen the director's cut only once. Many people thought that version was too long, but I liked it. (Same with Blade Runner, btw) I thought "Passage to India" was lacking in comparison to the original, which was a revelation for me. > VIII. Can you imagine really *great* animated versions of: "Elric of > Melnibone," "The Watchmen," "The Sandman," "Vurt," "The Dream Quest > of the Unknown Kadath," "Gormenghast," and "On Beyond Zebra?" I only know "Watchmen" and "Sandman" of these, but I just don't see the point in animating them. Movies are different enough from novels to be able to add something to them, whereas animation is too close to the original, I think. I don't know a single example of a comic strip that has been animated successfully. The "Tintin" movies are just OK, "Asterix" is dumbed down for the kids etc. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldgürtel 156, 50823 Köln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions - --- Eb wrote: > There are only two American novelists who should be grateful for the > movies > which were made from their books. I am one of them. The other one? > Margaret > Mitchell, of course." > > OK, I didn't remember the *American* clause.... And he didn't say the film was adequate; he said he should be grateful for the film. Did anyone read _Gone With the Wind_ before the film was made? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Traveling the West coast - --- Cynthia Peterson wrote: > FYI, I've got a Seattle ticket for Randi. Now...here's what I need: > transportation from San Francisco to Mill Valley. Looks like I'll be able to provide taxi service, potentially sweeping northward from San Mateo. I can't vouch for my navigational abilities, but it looks easy enough to find. I have 3 comfortable seats total, one of which is already semi-spoken for. Drew P.S. Seats in my car, of course. ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:13:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions >Did anyone read _Gone With the Wind_ before the film was >made? Hell, yes! It was a smash, and the making of the film was breathlessly anticipated. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:48:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions "Kubrick" has a "c" in it, but definitely agreed that 2001 was a fabulous adaptation of a fabulous book. But wasn't that the original question? Good adaptations of good books? That would have to disqualify "The Shining," wouldn't it? "Fahrenheit 451" was terrible without even considering the effects, even from filmic and dramatic standpoints. And the special effects have not aged very well at all. And I happen to love Truffaut, and have a huge framed poster of him in my kitchen. "Ender's Game" is currently in script stage, with Card working on the adaptation himself. I've read bits of it, and it looks pretty promising. He's gonna start it with Mazer Rackham's first encounter with the buggers. There's a page on it at www.corona.bc.ca I'm afraid I can't imagine a great animated version of "Vurt" because I was not terribly impressed with the source material, which struck me as both derivative and well behind the times. Sorry. >Special fingers-crossed award: "Lord of the Rings" Oh yeah. You and me both. But I think we're in the best of hands with Peter Jackson. Several good (or better than good) books that I think have good films based on them: "The Sweet Hereafter" -- Jeme doesn't agree with me on this one, either. Still, I think it's an awesome film, and an awesome book, but the film isn't much of an *adaptation*. That is, the two seem to deal with completely different themes. Which is a fairly common thread among adaptations -- directors are always itching to leave their auteurial imprimatur. "Fight Club" -- Not a "fantastic" or even "great" book, but a "good" one certainly, and the film is both and excellent film and an excellent adaptation, actually improving on the story of the source material while leaving its themes intact. (For the most part, anyway; we're missing "Jack's" fascination/repulsion with death from the novel.) The DVD just came out and it comes mighty close to unseating "Brazil" as DVD numero uno. "High Fidelity" -- Dude, someone just, like, photocopied Nick Hornby's novel, ripped out a couple of pages to streamline it, replaced all instances of "London" with "Chicago," and passed it out to the cast. Not that you'll catch me complaining. I liked "LA Confidential," and am a big fan of noir in general, but haven't gotten around to reading James Ellroy's novel. I'm told it's a good book, but, again, required quite a few ellisions to get it up onto the screen. - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:27:47 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #145 >BTW, we just passed an important anniversary. June 1 was the twentieth >anniversary of the founding of the great Slovenian industrial group >Laibach, makers of such classic albums as Let It Be, Sympathy for the >Devil and Jesus Christ Superstars. not to mention that a couple of weeks ago was the 20th anniversary of the demise of Ian Curtis. Oh,. and I can't believe the overlong movie thread has not yet mentioned "Titanic". Did they have to run through every goddamn flooded corridor in the whole fuzwangling ship fer crissakes? Of course, shortening the thing probably wouldn't have helped any. >> Talking Heads, _More Songs About Buildings and Food_, 1978? >> >> Perhaps Weezer's was a little less arty. > >far less so. no distortions, and