From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #142 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 6 2000 Volume 09 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: eb all over the world [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: eb all over the world ["J. Brown" ] Re: BUT WAIT... THERE'S MORE! [lj lindhurst ] Tuesday morning [Natalie Jacobs ] Pleasuring myself [BLATZMAN@aol.com] r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world [Glen Uber ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world ["Randy R." ] Tuesday sometimes [GSS ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Roy'n'Robyn [overbury@cn.ca] Shame. Shame!!! Shame!!!! [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Pleasuring myself [Tom Clark ] Re: Shame. Shame!!! Shame!!!! [Eric Loehr ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world [Eb ] Re: non-album tracks [ultraconformist ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the Cleveland rocks Cleveland rocks [Jason Thor] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world [Tom Clark ] Re: new world men [Eb ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world [Eb ] Re: non-album tracks [hbrandt ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world [dmw ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world [Tom Clark ] Re: new world men [Jason Thornton ] Re: new world men [Eb ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Are we not men? We are frat rockers! [Glen Uber ] Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world ["Randy R." Subject: Re: eb all over the world The Kielbasa Kid wrote: >> Hitchcock should go straight to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame for >> that feat alone. > > speaking of which, when exactly does robyn become eligible for the > hall? since "Give it to the Soft Boys" EP was released in March 1977, 2002. i wouldn't hold my breath though, since they have to get the little river band and journey in first..... hell, iggy pop, leonard cohen, and roxy music are all still waiting. and robyn's less famous than any of them. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: eb all over the world On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > The Kielbasa Kid wrote: > >> Hitchcock should go straight to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame for > >> that feat alone. > > > > speaking of which, when exactly does robyn become eligible for the > > hall? > > since "Give it to the Soft Boys" EP was released in March 1977, 2002. i > wouldn't hold my breath though, since they have to get the little river > band and journey in first..... As a solo artist Robyn will be eligible in 2006 and i think its morelikely that he'll go in solo than with the soft boys. He'll probably never get in though if he does it willlikely be afte r hes dead. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I Don't Speak Fascist" -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:49:52 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: BUT WAIT... THERE'S MORE! I agree! I just spent about 2 hours there (when I should have been doing my stupid work). You went to a lot of work, Nick! And I *love* the design....awesome job. I unfortunately have nothing to offer by way of identifying ?'s, though... lj >On Fri, 26 May 2000, Crazy Unca' Nick wrote: > >> My sainted namesake in that "other place" is definitely feeling a >> chill and pigs everywhere are on the phone to TWA. Can it be ...? >> >> Ohmygod! A Fegfotos Update! > >And truly a great update, too! My cone-hat is off to Nick. BTW, I'd like >to point out to everyone that, in addition to photos of recent events, >Nick has added numerous new photos from old events. In fact, you all >should go back to page one and start looking at every single photo, to >make sure you don't miss any. (And I'm not just saying that because I >contributed some of those photos.) > >--Chris, >gearing up for the 2-day Summer Synthpop Festival this weekend > >______________________________________________________________________ >Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:28:00 -0700 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Tuesday morning > I am not a fan of LA culture and the smog, but I was rooting for > the Lakers last night. It was good for me that Portland only played > 36 minutes of basketball... Gawd, am I sick of seeing "Go Blazers" signs everywhere - I thought I left Ann Arbor ("Go Blue!") to get *away* from sports mania... :P Thanks for Great Lakes info. I heard one track by them on a compilation and dug it (great out-of-tune trumpet riff) so I was wondering whether or not to get the album. Mostly I bought the comp because it had an unreleased Minders tune on it, of course... Speaking of which, the Minders rocked out the other night, though I was pissed that their new guitarist stole my haircut. (He played a Silvertone - aren't those the guitars you get from Sears?) Unfortunately, though I was hoping to be won over by the main act (a Mr. Elliott Smith), I found his music to be even more uncompelling than it is on disc, and my friend and I left halfway through. He had a full band with him, which made all the songs sound the same and drowned out the lyrics; his wispy voice couldn't compete with the volume. I had really been hoping for an all-acoustic set - maybe I would have been won over under those circumstances. (It's also a bummer to listen to an artist you're ambivalent about while everyone around you is in swooning ecstasy...) obviously not a true Portlander, n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:10:19 