From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #145 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 8 2000 Volume 09 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- cats and bugs and Sandler and stuff [Christopher Gross ] Re: the hierarchy of embarrassing confessions [Tom Clark ] Re: theeze damn kidz nowadaze... [steve ] Hey Kids! [steve ] Re: i often dream of sim-chiks [overbury@cn.ca] Re: theeze damn kidz nowadaze... ["Randy R." ] ISO scans ["Ben" ] Stuff and More.... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: the hierarchy of embarrassing confessions [Jeff Dwarf ] american television shall crush your spirit and lead to eventual dull happiness. or not [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Naked Lunch [Ken Ostrander ] Re: 195 minutes? My God, that's over three hours! ["Richard Zeszotarski" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: cats and bugs and Sandler and stuff On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Vivien Lyon wrote: > What was it about cats and insects last night? I had a dream I don't know, but we can't assume it was a coincidence. When cats are involved, anything is possible. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > I'll tell you something else -- I liked "The Wedding Singer" *far* more > than I would've expected (much better than "Waterboy"). I skipped the other > Sandler films, however. Yeah, I've heard that The Wedding Singer was bearable. I figure it was really made by a space alien in a clever Adam Sandler disguise. > Eb, who hates "The Family Guy," adores Bob Costas and hasn't seen "The Thin > Red Line" yet Someone already trashed TTRL for being too slow, which is true, but it's still worth seeing. If Saving Private Ryan had been made by Wim Wenders instead of Spielberg, with the help of a great nature-documentary maker, you'd have something like The Thin Red Line. BTW, we just passed an important anniversary. June 1 was the twentieth anniversary of the founding of the great Slovenian industrial group Laibach, makers of such classic albums as Let It Be, Sympathy for the Devil and Jesus Christ Superstars. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: suck a polar bear's dick all over the world - --- The Kielbasa Kid wrote: > rant of the day: why the hell won't FOX put Family Guy in a time slot > and > LEAVE it there? FAR the best show on their network, It must have improved a thousandfold since I last saw it in order for that to be more than a MASSIVELY subjective claim. That said, I feel your pain. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: theeze damn kidz nowadaze... - --- Glen Uber wrote: > On 06.06.00 16:58, Mark frosted a few mugs by stating: > > a very good lyricist. What Nirvana did better than any band > > since the Doors is to communicate the profound feeling of > > disaffection of a part of a generation. They were a conduit > I can't disagree at all with this statement. I could never put my finger > on > why Nirvana didn't mean as much to me as it did to others around me. I > think > you nailed it perfectly. They didn't mean much to me because by the time I knew about them they were already big MTV and radio stars thanks to "Smells Like Teen Spirit." I was in high school (as I imagine some if not many of you were also) and to me Nirvana were just another band with loud guitars and not very good tunes. I didn't see them as the voice of my generation any more than Britney Spears, as she is improbably touted, is the voice of hers. By the time In Utero came out I had no real reason to check it out. I still haven't heard anything by Nirvana that really moves me or interests me, though I don't dislike the band as much as I did when they were mainly talked about as having ushered in grunge. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:25:55 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: 195 minutes? My God, that's over three hours! From: Eb > > As for "The Waterboy," ehh, I've seen plenty worse. What kept me in the > film were the inspired performances by Kathy Bates and Henry Winkler Kathy Bates does well in whichever role she is cast, an excellent character actor (actress). Henry Winkler? hmmm, he did play up the buffoon a bit much, but hey, it's an Adam Sandler movie. I was most impressed with the performance of Pittsburgh Steeler coach Bill Cowher, who played a talent scout. I can't believe he still has a job, by the way. To bring this thing full circle; Rush (RL) is a big Steeler fan. > > Eb, who hates "The Family Guy," adores Bob Costas and hasn't seen "The Thin > Red Line" yet The Thin Red Line. I've seen that movie probably 4 or 5 times, and it still manages to intrigue me. On the plus side, there are excellent performances by all the actors, except for John