against a plain blue background. >aluded to a feelies sleeve actually. dunno which one though. okay, then change MSAB&F to the back cover of 'Little creatures' >> I also think Steve Young would do a good job as the boothjock, > >Hey, he could talk about salamanders 'n stuff, that would be way more >entertaining than Madden - his act got old about twenty years ago. > >>My jock'o'choice would be Matt Millen. I think he does an excellent job on >>the radio broadcasts of MNF with Howard David. I also think that Millen is >>the most knowledgable Mike Jockey working today. > >How about that Ravens guy? man, sometimes you guys are just incomprehensible. Who the hell are these people? No don't bother, I don't want to know. Anyway, Marsh Seifert[1] or the Mad Butcher[2] would probably do the job pretty damn well (if the job is what I think the job is). For pure unadulterated stupid comments, though, you'd need Rugby commentary maven Keith Quinn, he of the famed "It's raining very hard now, and it looks as if the players are getting wet".[ >Mine goes to "An Angel at my Table." I'd sit through the "Horse Whisperer" >three more times in order to escape seeing that lengthy, tedious tripe >again. Bleh! Icky-poo. It's better than Frame's books. :p James aka Ginchy Fairypants (proving he's not a fan of everything Newzild...) [1] connoisseur of fine art, antiques auctioneer, and the most opinionated basketball commentator the southern hemispohere has ever seen [2] ditto for rugby league, except replace fine art and antiques with fresh meat. Erm no, come to think of it, I think he just sells that, rather than collecting it PS - I'm a little concerned that my partner's Glamname would be Poxy Dandysex! Myself and fellow PhD student Hologram Fairypants work with supervisor Pyrite Licoricepill. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Malcovich/bad joke - --- BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > Drew writes "if you didn't get the film, you might have thought you got > it > without actually having gotten it" > > To which I write: or you can think you actually got it without really > having > gotten it!!! Which is, um, what I said. > I can go in to a lengthy reason why 3 Kings was a better film, but I'll > keep > it short:IT DIDN"T PUT ME TO SLEEP. _Diva_ put me to sleep but I don't (entirely) blame the film for that. _Being John Malkovich_ didn't put me to sleep; does it follow that it's a good film? > So Drew, films are not like jokes and it doesn't matter if you get it? That's correct. > I > must strongly disagree with this statement. I'm not sure what you mean > by > this, Shouldn't you make sure you know what I mean before you "strongly" disagree? > but if you're saying that it doesn't matter if an audience walks > away > understanding what a filmmaker was trying to communicate, I can't agree. That's not what I'm saying, so all is happy. What I'm saying is that communicating through a feature-length film is not at all like communicating the punch line of a joke. For example, not all films have a "message" one could express in a single sentence...at least not one that summarizes and includes all or even most of the film. So I don't know what you think you "got" in _Being John Malkovich_, but it's probably not relevant. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #146 - --- Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: [tgq] > > Kubrik's "2001" -- No director could have better brought off the > > alien confusion of Bowman's inexplicable and transcendent voyage. > > If I'm not entirely mistaken (could be, of course) Arthur C. Clarke > wrote > the novel *after* the movie. Didn't he write a short story or novella first and then spin it out into the novel afterward? ...he said while perfectly capable of looking up online...I'm so lazy. > the movie. The only King novel I *really* liked was "Christine". I enjoyed them all until later in high school when I discovered Clive Barker (there's a conversation about adaptations for you). At the time my great-aunt was determined to rip me away from them using "The Turn of the Screw," which I didn't like very much even when I finally got around to reading it as an undergrad. I think the only King novel I'd spend time rereading these days would be _Salem's Lot_. I wouldn't call him a great writer -- a list of his faults would be as long as one of his novellas -- but I always found his stuff entertaining and memorable. The dirty bits helped. > I only know "Watchmen" and "Sandman" of these, but I just don't see the > point in animating them. Movies are different enough from novels to be > able > to add something to them, whereas animation is too close to the > original, I > think. With _Sandman_ you would have an advantage in that so many different artists have worked on it that there's no one look. I think it'd be wild to see Marc Hempel or even Dave McKean tackle the animation, or just tackle animation in general (because I can't see either doing the story arcs I mentioned). Different animators could do the waking world and the Dreaming, and another one could do Hell... Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: The Naked Breakfast of Champions - --- Eb wrote: > >Did anyone read _Gone With the Wind_ before the film was > >made? > > Hell, yes! It was a smash, and the making of the film was breathlessly > anticipated. So maybe Vonnegut didn't mean what I thought he meant. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #147 *******************************