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Pleasuring myself Sorry folks, when I said I had the pleasure fo being the first person to see the body of Dorothy Dandridge being carried out of her house, there was a supposed to be a hint of sarcasm there. Of course it wasn't pleasurable. As a matter of fact it was very upsetting. I was supposed to be receiving footage of her funeral. Some old guy said he had undeveloped 16mm footage of her body being carried into the hearse at the funeral. It was UNDEVELOPED!!! Which, in terms of TV, is a coup cause it had never been seen before. It came back from the lab and it was police footage of going through her home, photographing everything the way it was the day she died. I was turned off and saddened by the whole thing. By that time in the Biography, I had come to know Dandridge, and I cared about her and respected her. It's very strange to work to intimately on another persons life. I wasn't sure that this footage should be for the public. So I and called the producer, saying we couldn't use any of it. It was kind of wierd when everyone came in cause when they saw what we had it was like "oh my God, we HAVE to use this" So it was not a pleasure, and I'm sorry if I made it sound that way. I have to come to love and respect Dandridge so much (not an easy accomplisment for a fascist racist pig like me). The E! true Hollywood story was only 30 minutes on her life, I think. Either way, I watched it and felt very badly cause it was such a bad presentation of such an interesting life. Thank goodness Halle Berry got the rights to her story. Whitney Houston was trying to get the rights at the same time. That would have SUCKED!!!!!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:02:19 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world On 05.06.00 22:17, The Kielbasa Kid wrote: > speaking of which, when exactly does robyn become eligible for the hall? I believe one becomes eligible 25 years after releasing his/her/their first legitimate recording. Thus, Robyn will become eligible as a Soft Boy in 2002, as a solo artist in 2006, and as an Egyptian in 2009. - -- Cheers! - -g- "The revolution will not be televised but it will have its own web site." - --Glen Uber, 25 April 2000 (apologies to Gil Scott-Heron) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:37:17 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world I believe it is 25 years after the first release of the band/artist. The HOF passed on Rush last year, and this year as well. Their self titled debut was released in 1974. If Rush don't make it, there is no justice in the world. As if the HOF pay any attention to that sort of stuff anyways. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:38:51 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Sweetwater show info Hey all, I checked out ticket information for Robyn's show at the Sweetwater in Mill Valley on the 22nd. The bartender didn't know about ticket prices yet, but said that advanced orders may be placed starting Thursday the 8th by calling the Sweetwater and providing a valid credit card #. You must have the credit card in your possession when checking in at show time. I'll try to get them to nail down a price today. More information may be obtained by calling the Sweetwater at 415-388-2820 or visiting their web site at http://www.sweetwatersaloon.com. From their monthly events calendar: Sweetwater is featuring: ROBYN HITCHCOCK & GRANT LEE PHILLIPS Event: ROBYN HITCHCOCK & GRANT LEE PHILLIPS Date of Show: 06/22/00 at 9 pm Door Charge: $ Artist Bio: ROBYNıs songs have always been about the shock of existence, whether that shock is benign or terrible. Conversely, his songs also celebrate relationships and how love redeems the atrocities that citizens of the world all condone. He is one of England's most enduring contemporary singer-songwriters and live performers, although he's been branded with the tags eccentric and quirky during the course of his long career. His career began with THE SOFT BOYS. HITCHCOCK's voice veers between JOHN LENNON and SYD BARRETT, but his true influences lie more in English folk-rock. His guitar and vocal style recall INCREDIBLE STRING BAND or ROY HARPER. - -- Cheers! - -g- If you lend $20 to someone and never see that person again, it was probably worth it. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:50:12 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Tuesday sometimes On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Speaking of which, the Minders rocked out the other night, though I was > pissed that their new guitarist stole my haircut. (He played a Silvertone - > aren't those the guitars you get from Sears?) Unfortunately, though I was Yep, the Silvertones were sold by S&R for about 40 years, I believe almost exclusively mail-order. And not only guitars, but organs, basses, cabinets, radios, phonographs and amps. They even did a amp-in-case and a guitar with amp and speaker built in. Of course S&R did not make any of these audio components, they were built by Kay, Danelectro, Harmony, Stella, Teisco and maybe a few others. Pretty neat stuff, really weird body shapes, and interesting paint jobs. I you have one, keep it and if you see one in good shape, get it. Greg "There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life in your own way." - Christopher Morley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world - --- "Randy R." wrote: > I believe it is 25 years after the first release of the band/artist. > The > HOF passed on Rush last year, and this year as well. Their self titled > debut was released in 1974. If Rush don't make it, there is no justice > in > the world. As if the HOF pay any attention to that sort of stuff > anyways. I always thought of the Hall of Fame as a nearly meaningless honor, like the Grammys or the MTV Video Music Awards. Am I mistaken? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:06:47 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world >--- "Randy R." wrote: >> I believe it is 25 years after the first release of the band/artist. >> The >> HOF passed on Rush last year, and this year as well. Their self titled >> debut was released in 1974. If Rush don't make it, there is no justice >> in >> the world. As if the HOF pay any attention to that sort of stuff >> anyways. > >I always thought of the Hall of Fame as a nearly meaningless honor, >like the Grammys or the MTV Video Music Awards. Am I mistaken? > >Drew Me, too-- isn't it pretty much one step up from being honored by the Hard Rock Cafe? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:23:31 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Roy'n'Robyn On 6 Jun 00, at 10:38, Glen Uber wrote: > >From their monthly events calendar: > > His guitar and vocal style > recall INCREDIBLE STRING BAND or ROY HARPER. HAH! I compared Hitchcock to Harper way back and got little agreement. Vindication is mine. Mine! Mine!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:28:37 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Shame. Shame!!! Shame!!!! I double-posted. I'm a worm. No, I'm the nematode that eats the dung of the worm. No, I'm the slime that leaks from the cyst that plagues the nematode... But I was right about Roy! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:31:27 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Pleasuring myself So what did you think about the HBO movie? As someone who had never really heard of her before, I thought it was well done, but I can't attest to how factual it was. - -tc On 6/6/2000 9:10 AM, BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > By that time in the Biography, I had >come to know Dandridge, and I cared about her and respected her. It's very >strange to work to intimately on another persons life. I wasn't sure that >this footage should be for the public. So I and called the producer, saying >we couldn't use any of it. It was kind of wierd when everyone came in cause >when they saw what we had it was like "oh my God, we HAVE to use this" So >it >was not a pleasure, and I'm sorry if I made it sound that way. I have to >come to love and respect Dandridge so much (not an easy accomplisment for a >fascist racist pig like me). > >The E! true Hollywood story was only 30 minutes on her life, I think. >Either >way, I watched it and felt very badly cause it was such a bad presentation >of >such an interesting life. > >Thank goodness Halle Berry got the rights to her story. Whitney Houston was >trying to get the rights at the same time. That would have SUCKED!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:12:40 -0400 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Shame. Shame!!! Shame!!!! At 02:28 PM 6/6/00 -0400, overbury@cn.ca wrote: > >I double-posted. I'm a worm. No, I'm the nematode >that eats the dung of the worm. No, I'm the slime that >leaks from the cyst that plagues the nematode... Hey, aren't those Rush lyrics? Eric "I am the slime from your video Oozin' along on your livin'room floor" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:18:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world >I believe it is 25 years after the first release of the band/artist. The >HOF passed on Rush last year, and this year as well. Their self titled >debut was released in 1974. If Rush don't make it, there is no justice in >the world. At last...a reason to be content with an unjust world. Whew. Speaking of Rush and how well they could handle announcing Monday Night Football, here's *my* burning question: How did the music scene evolve to the point where every alt-pop band with commercial aspirations has to dress like gas-station attendants going bowling in the '50s? Who set this precedent? It's not quite punk (leather jackets are strictly off-limits), it's not quite ska, it certainly has zilch to do with grunge.... If I have to hear one album by grinning homely dudes with greased hair, goatees, tattoos and bright-colored sneakers, I may upchuck. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:15:41 -0700 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: non-album tracks >it is better than Watch Your Intelligence. but i don't think it's as good >as: (snip) New Thread! New Thread! wooooo! First of all......you really think "Live Man Die" is all that? It is not one-tenth as cool as "Hanging Out With Dad". Which brings me to another question.....IS there going to be another one of those extra track compilations things at some point (i.e., is Rhino still interested in doing these?)? Is Robyn maybe going to put one together himself and sell them through the website? Hrrrmmmm. Just gimme some OXYGEN, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:22:22 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the Cleveland rocks Cleveland rocks At 12:18 PM 6/6/00 -0700, Eb wrote: >Speaking of Rush and how well they could handle announcing Monday Night >Football, here's *my* burning question: How did the music scene evolve to >the point where every alt-pop band with commercial aspirations has to dress >like gas-station attendants going bowling in the '50s? Who set this >precedent? It's not quite punk (leather jackets are strictly off-limits), >it's not quite ska, it certainly has zilch to do with grunge.... Third Eye Blind! I swear I've seen pictures or video-clips of Third Eye Blind in black leather jackets. And maybe Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty (20) as well... just really nice ones, not the kind with metallic spikes and anarchy symbols painted on the back with Liquid Paper. Although, I could be wrong. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:41:50 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world On 6/6/2000 12:18 PM, Eb wrote: >Speaking of Rush and how well they could handle announcing Monday Night >Football, here's *my* burning question: How did the music scene evolve to >the point where every alt-pop band with commercial aspirations has to dress >like gas-station attendants going bowling in the '50s? Who set this >precedent? It's not quite punk (leather jackets are strictly off-limits), >it's not quite ska, it certainly has zilch to do with grunge.... Take Kurt Cobain and run him through the Madison Avenue marketing machine. If Nirvana were coming up now, the labels would try to either pump up the music to make them sound like Kid Rock, or dumb down the lyrics to make them sound like Blink 182. I think Kurt could write a better song while dead than any of those no-talent ass clowns could today. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:46:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: new world men >>How did the music scene evolve to >>the point where every alt-pop band with commercial aspirations has to dress >>like gas-station attendants going bowling in the '50s? Who set this >>precedent? It's not quite punk (leather jackets are strictly off-limits), >>it's not quite ska, it certainly has zilch to do with grunge.... > >Third Eye Blind! I swear I've seen pictures or video-clips of Third Eye >Blind in black leather jackets. And maybe Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty >(20) as well... just really nice ones, not the kind with metallic spikes >and anarchy symbols painted on the back with Liquid Paper. Didn't I just say that leather jackets are *not* part of this formula? I don't think Matchbox 20 and TEB fall into this category...I'm talking more about the Smash Mouth aesthetic. Which reminds me of another visual component which seems to be valued in this microgenre: fat guys. Curious. Eb, thinking this genre is just begging for a catchy, mass-marketed label np: Bowling for Soup...or wait, was that Dynamite Hack? Oh, right -- Dynamite Hack was a couple of days ago. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:53:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world >>Who set this >>precedent? It's not quite punk (leather jackets are strictly off-limits), >>it's not quite ska, it certainly has zilch to do with grunge.... > >Take Kurt Cobain and run him through the Madison Avenue marketing >machine. I really don't think it has much to do with grunge, as I already said. It's a new stage. No ska influence in Nirvana, little or no metal influence in this new wave of "grease pop" (that's about the best catchphrase I can come up with). Hmm...perhaps Green Day is the catalyst, which set this applecart in motion. Yes, no? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:07:17 -0600 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: non-album tracks > ...IS there going to be another one of > those extra track compilations things at some point? Is Robyn maybe > going to put one together > himself and sell them through the website? According to recent Robyn interviews, he's done with new releases for a year or so while he (finally) finishes his novel. A forthcoming CD of cover songs will likely appear on Editions PAF! and be sold through the Museum. Afterwards, he may eschew the CD format altogether in favor of releasing songs one at a time over the internet (a la Todd Rundgren's PATRONET: http://www.patronet.com). > How did the music scene evolve to > the point where every alt-pop band with commercial aspirations has to dress > like gas-station attendants going bowling in the '50s? "Commercial aspirations" being the key words here. That's what motivates these non-talents posing as "artists", and who can blame them for their desperation? The Rock Era started with Chuck Berry/Elvis and ended when Cobain offed himself. It's all been said and done. End of story arc. Sure, there will always be good music being made, but Pop/Rock as art, "art", or Art is finished (just ask the increasingly pathetic Billy Corgan). Now, get over it and look to other things to tickle your pleasure centers. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:27:35 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > Hmm...perhaps Green Day is the catalyst, which set this applecart in > motion. Yes, no? hrm. not sonically, surely...aren't green day straight up pop-punk? buzzcocks lite? - -- d., homely rocker eschewing grease & goatees; fond of leather - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:27:49 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world On 6/6/2000 1:53 PM, Eb wrote: >I really don't think it has much to do with grunge, as I already said. It's >a new stage. No ska influence in Nirvana, little or no metal influence in >this new wave of "grease pop" (that's about the best catchphrase I can come >up with). > >Hmm...perhaps Green Day is the catalyst, which set this applecart in >motion. Yes, no? Well, arguably ska & reggae always seem to regain popularity whenever a new musical trend hits. For example, when Rock n' Roll hit the mainstream in the late '50's, New Wave in the late '70's, and Grunge in the '90's (for some reason it stayed undercover during