Travolta. What the hell was HE doing there? John Cusack, Woody Haroldson, Nick Nolte, Sean Penn, and that bald guy who was a lawyer and threatened to take Nick Nolte up on charges or something. Extra special credit goes for all the bugs, birds, and plants that somehow survived all of the carnage that the film crew thrust upon them. The soundtrack is indeed excellent. Of course, can't forget George Clooney. While at the video store, the clerk kept insisting that Clooney was on the island, on "location", for over a year, and only got 5 minutes of screen time. errr, yeah, right, whatever. Vince (Steve Young is a terrible broadcaster) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:43:26 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Naked Lunch The worst film I have ever seen- But it just ends. Obviously I wasn't "hip" enough to get it, but since this film was made at all, it needs to be longer. I mean, it just ENDS! It is possible that I fell asleep, and just woke up at the end. But I am through with Cronenberg after that POS I am verrrrrrrrry surprised that nobody has mentioned Meet Joe Black, to which I was all ready to defend it's bloated length as a welcome change to ordinary Hollywood fare. The scenes just linger. You could probably cut 25 minutes of the film just by tightening the scenes, but that would have ruined the mood. I loved the way this was cut. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:55:01 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: 0% RH (Re: 195 minutes? My God, that's over three hours!) On 6/7/2000 3:25 PM, Randy R. wrote: >Steve Young is a terrible broadcaster Can I tell my Steve Young story now? Thanks. My wife and I have season tix to the NHL's San Jose Sharks franchise. Our seats are right across the aisle from the General Manager's luxury suite and their are frequently celebs and sports dudes hanging out there. Well one night Steve Young was attending so naturally we were occasionally checking in on his activities. Not only did he appear stoned the entire evening - staring blankly into space, laughing to himself for no apparent reason - but at one point we caught him slumped over, with elbows on knees and rocking his head up and down to the beat of KC And The Sunshine Band's "Get Down Tonight", and actually singing the words! Nobody in the suite would come near him! Now if that isn't a guy who's taken two many blows to the head... Thanks for listening, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:41:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: 195 minutes? My God, that's over three hours! >> The Thin Red Line clocked in at 170 minutes, and that was >> probably 30 minutes too long. Everything was chugging along >> nicely, and then they had to have that one, final, *mission*. >> Of course, we had to wait for George Clooney to make an >> appearance as well. > >That's kind of funny because I walked out of The Thin Red Line >after the FIRST thirty minutes... deciding it was overlong and >tedious. Ah, screw you guys! I'm with Tom Clark regarding the score, thank you very much, and I thought that the visuals were even more poetic and lyrical. The dvd holds a treasured place in my collection. Vince: (SPOILER) I completely agree that Clooney's appearance was gratuitous and distracting, but the final "mission" is dramatically necessary. Witt dying makes so much thematic sense, and ties too much of the film together to just leave that part out. I know it's just me, Jeme, but I'd rather watch The Thin Red Line again any day than sit through that double bill we hit Monday night. Frequency and Mission: Impossible II. Ugh. The former wasn't too bad, but both Jeme and I came up with more satisfying possible endings, just off the cuff. And M:I2, well, it made good MST3K bait. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:08:58 -0700 From: Eb Subject: the hierarchy of embarrassing confessions Tom: >My wife and I have season tix to the NHL's San Jose Sharks franchise. Having season tickets for *hockey* easily surpasses endorsing an Adam Sandler movie, right? ;) Eb (incidentally, the best film I've seen lately is Mike Leigh's "Naked"...