From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #113 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 4 2000 Volume 09 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: inifinity guitar [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] an entire week! [lj lindhurst ] remove ["flydaddy / kevin" ] Re: Green Jello [Ken Ostrander ] Re: inifinity guitar (no Robyn) [Ben ] Re: inifinity guitar (no Robyn) [overbury@cn.ca] Re: inifinity guitar [overbury@cn.ca] Re: remove [overbury@cn.ca] ebow [dmw ] Re: remove [Eric Loehr ] Re: inifinity guitar ["Repent!, Inc." ] Re: Hi everyone [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: inifinity guitar (and beyond!) [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Kimberley & Andy in London, May 15th [Jonathan Turner ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #112 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] reap [overbury@cn.ca] Re: reap [Natalie Jacobs ] Britpop night in DC, Sat. May 6 [Christopher Gross ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #111 [DDerosa5@aol.com] Standup Hitchcock ["Russ Reynolds" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:16:07 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: inifinity guitar Jason tapped his multi-stringed touchboard and this came out: >You can get a similar Frippish, Brookesque synthesizer-like infinite >sustain sound by just using a $80-$120 device called an >Ebow: http://www.ebow.com. I purchased an EB-bow by some inexplicable error. It does seem to have infinite sustain, but it is very critical of my every mistake, oh, and those of others. I finally took out the batteries, and now I haven't heard from it since. I seem to recall it buzzing and fretting about King Crimson or KC and the Sunshine Band or something right before I unplugged it. Now I can't seem to find it, since it has been so quiet. Any sightings? All the best, - -Markg (Randi is one day away from California!) ps. We should all send Jason money for mooning John Rocker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:27:53 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: an entire week! Yes, that's right-- I've been without email or my beloved internet shopping for a WEEK while they figured out the problems with my DSL account (stoopit Bell Atlantic). But now my computer says "Wedcome to Bedadlantic" just like James Earl Jones whenever I turn it on...curious... but hi everyone, now I'm back...has anything happened? Did Eddie get arrested yet? l ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Hey Mikey, whatever happened to the fucking Duke of Earl?" --Randy Newman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:47:12 +0000 From: "flydaddy / kevin" Subject: remove remove ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:28:01 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Green Jello >> >> >> he's got my vote. (although i'm thinking nader'll probably win the >> nomination.) > >and probably should, since nader's skills and practical experience are >better suited to the job. jello's skills are probably better suited to >being press secretary. granted he's been A&R guy for AltTent, but the >actual hard grind of working with a congress, etc, is something he'd be >totally unprepared for at this point. > >incidentally, Nader is currently running third in all the major polls. >yet pat buchanan is the "third party" candidate getting all the >attention in the "liberal" press. is it me or is the mainstream press just as lame and conforming as everything else influenced by corporations? from music to politics, the almighty dollar unites all. in a recent article, there was a graphic listing gore, bush, and buchanan in a bar grid with percentage of support. deep in the article was the information that ralph nader was actually ahead of buchanan in the polls. he has gotten scant coverage anywhere and if he gets to participate in a candidate's debate i'll eat my hat. buchanan is not a threat to the establishment. nader is. i've been working with other greens in massachusetts to get ralph on the ballot for november. we only need ten thousand signatures, which is a lot better than some states. i actually had a dream with ralph in it last night. i was in some makeshift voting trailer trying to find out what green candidates where running and ralph suddenly appeared and gave me a hand. he even smiled! www.votenader.org ken "somewhere there's a fire just waiting for fuel" the kenster np neko case and her boyfriends furnace room lullaby ps saw a couple of local bands at the middle east last night: cash and the damn personals. sandwiched between was a band from detroit called the go. their album is on subpop. i couldn't figure out if they were more influenced by the stooges or mc5; but they rocked. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:55:23 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: inifinity guitar (no Robyn) You can get something equally as weird by plugging a wah-wah pedal in backwards. That is, plug your guitar into the pedal's ouput and the amp into the pedal's input. This results in the type of high-pitched screams you hear in the middle of Pink Floyd's "Echoes". Either your volume or tone knob of the guitar will change the pitch of the note, I can't remember which one. > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:35:33 -0400 > From: LDudich@ase.org > Subject: inifinity guitar > > Hey- > > I had talked to someone on the list at one point about > constructing a so-called "infinity guitar" (one that is wired > to feed back in such a way as to have infinite sustain, and thus sound like > a sythesizer). > > Robert Fripp, Brian Eno, and the Edge have built such instruments, and I > would like to create a truely ambient guitar of my own. > > If whoever I talked to about this could contact me privately, I would > greatly appreciate it. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:39:00 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: inifinity guitar (no Robyn) On 3 May 00, at 12:55, Ben wrote: > You can get something equally as weird by plugging a wah-wah pedal in > backwards. That is, plug your guitar into the pedal's ouput and the > amp into the pedal's input. This results in the type of high-pitched > screams you hear in the middle of Pink Floyd's "Echoes". Either your > volume or tone knob of the guitar will change the pitch of the note, I > can't remember which one. > Have you ever done that? I can't understand how that would work. A wah-wah is just a preamplifier with a narrow-band filter. If you turn it backwards you get the input to the wah from the amp (so you'd feed the wah-wah a bit of line noise) and you'd drive the guitar pickups with the output of the wah (low-level filtered noise). There'd be no signal path from the guitar to the amp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:52:21 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: inifinity guitar On 3 May 00, at 9:16, Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > I purchased an EB-bow by some inexplicable error. It does seem > to have infinite sustain, but it is very critical of my every > mistake, oh, and those of others. I finally took out the > batteries, and now I haven't heard from it since. I seem to > recall it buzzing and fretting about King Crimson or KC and the > Sunshine Band or something right before I unplugged it. > > Now I can't seem to find it, since it has been so quiet. > > Any sightings? I think it may have found its way to the Adirondacks. Somebody made the mistake of putting the batteries back in, and by chance I found myself holding it over a guitar. There was a whole lot of noise, and a very slow-building note sounding on one or maybe two strings of the guitar. I had to fit the 1/2 inch wide, 1/4 inch deep notch in the gizmo over the string(s) I wanted to play. The rest bumped and scraped along on the remaining strings, adding more noise. I put it back in the box after about 5 puzzling and frustrating minutes. It eats up your whole picking hand, and you are limited to one or two notes at a time. Switching back and forth from E-bow to conventional playing is as easy as switching from beer to guitar -- stop, put the damned thing down (or pick it up) and change modes. Way way too limited. People do use them, so I can't say they're useless, but nobody should buy one untried. It looks like something you'd want to leave for the studio, where you've got time for fiddling about. Anybody have any experience with the Kramer sustainer? > (Randi is one day away from California!) Travelogue! Travelogue! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:03:12 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: remove On 3 May 00, at 12:47, flydaddy / kevin wrote: > remove Not my favourite Robyn number, but good from a historical perspective as an example of his mechano-acoustic period. Although the song structure is weak, the calliope and hurdy-gurdy do blend nicely with the printing press. And that lyric -- "remove, remove, remove" pled over and over to some unseen, uncaring and poorly-understood power. There's a pathetic quality to it that makes it appeal beyond what one might expect of a piece that is born principally of inexperience and misconception. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:05:55 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: ebow if any of you dissatisfied types want to unload yours, i'd be happy to make you an offer. i know i shouldn't be bugging the list iwth this, but i had an overzealous delete key incident, in which messages i meant to save were scythed into ether by the grim data reaper. (1-800...ask for seth) - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:22:02 -0400 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: remove At 02:03 PM 5/3/00 -0400, Monsieur Ross wrote: >On 3 May 00, at 12:47, flydaddy / kevin wrote: > >> remove > >Not my favourite Robyn number, but good from a historical >perspective as an example of his mechano-acoustic period. >Although the song structure is weak, the calliope and hurdy-gurdy >do blend nicely with the printing press. And that lyric -- "remove, >remove, remove" pled over and over to some unseen, uncaring and >poorly-understood power. There's a pathetic quality to it that >makes it appeal beyond what one might expect of a piece that is >born principally of inexperience and misconception. I couldn't agree more! The truly pathetic part is that the repetitive "remove, remove, remove" appears to be some sort of incantation gone wrong - -- the singer doesn't know the right spell to reach the other side, or even the right place to say it if he did, and the words only end up in the same drawer that the Supreme Being stores the socks that go missing when you do your laundry (one of each kind, only -- none matching). Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:24:11 PDT From: "Repent!, Inc." Subject: Re: inifinity guitar kimberley puts it in his mouth. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:29:45 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi everyone In a message dated 5/2/00 8:32:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, edward@mysticinsect.freeserve.co.uk writes: << The biggest thing I'd like to know is what people have thought about the releases since that time -- Moss Elixir, Jewels for Sophia, and Storefront Hitchcock.=20 (I have all three CD's, but have not seen the film, btw.) If this stuff has already been hashed out in ridiculous detail on the list, please e-mail me direct. (I'd love to=20 see some open discussion, though!) >> And don't forget "A Star for Bram!" Or maybe you don't even know about this one. It's a collection of outtakes from "Jewels for Sophia" and is only available via mail order from the Museum of Robyn Hitchcock (www.robynhitchcock.com). Anyway, there is not at all a concensus opinion about anything Robyn's done over the past several years. Many people see "Moss Elixir" as being a work of mature genius. For me, it's only a fair-to-middlin' album. While I *do* love some of the tracks (like "Speed of Things," "I Am Not Me," "Heliotrope," etc.), tracks like "Devil's Radio" and "Alright, Yeah!" bug the hell out of me. I believe there's a slight trend toward these same people who loved "Moss Elixir" thinking that "Jewels for Sophia" was a little dumb and too straightforward. Myself, I *love* "Jewels"! It's deifnitely in amongst my top 5 Robyn albums. I think it's got a great balance of material and I love the way it was both recorded and performed. As far as the outtake albums go, I could totally do without "Mossy Liquor," but I like "A Star for Bram" quite a bit. It almost stands as an album in its own right, IMO (save for the dub version of "Antwoman"). There are some really great songs on there, and it's recorded and played in the same ways as "Jewels," so of course I like it! :-) I feel pretty lukewarm about "Storefront." But that's probably because I have a decent number of shows that I like better than that one. But it *is* great t have a really nice recording of some of those songs! I recently used two tracks from it on a 2-CDR Robyn mix I was making for a friend, so I guess it's not all that bad. Despite my particular feelings about one album versus another, I'm generally really excited by what Robyn's done in his post-Egyptians years (so far). His songwriting is as good as ever, as are his performances. Go Robyn!! :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:39:27 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: inifinity guitar (and beyond!) In a message dated 5/3/00 10:55:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, overbury@cn.ca writes: << witching back and forth from E-bow to conventional playing is as easy as switching from beer to guitar -- stop, put the damned thing down (or pick it up) and change modes. Way way too limited. People do use them, so I can't say they're useless, but nobody should buy one untried. It looks like something you'd want to leave for the studio, where you've got time for fiddling about. >> Exactly! At which time, it's an excellent thing t have lying around. In a live setting, though, you'd want to have a two guitar band so that something else can be going on around your e-bowing (mis-?)adventures. Kimbo Rewbo knows how to use one!! :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:33:14 +0100 From: Jonathan Turner Subject: Kimberley & Andy in London, May 15th From the 12 Bar Club listings: Monday 15th May JULIAN DAWSON + KIMBERLEY REW + RICHARD KENNEDY £5 A double headline evening with Julian and Kimberley, who will be sharing no less a bassist than Andy Metcalfe. 12 Bar info at http://www.12barclub.com/main.htm Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:24:00 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: rew news Kimberley's playing at the 12 Bar Club, London on Monday 15th May, with his label-mate Julian Dawson. See you there jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:25:54 +1200 (NZST) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #112 >I had talked to someone on the list at one point about >constructing a so-called "infinity guitar" (one that is wired >to feed back in such a way as to have infinite sustain, and thus sound like >a sythesizer). > >Robert Fripp, Brian Eno, and the Edge have built such instruments, and I >would like to create a truely ambient guitar of my own. well, It weren't me, but ISTR that Fripp and Eno's infinite guitars were actually built bu Michael Brook, Canadian guitar whiz who has in recent years been working with various of the Asian artists on the Real World label (his album with the late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is exceptional). He once lamented that he had only built about four of themn, one of which "is owned by the great Brian Eno, who never uses the damn