From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #125 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, May 15 2000 Volume 09 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: lyrics quiz & help my soul ["she.rex" ] and another thing... (free ISP's) ["she.rex" ] replying to an old post [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: Limey Communists! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: traffic ["matt sewell" ] YLT + Robyn, Glasgow, 13/5/2000 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Who wants to be an Eballovertheworldaire? ["matt sewell" ] from ["Repent!, Inc." [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:55:44 -0400 From: "she.rex" Subject: Re: lyrics quiz & help my soul I too, was shamed - only recognized the Hoodoo Gurus (Aussie band - I have most of their albums). So how 'bout a little help, James? Dave - We got Bluelight - you can get a CD-ROM from any KMart store. The only catches are 1) you have to watch a little video ad while connecting, and 2) it puts a non-removable ad strip across the top of your computer screen - this can be moved to the bottom if you want, but it is visible the entire time you are connected and on top of every program. You can't turn it off or hide it. We also got Juno, WorldSpy and NetZero. That way if one is busy we can use another. (When Andy finds anything free he gets a dozen or so for good measure. We have about 40 email addresses - no exaggeration.) Xoom has one of these free ISP things, too - I think the WorldSpy works through Xoom as well. All work about the same way. NetZero is the most annoying, as it requires you to click a banner ad on its strip every 30 minutes. At least it gives you a 5-minute warning. We have to use it because the others will not let us use a different email address as the Return address when we use Eudora to send email. We want to use our lifetime Bigfoot and Lycos and several other addresses, so if we are going to send mail we use NetZero. Some ad strips are a little smaller than others - Bluelight & NetZero's are a little smaller than Juno's, for instance. So - we no longer have to pay $20 a month and neither do you if you don't mind a bunch of in-your-face capitalism. We think it's not a bad way to stiff the system.:-) Got ASFB - I don't get it yet. Guess it'll take a few more listens... She.Rex - ----------------------- I Do the Rock by Tim Curry (annotated by Linda Fletcher) The Politicians Verse Carter, Began and Sadat Brezhnev, Teng and Castro Everyday negotiate us closer to disastro Idi Amin and the Shah And Al Fatah is quite bizarre I could never get the hang of ideology I do the rock I do the Rock Rock - --You have to remember this was written in 1978-79 - --US President Carter, Israeli Prime Minister Began - --and Egyptian President Sadat's meetings to find - --peace in the Middle East were big news. - --Brezhnev in the Soviet Union, Castro in Cuba, - --and Mao Tse Teng in China, were not interested in peace, anywhere. - --Idi Amin was the African President who bragged - --about eating human flesh, the Iranian Shah was not - --popular at home or anywhere else, Al Fatah was the - --name of a Libyan guided missile program secretly - --aided by Serbia, and/or a paramilitary faction of - --Yassir Arafat's PLO. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:33:03 -0400 From: "she.rex" Subject: and another thing... (free ISP's) I forgot to mention Andy always gives fake info when signing up for anything on the web, as well as an addy he uses only for this purpose, which he clears the messages from periodically so we don't deal with junk mail on the ones we really use. This is a simple survival tactic everyone hopefully knows about by now, yes? Of course, we ignore the ads. If you have to click one, you can do it, then click the Back button as soon as the page starts to load. It's a bother, but the NetZero connection is good and less busy than Bluelight, which is getting popular quick. Their program takes longer to load, though, so if we don't think we'll be sending email, just picking it up or surfing, we use one of the others. Everything has pluses and minuses. She.Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:56:54 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: replying to an old post going through an old digest, I discovered this weird but wonderful gem from everyone's favourite evil pinko commie scum Mr Tews: >from this week's Savage Love: >"also, i'd like to reassure my fellow americans that there are worse game >shows out there. [referring to Who Wants To Marry A Multi-Millionaire?] >For instance, new zealand's state-ownded television network recently >showed footage of a man stapling his penis to a crucifix and setting it on >fire." >did you view this, james? (and/or was it somehow your "brainchild"?) This is a little exaggerated. TVNZ did carry a news item on this guy, but did not show it occurring - and it wasn't on a TV game show. Apparently a pub in Auckland offered $500 to whoever did the most outlandish thing in the bar. Needless to say, our strange protagonist won the money. No, I had nothing to do with it, and am more than a little concerned that you think I might have... NZ games shows are very very boring. If you want some wonderfully oo-er TV games shows, though, you should see the Japanese ones! James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:46:18 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Limey Communists! noe@corky.net wrote: > > if it's read by anyone it would be the Mosad first. Isn't their motto "4500 years and still smiting"? If not, it should be. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:59:46 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: traffic >On Thu, 11 May 2000, matt sewell wrote: > > > Also, who's this monkey you speak of - how racist does he/she think > > the world is, and if he/she found that the world was more racist than > > he/she thought it was, well, it wouldn't be? > >the monkey in question is of the Capuchin variety. i don't understand the >rest of your sentence... Jeme can be wrong. I can be wrong. you can be >wrong. if one of your premises when debating was that you definitely not >even a little bit wrong about the world, i don't think you'd even be able >to get anyone to talk to you. however, since i didn't understand what you >wrote, that may not be germane. > >a The whole monkey thing was purely facetious - written at the end of a long day, so not necessarily to be taken too seriously... The sentence you didn't understand was in a similar way purposefully erm, opaque... I merely meant that if you (or your monkey) found that the world was more racist than you had originally thought, the world would stop being more racist than you thought because, in finding that the world was more racist, you'd then know pretty much exactly how racist the world was - ie. the world would then be as racist as you thought... All perhaps proving that close analysis of any of my postings may well be distinctly unrewarding... sorry! Furrowing my brow and stroking my chin.... Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:24:31 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: YLT + Robyn, Glasgow, 13/5/2000 A quick note on the gig at the Mitchell theatre on Saturday night. The Mitchell is an all-seated small theatre, of the type that amateur repertories use. Just as well we were seated -- the band was on for over two and a half hours. The place was packed. Robyn, in fine form, played guitar as an excellent backup to Ira. Songs he lead and sang on were: I wanna destroy you Rock 'n' roll toilet Love Queen of eyes (in encore, totally unrehearsed) A very fun evening, with four encores. A nice local touch: "Needle of Death" in encore, played with great sensitivity. Sonic Boom didn't look too well; that smack diet promotes a bit much weight loss. His equipment was playing up too. Still, he did add some interesting atmospherics. I know for sure someone was taping it. There was a seat with a large pile of discarded batteries under it; taper spoor! The complete ticket is now up at http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/fegtickets.html#stewart Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:53:22 +0100 From: "Pamplemousse" Subject: Re: YLT + Robyn, Glasgow, 13/5/2000 Stewart wrote: > A very fun evening, with four encores. A nice local touch: "Needle of > Death" in encore, played with great sensitivity. Isn't this reference a bit too subtle for our overseas friends, in fact I'd bet that most of the UK fegs aren't aware of the current situation in Glasgow. I only heard about watching the beeb's digital news channel, not seen anything in English newspapers or TV. Searching for a reference I even had trouble finding it on the Scotsman's site. Eventually found the story url below, should all be on one line: http://www.scotsman.com/cgi- bin/t3.cgi/taf/newsweek.taf?function=detail&Scotsman_uid1=nwka1 514&desk=News&cat=newsweek&sec=0 Good report Stewart, wish they'd been playing nearer me :( - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:14:58 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: YLT + Robyn, Glasgow, 13/5/2000 La Dame aux Pamplemousses ("hier") wrote: > > > A very fun evening, with four encores. A nice local touch: "Needle of > > Death" in encore, played with great sensitivity. > > Isn't this reference a bit too subtle for our overseas friends, in fact > I'd bet that most of the UK fegs aren't aware of the current situation > in Glasgow? I don't think Georgia's reference to it being local was anything to do with the recent outbreak of Necrotizing Fasciitis (eww!) amongst the heroin community in the south side. I suspect it was more to do with playing a Bert Jansch song in the singer's adopted home town. > Good report Stewart, wish they'd been playing nearer me :( Thanks. I wish I'd seen them when they were here last year. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:50:49 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Who wants to be an Eballovertheworldaire? James D. writes: >That quiz must've been tougher than I thought. I suspect that >Eb would get most of them though, but I guess he doesn't try these >sorts of things. Would I be the first if I were to suggest that maybe Eb is no longer reading this list? He might still be *subscribed*, but that doesn't mean a thing. Someone might have stolen his computer, or he might have been involved in a horrific back-hoe accident. They might have even taken away his personal T1 line! I guess he lives in L.A., so it's more likely to have been a back-hoe accident, possibly with someone who doesn't speak Peorian... [shudder!] Anyway, it's been a month now, and during this time there's been a new Sugarplastic album announced, a Wire tour, a long thread about L.A. traffic which you *know* is his favorite subject EVER, several King Crimson mentions, and the whole Metallica vs. Napster thing. No WAY he could keep silent through all that if he were really here! And surely Eb couldn't pass up this Matt S. gem: >I merely meant that if you (or your monkey) found that the world >was more racist than you had originally thought, the world would >stop being more racist than you thought because, in finding that >the world was more racist, you'd then know pretty much exactly >how racist the world was - ie. the world would then be as racist >as you thought... If you found out the world was "more" racist, you still wouldn't necessarily know *exactly* how racist it was, would you? It could be even more racist than the degree to which you'd just adjusted your estimations. Besides, racism is a subjective term anyway. Which isn't to say that there aren't cases that everyone can agree on, but rather that as a subjective concept, your own personal world is always exactly as racist (or whatever) as you think it is. Read some Jean-Paul Sartre; he explained it better than I can, and in French too. And last but not least, Dave B.sez: >Jim Writes: >>Yeah, just like Rupert Murdoch! Yo! Who's "Jim"? John H. Hedges III, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:24:42 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Who wants to be an Eballovertheworldaire? JH (same birthday as me - BTW what year?) writes: >And surely Eb couldn't pass up this Matt S. gem: > > >I merely meant that if you (or your monkey) found that the world > >was more racist than you had originally thought, the world would > >stop being more racist than you thought because, in finding that > >the world was more racist, you'd then know pretty much exactly > >how racist the world was - ie. the world would then be as racist > >as you thought... > >If you found out the world was "more" racist, you still wouldn't >necessarily know *exactly* how racist it was, would you? It >could be even more racist than the degree to which you'd just >adjusted your estimations. Besides, racism is a subjective term >anyway. Which isn't to say that there aren't cases that everyone >can agree on, but rather that as a subjective concept, your own >personal world is always exactly as racist (or whatever) as you >think it is. Read some Jean-Paul Sartre; he explained it better >than I can, and in French too. Yes, thanks... This occurred to me while I wrote it, but couldn't resist further facetiousness - I was kinda driving at the point that measuring the subjective against the objective is folly (of which I was guilty in my original, rather dour posting) - do please excuse a moment of whimsy! I guess I can only reiterate the fact that my postings don't bear too close an analysis... Scratching my beard and nodding sagely, Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:31:50 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Who wants to be an Eballovertheworldaire? Yes, where the FUCK is Eb?!?!?! What's this about a new Sugarplastic album? Oh, and I don't care what any of you say, the new Oasis album is the tops. - -l p.s., nice pictures, Tom! But you chopped down that lovely orange tree? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Well it's a dog's life in a rope leash or a diamond collar" --Elvis Costello ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:58:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Who wants to be an Eballovertheworldaire? On 5/15/2000 9:31 AM, lj lindhurst wrote: >p.s., nice pictures, Tom! But you chopped down that lovely orange tree? Two, actually. But we kept the one behind the garage. Pulled out the fig also. We're putting in a couple of dogwoods, a pear tree, some birches, and I think some japanese maples. Can't wait for you and Allen P. Ruch to visit! On another note, why haven't we heard from Randi all weekend? Could it be she's having TOO MUCH FUN? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:42:19 +0100 From: "Pamplemousse" Subject: Re: YLT + Robyn, Glasgow, 13/5/2000 Me being too clever for my own good then :) There was a review of YLT in Dublin in today's times, no mention of Robyn. Was he there, anyone? - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:28:25 PDT From: "Repent!, Inc." Subject: all over the world <--You have to remember this was written in 1978-79 - --US President Carter, Israeli Prime Minister Began - --and Egyptian President Sadat's meetings to find - --peace in the Middle East were big news. - --Brezhnev in the Soviet Union, Castro in Cuba, - --and Mao Tse Teng in China, were not interested in peace, anywhere.> and history has indeed shewn that the inhabitants of the region have known only peace and prosperity since camp david. ergo, it's all too clear that carter, begin, and sadat were "interested" only in "peace". provably false: eb's rectum has no minuses -- only plusses. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:34:44 PDT From: "Repent!, Inc." Subject: from What I don't like.. 1. Rich, Silicon Valley .com people that pretend to be poor because it is "cool". 2. Freaks from Oracle that try to censor web sites. 3. Hippies (and all other lazy people that want things handed to them) 4. Bible Thumpers (and the entire right wing) 5. Misers (a.k.a. cheap bastards--are you going to die with all that money?) 6. Politically Correctness (the extreme left wing, so far left--they've gone right) 7. Loser Vendors (contractors, landscapers, and any other con artist profession) 8. Losers that bother to write you an email to complain about your website, and actually think you give a fuck. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:31:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: from Dontcha just want to slap this motherfucker silly? We were talking a while ago about how everyone in LA is an Entertainment Industry Asshole (even Eb! ;^)). Well, this is the kind of shit you live with in Silicon Valley. Granted, there are tons of folks who are just struggling to get by, and tons of folks who hit it big but are still quite humble. But egos like Rob's here are just so pathetically ubiquitous that they just smother everyone else. I gotta go, I'm gonna go over to Building 3 and punch someone in Marketing. But first: What I don't like... 1. Rich, Silicon Valley .com people that have no guilt or pretense about being outrageously wealthy. 2. Idiots from Exodus who think they've built the premier network, when they actually just run CAT5 cable. 3. People with no sense of philanthropy. 4. Bible Thumpers (and the entire right wing) 5. Gluttons (are you going to give any of that money to people who need it?) 6. Spelling Incorrectness. 7. Executive Conmen (VP's, sales execs, etc. who are just out to fuck the other guy) 8. Losers that bother to create a website solely about themselves and all the shit they have. On 5/15/2000 2:34 PM, Repent!, Inc. wrote: >What I don't like.. > >1. Rich, Silicon Valley .com people that pretend to be poor because it is >"cool". > >2. Freaks from Oracle that try to censor web sites. > >3. Hippies (and all other lazy people that want things handed to them) > >4. Bible Thumpers (and the entire right wing) > >5. Misers (a.k.a. cheap bastards--are you going to die with all that money?) > >6. Politically Correctness (the extreme left wing, so far left--they've gone >right) > >7. Loser Vendors (contractors, landscapers, and any other con artist >profession) > >8. Losers that bother to write you an email to complain about your website, >and actually think you give a fuck. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:28:52 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Who wants to be a Sugarplasticaire? lj lindhurst: >What's this about a new Sugarplastic album? Via John Relph: The new Sugarplastic record, Resin, is now available by mail order for those on the list who are not in the Los Angeles area. The cost of the record is $13 plus $3 shipping ($16) and will be shipped U.S. Mail. California residents add $1 ($17). Make cashiers checks or money orders out to: Escape Artist Recordings. Personal checks will take 3 weeks to clear. Mail to: Escape Artist Recordings, 7048 Mammoth Ave. Van Nuys, Ca. 91405. If you would like to purchase by credit card, Aron's Records in Hollywood does mail order through their website (www.aronsrecords.com) and accepts all major credit cards. The Sugarplastic are mentioned in a song about Minty Fresh records on the album Stars Forever by Momus. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #125 *******************************