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:44:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: the hierarchy of embarrassing confessions On 6/7/2000 4:08 PM, Eb wrote: >Having season tickets for *hockey* easily surpasses endorsing an Adam >Sandler movie, right? ;) Those 44 nights a year sure beat the shit out of sitting in my room and ranting all over usenet. ;) - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:16:30 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Are we not men? We are frat rockers! lj lindhurst: >Far be it from me to defend frat boys (hell, I picked my university >based on the fact that there were no frats, sororities, or sports >teams), but YOU KNOW, just because they are big dumbassed guys in >baseball caps living in a house with Greek letters on it does not >AUTOMATICALLY mean that any music they listen to is automatically >BAD!! I agree! It's possible that they might ACCIDENTALLY listen to something good. >Geez, you guys... such indie-rock snobs!!! lj, you're obviously just far too nice!!! - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:16:35 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: theeze damn kidz nowadaze... > I also think Steve Young would do a good job as the boothjock, Hey, he could talk about salamanders 'n stuff, that would be way more entertaining than Madden - his act got old about twenty years ago. >My jock'o'choice would be Matt Millen. I think he does an excellent job on >the radio broadcasts of MNF with Howard David. I also think that Millen is >the most knowledgable Mike Jockey working today. How about that Ravens guy? Man of the year: Judge Thomas Penfield "Action" Jackson - - Steve __________ Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:24:20 -0500 From: steve Subject: Hey Kids! http://www.express.com/consumer/Product_Boxshots.asp?prodnum=17306 - - Steve __________ Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:07:28 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: i often dream of sim-chiks On 7 Jun 00, at 14:47, Bayard wrote: > > I'd rather visit a page filled with tags than one with > > an automatic, involuntarily activated soundtrack. Such things > > are abominable and you should be ashamed to have allowed the > > impurity to enter your mind. > > it's for work. thanks for the (definitive) answer! I didn't answer, because there are plenty out there who are better than I. Go to: http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/reports/index.htm and look at the source. It opens a *.wav, but I'm almost certain that it's handled the same way as any other file: your browser is set up to tell what program handles files of this type. If you can click on a *.ra in Netscape or Explorer and have it play for you, you ought to be able to load it as a background sound. I've also been to sites that had MIDI background, which also implies that any file can be opened whenever a web page is opened, as long as you have set the browser to recognise the type. I think Andrew was trying to say in a comical way that he'd rather nobody ever tried to do this. Of course I couldn't even design a web page as nice as yours; all I've got is one seminar under my belt. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:31:57 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: theeze damn kidz nowadaze... I also think Steve Young would do a good job as the boothjock, Absolutely not. He's stiff, and doesn't really seem to know what he's doing. Am I the only one aware that ol Steve is a direct descendent of Brigham Young? and is a devout Mormon? After his injury last year, he was invited to do some commentary and he was just terrible. > > Hey, he could talk about salamanders 'n stuff, that would be way more > entertaining than Madden - his act got old about twenty years ago. Agreed. I used to like Madden, but his schtick is getting quite old. Oh, I should introduce myself to those who don't know me. My name is Vincent, Randy R., Mr. Debora, and Steven Tyler (as Ross O pointed out). Actually, I'm not *Mr. Debora* anymore since we have parted ways, but we are still on great terms. She holds the season tickets to the Seahawks, you see, and with a small bribe on my part (tickets to the Robyn show on the 24th) she will allow me to be at the game when the Broncos come to town. She may be lurking about, so I'll be so kind as to shut up now. Anyhoo, it's Vince, Rock n' Drummer, Rush Freak, and once almost ran over Eddie outside the Crocodile Cafe in Seattle. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:32:45 -0400 From: "Ben" Subject: ISO scans Anyone have some good quality scans for Two Halves For The Price Of One, Live Death, or Invisible History? Please email me off list, thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:49:18 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Stuff and More.... FYI: Horse Whisperer would have killed me. I could have seen an entire loop of Adam Sandler's stupidest bits on SNL for 24 hours before sitting through HW. You could even make me watch the unedited fifteen hours of Chris Farley Saturday Night Live barfing scene before you could get me to watch that. Breakfast of Champions was the first book I ever loved. (Okay, you got me: _Go Dog Go_ was my earliest favorite classic piece of literature, but I digress.) I'm sure it is impossible to make a movie from BOC that can communicate anything