thing". Good luck with the project! oh, and as to whether Apple Venus vol 1 is worth it, the answer is YES, although Colin's tracks take a bit of getting used to. Andy's contributions are as good as ever, or possibly better in some casxes - Harvest Festival is a delight, and Green Man is one of my two or three favourite XTC songs ever (and impossible to get out of your head once you hear it). >Well, I'm no expert, but from what I've read this is accurate. Mines are >indeed sometimes dropped from aircraft, or even scattered in special >artillery shells, so of course they wind up on the surface of the ground. >Ground troops may also lay mines on the surface instead of burying them, >especially if they're in a hurry. Though it might seem stupid, they can >still be effective from a military point of view. A mine on the surface >can still be hard to see, especially to someone driving cross-country. And >even if the enemy can see and avoid mines, they'll have to avoid them by >going someplace else, or at least driving slowly, so surface mines can be >used to keep the enemy away from someplace you don't want them to go. it's also to be remembered that the terrain may make this method more viable.In dusty or - more to the point - sandy terrain, it's quite likely that the wind would at least partly bury some of the mines. Of course this method of mine deployment makes it far harder to find and remove them when peace returns...sigh. Welcome back to Edward of Oop Nerth! James nf - Israel - white with the two thin stripes and the Magen David in the centre, all in sky blue. Dark blue is also acceptable. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:10:07 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: reap Bob Homme, the Friendly Giant. Gnat and Randi know who I'm talking about. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Re: reap NOOOOO!!! Edward Gorey and now the Friendly Giant? Which figure from my childhood will be next?? How fondly I recall how he would pull up a tiny chair by the fire. n. On Wed, 3 May 2000 overbury@cn.ca wrote: > > Bob Homme, the Friendly Giant. > > Gnat and Randi know who I'm talking about. > -- > Ross Overbury > Montreal, Quebec, Canada > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Britpop night in DC, Sat. May 6 I thought some of you might possibly be interested in this event in Washington DC. The rest of this email consists solely of details about it, so hit delete now if you're not interested.... Medusa Promotions Presents: THE TUBE A new event featuring Britpop! Saturday May 6th, 2000 @ The Cage (ground level) 1811 14th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. The Cage is just a few doors down from The Black Cat [not to mention Mr. Yum's Chinese Carryout, home of the greasiest eggrolls in America! --CG] Spun by --> DJ Victoria --> DJ Vauxhall Ages 18+ 10 p.m. --> 3 a.m. $5 Now, what exact kind of "Britpop" are we talking here? I asked one of the DJs and she listed a few bands that she planned to play: Oasis, Travis, Pulp, Catherine Wheel, The Stone Roses, James, Rialto, The Jam, Radiohead, The Clash, Lloyd Cole & The Commotions, Blur, Belle & Sebastian, Manic Street Preachers, Suede, Morrissey, The Smiths, Elastica, The Divine Comedy, The House Of Love, Ocean Colour Scene.... She didn't specifically mention Robyn or the Soft Boys, but I'm sure they'll take requests! DISCLAIMER: These bands are NOT playing live. It's all RECORDED music played by DJs. Don't blame me if you go there hoping to finally meet the Gallagher brothers, only to have your hopes crushed. Hope to see some of you there! (Especially because that would mean I made it there myself, something I'm not sure of yet.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:13:58 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Griffin at the 12-bar Greetings to all, those of ye fegs in the big smoke may like to know Sid Griffin is doing an accoustic session in the 12-bar tonight. I reckon there's a good chance they'll be joined by a very tall (apparently even bigger in America!) guest (also appearing on their album) Anyway, if anyone goes, let us know! Cheers! Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:13:06 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #111 In a message dated 5/2/00 3:07:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << Speaking of apples, anyone heard the new Apples in Stereo? >> I just read this as my roommate was pulling me out of my chair to dance to Rainbow, off that very album. It's a great great song album, though not a great albumin entirety, like the Neutral Milk Hotel. But super catchy and happy, like the Archies all grown up. as long as you don't love sad songs (like that Departure Lounge reviewer,) you'll love it. dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:33:41 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Standup Hitchcock > i was sorta hoping he'd be delivering an actual stand-up routine. i fucking > DETEST stand-up comedians, but that's only 'cause they're all so godawful > stupid. i betcha robyn'd be good, though. hmm... "Ya ever notice how whenever you unscrew your head...an hour later there's a giant moth head there? What's up with that?" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #113 *******************************