From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #119 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 9 2000 Volume 09 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: eb all over hades [mrrunion@palmnet.net] traffic [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: traffic [Vivien Lyon ] The future of my store (Discover Music) [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: traffic [Capuchin ] Re: traffic ["J. Brown" ] Re: traffic [Tom Clark ] Re: traffic [Capuchin ] Re: traffic [Jason Thornton ] Re: traffic [Christopher Gross ] you know who REALLY would have hated to have to speak English while driving? [Bayard ] Re: traffic [Capuchin ] Re: traffic [Capuchin ] The Long Hand of Godwin's Law ["JH3" ] Re: traffic [Terrence Marks ] Re: traffic [Terrence Marks ] Re: traffic (plus unrelated stuff) [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:16:27 -0700 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: RE: eb all over hades Eddie bubbled: "i'll tell ya, i can't recall it ever having rained so hard in the month of may than it is doing right now." Send some of it our way! The entire state of Florida is so dry we'll be having friction-abatement classes soon. Drive by Wet'n'Wild and you can hear the continuous cringing squeak of flesh against plastic as the sunburned Brits take to the water slides. Several thousand people are hideously trapped in canoes, unable to paddle through the cracked mud to make it to shore. The whirring sound of dry sprinker pumps is throwing all the stray felines into heat. Summer of '98 all over again...oh, the horror... Mike KEN "Tasting much sweeter than wine" THE KENSTER ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:48:25 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: traffic I am a whiney capitalist stooge- Now please pay me. I've often thought some of the transportation problem in California could be relieved by simply enforcing the law. People should be required to have a valid drivers license if they want to drive. And since driving is a privlege, I think English should be mandatory if someone is to posess anything more than a temporary permit. As a privlege, we should all be required to be able to communicate with those who enforce the laws. We should all be able to communicate at the scene of an accident. Driving is NOT a right, and I think only English speaking citizens who have obtained the necessary license should be allowed to have a permanent license. That alone would solve some of LA's congestion. As for carpooling, I couldn't do it. I never know what time I'm going to get off work, and I use my vehicle to make deliveries to Fed Ex. I often work up to the last moment that FedEx takes packages. I don't think my clients would be too understanding of me missing a deadline because I couldn't ride my bike fast enough to the airport FedEx in the blazing summer heat of Arizona. Good for some of the do-gooders of the world for car-pooling. Bottom line is, just because someone has a schedule that allows them to carpool or use public transportation, certainly doesn't mean the next guy has that luxury. Besides that, I used to live near Watts, and there is no way in hell I'd use public transportation in hoods like that. Signed I'll say anything you want me to if you're going to pay me Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: traffic - --- BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > Signed I'll say anything you want me to if you're going to pay > me I'll pay you a buck to say "I'm a racist ignoramus." Better yet, I'll pay you twenty bucks to say "I apologize for the stupid things I say; however, I beg you to bear in mind that I am a racist ignoramus and will continue to embarrass myself and annoy others without the slightest glimmer of self-awareness." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:33:41 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: The future of my store (Discover Music) Eddie's FegDream (which was hilarious!) got me thinking he must be strangely attuned to the wavelengths of the FegConscious. Unfortunately, neither Michael Wolfe (nor anyone else) has stepped forward with the kind of capital required to save a failing business. I hate to use any word associated with the word "fail," because I don't at all consider what Discover Music a "failure." On the other hand, business has never really *quite* reached the level we would need in order for Discover Music to be viable in the long run. Liz (my wife) and I realized that this was probably the case last fall, but figured we'd stick it out for a while longer and see what happened. Well, as has almost always been the case, business remained okay . . . but not good enough. So, about a month ago, I decided to throw in the towel. It's been incredible having this store, but the day-to-day burden of worrying about paying bills took its toll. I decided it was less fun to be always looking for ways to cut corners than it was to sell CDs to people. So, we've set a closing date for July 15, 2000. After that, Discover Music will pretty much be no more (although I do still intend to sell what I can of our used stock online, through GEMM, from out of the garage :-)). I feel a pretty wide range of mixed emotions about the whole thing, of course. I'm sad to see it end, but I'm happy to've done it. I'm both nervous and excited about what the future may hold. And, no, I don't know what I'll be doing next. I think I'd like to stay within a music-related industry. I'm