that was powerful about the writing or the story. It doesn't surprise me that I haven't heard a real person who liked the movie. The box at the rental place has some quotes on it that disagree. A great thing about _Breakfast of Champions_, the book, is that it takes about as much time to read as it takes to go see it in a theatre. It is still one of my favorite books. I saw _Being John Malcovich_, _American Beauty_, and _Still Crazy_ in the past couple of weeks. I enjoyed them all. About those zany early nineties acts: Though I have said things construed as uncomplimentary toward Nirvana, I still consider them the best of a host of bands that lean similarly. I try very hard not to confuse my disappointment that bands that had much more hold for me didn't make it in the market with any feelings about Nirvana or Sound Garden or Nelson. Woj sent out the info that the former lead singer of School of fish died. I spent a couple of days looking at web sites and reading about him. It is the first time I was so personally touched by a death of a famous person since probably Frank Zappa. I thought and think School of Fish was brilliant. I also had an indescribable connection with that guy. I really felt like I could see through his eyes in his songwriting. Man, He even looked a lot like I did when I was younger. It was kind of strange for me to go through all that. One time I saw them in concert at the worst place around. He and I stared at each other at times. It was kinda strange. I think we were both kind of weirded out. Other bands that at times knocked me over were Dada and Material Issue. Primus was great. Have you ever thought about early-demise body counts among the profound? Yes, I'm sure you have. It would appear that I have a natural immunity. Other thot(h)s for MNF: Tony Bruno, Tom Tolbert. Bill Parcels would be great but I want him to be very active with the Jets. I think it would be really bad for ABC to delay too long in selecting someone for the booth- their publicity stunt would backfire. They shouldn't pick someone just because he/she is reviled. Please don't suggest Howard Stern Happies, - -Markg "Gloster is a big dork." - -J.A. "I am _NOT_ crabby Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the hierarchy of embarrassing confessions Eb wrote: > Tom: > >My wife and I have season tix to the NHL's San Jose Sharks > >franchise. > > Having season tickets for *hockey* easily surpasses endorsing an Adam > Sandler movie, right? ;) it doesn't even approach having Warrior season tickets though. and no i don't. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:53:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: all over the world "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: >Aaron Mandel wrote: > [ Weezer] >> really? i saw the first album catch on with college hipsters. but >> anyway, it was the clothes i was thinking of -- the album cover was >> just them standing against a blue background in their dorky clothes, >> and at the time i remember thinking it was sort of unusual. as you >> point out, now it would be a massive cliche. > > Talking Heads, _More Songs About Buildings and Food_, 1978? > > Perhaps Weezer's was a little less arty. far less so. no distortions, and against a plain blue background. aluded to a feelies sleeve actually. dunno which one though. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: american television shall crush your spirit and lead to eventual dull happiness. or not cuz nothing makes non americans happier or more interested than discussions of american televised sports!!!!! The Kielbasa Kid wrote: > rant of the day: why the hell won't FOX put Family Guy in a time slot > and LEAVE it there? FAR the best show on their network, but you have > to re-program your damned vcr EVERY week, 'cause it's always on at a > different time. and if you forget...well, this week i taped some > sort of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? ripoff. cuz they cancelled it and don't give a fuck. they're just burning off episodes now. Glen Uber wrote: > On 06.06.00 16:58, Mark frosted a few mugs by stating: > > Jim Rome has his own idiot ditto heads (and a few people who are > > really sharp but don't call his show), despite having some > > idea about sports and journalism should be considered. > > That would be EPIC! > > > I also think Steve Young would do a good job as the boothjock, > > My jock'o'choice would be Matt Millen. I think he does an excellent > job on the radio broadcasts of MNF with Howard David. I also think > that Millen is the most knowledgable Mike Jockey working today. Millen would be great, but he's under contract to FOX, and there's no way in hell they'd let him go to do ABC television. they probably gnash their teeth over him still working