the prog rock era). Subsequently, it finds it's way into a blender with the current trend: The Kingsmen, The Police, Smash Mouth. So, to your original statement of "it's not quite ska, it's not quite punk", you now have my theory, which is worth about as much a the paper it's written on. As far as the "50's gas station attendant going bowling" attire, I blame John Hedges. I don't know why, I just do. - -t "Rack Me, I Am Out" c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:27:57 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: new world men At 01:46 PM 6/6/00 -0700, Eb wrote: > >>How did the music scene evolve to > >>the point where every alt-pop band with commercial aspirations has to dress > >>like gas-station attendants going bowling in the '50s? Who set this > >>precedent? It's not quite punk (leather jackets are strictly off-limits), > >>it's not quite ska, it certainly has zilch to do with grunge.... > > > >Third Eye Blind! I swear I've seen pictures or video-clips of Third Eye > >Blind in black leather jackets. And maybe Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty > >(20) as well... just really nice ones, not the kind with metallic spikes > >and anarchy symbols painted on the back with Liquid Paper. > >Didn't I just say that leather jackets are *not* part of this formula? Right. And I was disagreeing with you, suggesting that perhaps they should be. :) >I don't think Matchbox 20 and TEB fall into this category...I'm talking >more about the Smash Mouth aesthetic. Perhaps I was just a tad bit confused as to what exactly you meant by "alt-pop." AMG classifies Third Eye Blind as "Adult Alternative Pop/Rock" and "Post-Grunge," but Matchbox 20 merely as "Rock" (or "Pop/Rock" or "American Traditional Rock" or "Post-Grunge" as well). So, I suppose I was thinking of something else... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:43:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: new world men >Perhaps I was just a tad bit confused as to what exactly you meant by >"alt-pop." Well, maybe "punk-pop" would've been more descriptive. "Frat-party punk"? Dunno. Eb (is "The Horse Whisperer" the most overlong film ever made?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world - --- dmw wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Eb wrote: > > > Hmm...perhaps Green Day is the catalyst, which set this applecart in > > motion. Yes, no? > > hrm. not sonically, surely...aren't green day straight up pop-punk? > buzzcocks lite? I thought we were just talking about fashion, in which case I would say Eb hit the nail on the head. Though presumably the look came from somewhere before Green Day made it mandatory for the demographic he's talking about. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:52:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: new world men - --- Eb wrote: > Eb (is "The Horse Whisperer" the most overlong film ever made?) I would say _Breakfast of Champions_, which at 110 minutes was approximately 109 minutes too long. Though, granted, I shut it off after only 37 minutes, unable to bear the desecration any longer. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:08:22 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Are we not men? We are frat rockers! On 06.06.00 14:43, Eb wrote: > Well, maybe "punk-pop" would've been more descriptive. "Frat-party punk"? I've been using the "Frat Rock" for years to describe bands such as Red Hot Chili Peppers, Hootie and the Blowchunks, Dave Matthews Band, Smash Mouth, etc. I suppose Limp Bizkit and others of their ilk could also be considered frat rock. I think frat rock can be best described as: music that is generally listened to by 18 - 25 year-olds either still in or fresh out of college. The music itself isn't quite cutting-edge, but is different enough from the "mainstream" (whatever that may be nowadays) to make it "hip". By the same token, it isn't so cutting edge that it requires a listener's full attention in order to appreciate the music, nor does it require that the listener have taken a music theory class in order to understand its alternative-ness, ie it's safe enough that it doesn't alienate a majority of the people. Sorry to be so vague; suffice to say I know it when I hear it. Same goes for Moustache Rock, Geezer Rock and Hat Rock. - -- Cheers! - -g- "I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:33:55 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: r'n'r h.o.f. all over the world From: Eb > >I believe it is 25 years after the first release of the band/artist. The > >HOF passed on Rush last year, and this year as well. Their self titled > >debut was released in 1974. If Rush don't make it, there is no justice in > >the world. > > At last...a reason to be content with an unjust world. Whew. Eb, you are once again, trying to get my goat. In the past, you had admitted to me that the only release you heard of them was 2112. Their catalog extends quite a bit beyond that. Trust me. > > Speaking of Rush and how well they could handle announcing Monday Night > Football I think that Limbaugh will do quite well as MNF announcer, at least much better than Boomer, who's favorite phrase was "you know", counted 54 times during one broadcast. RL is a die-hard Steelers fan, so I'm more concerned over his bias on that than his political views. > > If I have to hear one album by grinning homely dudes with greased hair, > goatees, tattoos and bright-colored sneakers, I may upchuck. Note to Eb: Rush : "Different Stages" (Live, 1998, bonus CD from 1977) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #142 *******************************