hoping I can convince a recording studio owner that I would be an asset as an assistant of some kind (McDonald's runs for the band! ;-)). That'd be cool. Other possibilities might include working for a local label or a distributor. But who knows!! :-) Apologies to all local fegs with whom I have not yet shared this information (well, we all had dinner just last night . . . but I didn't wanna bum out the whole pizza-eating experience). We've been gradually letting people know about this, but have sort of wanted to keep it under our hats. The cat is still not officially out of the bag (as far as the majority of my customers are concerned), but the circle of people with whom I'm sharing the news is gradually widening. Anyway . . . I want to thank everyone who's been supportive of Discover Music over the last couple of years. Sorry for the bad news, but I knew a decent number of you would be curious to know about this, so I figured I'd share it with the whole list. Besides, I love you all!!! - ------Michael K., now reloading the Meat Puppets trap ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: traffic On Tue, 9 May 2000 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > I've often thought some of the transportation problem in California > could be relieved by simply enforcing the law. People should be > required to have a valid drivers license if they want to drive. This is a problem nation wide. It's too easy to get a "working license" that allows you to drive regardless of your legal driving status simply because it's how you get to work. The REAL problem is the idea the whole idea that driving is a reasonable way to get around... or, more to the point, that driving isn't massively destructive and wasteful. > And since driving is a privlege, I think English should be mandatory > if someone is to posess anything more than a temporary permit. What the fuck planet do you live on? This is the United States of America. Remember, this country has no official language. Federal business is conducted by default in english, but translation is available upon request. Every attempt (especially in California) to enact language specific legislation has been overturned in the courts quite soundly. The idea that non-english speaking people are somehow not American nor entitled to opportunity and priviledge is ignorant, racist and just plain unworkable. Understand that in my city (hundreds of miles from even the most northern bit of California), there are enormous spanish and russian speaking populations. The overwhelming majority of those people are natural born or naturalized citizens of the United States and the percentage is growing. > As a privlege, we should all be required to be able to communicate > with those who enforce the laws. We should all be able to > communicate at the scene of an accident. This is a requirement that needs to be met by law enforcement, not by the general public. If the police decided to speak Ntumbe (which is their legal right), would we all lose our licenses? > Driving is NOT a right, and I think only English speaking citizens > who have obtained the necessary license should be allowed to have a > permanent license. A priviledge is an acquired right. You have the right to a driver's license if you meet the minimum requirements. You do NOT have a RIGHT to drive. You are simply licensed and your ability is legally recognized. > That alone would solve some of LA's congestion. You have no idea. The congestion in LA is caused by millions of bloated white people who take their cars EVERYWHERE and always drive separately because they "may have to do something later." Most importantly, LA is congested because the people there give shit only for themselves and the entertainment industry. > As for carpooling, I couldn't do it. I never know what time I'm > going to get off work, and I use my vehicle to make deliveries to > Fed Ex. I often work up to the last moment that FedEx takes > packages. I don't think my clients would be too understanding of me > missing a deadline because I couldn't ride my bike fast enough to > the airport FedEx in the blazing summer heat of Arizona. That's why SonicAir exists. And you can only blame yourself for this. You've put yourself in a position that you simply would not have if you didn't think that driving was an OK, normal thing to do. > Good for some of the do-gooders of the world for car-pooling. > Bottom line is, just because someone has a schedule that allows them > to carpool or use public transportation, certainly doesn't mean the > next guy has that luxury. Driving is the luxury. Public transit is something of a luxury. Most people walk or ride a bicycle everywhere they go. People who drive are taking the easy way out at the expense of everyone else in the world. > Besides that, I used to live near Watts, and there is no way in hell > I'd use public transportation in hoods like that. And THAT is why the traffic is so congested... because uptight white people are afraid of interacting with the poor. It's self-centering to its logical extreme. > Signed I'll say anything you want me to if you're going to pay me Then why would anyone trust you? J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: traffic On Tue, 9 May 2000 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > I am a whiney capitalist stooge- Now please pay me. > > I've often thought some of the transportation problem in California could be > relieved by simply enforcing the law. People should be required to have a > valid