From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #117 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, May 8 2000 Volume 09 : Number 117 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: freedom to make a buck [overbury@cn.ca] nick harper [fartachu ] (No Subject) ["twofangs..aka..randi " ] See y'all later... [Doc ] one man's "wacky" is another man's "*impassioned*" ["Repent!, Inc." ] Re: freedom to think of wacky subject lines all over the world [Jeff Dwar] RE: portable minidisc recorder advice? (0 RH) [Larry Tucker Subject: nick harper just looking at nick harper's website and noticed that his forthcoming album, with the silly title _harperspace_, was mixed by andy metcalfe. nick, of course, is roy harper's son, and just as good a songwriter and guitarist as dad. woj n.p. jazz butcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:15:15 -0400 From: "twofangs..aka..randi " Subject: (No Subject) Eddie, remember, I called *shotgun!* :} Today, Sunday May 7th, something wonderful happened to me. Donna, Sharkboy's beautiful partner, gave me a cd to listen to for my tummy was sad. "Delta Sleep System" - Dr. Jeffery Thompson is a G-d. I have never woken up from a *Crohn's nap* and felt so good! Love to Donna!!!!!! More later .... Dinner awaits :} fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *I feel the fear and I know I'm alive* ~ neil finn *acting steady always ready to defend your fears* ~ aimee mann *what I believe ain't always what I feel* ~ michael penn ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Doc Subject: See y'all later... Hey all, I'm outta here for awhile. Starting a new gig, and building my first guitar (Les Paul Jr-1960 model) is going to take some time. I need to devote all of my attention to that. Look after yerselves... - -Doc ===== "I have been a member of the Committe of the MCC and of a Conservative cabinet, and by comparason with the cricketers, the Torries seem like a bunch of Commies." -Viscount Mockton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:14:05 PDT From: "Repent!, Inc." Subject: one man's "wacky" is another man's "*impassioned*" well, it was directed at the cars. i thought it was funny. but then, i think hedges is a very funny guy -- and this was quintessential hedges. i didn't, of course. neither jeme, john, or myself ever blamed the latter. nor did we ever imply any such thing. in point of fact, i've said the precise opposite -- on this very list -- more times than i'd care to count. that, in other words, it's the *system* that's killing us. and that we *all* compromise our ideals, and that nobody is in a position to judge others for doing so, *especially* if those others have families to feed. again, more times than i'd care to count. but does that mean we should *celebrate* admobiles (and the like)? or even that we should accept them? "lie back and enjoy it", 'cause "there is no alternative", in bobby knight's and maggie thatcher's words? no, it does not. the united states is far the wealthiest country in history. one that could *easily* provide an excellent standard of living for all of its inhabitants. yet it has the worst social health indices in the industrialised world. we're all reduced to whoring our ability to labor, and indeed our very *selves*, to survive. we do it because otherwise we'd die. but we DESERVE more, and we should DEMAND more. nation-states (especially this one) are not in the charity business. the only rights we'll ever receive are those we fight for. while i think jeme's assertion that people with integrity could easily prevent the further commodification of our lives is more than a tad naive, he NEVER said that a person would only for lack of integrity choose to take advantage of such a miserable loophole. nor could he in good conscience do so. (yes, i think i know jeme well enough to make such a statement.) billboards are probably more omnipresent/difficult to escape. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:30:55 +1200 (NZST) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #116 Beloved Randi did dit: >Mark and his lovely wife Donne and a friend of theirs took a walk around >the neighbourhood, a wonderful cat petting route which included views of >the ocean. > >Moi, who has never seen such fierceness & beauty entwined, was suitably >enchanted. you talking about the sea, or the cats? J. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:52:37 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: freedom to think of wacky subject lines all over the world "J. Katherine Rossner" wrote: > > the people so desperate to make a few extra bucks that they're > reduced to shilling via their cars. How can you be desperate and be able to have a car, a luxury item? I can't afford to run one. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 01:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: freedom to think of wacky subject lines all over the world On Sun, 7 May 2000, J. Katherine Rossner wrote: > Look, folks (especially Capuchin and eddie): Revolting as the > various forms of advertising under discussion might be, it's not a > question of integrity. I disagree. There is an old saying "nobody needs morality when there isn't enough to eat" or something like that. While I don't disagree with the statement, I disagree with its applicability here. > For some people it might be a question of survival. At the very > least, it's going to be about making life marginally more possible. Survival in our absurdly affluent society is almost guaranteed. I grew up extremely poor and most of my family continues to live that way and never once was "survival" an issue. > Because, you know, most of those willing to be an outdoor billboard > for some awful corporation for $400/month (and driving enough to > make the corporations feel they're getting their money's worth) > aren't college students looking for extra beer-and-music money; > they're commuters who are trying to earn a living, maybe working > several jobs because they've got families. AND college students looking for extra beer-and-music money AND soulless money-grubbers who will do anything that means less work to pad their pocket books. This is not a social program to help out the underpaid and overworked. This is a thing some corporations have determined as the next step in overrunning our personal lives with their logos, names and mostly useless products that their market research shows people are willing to accept. It's the next inch they take that used to belong to personal expression and independent action. If it becomes acceptable because "hey, I know a poor woman that wouldn't be able to get by without it", then it will be acceptable period. We need to make it clear that, regardless of short term benefit to some, it is not acceptable. > Two years ago, I was driving 3-7 hours a day (3-5 commute, and often > driving around San Jose during the work day) on Bay Area freeways, > to earn my $1600/month. > I was lucky; I'm single and had a relatively cheap (by Berkeley > standards) apartment, no family to support (or to come home to, so > that I could spend 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. at work and on the road without > inconveniencing anybody but myself), a fairly new car with no > mechanical problems, etc. Without inconveniencing anybody but yourself? What about every other driver on the road that had to spend an hour or two getting into or out of the city because of your arrogant commute? If you'd taken public transit, or moved into a smaller apartment and bought a bike and didn't hold to this self-absorbed idea that you need your own car to get to and from your little job every day (and generally other people realized the same error in their ways), legitimate drivers could get in and out of the city easily. And you wouldn't waste so much of your time, your money, and our natural resources to haul your butt from Berkeley to San Jose every day. > Given my driving schedule etc., maybe I'd have been one of the folks > eligible to turn my car into a billboard--I was *lucky*, and > probably wouldn't have been tempted. If I'd been a single mother, > say, of two kids, working at that same job, and that $400 meant the > difference between quality daycare while I was away and leaving the > kids with a babysitter? Or if some deal like this "mycar" business > meant I could drive a working vehicle that didn't break down and > require expensive repairs? Yeah, I'd probably have done it. And > anybody who sneers at that is engaging in some really sickening > elitist bullshit. Let's say you've got "a fairly new car with no mechanical problems". So you're probably making some kind of payments on it. Plus gas, insurance, maintenance, possibly parking... you're spending at least the $400/month you'd get by tainting every landscape you drive upon with uninvited solicitations. > >Are the 20 year old pickup trucks electric? And can the electrodes > >shock the shit out of the drivers of the admobiles? > Great. So all the anticapitalist rhetoric leads to further victimizing the > folks who can't afford to maintain *your* high-minded ideals? It's the > corporations who are the enemy, not those poor drivers. I absolutely blame the drivers, regardless of what eddie says. Corporations are just looking to get their name out. They've got money and they're open to suggestions. Somebody says "hey, how about You (corporation) give me money to redistribute to folks that will put your logo on their [car|body|dog|mother]?" Corporation says "Sure, sounds good. I give up some of my copious cash and you get my name out more." So far it's just a POTENTIALLY stupid. It isn't until people actually TAKE the money and DISPLAY the logo WITHOUT APOLOGY, SHAME, or GUILT that this becomes monsterous. If nobody signs up for your death cult, you're just a weirdo. If a thousand people sign up, you're a monster. > Here I'd been thinking that the political rants meant actual > concern. Oh well. If the only way you can find to make enough money to feed your poor single-mommed family of nine is by pouring toxic chemicals into the sky, then I would rather you were stopped and your family went unfed. That is all. I'm tired and will probably have to clarify much of this later when it becomes necessary. consider that a real disclaimer. I may not have made much sense at all above. But that doesn't mean I don't stand behind what I said. Just that I reserve the right to clarify to the point of seeming contradiction at a later date. Whee. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 01:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: freedom to make a buck Freedom to make a buck at the expense of whom? That's the question we're somehow missing. On Sun, 7 May 2000 overbury@cn.ca wrote: > I'm too busy today to present some carefully-constructed bulletproof > argument on Katherine's side (although she's doing fine, in my > opinion), but not too busy to add one of my usual cheap shots. Actually, I think you bring up a VERY important point. > I don't see the difference between a car plastered with ads and a > billboard or somebody wearing a sandwich board. So what? The difference is that one is active and the other is passive. A person with a sandwich board has a job to do in spreading a word. A person with a sign adhered to their car while they drive it about town on personal business is doing nothing but letting the world know that the space they occupy is a commodity for sale to the highest bidder. Personal space is not a commodity. Neither is my line of sight. Also consider this: Advertising can and should be banned in some zones (municipal spaces, etc.). What happens when personal items become paid advertising? And then where is the line drawn? It's easy to turn away a solicitor with a sandwich board, but how do you turn away otherwise legitimate traffic that is a passive advertisment? > Does anybody arguing against car billboards own a piece of clothing > with a logo on it? Which is worse? And here's your SUPER point, Ross. The logo clothing is MUCH worse! This isn't even a matter of an advertiser buying what should be personal space. This is individuals PAYING THE ADVERTISER to carry the logo for no remuneration whatsoever. Logoclothes were the first step. They were the inch corporations were given that have allowed them to request the mile that is autowrap, tattoos, and the rest. I wear the following logoclothes: 1: Several Robyn Hitchcock shirts. Sometimes these are worn as an active, voluntary method of advertising. They were purchased mostly for the support of Robyn as a kind of repayment for what he's given me. 2: Two identical T-shirts carrying my employer's logo and a nifty picture. Also, sometimes worn as active, voluntary advertising. I believe very strongly in the company and most of its practices. I believe they (with my help) are doing "the right thing" and have "the right idea" in most respects. Also, I have personal interest in their success. 3: One Copyleft T-shirt w/ the GNU General Public License printed on the back. This is ALWAYS worn as active, voluntary advertising. I bought this shirt to support the FSF monetarily and to display solidarity. 4: A McMenamin's Kennedy School (pub/b&b) T-shirt. This was a gift from a former client. I support the company still and it's a really neat logo. I do not purchase clothing with prominent, unremovable logos. I remove all logos and labels visible during normal use of any garment I buy immediately and before the garment is ever worn. The one exception here is my shoes. I have two pair of black leather shoes with the name and logo of the manufacturer embossed on the leather. However, there is no color associated with the embossing and as the shoes are black, the shadows do much to hide the logo. I would say that you generally cannot tell any such logo exists. Right now I'm looking into buying some reasonable sneakers to wear to the gym. The logo requirement is making this task nearly impossible. It would seem that athletic apparel's only selling point is the logo it displays. You'd think if there were quality differences, people would bother to look INSIDE for the label before purchasing. If anybody has any idea about what sort of sneakers I should buy (understanding that I need something that is anatomically sound and somewhat ecologically stable... i.e. shoes that will fit and not hurt me and will last longer than eight months), let me know. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 02:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: freedom to think of wacky subject lines all over the world "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > "J. Katherine Rossner" wrote: > > the people so desperate to make a few extra bucks that they're > > reduced to shilling via their cars. > How can you be desperate and be able to have a car, a luxury item? I > can't afford to run one. you can live somewhere where public transportation is all but a joke. somewhere where there are 3 different train agencies, 4 different bus agencies, and none of them co-operate on anything if they can help it. didn't you ever see "Who framed Roger Rabbit?" did you think that was fiction (not counting the talking animated characters being real people and all). public transportation in much of the US is a somewhere between a farce and an abortion. forcing the poor to maintain cars rather than having decent public transportation is a great way to keep them down though. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:01:49 -0400 From: Larry Tucker Subject: RE: portable minidisc recorder advice? (0 RH) | -----Original Message----- | From: MARKEEFE@aol.com [mailto:MARKEEFE@aol.com] | Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 6:06 PM | To: fegmaniax@smoe.org | Subject: portable minidisc recorder advice? (0 RH) | | | I've finally decided to make the leap into recording shows! I'm | currently researching which MD recorder to get. The Sony | MZ-R90 and the Aiwa | AM-F80 are probably in the top of the running. Everything | about the Sony | sounds great except for not being able to adjust the | recording level while | recording (only in 'pause' mode). HUH?!?!? So, if I start | recording, and I | want to turn the volume down just a hair, I have to *stop* | recording in order | to do so?!?!? That seems so lame! The Aiwa sounds like a | pretty good unit | (although a little bigger -- a whole centimeter! ;-)). But | I'm wondering | about a very specific thing someone mentioned while reviewing | the Sony. They | said that it (the Sony) had no lapse time between the time | you insert a | minidisc and hit 'record' and the time the machine actually | starts recording | (whereas the Sharp MT831 has 7 seconds of warming up the | machine before it | starts recording). If you're changing MDs between songs, I'm | thinking that 7 | seconds would seem like a lifetime! | My question then is this: Does anyone know how quickly the | turnaround time | would be on the Aiwa? Does it start right up, or is there a | little warmup | time? Thanks for anyone who knows this, or who has generla | opinions on MD | recorders and using them for live shows in particular. Oh, | and mics? Any | info would be great!!! :-) | | ------Michael K. I've been "live recording" with a Aiwa AM-F70 for about a 6 months now and am real happy with it. This is the model down from the AM-F80. The size difference between it and the Sony is because the Sony is a direct side loader whereas the Aiwa uses the clam shell type loader. I really like the Aiwa because of the large backlit display, the layout of the controls/buttons and the ability to adjust the record level while recording (the backlit display helps a lot here). The disc and track titling with the jog wheel is a bit easier. The lag time between discs when making swaps, though I've never timed it, is probably about 5-7 seconds while it's writing the table of contents on the completed disc. Record startup on the new disc is immediate. But, as another poster said you can usually pick good spots to make the disc swaps. I've been quite impressed with the durability of the Aiwa. It's been dropped twice and still works fine. One time it was dropped on a hardwood floor which sprung a piece of the clam shell out of position, but I was easily able to fix it easily and it's been fine ever since. For mics I've been using the "low cost" Core Sound Binaurals www.core-sound.com These are an incredible value at $75. Very small and stealthy. Don't let their small size fool you, their sound is amazing. I clip mine on my shirt collar above the shoulders. Also something I've found that this very handy. Go to the cellular phones section in the store and get a kit to modify a phone to clip to your belt. They come with a tab that sticks to the back of your MD that will snap into a belt clip. It's also worth the money to get a sound editor such as CoolEdit. You can help compensate for too much or too little bass due to room acoustics or sound system. and you'll need this if you plan on making your own CDRs. happy recording, - -Tucker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:00:38 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: freedom to think of wacky subject lines all over the world Well, to the disappointment to many of you, I just filled out the mycar.com application, to see if I can get the cash and become a billboard. I am one of those northern california drivers, and this summer I will be doomed to drive the hwy 24 to get to my summer internship. None of the busses or Bart lines are going to be able to get me there, and since it is an unpaid internship for a non-profit, I need to make a profit somewhere. I am a student and I have not seen a paycheck in 10 months, and my last student aid check was in January, and I right now an having a hard time getting a cosigner for my next loan. This might help my ass! I'm not selling my soul - just the space on my car. Thanks for the tip on the site. I heard about them on NPR, but did not write down the URL. If they pick my car, I'll give you the scoop if it is worth it. If Robyn ever needed a billboard, there could be Robyn wraps..... He does sell product..... elenaore "Repent!, Inc." wrote: > folks who can't afford to maintain *your* high-minded ideals? It's the > corporations who are the enemy, not those poor drivers. > > Here I'd been thinking that the political rants meant actual concern. Oh > well. > > Katherine, bitterly disappointed> > > oh, give me a break. > you know as well as i do that john and jeme were joking about the trucks. > moreover, if you're saying that welfare "reform", regressive taxation, slapp > suits, union-busting, military keynesianism, not prosecuting corporate > crime, etc., etc., etc.; are fine and dandy, so long as one has the > "freedom" to make a (very) few extra bucks a month wrapping oneself in ads > (or, for example, the "freedom" to play the lottery); then *i'm* bitterly > disappointed. if you're not saying that, then your sermon is really so much > hot air. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:16:21 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: freedom to think of wacky subject lines all over the world Jeff is very correct about the state of public transportation in the US. I grew up in Detroit and you could only take the bus fron the ghetto to the other end of the ghetto. There was a second bus agency that *could* take you from the ghetto to a few of the crappy malls, but that was pretty much the limit of the lines. (and MI is very snowy and cold and not bike freindly - no bikes on the bus) I got a job in the suburbs and our family only had one car, so I had to take the bus to get there, and the bastards in the burbs voted to cut their bus taxes and stop the ghetto/mall line, since all it did was bus the poor out to the white burbs and that was inconvenient for their property values. So me and all my friends had to get our own cars as soon as we were old enough to work, so we could get to work. I am only 29 and have owned 9 cars in my life. The poor can only buy crappy cars so you buy often. But to not go on welfare you need a car to get to a crappy job. That is the reality in MI (which may be unique this way being that its infastructure was designed by Ford) I personally love the idea to get cash to do what I have to do anyway. I have ridden the bus all my life to get to work, be it in Detroit, or Berkeley now, but some jobs - cant do it. The hours are wrong and the locations are wrong. God, even now, the the busses and Bart don't run long enough. I take them everyday, but then on Sat I needed to be in the city at 7am and the Bart doesnt even start running until 8am on the weekends. as if we, the people, don't work on weekends.....Had to drive to get there on time..... eleanore Jeff Dwarf wrote: > "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > > "J. Katherine Rossner" wrote: > > > the people so desperate to make a few extra bucks that they're > > > reduced to shilling via their cars. > > How can you be desperate and be able to have a car, a luxury item? I > > can't afford to run one. > > you can live somewhere where public transportation is all but a joke. > somewhere where there are 3 different train agencies, 4 different bus > agencies, and none of them co-operate on anything if they can help it. > didn't you ever see "Who framed Roger Rabbit?" did you think that was > fiction (not counting the talking animated characters being real people > and all). public transportation in much of the US is a somewhere > between a farce and an abortion. > > forcing the poor to maintain cars rather than having decent public > transportation is a great way to keep them down though. > > ===== > "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: freedom to think of wacky subject lines all over the world On Mon, 8 May 2000, Eleanore Adams wrote: > Jeff is very correct about the state of public transportation in the > US. Speak for the towns in which you have direct experience. Public transit here is just fine. Certainly if you live in some areas, it's inconvenient, but those areas are few. And I suppose if you had to work at 4am, you'd be in some trouble. However, the important thing to remember is that it's a self-perpetuating system. Break the cycle. > That is the reality in MI (which may be unique this way being that > its infastructure was designed by Ford) Likely. > I personally love the idea to get cash to do what I have to do anyway. So which parts of your life aren't for sale? > I have ridden the bus all my life to get to work, be it in Detroit, > or Berkeley now, but some jobs - cant do it. The hours are wrong and > the locations are wrong. God, even now, the the busses and Bart > don't run long enough. I take them everyday, but then on Sat I > needed to be in the city at 7am and the Bart doesnt even start > running until 8am on the weekends. as if we, the people, don't work > on weekends.....Had to drive to get there on time..... You've ridden the bus all your life to get to work, but you've owned 9 cars? If you can take the bus every day but Saturday, you don't need a car, right? I mean, a rental is less than thirty dollars for a day. That's 120/month + bus fare. Still MUCH cheaper than a car. I suspect most people's problem with public transportation is the supposed inconvenience of living on other people's schedule. I live in Oregon and work in Washington and the people of the State of Washington have decided that they want to pay less in auto registration. So public transportation and road maintenance are being cut drastically. The bus I take to work will stop running entirely in June. So now I'm looking into taking a different bus. This one means about a mile's walk and a less coincidental schedule. I thought for a bit about buying one of those hybrid electric cars, but watching people in the opposing lanes of traffic every day (I commute opposite the majority) driving solitary in their individual cars has made me feel very uneasy about joining their ranks. You know, the number of people driving individually to and from work every day exceeds the number of people sharing any kind of ride at all about thirty-five to one. The carpool lane sits empty while thousands of people sit idle in their cars. The problem with carpool lanes, of course, is that there's only one. Personally, I think a three lane highway should have two lanes for carpool and one for individual drivers. We'd see how fast people change then. I heard on the radio that one major city was doing away with carpool lanes because "the program was a failure... and we really need to reclaim that lane". This is as wrong-headed as decreasing the auto-registration fee at the expense of public transportation. It SHOULD be expensive and difficult to own a car. Nothing in common use is more destructive to the environment and community (don't get me started on people who drive into and out of their houses, NEVER using their own front door or sidewalk). Rambling on a Monday. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #117 *******************************