for CBS radio now that CBS tv has football again. > What about promoting one of the ESPN guys? Chris Berman would give > the show a serious kick in the ass. he's already doing the halftime stuff. actually, supposedly their fallback choices now are Tom Jackson and Sterling Sharpe, either of whom would probably be good. certainly better than moving Joe Theismann (accckk!!) over from Sunday Night Football. actually, my favorite idea was from either bud geracie or mark purdy of the sj merc, who suggested bill murray (along with an ex-footballer). > > Al Michaels is good. Boomer was bad. Dierdorf was awful and > > couldn't stand being in a small room with a quarterback > > whose legs he wasn't allowed to snap off. dierdorf was an offensive tackle though, so he'd want to protect a qb. or as bubba paris felt about jeff george, that at least someone else's guy would hurt him. > Wasn't Gifford a running back? a wide receiver/kicker in the nfl i think, but he could have been a rb at usc. > Reminds me of a joke: > > When you first heard that an NFL hall of fame running back who was a > Heisman Trophy winner at USC murdered his wife, weren't you kinda > hoping they were talking about Frank Gifford? yes. "Randy R." wrote: >> I also think Steve Young would do a good job as the boothjock, > > Absolutely not. He's stiff, and doesn't really seem to know what > he's doing. he was good on the wild card broadcasts; less so on the super bowl > Am I the only one aware that ol Steve is a direct descendent > of Brigham Young? and is a devout Mormon? it's been mentioned a few times in the press around the bay area. i understand a few people in utah are aware of this fact as well. did you know robyn hitchcock spells his first name with a "Y"? and what does steve young religious beliefs have to do with whether or not he should be sitting by al michaels? though how seriously devout a mormon can you be if you don't get married until you're almost 40? ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:09:55 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: 195 minutes? My God, that's over three hours! "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > Neither film was as bad as _Breakfast of Champions_. I don't think this even got a video release in the UK. It had to suck really badly, then. The French poster for it was neat, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Stuff and More.... - --- Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: [Breakfast of Champions] > powerful about the writing or the story. It doesn't surprise me > that I haven't heard a real person who liked the movie. The box > at the rental place has some quotes on it that disagree. There are a few positive reviews floating around the net. These people are wrong. The movie is hideously awful. Everyone acts like complete lunatics throughout. The audience is led to believe that any moment the camera will pull back to reveal padded cell walls, when in fact the impression should be one of lunacy lurking beneath what we usually recognize as normalcy. When Dwayne goes semi-postal at the end, there is zero contrast with his behavior throughout the film. Yes, I forced myself to watch the rest of it. No real improvement, though there were a few amusing scenes. And Lukas Haas is awfully cute as Bunny. > A great thing about _Breakfast of Champions_, the book, is that > it takes about as much time to read as it takes to go see it in > a theatre. It is still one of my favorite books. I love the book. It just didn't translate well at all. > I saw _Being John Malcovich_, _American Beauty_, and _Still > Crazy_ in the past couple of weeks. I enjoyed them all. I just watched Being John Malkovich again the other night and it was just as terrific as the first time round. There's a lucidity about the film that seems like a glimpse into an alternate universe where good movies are made. I can't think of any reason I might have to see American Beauty again. Well, nothing plot-related, anyway. A lot of movies were heavily praised last year, and that I think might be the only one that didn't really deserve it. I liked it all right, but for every scene that seemed on-target to me there was one that was way off base or contrived. My favorite scene -- for plot-related reasons -- was Annette Bening's character sobbing after failing to sell a house. It was a theoretically simple moment that Bening made hugely expressive; half of the movie's emotional reality was brought to life right there. > Though I have said things construed as uncomplimentary toward > Nirvana, I still consider them the best of a host of bands that > lean similarly. I would agree. They're the only one I don't turn off. > I try very hard not to confuse my disappointment that bands > that had much more hold for me didn't make it in the market > with any feelings about Nirvana or Sound Garden or Nelson. Nelson?! Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:36:37 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Naked Lunch >The worst film I have ever seen- But it just ends. Obviously I wasn't "hip" >enough to get it, but since this film was made at all, it needs to be longer. > I mean, it just ENDS! It is possible that I fell asleep, and just woke up >at the end. But I am through with Cronenberg after that POS the end, to me, is where the shooting incident(s) converge(s) with a moment of clarity. the whole interzone portion of the movie could be taken as a drug-induced hallucination. another great moment of clarity comes when his buddies stumble across all of these pages scattered around weller's apartment. they start reading some of the stuff and weller just says, "that was planted here." granted, the flick is hard to follow; but have you ever tried to read the book? personally, i liked this movie a lot. the portrayal of william lee by peter weller is well done and judy davis is great as always. the cutup style of the flick mirrors the book pretty well. i think cronenberg is one of the most daring filmakers around. i haven't seen all of his movies; but _dead ringers_ is one of my favorites. _crash_, _the fly_, and _the dead zone_ are all worth watching. >I am verrrrrrrrry surprised that nobody has mentioned Meet Joe Black, to >which I was all ready to defend it's bloated length as a welcome change to >ordinary Hollywood fare. The scenes just linger. You could probably cut 25 >minutes of the film just by tightening the scenes, but that would have ruined >the mood. I loved the way this was cut. i really didn't like this movie. yeah, the scenes linger and linger and linger. it tries to play too much out in these scenes. the acting is so lackluster that i just couldn't stand it. brad pitt as joe black seems to miss the point and it's not just the writing. the whole relationship with him and claire forlani is just not convincing. the best part of this flick was the short segment that has shown up around the internet where brad gets caught in traffic. i think the idea is interesting and i can see that death wouldn't have much emotional depth; but i just was not drawn in by the story, characters, or lingering mood. ken "i guess it's about time for our william tell routine" the kenster np velvet underground fully loaded version ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:02:39 EDT From: "Richard Zeszotarski" Subject: Re: 195 minutes? My God, that's over three hours! >Quail wrote: > >And bear in mind, I love long movies -- "Patton," "Lawrence of > >Arabia," "Dr. Zhivago," "The Godfather...." No problem! "I Claudius?" > >Miniseries be damned, bring the whole thing on! "Der Ring des > >Nibelungen?" Just waiting to be made! But some movies really overstay > >their welcome. Other films that I do not believe justified their > >unholy length were, indeed, "Horse Whisperer," "The Unbearable > >Lightness of Boring," and "Howard's End." Although I have not seen > >"The Green Mile," I hear it is a contender. Alright, it's good to know that I'm not the only person that found "Howard's End" a collossal bore. Heck, they should have called it "Howard's Endless", as the damn film seemed to go on forever. My three female friends insisted on renting this one night ( I wanted to get "Enter the Dragon" or "Hard Boiled" but they just turned up their noses at that!) Another dreadfully long movie that I had to endure recently was "the English Patient." As much as I dislike this term, I have to admit this film falls very nicely into the categorization of a "chick flick" as the two women I saw it with loved it, while I just sat there thinking "I just don't get this." As far as short movies that seem to go on forever, despite their brevity, let me add "The Bostonians" to that list. I saw this film when I was about thirteen and I'm still recovering from how dreadfully boring it was! Yea, gods, would those characters never shut up! I think I breath a sigh of relief when it ended, because I wasn't sure if I could have taken much more of that drivel. Since we're talking about movies here, I'd also like to add that I saw "Titus" yesterday as part of our local performing art center's film series. Good film, especially the art direction and use of modern elements, but the projectionist must have mixed up the reels and shown them in the wrong order, because we go from one scene, jump forward a bit, then jump back again to where we left off. Not a smart thing to do with Shakespeare, but it seemed like I was the only one who noticed. - -Rich Z. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #145 *******************************