drivers license if they want to drive. And since driving is a > privlege, I think English should be mandatory if someone is to posess > anything more than a temporary permit. What a blantantly rascist statement! English is not the official language of the US nor should it be! > As a privlege, we should all be required to be able to communicate with those > who enforce the laws. We should all be able to communicate at the scene of > an accident. Driving is NOT a right, and I think only English speaking > citizens who have obtained the necessary license should be allowed to have a > permanent license. > That alone would solve some of LA's congestion. are you kidding? LA's congestion has nothing to do with unlicensed or non english speaking drivers. It has every thing to do with the culture of the car. People in LA, and most of the western US, love their cars and see them as an extension of themselves. > As for carpooling, I couldn't do it. I never know what time I'm going to get > off work, and I use my vehicle to make deliveries to Fed Ex. I often work up > to the last moment that FedEx takes packages. I don't think my clients would > be too understanding of me missing a deadline because I couldn't ride my bike > fast enough to the airport FedEx in the blazing summer heat of Arizona. why doesnt your employer have a company vechicle? I have to drive frequently in my job but i dont have to own a car. thats a bogus arguement. > Good for some of the do-gooders of the world for car-pooling. Bottom line > is, just because someone has a schedule that allows them to carpool or use > public transportation, certainly doesn't mean the next guy has that luxury. well with that attitude i hope you at least support public transit in all its forms just so you'll have the road to your self. > Besides that, I used to live near Watts, and there is no way in hell I'd use > public transportation in hoods like that. Why? Because there may be some black people or maybe some poor smelly folks? This is the kind of attitude that causes public transit to be so whoafully underused out west. "The Bus is for losers" Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I was an I now I am a V" -John Linnell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:47:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: traffic On 5/9/2000 2:32 PM, Capuchin wrote: >The congestion in LA is caused by millions of bloated white people who >take their cars EVERYWHERE and always drive separately because they "may >have to do something later." > Sorry, but that's a racist comment right there. Besides, I'd venture to guess there are more non-whites driving around LA than whites. >Most importantly, LA is congested because the people there give shit >only for themselves and the entertainment industry. OK, now THIS I'll agree with. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: traffic > On 5/9/2000 2:32 PM, Capuchin wrote: > >The congestion in LA is caused by millions of bloated white people who > >take their cars EVERYWHERE and always drive separately because they "may > >have to do something later." On Tue, 9 May 2000, Tom Clark wrote: > Sorry, but that's a racist comment right there. Besides, I'd venture to > guess there are more non-whites driving around LA than whites. Oh, I know. I was being reactionary and havin' some fun. But it certainly was depicted that way in L.A. Story (annoying smiley thing). Um... I'm not sure what the population breakdown is in LA as far as ethnicity goes, but you very well could be right. > >Most importantly, LA is congested because the people there give shit > >only for themselves and the entertainment industry. > OK, now THIS I'll agree with. Phew. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:54:58 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: traffic At 02:32 PM 5/9/00 -0700, Capuchin wrote: >This is the United States of >America. Remember, this country has no official language. *IF* the United States *were* to have an official language, it should probably be a "Native" American language, like say Sioux. >The congestion in LA is caused by millions of bloated white people who >take their cars EVERYWHERE and always drive separately because they "may >have to do something later." This isn't completely true. A good proportion of the white people in LA who take their cars everywhere are actually quite fit. The problem is only compounded by the number of selfish single drivers who commute around town in incredibly resource wasteful SUVs. >Most importantly, LA is congested because the people there give shit >only for themselves and the entertainment industry. OK, now this comment is just about as silly as Blatzman's. Enough with the LA-bashing already... - --Jason "Metallica were the GOOD guys" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:09:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: traffic Why do so many people leap to the conclusion that wanting all drivers to speak English is racist? Unnecessary and impractical, sure; but racist? Not necessarily. Socrates is a man, but not all men are Socrates; Fegs like music, but not all music-lovers are Fegs; racists might want to make English proficiency a requirement for drivers' licenses, but not all who want to make English proficiency a requirement for drivers' licenses are racist. (If anyone out there thinks they can prove that English language requirements are definitely and invariably racist, please give it a shot.) IMHO you shouldn't accuse someone of racism, which is a pretty serious accusation, without more positive evidence. And the cause of opposing racism is NOT well served by lightly tossing around accusations, for obvious boy-crying-wolf reasons. Got it? Good. This sermon brought to you by Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: you know who REALLY would have hated to have to speak English while driving? Hitler! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:35:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Marionettes du Meaty Repent! Inc. wrote: >dreamed that michael keefe had hired michael wolfe to work at >the record store; and then after some time michael wolfe had >bought in, becoming a full partner. This isn't even funny. I've day-dreamed about this. >while i was down there visiting/hanging out, they were busy >constructing a device to ensnare the meat puppets. <
> Hey! Yeah! Michael, lets get down to it! Let's snag us some Meat Puppets! Very clever design, Eddie. - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: traffic On Tue, 9 May 2000, Christopher Gross wrote: > Why do so many people leap to the conclusion that wanting all > drivers to speak English is racist? Unnecessary and impractical, > sure; but racist? Not necessarily. Socrates is a man, but not all > men are Socrates; Fegs like music, but not all music-lovers are > Fegs; racists might want to make English proficiency a requirement > for drivers' licenses, but not all who want to make English > proficiency a requirement for drivers' licenses are racist. This is, of course, completely true. But I don't think it's what I meant to say. The policy is effectively racist. It has the effect of a racially discriminating policy. > (If anyone out there thinks they can prove that English language > requirements are definitely and invariably racist, please give it a > shot.) And certainly it's not invariably racist, because it's using a secondary racial trait. It's used in place of an actual, invariable racist policy because those are illegal and easy to spot. > IMHO you shouldn't accuse someone of racism, which is a pretty > serious accusation, without more positive evidence. And the cause > of opposing racism is NOT well served by lightly tossing around > accusations, for obvious boy-crying-wolf reasons. Got it? Good. Um... I don't think I actually called anyone racist, but I do think that the policy, because of its largely race dividing restrictions, can be called racist. Now, if the policy were to make a required language of esperanto, interlingua, klingon or the Elvish High Tongue, that might be different... seeing that it's nobody's native language and doesn't carry any racial overhead. > This sermon brought to you by Chris It's welcome, Chris. I welcome it, anyway. Even if I'm still wrong, J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: traffic On Tue, 9 May 2000, Jason Thornton wrote: > *IF* the United States *were* to have an official language, it should > probably be a "Native" American language, like say Sioux. Yet, in reality, it very well could have been german... and it was partly the debate between german and english as the official language that lead to the more open policy. > >The congestion in LA is caused by millions of bloated white people who > >take their cars EVERYWHERE and always drive separately because they "may > >have to do something later." > This isn't completely true. A good proportion of the white people in LA > who take their cars everywhere are actually quite fit. That's absolutely true. So I have to take back both the "bloated" and "white" portions of that statement. I think it still holds. > The problem is only compounded by the number of selfish single drivers who > commute around town in incredibly resource wasteful SUVs. There really aught to be a restriction on single-person non-commercial vehicles. I think we could all agree on that one. > >Most importantly, LA is congested because the people there give shit > >only for themselves and the entertainment industry. > OK, now this comment is just about as silly as Blatzman's. Enough with the > LA-bashing already... Jason, you can't deny that most of the culture in LA revolves around the entertainment industry and it is, for many, a singular measure of a man. A great majority of the people I've met in LA (and all of the people I've met that are from LA and happy staying there) appear to think only of themselves and the entertainment industry. > --Jason "Metallica were the GOOD guys" Thornton This had better be a joke. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:26:06 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: The Long Hand of Godwin's Law From: Bayard Subject: you know who REALLY would have hated to have to speak English while driving? >Hitler! On the contrary! According to several recently-published memoirs, one of Hitler's favorite leisure-time activities was to drive around Berlin in his 12-cylinder Deusenberg saloon car, screaming in perfect English "Fuck all you blond-haired German bastards! Dark-haired Austrians with stupid-looking mustaches RULE!" and "I just read an entire Evelyn Waugh novel! Take THAT, you bourgeois bratwurst-eating fools!" at the top of his lungs, all the while laughing hysterically at the fact that hardly anyone in Germany could understand him. Of course, he was no doubt a very complex individual. John "if they could do Hitler jokes on Hogan's Heroes, why not now" Hedges PS. Sorry if I offended any German folks; the people living within a 50-mile radius of my house probably eat more bratwurst than the entire population of Europe, now that I think about it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:59:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: traffic On Tue, 9 May 2000, J. Brown wrote: > What a blantantly rascist statement! English is not the official > language of the US nor should it be! Nothing racist about it. That'd give the same disadvantage to any person - -- white, black, asian, indian, or other -- who didn't speak English. Not all of the whitefolk on the planet happen to, you know. Not all of the whitefolk in the country do, either. It's discriminatory (against non-Anglophones) but not racist. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: traffic On Tue, 9 May 2000, Capuchin wrote: > Yet, in reality, it very well could have been german... and it was > partly the debate between german and english as the official language > that lead to the more open policy. Patently false. http://www.snopes.com/spoons/fracture/german.htm Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: traffic (plus unrelated stuff) On Tue, 9 May 2000, Capuchin wrote: > > *IF* the United States *were* to have an official language, it should > > probably be a "Native" American language, like say Sioux. > > Yet, in reality, it very well could have been german... and it was > partly the debate between german and english as the official language > that lead to the more open policy. I'm afraid this is just an urban legend. See: > > The problem is only compounded by the number of selfish single drivers who > > commute around town in incredibly resource wasteful SUVs. > > There really aught to be a restriction on single-person non-commercial > vehicles. I think we could all agree on that one. Almost but, in my case, not quite (unless you're talking specifically about LA). Simply restricting them will only work for a year or two, until all the pissed off motorists unite to vote the Libertarians into office to end not only the ban, but all environmental legislation they can get their hands on. I'm afraid what we really need is a long, slow, difficult process of building up public transport while encouraging new development to be more friendly for public transit, bikes and pedestrians, at the same time gradually ramping up the cost of driving, matching the increases to increases in public transport. And because we're never going to eliminate the personal car entirely, we also need to do everything possible to encourage the development of less environmentally harmful cars. You can't ban something deeply engrained in many people's lives without providing them with an alternative. Whoops, another sermon.... Too late for the "great album titles" thread, I recently saw a review of Mary Lou Fallis' _Primadonna On a Moose_, a collection of early Canadian popular music. Sort of a Feg dream, insofar as it involves one Feg: recently I dreamed that Bayard was secretly a Christian minister, with his own church and a devoted congregation. (They seemed to be a sort of happy, relaxed, liberal church, like a bunch of Unitarians on Prozac. The church building was a New England-style white clapboard building with a steeple.) He just hadn't told us all because he was too modest. When I discovered Bayard's church, he had some rare Porcupine Tree on the stereo in his church office; while I was there, a song about ancient Egypt played. I had one other Feg dream about a year and a half ago. I dreamed that I attended a big Feg gathering, not unlike the Quail's Feg Hootenanny. Fegs from all over North America were there. It was held at a cheap motel, one of those two-story jobs in a U shape with a pool in the middle. It was a nice, sunny, breezy day, and lot of Fegs were flying kites, which they tied to the railing around the pool. I got really drunk, staggered against the pool railing, and accidentally broke the string to Mark Gloster's kite, which flew away out of sight. He was really nice about it, but I could tell deep down inside he was pissed off. Sorry, Mark! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:14:50 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: carz and iggnorants Hey Blatzman, I hope there isn't a spelling test at the site of your next automobile axe-ee-dent. Have a listen to Devil's Radio. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: traffic On Tue, 9 May 2000, Terrence Marks wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2000, J. Brown wrote: > > > What a blantantly rascist statement! English is not the official > > language of the US nor should it be! > > Nothing racist about it. That'd give the same disadvantage to any person > -- white, black, asian, indian, or other -- who didn't speak English. Not > all of the whitefolk on the planet happen to, you know. Not all of the > whitefolk in the country do, either. It's discriminatory (against > non-Anglophones) but not racist. Terrence, While i agree with what you are saying, my response was in reference to a comment specificaly about Southern California. And when the issue of an official language is invoked in that context there always some element of racism towards the large Hispanic community of that region. Language requirements are often used to discriminate racially. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA USA BA History '99 - BA Canadian Studies '99 - MLIS Library Science '01 "I was an I now I am a V" -John Linnell ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #119 *******************************